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Only one couple was still battling, apparently unaware of the new arrival. Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix's jet of red light: He was laughing at her. \"Come on, you can do better than that!\" he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.
The second jet of light hit him squarely in his chest
The laughter had not quite died form his face, but his eyes widened in shock.
Harry released Neville, though he was unaware of doing so. He was jumping down the steps again, pulling out his wand, as Dumbledore turned to the dais too.
It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch...
And Harry saw the look of mingled fear and surprise on his godfather's wasted, once-handsome face as he fell through the ancient doorway and disappeared behind the veil, which fluttered for a moment as though in a high wind and then fell back into place.
This awful, awful, awful, purely awful quote from the book (which yes, I typed up *sigh*) gives us at least two years to contemplate the fate of Sirius. The quotes "as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch" and "as he fell through the ancient doorway and disappeared behind the veil, which fluttered for a moment as though in a high wind and then fell back into place" will leave Harry Potter fans guessing as to what is behind the veil, and what Sirius' fate is for quite some time.
What is behind the veil, and what will happen to Sirius? Although it's for J.K. Rowling to decide, it's our job to guess!
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Well I'm going to be predictable and say that I think he's still alive. However I don't think he'll be coming back. I also think that the mirror he gave Harry is connected to it in some way.
But I also had another thought. What if JKR only made Sirius fall through to make Harry really mad? If it had been Ron or Hermione it would have shocked him but Sirius was sort of like a substitute father for him so it would be like losing his father again but actually being able to feel the pain and hatred to all things evil. So I think in book 6 we will see more of Harry trying to become more powerful and to learn to put his anger into spells like Avada Kedavra but not those exact ones. Anyway I'll stop now before my head explodes with all this thinking.
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Uh-oh.....I sense some heinously dumb plot arising........what if this is going to be like Star Wars? (Not that I think the Star Wars plot is dumb) "Don't fall to the dark side Harry......" That would so fit right in with Triad's theory.
It's really hard to keep from doing confusing and weird plots when everyone likes your work. I've tried it, and something dumb and over-plotted comes up. That's what I felt coming from her while I was reading the fifth book. To me, it wasn't even Harry Potter anymore. It was like she was making stuff up so that she could get the book out on time. I was really let-down.
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While some may have thought that the fifth book did not live up to the standard set by the previous four, I loved every second of it (minus page 805)
I think that critics everywhere were way too harsh when rating it, because they wanted to be different, and they wanted to say that Harry Potter was bad...but it ended up so that they were all alike saying that "Rowling has lost her touch," "the story lacks meaning," etc.
Rowling's writing style is bound to change as she progresses with her books. Not only does she gain more writing experience, but the plot line will be no where near as light as Sorcerer's Stone; the books are obviously getting darker. And getting darker means a change in writing style.
I have no clue what happened to Sirius, or what really is behind the veil. Too many people think that Harry can just walk behind the veil, and go "Hey, Sirius, Mom, and Dad! Long time no see!" But Rowling doesn't tend to do things that are expected...
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I don't think that people would expect Harry to see his parents behind there since they didn't fall through. As for book 5, I started reading it again a couple months ago and still haven't finished because it's kind of boring. It's mainly Harry feeling victimised and angry. It's really annoying. Sure her writings going to change but did it have to change that much? I agree with Mahwish that she just threw things in to finish the book.
Surely if siruis was meant to come back somehow through the veil then JKR would not of been so upset by killing off a character. Plus there is the chance of him being able to talk through the mirror but again why would JKR be so upset.
However Harry heard whispering so maybe these people went through the veil alive and are therefore alive on the other side. The mirror that went in with sirius could be a communication link?
So therefore sirius went in the veil dead, so is dead on the other side of the veil and will never speak to anyone again, hench JKR emotion when casting off the character.
Hey guys i was reading this topic then it remided me that in a chat Q and A one of the things she said was that siruis's death is really important for the next 2 books so that could mean where it happened the vail harrys anger about it anything revolving siruis death
That sounds cool. But I really want him to come back but if she said that then there's no hope. Poor Sirius, what will Harry do without you. I know the answer to that. He's going to work hard, become better than Hermione and kick Voldy's pale rear end.
Me and my friends were talking about this... As far as we know, Bellatrix used a stunning spell on Sirius, not avada kedavra.... so my thought is that sirius is alive behind the veil, and stuck there....?
[quote]Me and my friends were talking about this... As far as we know, Bellatrix used a stunning spell on Sirius, not avada kedavra.... so my thought is that sirius is alive behind the veil, and stuck there....?[/quote]
I think this could be right.He can not be death he just felt behing the veil..
I don't think that people would expect Harry to see his parents behind there since they didn't fall through. As for book 5, I started reading it again a couple months ago and still haven't finished because it's kind of boring. It's mainly Harry feeling victimised and angry. It's really annoying. Sure her writings going to change but did it have to change that much? I agree with Mahwish that she just threw things in to finish the book.
[color=violet][/color] And you call yourself a fan? Read deep and see beyond the surface. Is it really Harry feeling those angry, victimized feelings or are they those of You-Know-Who? JKR's writing has so much depth that there is always a story inside the story. Enjoy each book for the special qualities and secrets that it reveals.
As for Sirius, He is undeniably dead. However, we have already seen ways of the dead communicating with the living. Look for Sirius to still provide Harry with guidance.
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I don't think that people would expect Harry to see his parents behind there since they didn't fall through. As for book 5, I started reading it again a couple months ago and still haven't finished because it's kind of boring. It's mainly Harry feeling victimised and angry. It's really annoying. Sure her writings going to change but did it have to change that much? I agree with Mahwish that she just threw things in to finish the book.
[color=violet][/color] And you call yourself a fan? Read deep and see beyond the surface. Is it really Harry feeling those angry, victimized feelings or are they those of You-Know-Who? JKR's writing has so much depth that there is always a story inside the story. Enjoy each book for the special qualities and secrets that it reveals.
As for Sirius, He is undeniably dead. However, we have already seen ways of the dead communicating with the living. Look for Sirius to still provide Harry with guidance.
Being a fan doesn't mean that you have to enjoy every single word of the book.
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Right now, I think it is IMPOSSIBLE to even fathom what JKR is telling us about the Veil. I remember reading it the first time and going 'WHAT THE?', and still after rereading it many times I'm still so lost.
What I can gather from the other characters' reactions, they all think Sirius is dead. When Lupin held Harry back, telling him it was too late, telling him Sirius was gone... It seems like that has to be the truth.
Whether JKR is trying to get the point across by having the others tell Harry Sirius is DEAD and there's nothing he can do or if she's just trying to lull us into this belief that he is, I don't know. It seems too easy for her to tell us he's dead, but it doesn't seem probable that he could be alive.
What we CAN get from Sirius seem to be death is that it will effect Harry tremendously! I think his godfather's death will keep him going, but I'm sure we'll run into some sort of connection or communication to Sirius.
THE question: What was Sirius' fate?
Apr 2 2004, 11:07 PM
