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[crookshanks04]

well hello everyone!!! as much as i am a harry potter fanatic i also have a spot for star wars and yes i admit i am a bit of a star wars nerd, so on to the point...

i now have permision to open a star wars thread so i would like to invite you to discusse anything you would like about the star wars movies!

and to start the thread off i have a question that i hope someone can help me with...has anyone else noticed that in star wars IV a new hope when obi-wan cuts that creature in the bars arm off it bleeds! that is what doesnt make sense to me i thought that you didnt bleed from a light saber wound.

in star wars III revenge of the sith when anakin and obi-wan were rescuing the cahncellor count duku asks anakin and obi-wan to use their swords (light sabers) so they dont make a mess in front of the chancellor.

also in III when obi wan fights general grevius he uses a blaster and comments on how un civilized it is.

so was it just a mistake or did they decide to change it later when they made more movies. but i have the old movies remastered also and they didnt change it so i dont think it was a mistake because i think they would have changed it... why is this happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Padfoot, Prongs and Moony]

Sorry I can't answer your question because I only saw Star Wars III Avenge of the Sith... but doesn't skywalker (I'm so sorry if that's wrong) or Darth Vader bleed when he was bured? I don't mean like blood everywhere, but his skin had blood on it... Me and my mom were planning on watching all of the Star Wars series in order since they made 4,5, and 6 first then 1,2, and 3.... So either someone else can answer that or I'll answer it when I watch all the movies in order (I would only have 3 days to do that!!)... I should be watching them soon!!

[deatheater13]

I never noticed that. I have seen the movies dozens of times but I guess I never really paid much atention to the guy in the bar. I remember that in episode III (I think) Obi-Wan got cut with a lightsaber, just a little slice on his leg, but it was bleeding. But in episode I, when Qiu-Gon was killed, he didn't bleed at all. Ahh! I'm just confusing myself. Maybe fatal wounds don't bleed, but more minor ones do. I don't know. I'll think about this one and maybe I'll come up with something.

[monkeymushroom]

Anakin Skywalker was burned not done in by a lightsaber and so he has full permission to bleed (funny how we have to give them all permission to bleed eh ). What i've noticed is that in episode IV: a new hope, Obi Wan Kenobi was killed by Darth Vader (aka Anakin Skywalker) and he just disintigrated, or disappeared. I don't get that. How come all jedis are supposed to still be there when they die when one of them doesn't. Perhaps he found a way to the spirit world i'm not sure.

Anyway, doesn't anyone feel they should do remakes of the 4th 5th and 6th movies? i mean the effects are soo outdated and parts of the story don't even make sense. They need to develop the storyline a bit. I'm watching the original movies with my dad at the moment and they just don't tie in with the new prequals; they need new actors, new characters, new technology (when i say new technology i mean the same stuff they used recently) and an extended view of what the outcome is so that everyone can go 'oooh' or 'oh my god i can't believe that happened!'. You know stuff like the bounty hunter in the V and VI movie - i always thought that this bounty hunter was the son of the one in episode II; stuff like that should be taken into consideration. And the fact that the baddies all have star trek suits don't inpress me one bit, when episodes 1, 2 and 3 were all set in contempory.
They need plenty more action in these movies and i just can't enjoy watching them when i just know both trilgies don't flow with one another.

[etphonehome]

Anyway, doesn't anyone feel they should do remakes of the 4th 5th and 6th movies?

I think the charm of the first 3 movies made is in fact their outdatedness (?). For those of us who were there the first time around, when they originally came out in the 70's, they are kind of iconic.

You say Princess Leah (sp) and you think CArrie Fisher, it's the same with the rest of the original cast....

Harrison Ford was Han Solo

Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker and always will be.

You try to recast and remake these movies now, I think some of the stalwart, hardcore Star Wars fans will not be happy, especially if they were there in the 70's

[Ygraine]

Crookshanks, you're right, you don't bleed from a lightsaber wound, the lasers burns the viens shut so you don't bleed. (or something like that.) It's a continuity error is all. Star wars is full of them! It's the fandom with the largest, i think Buffy's the next one down IMO at least. There's a phrase that i've heard when you know some one's lying to you; 'You've got more continuity errors than star wars!' It's infamous for it.

To name a few.

- In the original triolgy the jedi vanish, in the new ones they don't (monkeymushroom pointed this out.)

- In Jedi Leia remembers her mother, but in sith Padmes dies about a minute after she's born.

- Obi-wan says 'Darth Vader betrayed and murdered your father.' If in the original plan Vader was to be Luke's dad destroyed would be a better choice of wording. (they use it enough in the latter films.)

- Obi-wan calls Vader Darth as if it's an actual name. IN the new ones we learn it's a tiltle like 'Lord.'

- Obi-wan says Yoda teaches him, in menance we learn that Qui-Gon did. (however they try fix this as Yoda teaches the younglings and one could say that Obi-wan was in this group as a child, however i doubt he would be old enough to be reckless, impatience etc that he says he is.)

- In Jedi (novelisation) there are sooo many errors about the relationship between Vader and his wife. A name nor occupation is ever mentioned. but Obi-wan says things like; 'When your father left, he never knew that your mother was pregnant.' In Sith the reason he falls is because he's trying to save Padme from dying in childbirth. and 'I took you to live with my brother owen.' In clones we learn that owen is Anakin's half brother, not Obi-wans. '...while your mother took leia to live as a princess on Alderaan.' Padme dies immediatley after the twins' birth.

