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As promised, here is a shiny new thread for WAW.

....and from the founder Clara-Morgue....
Hey Everybody!
Welcome to The Wise and The Wonderful, 2nd edition!!

Please join in the conversation, if you do contribute you will automatically become a member.. please follow a few simple requirements;

If you do decide to join, please add something in your name about this club, a link if possible, if not the whole name, then W.A.W will do!
Also, try and keep on topic, we generally have some really good conversations and your input is greatly appreciated!

To get us up and running again... here are the last few questions which we had just started to discuss;

-Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??

-Some empathy required here- What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits? He often saw other people for what they were, but he had some trouble when it came to himself, his vision was clouded with self doubt. (remember what did HE see as his best and worst traits)

-Lastly, What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/discision and best action/descision was? Try and think about it a bit, dont just say the death of his sister.. Think, was it before then, or in the many, many years afterwards? (once again, remember, what did HE think)

Happy posting all!

[Ginny.Weasley]

Ouu a new thread. And I'm the first post. I just noticed it, and I realized that I hadn't yet answered those questions. So I will now.

Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??

Hmm...well I would have to say that he would probably want the wizarding community to re-build itself, and that all those muggleborn witches and wizards who were persecuted and put in Azkaban released. He would also want the Minitry of Magic and Hogwarts to get back up and running; under new 'management' of course.

What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits? He often saw other people for what they were, but he had some trouble when it came to himself, his vision was clouded with self doubt. (remember what did HE see as his best and worst traits)

Well I think that he would possibly consider his ability to love and trust everyone as a best and worst trait. Those traits can be good; but as he said in OoTP, if he didn't love Harry so much, he would've told him about the prophecy earlier.

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/discision and best action/descision was? Try and think about it a bit, dont just say the death of his sister.. Think, was it before then, or in the many, many years afterwards? (once again, remember, what did HE think)

I think that he believed one of his worst decisions was not trusting Harry with the information of the prophecy. He knew that he should've told him, but as I mentioned in the previous question, he loved Harry too much. One of his best decisions may have been to decline the position of Minister of Magic; as he said in DH, he was power-hungry all those years ago and if he had accepted, perhaps he wouldn't have become the person he ended up being.

Well that's my two-cents worth anyway.

~Lauren

[annesches]

Wow Clara we are on a new thread for WAW, I've got to update my signature.

I'm really busy at the moment with so much pile of work but I promise to post my answers really soon if not today.

Happy posting everyone.

[The Master of Death]

Wow...awesome new thread you guys...i am pleased to know and get some new questions i have already answered those ones in the old thread

[Jenzy Black]

Nice thread guys. Hey I answered those questions too in the last thread. Hoping to see new questions and all... good work

[Sabrina_Rose_Snape]

Firstly, I’m sorry for my absence.

Secondly, I hope everyone had a brilliant Christmas I know I did And I also hope every had a brilliant start to the new year

Now from the last thread…

Welcome to WAW The Master of Death and Jenzy Black
I hope you had a great holiday bookworm101 and welcome back

Great icons workaholic_1231 really good

Congratulations Seriouslysirius for winning the last dumbledore-ette of 2007, well earned.

Yeah new thread

Now I got to catch up with the very latest questions…but I don’t have much time today so I will just answer one of them …

-Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? Not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??
Well I think that Dumbledore would wish…

For Harry: I am pretty sure that the most important thing that Dumbledore would wish for Harry is for Harry to not endure any more suffering and pain as it is completely fair to say that Harry has been though a lot. I think that Dumbledore couldn’t bare it if Harry were to tolerate anymore hurt, pain, suffering because Harry truly is a young boy who has seen things to haunt him for the rest of his life, something’s no child should see.

For the surviving members of the order: Dumbledore would want them to have to hurt no more either. He would want the rest the Order to honour and celebrate the lives of those lost for the cause of defeating Lord Voldemort.

For the entire wizarding and muggle populations: Well I mainly think that he would wish for equality in the Wizarding World between pure-bloods, half-bloods, ‘mud-blods’. He would wish for the Wizarding World to coexist with each other but not to the extent of controlling one another.

For everyone: I think Dumbledore would wish for love. Love to all and everyone; love to keep everyone happy and strong. Love to conquer any ‘dark and difficult times’. Dumbledore wanted more love in the world so love therefore would be is true wish for all.

