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[justin]

To me, working together as a group will keep the unity and make things run more smoothly and without resentment or lack of trust.

you really think there will be things that they wont be able to decide on are ideas to come up with things that leaders take care of. people to give ideas to someone. as you remember when harry was suspecting malfoy after the katie-necklace incident. he wanted to tell DD because he felt more welcomed there and that DD would actually listen to him and value his opinion. people would be a little scared speaking up at the meetings.

also what about coming up with ideas. im pretty sure no one would have said "hey lupin why dont you go tail a murderous werewolf to try to get werewolves on the orders side." whos the person to come up with plans to go get the giants on our side? who knew all that stuff about giants? who knew to give them gifts? i dont think the order is smart enough to be without DD.

also you act like if somebody like Mundungus or Snape (if he was still in it) trys to put out an idea that everyone is going to ignore it because enough people dont like them.

and putting it up into a vote type of situation creates diversity and groups. you need to have a leader to have a final say on situations. something like sirius going with harry to the hearing. im sure no one thought it would be bad but DD came over that night and said that he couldnt go. they need someone to do that

[Insomnia]

The problem is that there is no one else as vastly knowledgeable and skilled as DD. The other members can't hold a candle to him individually. Together, however, they are strong. It's like the story about the father with several sons. He has a bundle of sticks and has each one try to break the bundle. None can. But when he divides them among his sons, they are able to work together by breaking their own stick. Together they are strong; but individually, they aren't.

So what I'm trying to get at is if they take one of the remaining members and put them in charge, alone he/she will not have the strength and knowledge that DD had to be able to run the Order as smoothly and intelligently as DD did. But together, they can rival DD in his brilliance (well, not exactly but you get the idea ) and strength to make proper decisions. I don't think there is a single person who can run the Order as efficiently as DD.

That's just my opinion, though. I agree that sometimes it is better to have one person in charge so there aren't any questions or arguments for control. I just don't think it would be the best decision in this particular scenario.

[missmugglebethany]

Knowing that DD was such a great mind, I think he'd be foolish to not let someone in on the plan. And i seriously think its Lupin. I've said this before but his little outburst in 6 was a telltale sign he know. And well I'm reading OotP right now to prepare and I just came across a small sentence that makes me wonder if Lupin knows Occulemncy or Legilims<- spelled wrong i know,I can never remember which is which but i think he can read minds.
On page Pg 50 of the American OotP says the following:

: a surprising numbe of people vounteered to come and get you," Said Lupin, as though he had read Harr's mind: the corners of his mouth twitched slightly

Now I started at the beginning of the series and I have laughed several times when i've read this type of statement knowing from reading the later books that that the person was really a mindreader. Harry says it several times about both Snape and DD. is this some forshadowing by JK?
Dont know. But theres definetly more to Lupin than JK has let on. And DD wouldnt setup an Order without someone there to pick up if he Dies. thats just not DD. What do you think?

[Insomnia]

Thanks Workaholic. By the way, I don't mind not having the numbers on the end. I'd have prefered it that way when I signed on here but it was already taken so I settled for the name with the numbers. (Just commenting from what you said on your fan fic feedback response )

Anyways, I'm not sure if Lupin's comment about several people volunteering to pick him up has anything to do with Leglimens (sp?). I think it has more to do with him being able to interpret the look of shock on Harry's face correctly with all those people looking up at him.

I agree that DD would have made some sort of arrangements in case of his death so that people aren't completely left without a paddle. That may come up in the form of his will, or some documents that someone stumbles across, or perhaps even a magical message that becomes active when DD dies. That being said, I think everyone in the Order alreadys knows DD's plans up to the point of his death. I can't see him not divulging things to the other members. Of course the exception is the info about the horcruxes. I also don't see him naming a successor to run the Order. That doesn't sound like something DD would do.

But I also agree, if someone is to take over the Order, Lupin would make the best candidate because of his love and compassion and his control over those emotions due to his experiences and age. DD says love is the strongest power out there. Yes, the other members show love, but they have things that might cloud their judgement like Mr. and Mrs. Weasley with their kids. Moody doesn't seem like the loving kind to me. Still, I like the idea of them working together the most.

[bookworm101]

I also love the idea of all of them working together too! That would be the best idea, to me. Ewww! (sorry, I'm watching How to Eat Fried Worms. I'm forced too). Anyway, Lupin would be a good idea, but don't you think he already has a lot to deal with? You know, every month he's going to be exuasted (excuse the spelling) from all the werewolf stuff. And doesn't he have to work underground with all the other werewolves? But other than that, he'd be perfect.

And I really don't think he can read minds, no offense!

RaChEl

[missmugglebethany]

lilyluvr, No offense, thats what these forums are here for, to discuss theory. The Lupin thing just caught my eye. I personally think he can read mind. But i would be interested in hearing why you think he's not. After all that is why we're here.

