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Of all of the fan written editorials on Veritaserum this is, in my opinion, the best one. And that includes the four I've written myself. It is one of the few things that left me completely stunned after reading it, and I am surprised it has been so overlooked. I thought I'd help bring it to light, and see what everyone thinks.
Don't forget to leave a comment there! I'm sure Anne appreciates them as much as I do on my editorials, even the critiques. Then you can return here to give and recieve feedback on your own thoughts.
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I really like Anne's theory. Its reasonable and fluently explains the components of the Triwizard Tournament in relation to the events after Voldemort's return. Yet she left something out from her theory which was relevant during the competition: Barty Crouch Jr.-a puppeter of Harry's actions and outcomes to lure Harry to the Dark Lord. Who is it?
i love this editorial!!! it blew my mind the first time i read it. i'm so glad to find a place to FINALLY discuss it. weasel king, you are so right, its the best editorial on veritaserum, yet alot of people dont even know its there... tuitus, i totally agree that this could mean harry has a real life "puppetier". the obvious choice would be dumbledore. just helping harry get through the major events to deliver him to voldemort in the end. it would be a cool twist, but i think i would be pretty upset if it actually did happen. i like to think of dumbledore as the ultimate opposite of voldemort, not on the same side...
lets look at the 3rd task, shall we... here are the things harry has to face, and what i think they COULD mean. i would love to hear what you guys think...
1.dementor (really a bogart)- anne thought that this would mean that harry would have to fight dementors, but he has already done that in books 3 and 5. dementors represent fear. i think that this means that he is going to have to conquer fear. how this will happen, i dont know.
2. mist that turns the world upside down- i like annes explanation that something will happen to turn harrys world upside down. this could be something good or bad. possibly a death, or could even be a romantic relationship (wink, wink... nudge, nudge... )
3. Skrewt- this ones hard. the skrewt is one of hagrids projects. something that harry has had lots of exposure too. i wonder if this is where grawp will come into play? another one of hagrids experiments?
4. Krum attacking Cedric- krum is someone that harry trusts, but not completly. he is being controled by a dark wizard, and is made to attack someone who harry has loads of respect. but krum is ultimately exonorated in the end. applying this to the books, the only person that i can think to apply this to is snape, someone harry has learned to trust, but not completely. could voldemort use snape against the order to make him look like a traitor, but still be good in the end??
5. Sphinx- harry has to use logic to get to the final battle before claiming the prize. i cant even begin to think how this will come into the books, other than harry just having to outsmart his opponant.
6. Giant spider-once again, this one is hard. when i think of spiders, i think of how they are rons biggest fear. could this mean that the final battle has something to do with ron? or could it have something to do with aragog? maybe clues to this paralell will be revealed in book 6.
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I remember JKR said that books 6 & 7 are like two halves of the same book. Maybe the event that turns Harry's world upside down happens at the end of HBP. I think the acromantula represents a monstrosity Harry must confront with someone else (Ron/Hermione/Neville/Dumbly-dor/HBP) prior to the final battle. So it might not be a spider or Aragog, but maybe a creature under Voldemort's command or a really powerful DE (Bellatrix?).
Yes I really liked that theory and thinks that it makes perfect sense. I also think that it is the best editorial that I have read. Well done Anne!! I can't imagine how much effort you put into that,
That editorial was, simlpy, amazing. The author obviously put alot of thought into it. Rowling's forshadowings are unfortunately usually noticed when the NEXT book is out. These could provide up until the final book, though.
Sometimes it seemed as SOME if the parallels weren't very significant...but some of them were -very- significant. I have never noticed the
"And to recover what we took, But past an hour - the prospect's -black- Too late, it's gone, it won't come back"
Coincidence? I don't know.
Anne, if you are reading this. You have a lovely eye for detail. GREAT editorial
The only opposition I have...is would Rowling really put SO much forshadowing into her book? I know she has little tidbits here and there. But this is alot.
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O my gosh...Anne is so patient! i never noticed any link between book four and the upcoming others...but i have to say, it does seem a little unlikely that JKR would put so much foreshadowing into her previous books...though i voted for 'Good, but i dont know..'
its reall great though how she found all those links...guess some of them were planned but maybe the rest were coincidental? especially the part which says 'prospect is black (blah blah blah) wont come back'... maybe it was coincidental...because black and back do rhyme and Rowling possibly didnt find any other word which would fit in here...we cant take all of them to be planned...(or maybe we can, you never know with Jo)...
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Hey everyone. I just discovered this essay tonight (well, technically this morning...), and it just gave me goosebumps! What do you think, especially to the connections to OotP and HBP? Here's a link to it. It's a real jaw-dropper and eye-opener.
Looking forward to reading the discussions!
This post has been edited by GoGinny!!: Aug 3 2005, 05:01 AM
Third task: Harry must overcome fear of Dementors, Harry must overcome the situation, that his world became upside down (that DD is dead and the news about Snape) Snape-like Krum- cursed DD
OK, I have more time now to edit my post and write more about the third task because the 2 first ones are obvious.
Dementors in the third task: maybe Harry has to overcome his depression after the loss of Sirius.
Then this mist, which caused that Harry's world turned upside down. Is it the thing with Horcruxes, that he has to find so many? Maybe it's connected with Snape, Harry is sure that he's evil and he has to overcome this? because he had to move to be on the ground again and it was difficult...
Then blast-ended skrewts... what would it be??? Voldemort's /Snape's weakest point????
Then Krum under the Cruciatus curse: Harry thought that he's a decent guy, but they weren't best friends... This can be Snape and his Unbreakable Vow and attacking DD, and Harry trusted him but didn't like him.