That’s all I have time for…for now…sorry…but…as a present…

My Dumbledore vs. Voldemort video is done so enjoy guys, please comment or rate if you can of course
Voldemort vs. Dumbledore
Enjoy

[clara morgue]

Hi Guys!!
Before I start on the questions; Jenzy Black, and The Master of Death-

Hey I answered those questions too in the last thread

get some new questions i have already answered those ones in the old thread

Just so you know.. we do try and get new questions up as soon as we can, but I don't have much time to think of topics which might be good to discuss, at the moment. Sometimes its nice to actually discuss answers.. if you look at what other people have written and continue the discussion.. but of course if you don't want to do that, feel free to ask your own questions! We always welcome new topics, if they're interesting!!

What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year?
Ginny.Weasley, Your point about the wizarding community re-building itself is very good. Dumbledore understood the importance of unity, and people relying on one another. During the time after the final battle people would need each other more than ever, they would need people to look up to and to follow, to organise and aid them, and they would need their surviving friends and family members for support and love.
I think Hogwarts would be a big factor. Dumbledore would want young witches and wizards to begin to learn again, maybe a few changes could be made, but overall, Hogwarts would go back to what it had been- a safe haven, and home, to many people.

Great answers S_R_S, yes.. Dumbledore would definitely want the suffering to end, and for love to show through more than it had in the past.
And on the topic of equality.. Even if Dumbledore thought that complete equality wasn't achievable in one short year, he would still wish for people to beginto accept each other. That would be the beginning of an equal community.

What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits?
Good point about the love there, G.W.. whilst love enabled him to do so much, and be so wise and think freely, it also restrained him. It bound him to obligations and sometimes prevented him from doing what was right in the long term, because it hurt somebody in the short term..
I think he saw his abilities to love and trust as his best traits, because he saw these abilities as the best parts of humanity, and of human nature. He prized the ability to love above knowledge, power or any other trait...
As for what he saw as his worst trait.. I think he would see himself as selfish. Now.. we don't see that, we know that the Dumbledore we know and love is as unselfish as a man can get.. but I think he probably saw something in himself that was selfish.
Whether it was his past- his greed and impulsiveness whilst he was friends with Grindlewald.. that was the problem.. or something else.
Perhaps his obsession with the deathly hallows.. his 'selfish' desire to protect Harry- at the cost of others. Perhaps the secrets he kept, and the people whos lives he 'selfishly' disrupted and endangered.. perhaps the deaths hecaused.
Although we see what he did as the right thing, we know that he did what he did to help and protect people.. I think that there was always something inside of Dumbledore that told him he was greedy and selfish.. and however far he ran he couldn't escape that.
And.. in no attempt to play down his death but.. Do you think that this played a part in Dumbledore's sacrifice? maybe he would loose that feeling of selfishness if he made the ultimate sacrifice..

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/decision and best action/decision was?
I will have to leave this question until next time.. when I have a bit more free time.. and I can see your thoughts!!

Finally.. S_R_S- great video!! If you would like it on the WAW site, you can send it to me via email, or msn! It would be a great addition!
On that note.. any newcomers that haven't yet looked at the WAW site- hereit is.. take a look around, and if you have anything that you wish to contribute, contact me via pm!!

Clara}~

EDIT: I just realised that this was on the last thread.. but most of you probably haven't see it yet-
I also quickly wanted to say that this month's dumbledore-ette will be decided in a completely different way. Instead of sherbet lemons, The award is going to be based soley on the things that you say. If you say something brilliant about Dumbledore, something very acurate and insightfull.. you could be named Dumbledore-ette of the month. Because we're all a bit busy.. (including me!) If you read something by another member that you think is worthy, please pm it to me. That way, I can see a wider range of things!!

[Gwenog]

Yay for the new thread!!!!

so I'm gonna post my first post on this brand new thread

Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??

I would say that DDs biggest desire was that people would live without prejudices and being discriminated against. He probably wished that people learned from the second war and would all realise how ridiculous it is to judge people just because of their blood status or anything else...yes I suppose he would want somebody who is having np prejudices at all to be Minister of Magic and well therefore hed be quite satisfied with Kingsley....

What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits? He often saw other people for what they were, but he had some trouble when it came to himself, his vision was clouded with self doubt. (remember what did HE see as his best and worst traits)

I think one of his worst traits is already said here...he has not really the abilty to assess himself properly. I guess this is the second worst part of him as he may think. His worst quality is definetly that he would abuse power if he had too much of it. He himself even said that he didnt want to become Minsiter of Magic as he was scared of what he would do with that power. This leads also to mistrust towards himself.
His best abilty, he thinks, is his brains. He knows he is brilliant and he also says often that he doesnt think that he is wrong therefore he is very relying on his intelligence.
Moreover I think he knows that he can be a good listener and of course he is brilliant at analising other people and their behaviour.