[bookworm101]

missmugglebethany, I'm not saying anything against you at all. That is a good theory, and I do think he might know Occulemncy and Leglismency (sorry, no idea how to spell that). Now, looking back, I realize what you meant by "able to read minds". I thought you meant literally, he could read their thoughts by just looking at them or something. Like, not Occulmency, but real, actual...oh, its hard to explain. But it was my bad, so I apologize.

Rachel

[missmugglebethany]

no need to apolgize at all. I just like to hear others thoughts and well sometimes its hard to type what your trying to mean, so that was my fault too! but alls well. And wnen i said No offense, i meant none taken on my side.
Anyway, back on subject(sorry) I really think theres a possibilty of Lupin being able to read minds like DD and snape can. So i guess will see.

[padfootx3]

I agree I think he can do legimency (excuse my spelling) because he always seems to know exactly what others are thinking. Like in PoA when Lupin offers Harry butterbeers he says, Surely, you have had this, but when Harry says he has Lupin gets suspicious. I mean, he might have suspected it because of the invisibility cloak, but i don't know. He just sees wise like that. I do believe he can read minds.

[After the Burial]

For my part, I do not think that Lupin is a legilimens. JK has never included a scene where Lupin looked at Harry or anyone using a penetrating gaze. Whenever we have seen Dumbledore or Snape use legilimency, they use eye contact. This has not been so of Lupin.

Growing up as a werewolf, I think Lupin would be an astute observer of human behaviour. I think he knew James's facial expressions (and thus Harry's) well enough to judge his emotions and some of his thoughts. Lupin did say that Harry and James were more alike than Harry could ever imagine. I think he was referring to the said expressions, mannerisms and behaviour.

[workaholic_1231]

THough I like the idea of Lupin being able to use Legillimens, I too don't think he does. I fully agree that he has the capabilities of using it if he learned and tried, however like After the Burial said, we haven't seen any proof.

Hope no one minds an extra question to toss around.

Out of all of the Order members, who do you think will surprise us with some sort of power we were not aware they had? What power is it that you think they'd have?

Hope that's not too off the wall. Also, a whoo hoo for MOOOP for reaching 1030 posts!! Yay!

[Cobra]

I was away for a while but now I'm back!!!!!!

Out of all of the Order members, who do you think will surprise us with some sort of power we were not aware they had? What power is it that you think they'd have?
Well, I am not sure if it is a surprise to you or me, but I think Kingsley and Lupin will have powers we have not seen yet. No specific powers but they will have amazing talent. Lupin when another loved one, I htink will be Tonks, which will suck, dies. He will take his wrath out on the DE who killed her which i think will be Greyback. As for Kingsley he will just be really strong.

[alohomora]

Hi! I'm back, for those of you who remember me..
Out of all of the Order members, who do you think will surprise us with some sort of power we were not aware they had? What power is it that you think they'd have?
Well... Umm... Maybe Lupin? We haven't really seen him do a lot of magic. What about Tonks? She can do a patronus, which is advanced magic, she is also a metamorphugus and an auror. Well, never mind... She seems to have pretty good powers.

[zonkos_employee]

Yeah, I'm hoping for Tonks to show us something that will amaze us. It's only her... what... first year as an auror? That's pretty good for a youngster... so it would be nice to see more of what she can do.

[Drinotonks]

ah yes alohomora I'm with you..."for those of you who remember me" I've been so stuck on tafe work for the last month now I'm finally free for two weeks woo hoo, but still busy so I'll get on with the current question...

Out of all of the Order members, who do you think will surprise us with some sort of power we were not aware they had? What power is it that you think they'd have?
I agree with zonkos_employee in terms of Tonks but I always say this, she's often credited as the young, fun order member who is often perceived as the clutz, the one who's not so smart and the fact that she's an auror is often overlooked, this job alone does not give her the recognition she deserves as we know it is among the hardest proffessions to get into in terms of intelligence, so yes some evidence of this knowledge, whilst being able to stay true to who she is would be great.

I think Lupin has more in him, there's alot he knows that he deosnt share I think, a dark horse, he's never needed or had the cahnce to shine ie with friends like James and Sirius and then working of DD, so who knows now he might step it up a bit so to speak.

oo and I just re-read posts and Cobra I would love to see what Kingsley could do he's such a strong figure imagine the magic he could produce!

EDIT: And I've been thinking this for a while, JK has a big influence in the making of the movies as we all know, and has anyone else noticed the huge importance Tonks has been given over all of the other new order members? she appears on every poster, in every book, in every sticker book, I've recently purchased everything I can find to date and she's on or in all of them...thus she mst be important in things to come?