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Well gee, this thread seems so lonely, and the world could always do with some good H/G venom, so I'll just get the ball rolling I suppose.
First of all, before I get to H/G stuff, I wanted to get to a supposed "comparison" b/t H/G and Arthur/Gueneviere that was offered as "evidence" that they "belong together". I find it amusing how one could say H/G (or any couple) are like Arthur/Gueneviere like it's a good thing, when really they are far from an ideal couple! Arthur only marries Guen in the first place b/c she has a large dowry (there's one contrast to H/G--in HP Harry's the one with all the money!), with not much choice in the matter for Guen, then there's the fact that they endure childlessness their whole marriage, when Arthur has slept with his half-sister and had a child by her (gee, considering that Hermione is ostensibly a "sister" to Harry, does that mean that Harry will have a relationship with her, to keep the A/G=H/G parallel going? ), which didn't go over well with barren Guen, and then there's the fact that from the very beginning Gueneviere loved Lancelot, and ends up finally having an illicit affair with him that tears the kingdom apart, with her bad marriage to Arthur ending at last as Lancelot saves her from the flames and runs off with her, where she's never seen again. So in short, with A/G we have a miserable, childless relationship ending in adultery and the wife leaving the husband with another man--boy, what a great relaitonship! Honestly, A/G was a terrible, extremely unlucky relationship, and if H/G are supposed to be like them, then it's a sign that they're not going to last or that their relationship will be awful (or childless), not that H/G belong to each other!
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as we know now from the Epilogue of Cheese in DH, they at least stay married for about 12-15 years (how old is James?), and have 3 kids, so clearly H/G isn't anything like A/G at all (except that both couples marry and have a woman named Gueneviere involved), and it's a silyl and inaccurate comparison to make!
Anyway, so in HBP we left off with the shallow, lust-and-hero-worship-only kind of relationship b/t Harry and Ginny, in which at most they "like" each other, and this "relationship" was hastily and sloppily developed and brought about in an entirely unconvincing matter using a handy chest monster (aka PURE LUST not love!), and then they go out for about 3 weeks, out of which we see about 1 or 2 scenes only, and only one kiss. Then Harry breaks up with Ginny "for her own good" and Ginny nearly burns Harry with her fierce, "blazing" looks!
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STILL barely have any development of their relaitonship, though at one point it actually looks like Ginny is offering up herself to Harry as a birthday present (maybe she saw Buffy and thought sex is what you're supposed to give on your love interest's 17th birthday...), whcih in itself is rather disturbing and strange in an HP book. The H/G moments were of course nauseously cheesy throughout the book (though thank goodness she is barely in it!), culminating in his last thoughts before death being her lips on his--COME ON! He's about to die and all he can think about is the lust of his life, Ginny? How about his best friends, Ron and Hermione, who have stuck with him the whole year (well Ron not quite the whole year), not to mention all the years before then, etc? It's just so silly and badly done, not to mention beyond cheesy--especially that he is thinking about snogging Ginny before he dies, not even just seeing her (like Snape, who just wants to see her eyes)--though even seeing her would be cheesy. In short, there was still not much in DH in that convinced me of H/G--yes, JK SAID that Harry wanted her and such, TOLD me so, but didn't really SHOW why or how it had happened. And I'm still not seeing how Ginny is at all like Lily, given the little more we now know and have seen about her....
The only saving grace was the JK didn't go all the cheesy way by having Harry's so-called "love" for Ginny be what gave him the strength to defeat Voldemort once and for all! That would have been truly barf-worthy!
Anyway, what were other people's reactions to H/G in DH?
In any case, H/G remains by far the worst, cheesiest ship of the series!
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Is it just me or did anyone else with the Scholastic version of the book notice the similarities between Ginny and Lily in the chapter illustrations?!
Honestly, when I got to the chapter where Harry goes into the forest to face Voldemort and give himself up, I saw the picture before reading it and thought 'What is a pearly white Ginny doing in the forest? Is this where we get a true love confession or something?'