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/discision and best action/descision was? Try and think about it a bit, dont just say the death of his sister.. Think, was it before then, or in the many, many years afterwards? (once again, remember, what did HE think)

His worst mistake was first of all to be friends with Grindlewald and fall in love with him I suppose which led to his obsession with the Deathly Hallows.
Additionally he definetly regrets that he was too much of a coward (I guess he would say that its not really what I think about him) to admit his friendship with grindlewald or even act much earlier which would have saved probably many lives.
I dont have to mention the thing with his sister, you all know it by now.

Have fun with the new thread all of you! I wish all of us a great time

[annesches]

Hello everyone,

It's nice that I've finally got some time to catch up.

Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??

As he believed that evil will not be totally vanquished, he would wished that at least the wizarding world would have peace long enough. As the entire wizarding world needs to heal and a lot of repairs inside and outside the Ministry of Magic with regards to their system and beliefs.
As for some special people in his life:
Harry – of course he would want Harry now to have a normal life, that he had never experience since birth.
Hogwarts – he would want that the school continued what he had established, giving chances to those people that have magic and not of what their blood status were.
Hogwarts’ Staff – to be united as always and to teach all that had the gift.
Ministry of Magic – that it would open its eyes that had been so clouded before.
Order of the Phoenix – that it would not be needed again, but when the time comes that it need to reborn to fight another dark wizard then it would be ready as always to defend the good.

What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits? He often saw other people for what they were, but he had some trouble when it came to himself, his vision was clouded with self doubt. (remember what did HE see as his best and worst traits)

His worst trait would be that he was blinded by his intelligence thus his ambitions. He thought himself to be above everyone because of his mind; with this his ambitions were beyond reasons, thus eluding the right thing he must do with his gift. This had lead to the
I believe that he would say that his best trait was he was able to see the best out of someone, thus giving them his trust and chances to prove themselves.

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/discision and best action/descision was? Try and think about it a bit, dont just say the death of his sister.. Think, was it before then, or in the many, many years afterwards? (once again, remember, what did HE think)

I think he would think that his worst mistake was to be in love with someone like Grindelwald, and not what he had felt. He knew that he could not chose whom to be in love to but rather just hope that someone was not like who Grindelwald was. He had fight for love He understood that love is not a sin, but continuing to be blinded by it is not healthy at all, indeed, he believed that love is the most powerful magic and beyond all dark magic and any witchcraft. After all, he had explained and always try to let everyone understand that being capable and the ability to love is the most old and advanced magic. In fact he had seen, experienced and proven the power of love, the love that conquers all. He had seen how love had changed Snape, he had seen what Lily had given Harry, and he had seen what Harry had felt in the Ministry of Magic, this has proven that love is beyond all magic.

Keep Posting Guys!!!
Welcome to the new members!

p.s. clara, do we have something similar with the snapeweek or lupinweek about celebrating Dumbledore?

[hp_book_reader]

Imagine we are entering the year after the downfall of Voldemort. What would Dumbledore wish for in the coming year? not just for Harry and the other surviving members of the order, but for the entire wizarding and muggle populations. Would he have any particularly special wishes??
I believe that Dumbledore would want Harry to like annesches said and live a normal life and to have a nice big family and love Ginny and his children. As for the entire wizarding world I bet that he would want them to relax but to keep an eye out for 'future Voldemorts' so that it isn't like after Voldemort someone else becomes a Dark Lord. Also he probably would have wanted the Ministry to help out the muggles. Not to mention the wizarding world needs to pick better Minister of Magic.

What do you think Dumbledore saw as his best and worst traits? He often saw other people for what they were, but he had some trouble when it came to himself, his vision was clouded with self doubt. (remember what did HE see as his best and worst traits)
I is very sad that Dumbledore would ever think that he had any bad qualities. But I quess that he would think that his worst trait would be his longing for power. As for his best traits, now I know that I could name a thousand good traits of his but as for what HE thought as his best quality I think it would be that he would be proud of the knowleadge that he gives his students.

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/discision and best action/descision was? Try and think about it a bit, dont just say the death of his sister.. Think, was it before then, or in the many, many years afterwards? (once again, remember, what did HE think)
Ok then I quess that it would be ummm.....that he didn't keep a closer eye on Voldemort and that he didn't give him 'all that he could have'. Now I don't think that he could have done anything when it came to Voldemort, but Dumbledore is so humble and self-doupting that I think that he thought that he could have done something.