-In hope obi-wan says that Owen didn't like the idea of Anakin going off to be a Jedi and should have stayed at home and farmed. There are sp many errors here I don't know where to start. A. Anakin and Owen met once and for like, ten minutes (movie time at least) and in the original plan for Hope, wasn't Owen Obi_wan's brother. What's with that?

Er, sorry. I've watched them all too many times. I discuss things like this all the time with friends. I'm truely sad!

And, no, I'm sorry. If they remake the originals i might die. I love them, like elaine said, they're whole charm now aways is that they're outdated, the swordplay's poopy etc..

[crookshanks04]

wow thanks for clearing that up Ygraine that was pretty much what i was thinking but i was not sure!! and i am also a pretty big starwars nerd so i have noticed those other things oh and dont feel to bad my friends and i also sit around and dicuss star wars (and HP of course)!


as for monkeymushroom i agree with Ygraine they could never remake the first three they just mean so much they are the origionals and even tho they are older they are way better than the new three!! the actors are better and the space creatures are better and the characters themselves were better!!!!!!!

you know i really love star wars but the one thing i have to say that i hate is the age difference between anakin and padmae. i think they could have done better than that!! it is just to wierd.

[monkeymushroom]

I'm sorry guys if what i suggested about the remakes had offended anyone, but its just like, its really frustrating how everything is still a bit out-of-sinc and wouldn't anyone feel much better about the movies if you could watch them all without getting confused, and feel really euphoric about how all the twists and turns make you remenicience about the very beginning. I wonder if, without changing the cast, movie makers could come up with a way of updating the software so that they could put all the new graphics into the original trilogy just to heighten the quality a bit - what do you guys think?
Its not just about the quality of the effects, either, its about the quality of the storyline. When you watch the original trilogy you begin to sense there isn't much awe about the storyline anymore and each film is only about 2 hours long or less. It would be nice if they redid it but with more general scope to the characters and so we can go more indepth about the entire two trilogies.

[SpinJam]

Ygraine,

I never realized how many inconsistencies there are in Star Wars! Ohmigosh. I don't think I can watch it again. At least with HP we have a beginning and now unfortunately an end, and it's mostly consistent. I guess that's what happens when you start with the middle trilogy, and work your way backwards.

[crookshanks04]

well yes i have to say it would be nice itf it was a bit more consistant and it would be really cool if they could come up with a way to fix the grafics and stuff without changing the movies (well the actors and stuff)! the new movies are really coll because all the cool grafic and scense and costumes and stuff and the old movies have some really cool creatures and scense that would be really awsome if they were redone its just that the oldness in the old movies is kind of what makes them so great! i mean if the new three didnt exist to compare them against i guesss it would be easier to see what they are really worth. i just dont think that they could get much better!!!

[monkeymushroom]

Nah, i still think that the original trilogy needs to be improved, majorly. Perhaps this might get the next generation into the whole lot. Ive got to say i prefer watching episode three because its got loads of action and it looks really believable. It would be nice to sort of relive the magic a little bit by take the older trilogies and updating them.

[deatheater13]

I think that re-doing the original trilogy would make it loose all of the magic it has. I mean, I know it seems corny and fake now, but when it first came out people were amazed. Before that special effects were non-existent. When George Lucas found a way to make everything seem more realistic than older movies, where ships "flew" on popsicle sticks and they only flew in a straight line. In Star Wars, the ships could dip and turn and looked like they were really in space.

Even though there are a lot of gaps in the plot in the trilogy, I think that re-doing them would just take away the charm that everyone loves. Plus, can you imagine how much hate mail George Lucas would get?

[monkeymushroom]

Yeah, you're probably right. I don't think my mind was seeing sense...although it might be nice if the storyline was clearer - but i watched the sixth movie earlier on tonight and i thought to myself *this has got to be my favourite movie out of the original three...its got a fantastic layout and the look is acceptional...i feel the same way about the third movie in our recent trilogy* (it must be something about the no. 3 which is giving me this pattern of feelings), but anyway i'm more impressed now with the way it progressed throught the series. The first movie (A new hope) maybe wasn't as good with the impact as the following two and that was what maybe made me *think* that they needed to be updated.

I habe to say---don't you guys just love the Ewoks? They're so cute and cuddly - like Stitch off of Lilo & Stitch, and my cat felix (a black and white fluffy Angora)

[crookshanks04]

well i have to say that my favorite old movie is IV a new hope and from the new ones I like the fantom menace. i like those ones because i think that they have some of the coolest aliens/creatures and it also has the best planets!

but i do have to agree with monkeymushroom the ewoks are awsome!!!!! they have a pretty boring planet though its a lot like earth really!

[monkeymushroom]

well i have to say that my favorite old movie is IV a new hope and from the new ones I like the fantom menace. i like those ones because i think that they have some of the coolest aliens/creatures and it also has the best planets!

Isn't it fuuny how you like the two movies which are no.1 in each trilogy and i like the ones which are no.3 in each trilogy. There must be some sort of pattern going on here. It seems as if the first movies are always the low key ones and the last movies are always the more action packed ones; i think its they way they progress.