And then I found out it was Lily, not Ginny. Which really got me mad, because if you compare the chapter illustration to that of "Dumbledore's Will", the two look almost identical. Since when was Harry so shallow that he fell for girls that look like his mom, and since when did mirroring his parents produce the ideal relationship when J. K. Rowling emphasizes the motif of choice and how our choices are what define us, not our past, as ourselves. Clearly, then, Harry is quite shallow in his choice of Ginny, and he has one big Oedipus complex to boot.
Disappointing Harry, disappointing....
On the bright side, there was hardly any interaction between them in the book!
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"We need to know what it's r-really like... facing him... facing V-Voldemort." It was the first time she had ever said Voldemort's name, and it was this, more than anything else, that calmed Harry." ・And this is why I support Harry and Hermione!
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I have no reason not to like this ship. However, I do not like this ship one bit. I think it was a little silly that James married a red-haired girl with a fiery temper that he had met in school, and then, what a surprise, Harry married a red-haired girl with a fiery temper that he met in school. Silly, silly parallel. Not to mention Harry was Ginny's fifty-something-th boyfriend. Why did she go out with all those guys anyway? Was she trying to make Harry jealous or something?
Oh well, I guess I have to accept it, it has been written by the great JKR. Still ... there's still time for a divorce
Interesting what you said about the Arthur/Guineviere parallel, sherrilina. I think I understood. Possibly.
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STILL barely have any development of their relaitonship, though at one point it actually looks like Ginny is offering up herself to Harry as a birthday present (maybe she saw Buffy and thought sex is what you're supposed to give on your love interest's 17th birthday...), whcih in itself is rather disturbing and strange in an HP book. The H/G moments were of course nauseously cheesy throughout the book (though thank goodness she is barely in it!), culminating in his last thoughts before death being her lips on his--COME ON! He's about to die and all he can think about is the lust of his life, Ginny? How about his best friends, Ron and Hermione, who have stuck with him the whole year (well Ron not quite the whole year), not to mention all the years before then, etc? It's just so silly and badly done, not to mention beyond cheesy--especially that he is thinking about snogging Ginny before he dies, not even just seeing her (like Snape, who just wants to see her eyes)--though even seeing her would be cheesy. In short, there was still not much in DH in that convinced me of H/G--yes, JK SAID that Harry wanted her and such, TOLD me so, but didn't really SHOW why or how it had happened. And I'm still not seeing how Ginny is at all like Lily, given the little more we now know and have seen about her....
The only saving grace was the JK didn't go all the cheesy way by having Harry's so-called "love" for Ginny be what gave him the strength to defeat Voldemort once and for all! That would have been truly barf-worthy!
Anyway, what were other people's reactions to H/G in DH?
In any case, H/G remains by far the worst, cheesiest ship of the series!
As usual, I agree 100% with what you said in this post sherrilina!
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I am totally disgusted with the scene where Ginny offers herself as a birthday gift to Harry. I know that the Weasleys are poor, but geeze, this takes the cake. Besides, IMO, I have no doubt that what she is offering has been given once or twice before! Yeah, I know, I'm bad!! What was Rowling thinking?! I am amazed that we haven't had any backlash for this scene from mothers reading the stories to their children, and women in general!
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Again, I have no problems with this ship but (as Abraxas says) I don't like it one bit either. And I also agree with you, Harry marring his mother is what it is like! Since Ginny looks and acts like his mother but is like his father also, going out with 'fifty-something' boyfriends. Can't we conclude that James went out with a lot of women when he went to school? And that Lily probably didn't go out with that many and how Harry didn't either. I dunno, I think that Harry just wants to marry the parents he never knew, in that case, extremely lame.
I still find the similarities in the chapter illustrations for Deathly Hallows to be rather unnerving in how much Lily and Ginny look alike. Actually, how much they look to be exact copies of one another. Just creeps me out, especially when we really have no basis for a Harry and Ginny relationship other than it mirrors his parents - despite what J. K. Rowling says. If she wanted Ginny to be Harry's ideal girl like she said in her interview, she should have shown us, not merely told us. Disappointing.... Simply disappointing....