[clara morgue]

OK this is the third time I've written this post because for some reason it keeps getting deleted.. and I'm starting to get a little peeved.. I apologise in advance for any rudeness...

Right.. I'm a teeny bit disappointed that nobody has pm'd any suggestions for dumbledore-ette of the month. Maybe I overestimated how much you guys actually read other people's posts... oh well we can just use the normal.. boring.. easy way of doing things if none of us can be bothered..

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/decision and best action/decision was?
I think that (for the third time), that I agree in part with hp_book_reader here- that it is something to do with Voldemort. I reckon Dumbledore probably thought that he underestimated Riddle, and how far Riddle would go to get what he wanted. This was something he would vow never again to repeat.
As for his best action.. I'm not totally sure.. perhaps it was something to do with letting Harry prove himself, and relating to my other point- not underestimating what Harry and his friends could do. Personally, I think it put their 'mission' in danger.. But dumbledore probably saw these actions- letting people make their own way in life, and not restricting them, as well as letting go of his own fear.. as his best actions.

And since nobody seems to answer questions unless i say 'here's a question'.. Here's a question-
Do you think that the possibility of Dumbledore feeling as though he was/had been greedy and selfish played a part in his sacrifice at the end of HBP?

p.s. Clara, do we have something similar with the snapeweek or lupinweek about celebrating Dumbledore?

I had thought about it.. It really depends on when, how much time and help I have.. and what you guys would like.. I did check birthdays of character/actors in the past.. I'll have another think if you guys would like something.. I think it would be a good idea.. and a great opportunity to give out sherbet lemons!!

Clara}~

PS.. sorry.. I was stressy

[bookworm101]

Oh cool, another thread! Yay!

First off, I want to say a late congrats to Seriouslysirius for winning Dumbledore-ette of the last month in 2007! Well, I guess that answers my question if only girls can be the Dumbledore-ette!

To the questions....okay since I don't have time to answer all of them, I'll just answer the last two...

What do you think Dumbledore believed his worst mistake/decision and best action/decision was?

I agree with most of you on the fact that Dumbledore's worst was to underestimate Riddle, the things he was capable of. But maybe, do you think it was also when he dueled with Grindlewald? Or even becoming friends with him? getting into all of that dark magic and stuff? Because he seemed to regret that quite a bit. But just think, if he never got involved with Grindlewald, what might've happened...

Do you think that the possibility of Dumbledore feeling as though he was/had been greedy and selfish played a part in his sacrifice at the end of HBP?

Hmm, good question. I don't think it was so much that he was feeling greedy/selfish though, it might have been something he HAD to do, in order to help Snape and the rest of the Wizarding community. Maybe a teeny bit of him felt that way, but I don't think he took it that hard on himself as to make it play a big part in him being killed.

Oh, I didn't know we had to PM you Clara, I thought you picked. Shows how much I know!

<3 Rachel

[hp_book_reader]

Do you think that the possibility of Dumbledore feeling as though he was/had been greedy and selfish played a part in his sacrifice at the end of HBP?

I agree with bookworm10, I don't really think it had to do with that but that he felt that he would do more good dead than alive, because he would help Draco and Snape. But because he thought that of himself he maybe thought that he 'deserved to die' in the fact that it was his greediness (greediness is a bad word but I quess that is how Dumbledore thought is actions were) that he was injured in the first place.

PS- Can I say that I'm a member of WAW?

[Gwenog]

Do you think that the possibility of Dumbledore feeling as though he was/had been greedy and selfish played a part in his sacrifice at the end of HBP?
sacrifice? I would hardly call it one if I am honest! I mean he would have died anyway...he didnt really choose that he would die but moreover how he would die! I would hardly call that a sacrifce....if someone had to do a sacrifice that was Snape and DD...

[The Writing on the Wall]

Do you think that the possibility of Dumbledore feeling as though he was/had been greedy and selfish played a part in his sacrifice at the end of HBP?

No, I don't think it did. Dumbledore realised he had been greedy and selfish (something hard for me to say, being a worshipper Albus), but he saw this in his old age as strengths, showing he was Human. Even if he thought these were weaknesses, he would see them as proof of humanity, and therefore would see them as reasons to die. He died so Harry could live, and with that, he died honourably, and let his plans carry on on there twisting paths towards the Downfall of the Dark Lord.