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dumbledore has always questioned harry when it came to teaching, he asked him what he thought the mirror did before revealing its hidden power, if it was soley a teaching tool it would have been more like that, but it wasn't they were there for a mission, to retrieve the horcrux, he admited himself he did not know which one was there, and he has never lied to harry, he has avoided the truth but never lied to him.
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Once I rose above the noise and confusion Just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion I was soaring ever higher, but I flew too high... S.P.I.M.F.//I.N.V.A.I.D. FanFic-- Harry's Final Fight--Chapter 5
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You add another interesting point in this conversation, but makes you think that dd might not have made an exception at this point. think about it, if dd knew he was going to die that night, he didn't have time to question harry, otherwise he would be late for his own death. If you notice, the cave was only one chapter long, pretty short considering it was one of the most important things that happened in the series. don't you find that odd? My gosh dd was questioning draco longer than the time they spent in the cave.
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But still if DD knew he was going to die that night who did he expect was going to teach harry how to find and destroy the rest of the horcruxes. Im am really sorry hpalltheway i know im makeing this really diffacault im just confused by the gaps i am seeing here. And are you also saying that DD knew that draco was going to invade hogwarts that night? If so why would he be in the cave? Someone could have died that night a techer or a student! How could he let that happen?
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yes, dd new malfoy was going to invade the castle that night, snape would have told him, and there was absolutely nothing dd could do to stop it. remember in the beginning of the book snape made an unbreakable vow. this vow was to protect and help draco at all costs, well dd and snape were fighting later in the book, hagrid overheard this, is it possible that they were fighting because dd said that snape had to kill him, it was either snape or dd that was going to die that night. snape would have died because he didn't help draco. dd thought it was only fair to sacrifice himself. so when draco let the de in that was dracos cue to go after dd, but what did draco do? stalled which meant that draco wasn't so sure about what he was doing, so when snape came to the tower, and saw that draco didn't do it yet, well snape did it. now lv is more lax without dd around therefore making him an easier target. as for who was going to teach harry, well dd probably thought that he did all he could do and harry's friends could help him out. Hermoine is the brightest witch of her age, and ron is the best friend that would help harry out and support him in any way he could. dd went to the cave to give harry his last bit of advice for harry, teach all he could about horcruxes.
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Sorry, I hate to point this out to you guys, but you're straying from the topic at hand, which is who is RAB and possible scenarios, not what Dumbledore and Harry were doing that night. I know they're related, and maybe its my opinion, but the mods and other head aurors (prefects) certainly feel the same way (just go back and check in the last 8 versions , or you can go into my profile and look through my posts).
Perhaps you can continue it in the Last Night of Dumbledore thread.
So your saying DD would have sacrificed the lives of all the teachers and students?
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yes, dd new malfoy was going to invade the castle that night, snape would have told him, and there was absolutely nothing dd could do to stop it. remember in the beginning of the book snape made an unbreakable vow. this vow was to protect and help draco at all costs, well dd and snape were fighting later in the book, hagrid overheard this, is it possible that they were fighting because dd said that snape had to kill him, it was either snape or dd that was going to die that night. snape would have died because he didn't help draco. dd thought it was only fair to sacrifice himself. so when draco let the de in that was dracos cue to go after dd, but what did draco do? stalled which meant that draco wasn't so sure about what he was doing, so when snape came to the tower, and saw that draco didn't do it yet, well snape did it. now lv is more lax without dd around therefore making him an easier target.
I dont really understand how that has to do with DD takeing the horcrux. But anyway wouldnt DD want to be at the school while this happend and not in a cave hundreds of miles away? And you keep saying that harry dose not know enough to have helped in the cave. and then you say that it is his friends that are supposed to teach him the rest on finding horcruxes.. I dont understand.
sorry el barto i got carried away in conversation
This post has been edited by Snuffalupagous: Sep 6 2006, 06:03 AM
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Snuffalupagous, El barto was right, we have not even mentioned rab in the last 12 posts, we have strayed way oof topic and we need to move this conversation to the last night of dumbledore. i will see you there!
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Thanks hpalltheway for helping out! Don't worry about getting carried away though, Snuffalupagous, because it all came from a theory and you guys went with it
Its alright to mention things, theres no harm, but if you're not talking about the topic at all for a while, then it can get complicated when new members attempt to post something about it when there is a different coversation going on, among other things I hope there are no hard feelings!