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"We need to know what it's r-really like... facing him... facing V-Voldemort." It was the first time she had ever said Voldemort's name, and it was this, more than anything else, that calmed Harry." ・And this is why I support Harry and Hermione!
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dear, dear.*shakes head*you know H/G kinda ruined DH in a way.well for me anyway.their relationship sucked.i was really hoping that Jo could fix Harry's girlfriend situation by him getting a new one.when Ginny took him into her room and said that she wanted to give Harry something to 'really remember' her by, i was disgusted.without ever having proper communication with each other throughout their 3 week relationship, and not even speaking at least one whole sentence to each other since Harry first arrived at The Burrow, Ginny's first move is to shove her tongue down his throat and to give herself to him.until Ron intervened of course, and too right!he doesn't want his baby sister doing things like that ever, let alone when she wasn't even going with Harry at the time anyway.i would have been able to put up with H/G if it had only been that once in HBP, and the moments where Jo tried to express their 'love' would have been very sweet, if only they were convincing just a little bit.but they weren't.it's just too easy, everything to do with H/G is just unrealistic, and is the reason why i was so disappointed with DH.there are no proper foundations to the whole H/G 'love' story, and although i'm english and haven't seen the US illustration of Lily, James etc, it's still horrible to think that Ginny is Lily.Lily is smart, sophisticated, beautiful, talented, skillful, and has auburn hair.Ginny is, as far as we know, an average student, talented on the quidditch pitch-which is hereditary, is pretty, is covered in freckles, and has bright ginger hair.Lily only ever has a fiery temper when she sees people bullying, and making unprovoked attacks.Ginny has a fiery temper.that's it.she hexes when annoyed, when she could just walk away instead.if you ask me Ginny comes off as an arrogant, superficial, childish, less than average, takes advantage, nymphet and something else which i'm not allowed to post, kind of person.and all she and Harry ever did was snog themselves senseless in the 'more secluded corners' of Hogwarts.Harry should have ended up with someone who could not only sympathize with him but empathize, someone who maybe could have kept him guessing, instead of being so shallow that it could take a dazed chimp butt to figure out within a minute or two, someone who wouldn't leave 'history repeating itself', which is something that so is NOT happening!too much to say, so little time.i have to sort out my chores and stuff now so i can't write anymore.bye bye and i'll probably be back later knowing me. BeckyN
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I've been meaning to ask, "Where was the Super!Ginny we were told we would see in the final book?" "You know, the one with such great powers?" We saw nothing of the the sort. Just Ginny doing what everyone else was doing. Nothing different. Nothing outstanding. Bellatrix came close to over powering and snuffing out Ginny! But then enters Super!Molly in the knick of time! And saves Ginny's rumpus. Good ole "LEAVE MY DAUGHTER ALONE" ALL CAPS MUM!
And this is Harry's "equal" and "ideal"? Yeah, right!!!
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I've been meaning to ask, "Where was the Super!Ginny we were told we would see in the final book?" "You know, the one with such great powers?"
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I totally agree I mean seriously... the only reason she wsnt killed by bellatrix is because she jumped out of the way and mommy saved her. what is so great about that and what "power" does that involve?
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And this is Harry's "equal" and "ideal"? Yeah, right!!!
I couldnt have said it better... just because she can do a bat bogey hex doesnt mean she could survive an encounter with LV... in fact the only time she did come in contact with him Harry had to save her. There are so many other people who have proven themselves to be just as talented, if not more talented, witches. I'm just glad that we barely saw any of the two of them (thank god she didnt join the trio in the search... I probably wouldnt have been able to deal with it)
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I've been meaning to ask, "Where was the Super!Ginny we were told we would see in the final book?" "You know, the one with such great powers?" We saw nothing of the the sort. Just Ginny doing what everyone else was doing. Nothing different. Nothing outstanding. Bellatrix came close to over powering and snuffing out Ginny! But then enters Super!Molly in the knick of time! And saves Ginny's rumpus. Good ole "LEAVE MY DAUGHTER ALONE" ALL CAPS MUM!
And this is Harry's "equal" and "ideal"? Yeah, right!!!