Then Sphinx's riddle: RIDDLE-> this is a spider. And the spider may be who? Snape of course, who Harry has to overcome together with somebody to finish off Voldemort.
Dementors in the third task: maybe Harry has to overcome his depression after the loss of Sirius.
Then this mist, which caused that Harry's world turned upside down. Is it the thing with Horcruxes, that he has to find so many? Maybe it's connected with Snape, Harry is sure that he's evil and he has to overcome this? because he had to move to be on the ground again and it was difficult...
Then blast-ended skrewts... what would it be??? Voldemort's /Snape's weakest point????
Then Krum under the Cruciatus curse: Harry thought that he's a decent guy, but they weren't best friends... This can be Snape and his Unbreakable Vow and attacking DD, and Harry trusted him but didn't like him.
Then Sphinx's riddle: RIDDLE-> this is a spider. And the spider may be who? Snape of course, who Harry has to overcome together with somebody to finish off Voldemort.
I really enjoyed reading the column and it's giving me a lot of stuff to sleep on, but just something that I did pick up.
I've seen a little bit of reference to the third task relating to stuff that Harry might have to do in the 7th book, however it seems to me that most of it relates to stuff that's already happened in books 5 and 6.
First of all the dementors.... Harry's already had to fight off the dementors at the start of OOTP, in which he saved his own and Dudley's life.
Harry's life has been turned upside down a lot in the last two books. First of all, Sirius died. Then he finds out that he either has to be a killer or be killed- not an easy thing for anyone to learn- He finds out that he CAN do potions and continue his quest to become an auror as well as finding out that his favourite subject is being taught by his least favourite teacher. Along with this- his previously most-hated subject he is now excelling in (ok, help there). He *SPOILER* [color=orange]discovers that he has feelings for his best friend's sisters. And finally *SPOILER*Dumbledore, who he thought was going to be there forever, dies. So yeh- I'd say that the world is already turned upsidedown.
The Spider I believe is reflected when *SPOILER* (geez, didn't realise how many of these there'd be...) Aragog dies.
As to the other parts though, Harry tried to inflict the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in OOTP but didn't have the heart for it (or more correctly, too much heart). However Krum was actually under the imperius curse, not cruciatus. The imperius curse also played a big role in OOTP, as Sturgis tries to get into the Mysteries areas, believed to be on the Imperius curse. There's also the speculation as to whose cursed and whose acting on their own will. However with Krum, I think Krum IS a good guy, however given that Crouch had him cursed, he was acting out of his own will- so maybe that IS reflected in Snape.
the idea with Dementors and Harry's world upside down is very good
I just can't decide if Krum is Snape (that was my first thought) or if he's a spider
There's a sentence in OoTP when Snape's described as "He walked in a twitchy manner that recalled a spider", so I don't think that it's about Aragog... Harry didn't care about him...
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QUOTE (Pixymajik @ Aug 3 2005, 06:35 AM)
I've seen a little bit of reference to the third task relating to stuff that Harry might have to do in the 7th book, however it seems to me that most of it relates to stuff that's already happened in books 5 and 6.
I'm with Bubo here! I think the essay's great, but it really has pretty much played through the 5th and 6th books. Very well I might add.
*The first task* has already played through, with the return of Voldemort to human form.
*The second task* 'First, "what you'll sorely miss" ' That's DD in this caseand is the forshadowing of the loss of DD.
"the prospect's black [Sirius], too late, it's [he's] gone, it [he] won't come back" - oh, I wish JKR hadn't written this one... I didn't notice it before, and always had a hope for his return. Guess not!
I hope you didn't waste time down there acting the hero (503 GoF)." foreshadows DD's stunning Harry to allow things to run their course planned or not.
*The third task*
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First off, I think that Harry and Voldemort will not meet each other again until the final showdown. There are only three tasks in the Triwizard Tournament, thus Harry meets Voldemort three times (with his new body). This is also nicely parallel to Harry's parents, who "thrice defied" the Dark Lord. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, I think, will be almost entirely devoted to the wizarding world at war, which is symbolized by the maze.
Amazingly accurate!
First obstacle - boggart/dementor - Harry faces them in book 5 when he saves Dudley.
Second obstacle-
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Harry next finds "an odd golden mist floating ahead of him." When Harry steps into this mist, "the world turned upside down (623 & 624 GoF)."
This could be the revelation of the 7 horcruxes. Harry's whole life has changed to finding and destroying these before fighting LV. It can also be seen as the loss of DD, but that fits elsewhere.
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Deeper in the maze, Cedric is almost killed by Krum, who is under the Imperious Curse. Harry had previously thought that Krum was a decent guy. They got along and respected each other as competitors, even if they were not the best of friends. It seems to me that someone close to Harry will be cursed by one of Voldemort's followers. This person doesn't have to be someone that Harry particularly likes, but it will be someone that he trusts.
Maybe this isn't even someone Harry trusts, but is Draco. As evil as Draco is, even Harry would never have suspected that he'd try to kill DD.
Third obstacle - The Sphinx's riddle... Riddle reference aside, the riddle may be whose side is Snape really on?
Fourth obstacle - The spider - a foreshadowing of Aragog's death.
I'm also with Bubo on the skrewt thing... UNLESS... how about the fire in Hagrid's hut at the end of the HBP... Skrewts were always setting things on fire?????
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So it might not be a spider or Aragog, but maybe a creature under Voldemort's command or a really powerful DE (Bellatrix?). 