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Ok but here are a few problems i have with dumbledore being rab,
why didnt he right dumbledore?
why is the handwriting different?
why did he write it as in I, and then sign it for two others?
you say that he went to the cave ealier and left the RAB note, well when do you feel that happened?
Also how did he know that was the night of the invasion, draco didnt even know it was until rosmerta told him dumbledore left?
ok a few questions wer a bit off topic, but they are all part of the theory of dumbledore being rab, so i hope that isnt a problem... thanks
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Once I rose above the noise and confusion Just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion I was soaring ever higher, but I flew too high... S.P.I.M.F.//I.N.V.A.I.D. FanFic-- Harry's Final Fight--Chapter 5
Ok but here are a few problems i have with dumbledore being rab,
why didnt he right dumbledore?
why is the handwriting different?
why did he write it as in I, and then sign it for two others?
As I have said before, DD probably writes in I but didn't sign it with only his own name, because that would be to easy for Voldemort to find out to take revenge. Instead, he went to the caves with two other persons, and wanted to give them some credits too... So signing it with RAB, he makes Voldemort believe only one person was there in the cave. As for he handwriting, he probably let one of those other guys writing the letter, telling them what to write...
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ok quidditchrules, your on the right track, but also couldn't dd have written i so that it only implies to dd, and therefore saving the other two from a death. Maybe lv, can't figure it out, but i think that hermoine can. and actually reading a bit further i completely agree with you, if only i haven't thought of that.
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As I have said before, DD probably writes in I but didn't sign it with only his own name, because that would be to easy for Voldemort to find out to take revenge
QuidditchRules, why would DD be so afraid of LV not to sign his own name? I was under the inpression that DD was not afraid of LV.
Well, I was wondering that myself when I wrote that piece... Only possible guess is that Voldemort probably already knew Dumbledore is the person who knew most of the horcruxes. But then again, why shouldn't he write down his own name then, if Voldemort knew Dumbledore is behind the horcuxes?? Answer is, I really don't know...
I'm glad to see things have calmed down a bit in here!
Things were getting pretty heated there for a while and I think we should all remember that this is supposed to be a discussion not an argument. All the theories that have been posted are possible and none of us know for sure who RAB is so we need to accept other peoples opinions even if we don't agree with them! Happy posting from now on!
Anyway, back to the topic, who or what is RAB? I think there's 2 possible options, one that it's 3 peoples names, R=Rubeus A=Albus and B=Bill? and two it's a code like Rubeus And Bill. Either way I think Dumbledore is the main contender for the note itself. I still believe the actual not which is written with 'I' was directed at LV. I think Voldemort must know that Dumbledore knows about the horcruxes and would automatically think it was him without looking at the signature RAB. I don't believe it matters whether it matches his handwriting as my handwriting continually changes too! That leaves RAB, which I think is directed to Harry. I don't want to go too far off the mark but Dumbledore took Harry to the cave to teach him the level of magic he faces and he wasn't bothered about the potion weakening him because he knew he was going to die very soon as he was aware of Malfoys progression. He maybe didn't realise it was that night but either way he knew it was inevitable as I believe the whole thing was set up by him and Snape and now I believe Hagrid may be in the plot too, thats where I get back to RAB. R=Hagrid, I'm not sure if Dumbledore would've told Hagrid everything but I do believe he has left something in his possession for Harry which will then lead Harry to B=Bill who may have the real locket stored at gringotts, therefore RAB stands for Rubeus And Bill. In this theory Dumbledore may have took one of the school elves to the cave with him or Hagrid, not sure on that one. In the case where RAB stands for Rubeus, Albus, Bill, I believe maybe all three went to the cave where Hagrid and Dumbledore went on the boat and got the locket because Hagrids magical power wouldn't register as much although I think Dumbledore may have drank the potion cause it seems as though he already knew the affect when he went with Harry. Bill would be waiting at the entrance to the cave so he could almost immediately take the locket to gringotts.
Sorry guys a very long post there but i think it pretty much sums up my own thoughts!
Who/What is R.A.B? - Thread 9, Please read first message before posting!!
Sep 6 2006, 05:10 AM
I know they're related, and maybe its my opinion, but the mods and other head aurors (prefects) certainly feel the same way (just go back and check in the last 8 versions 
, or you can go into my profile and look through my posts).