Actually you give Ginny more credit than she deserves here:
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She doesn't even do what everyone else is doing, but LESS--when everyone else runs off to fight, Harry wants her to stay behind in a special room, protected and away from the action. We see her give one well-aimed jinx, and hear she tries to steal the sword along with Neville and Luna--and that's it, her whole contribution to the book (besides being Harry's reward for the end of his journey)--she basically spent the whole book waiting around for her hero to come home from battle, and fill her with babies! Who she doesn't even get a share in naming! Honestly, Ginny is far from an equal in this book, and once more we don't really see her doing any magic--she doesn't even do her bogey hex in this book! The OoTP movie is innacurate, in that we see her doing magic! Powerful magic, which we can now attest is NOT IN THE BOOKS! So yea, basically Ginny has no role in this book except as Harry's Reward and the Walking Weasley Womb to give Harry a family with. And this is the love of his life, his equal? Once again, we didn't see love so much as lust on Harry's part--Ginny gives him a "kiss" and possibly herself to remember her by (not like say, a keepsake or a momento, etc?), which is very telling as to what their relationship is based on, Harry only thinks of them snogging (and apparently that's what they spent all their time going, just like Lav-Lav and Won-Won--wow, really deep and meaningful relationship there JK! ), and his last thoughts before dying are of her lips on his--in other words, her snogging abilities, rather than her alleged "warm and compassionate" personality or her fiery and "funny" personality. Not only is that really cheesy, but also really shallow! There may be no chest monster in this book (thank goodness!) but Harry's feelings for Ginny are still largely lust only--we still don't see why he has any feelings for her besides lust in the first place.
Also, how about the whole 'he likes Ginny b/c she doesn't cry' deal? Yes, b/c god forbid a woman you're dating show emotion and grief, so that god forbid, you have to make an effort to COMFORT her, or give her something in the relationship, as opposed to her just giving her all to you! Like in the end, when he doesn't go up and comfort Ginny after Fred dies and SHE's grieving, CRYING even (becoming a 'human housepipe' herself--yeah, that's a really nice relationship and love, glad to see you care Harry! Not to mention that at the very end he dismisses the idea of talking with Ginny with "Well, we have our whole lives ahead of us!" and goes off to hang with Ron and Hermione instead--he must really love that grieving Ginny! Who he's been pining for the whole book...though I guess what he was pining for was not talking...
And how about how irrationally jealous Ginny got throughout the book, like Gabrielle (who's only 11 for crying out loud, and just like her--hypocrite!), Cho, and the veela that Harry might meet (and which she needed to ensure against with a firewhisky kiss and potentially sex!)--it's like Ginny knows how little her relationship with Harry is based on, and that his attentions very well could wander to greener pastures, given how little they share. The fact that they are supposedly married all these years is very unbelievable, unless it's b/c Ginny Sue's special Mary Sue powers make her so custom-fitted to Harry's desires and expectations that she never gives him any trouble and doesn't care how he treats her? The whole crapilogue was so focused on their kids anyway, HG (and RH) abrely exchanged any words with one another!
Anyway, while it was nice that HG was barely present in the book b/c Ginny Sue thankfully was mostly absent, JK failed to make it at all convincing or compelling (though she succedded in cliched and cheesy!), and definitely failed if she wanted to make Ginny special or Harry's equal! Harry's "equal" is Voldemort, as said in the books, lol, or in terms of kids, Hermione and Ron are much more Harry's equal than Ginny is...and that's probably partly b/c Harry treats them like equals, and not as some object or doll to be protected and used when desired.....
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Oh my goodness! Is all I can really say. First of all Im glad we saw limited book time for Ginny because the moments she was in the book.. well let me just ! Anyways yes, the birthday gift that she gave Harry.. something to remember her by? Oh he will remember her allright, how can he not when she practically throws herself at him, obviously he can't resist. And the whole 'he kissed her like he's never kissed her before' oh my goodness GAG ME! But seriously, if this is the type of girl that Harry goes for, then I'm glad they ended up together. I thought Harry might 'see the light' or something along those lines and see who Ginny really is.. but I guess if he still has that monster in his chest, he and Ginny will have a nice time together. Also I was pretty mad when Harry was about to die all he could think of was GINNY?! After this moment I decided that shallow!Harry and super!Ginny would make a lovely couple. I would give them a chance if their relationship was the least bit explained! But alas, all we aw was snogging, and more snogging. Even R/Hr have more depth! At least we didn't get the ending that we all dreaded. The 'Harry will defeat Voldemort because of love and it is GINNY'S LOVE that get's him through all the hardships' *sigh* But I guess I'm happy for Harry, he got what he so desperatly longed for, a nice big red heaed family.
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All was well.
"Hermione turned and beamed at Harry; her eyes, too, were full of tears. '...then I declare you bonded for life.'"
Anyways yes, the birthday gift that she gave Harry.. something to remember her by? Oh he will remember her allright, how can he not when she practically throws herself at him, obviously he can't resist. And the whole 'he kissed her like he's never kissed her before' oh my goodness GAG ME!
I was extremely disturbed by the line "I'd like you to have something to remember me by."I was glad Ron interrupted. 1. Because he interrupted the snag-fest and 2.Because what would have happened if he didn't
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"But i must say, Ginevra's dress is far too low cut." Ginny glanced round,grinning,winked at Harry,then quickly faced front again.Harry's mind wandered a long way from the marquee,back to afternoons spent alone with Ginny in lonely parts of the school grounds.
Once again proof their relationship is pure lust.After hearing Ginny's dress is too low cut and seeing her exposed chest for himself as Ginny turns round his mind wanders to the afternoons they spent together in lonely.Doing what exactly?? I don't even want to go there....
In DH all we got was snogging and lusty thoughts between the two(pretty much the same as HBP)Where has their relationship developed??
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I think Ginny wasnt as bad in this book as she was in HBP or should I say Super! Ginny. She didnt do anything and I remember a thread saying that she was so greatly powerful and that being the only girl in a long line of brothers gave her power in her own right. Yeah right! She was supposed to hide and she only did for a little bit and the only scene where we see her fighting is when her and 2 much more powerful companions are fighting Bellatrix and Ginny nearly dies. That shows me lots of girl power. But anyway this about ths ship I agree completely with what beyond_the_veil said. In the chapter when Ginny kisses Harry when I saw the illustration I nearly gagged seeing them satnding so close with her hands on his chest. This is a very lust-induced relationship they may have grown to love eachother or something like that but that was the beginning to teenagers obsessed with each other. and one of Harrys supposed to be last thoughts the feel of Ginnys lips on his. Give me a break! He should have remembered friendship and loyalty from Hermione and Ron or all the people who love him not the feeling of Ginny kissing him if it werent for Harrys impending death I probably would have flung the book from me repulsed. Rowling should ahve explained the relationship more or Harry should have said I love you Gin something to prove to me that atleast now its not hormonal adults going at it even though if he said that I might be mad but it would atleast make me a little more understanding of his relationship with his ideal girl.
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I completely agree with all of you. Ginny was only ever attracted to Harry because he was the famous Boy-Who-Lived and Harry is only attracted to Ginny because of her 'maturing beauty'. It seems to me that this is more of a lust oriented relationship. I hardly blame Harry though, he hasn't had much time for girls other than the Cho situation so why not grab the next available girl? His best friend's sister. I just really don't see a real relationship between them unlike the chemistry and JKR was able to describe for Ron and Hermione. I think it was a bit random...there was no building connection.
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Jul 20 2007, 11:22 AM
That would have been truly barf-worthy! 
Please read my fanfic: 
! Anyways yes, the birthday gift that she gave Harry.. something to remember her by? Oh he will remember her allright, how can he not when she practically throws herself at him, obviously he can't resist. And the whole 'he kissed her like he's never kissed her before' oh my goodness GAG ME! But seriously, if this is the type of girl that Harry goes for, then I'm glad they ended up together. I thought Harry might 'see the light' or something along those lines and see who Ginny really is.. but I guess if he still has that monster in his chest, he and Ginny will have a nice time together. 
I don't even want to go there....
