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Group: Witches & Wizards
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Most people talk of Hermione's Roll in the upcoming war, and Harry's (obvious) roll, but what about Ron? What do you all think? I have some Ideas of my own, if you guys want to know...
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Yes, Ron definitly has the feel of a sacrificial character. I think something is going to have to trigger Harry in a way that only the death of his closest friend can. Sirius' death couldn't do it, it was righteous anger. But at some point he's going to have to actually kill Voldemort. Kill. You need "a powerful bit of magic" behind an Avada Kedavra, and even if Harry doesn't use AK, he's got to ready himself to kill. It's not an easy thing to do. Something is going to have to get him angry enough to want to end Voldemort's life. And if he see's Voldemort kill Ron, I think that just might do it.
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As for people who will sacrafice themselves i think that will be nevill and not Ron. I don't think that Ron will die. The way i think that Harry will kill Voldermort is that thing that DD talked about thats worse than death. I don't think Ron is the type of person that would have enough courage to face Voldermort unless Voldermort personally attacked him.
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Don't you all go berserk on me now because I know that J.K. Rowling has often said that these are not 'childrens books,' but there's no getting around the fact that she does have a pretty sizable child audience, and I really think that children remain the target age group. Look at who has been invited to attend the Edinburgh Castle book six release event -- eight- to sixteen-year-olds. She can say that she's not writing with a target age range in mind all she wants, but if you ask me, it would still be a really rotten PR move if she did something in her books (not that she really has to think about PR with the amount of money she's got... but let's just say that she's a genuinely kind-spirited person...) that would give millions of kids worldwide horrible nightmares for months (and that would include me, absolutely). Killing off Ron would be the sort of thing that would qualify. So, based on my logic, Harry, Ron, and Hermione are all going to stay. Don't know if I can say the same for Seamus or Ernie or even my beloved Anthony, but the trio -- to whom everyone is emotionally attached -- will definitely survive.
That aside, I don't really see Ron as a sacrificial character; I have a tendency to think that Dumbledore is the one who will die for Harry, if anyone at all. I'll leave the whole Dumbledore bit for another thread, but about Ron... Did you notice how J.K. Rowling deliberately removed him from the main fight scene in the Department of Mysteries? Yet although Ron did not have Harry, the One who can defeat Voldemort, for 'protection,' he, Ginny, and Luna, of all people (bear in mind that Harry thought that Ginny, Luna, and Neville were not the most suitable D.A. members to help him, Ron, and Hermione rescue Sirius) got away from the Death Eaters with no serious problems (i.e. deaths). This makes me think that Ron is much more of a fighter than he appears at first glance, and we're going to see a few scenes with a lot of good action on Ron's part sometime in the very near future (think July 16th).
The reason why everyone thinks that Ron is going to bite the dust and not Hermione is because Hermione, having her amazing-bordering-on-frightening powers of deduction and having 'proved' herself capable of fighting in the Department of Mysteries battle, seems somehow invincible. Ron, on the other hand, gives the air of a weaker person -- he refuses to stand up to Fred and George about testing their trick sweets on the first years, for crying out loud! How is he supposed to fight off the Death Eaters? He obviously did, however, or else he would have gone Sirius's route by now. It's just that we have a tendency to underestimate him right now because his fight scene was offstage.
Furthermore, I do not think that Ron would have any desire to sacrifice himself, even for Harry. We think of the Weasleys as people who will do anything to make sure that good triumphs over evil -- and perhaps that is true in the case of the adults -- but we certainly haven't seen anything from the kids to show that the good ol' self-preservation instinct wouldn't override those glorious abstract ideals of 'loyalty' at the end of the day. Percy is obviously extremely ambitious; even though Mr. and Mrs. Weasley seem pretty willing to die for the sake of the Order, we'd never see him sacrificing himself for the good of the cause -- well, obviously we wouldn't in "Order of the Phoenix," but that's beside the point. Fred and George have already said that they care more about their dad dying than they care about the "dumb Order" -- and why wouldn't they feel any differently about their own lives? The point is, even if the Weasley adults are these saintly beings who work solely for truth and justice, why should their kids be? We need to get rid of this mental image of Ron as the trusty sidekick who is just there to help out -- and perhaps die for -- Harry.
So I think that Ron's future role in the series is going to have to do with battle -- and I don't think he's got any plans for a sacrificial death.
Anthony I completely agree with you. Most people who read these books are children, although many are adults, there are a lot of kids who read them. I'm 13, started reading them when I was six, If I was anywhere between these two ages, I would have nightmares forever about killing Ron off. I don't think that Ron will be killed, even though the chess game incident. Don't know why. But if the chess game thing is right, then Dumbledore wouldn't die (because he is the king, if Harry was the king, then why would he choose the place of the bishop). I don't see J.K. killing him off or making him sacrifice himself, but I do think that he'll have a large part in the final battle.
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Just a gentle reminder here. Please discuss on Ron's role in future battle and not his future health issues or any other people dying for that matter. That can be done here and here.
“Would you like me to do it now?” asked Snape, his voice heavy with irony. “Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?” - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
I agree on the Dumbledore front; his death will help in paving the road towards Harry's success over Voldemort. However, I do believe that Ron does have it in him to try and sacrifice himself. I have always thought it would be one of those things that is beyond heroic bordering on suicide, and he would do it to save others, possibly Harry in particular, or Hermione. But no, he won't die- he has to stick around to argue and have some red-headed offspring with Hermione non??
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I remember reading somewhere that J.K. said that Ron or Hermione wouldn't die in the sixth book because Harry needs them too much. I have no idea about the seventh book though. It's as Anthony said, most readers are kids who want Harry to have a happy life.
i think that ron will probably die. i get the feel that although there is a strong bond of friendship between all of them ron will probably be the first do die. his character is one that he will sacrfice himself and im sure that if he does die then he wiuld love to be remembered as a hero!
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I certainly hope Ron will not die. He is so interesting, and I think he is extremely underestimated. I have heard a lot of people saying they think Hermione is more important, and this bothers me. He was the one Harry would miss most according to Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
ron is my favorite out of the trio! i love his humor and aggression--he causes the most drama but everyone loves drama now and again. i think he has a lot of hidden potential not noticed because he is often overshadowed by hermione and harry. really though, i think if ron dies... it will be his own doing by rushing into a dangerous situation. he tends to be a 'do-er' rather than a thinker... so his lack of caution could do it in for him in the end...... anyway, as for his upcoming role in the war, support is a given because of his friendship with harry and the order. i think he will become more involved but cause some trouble. he seems to have a lot of misguided assumptions and because he thinks with his heart rather than his head, he could lead harry or someone else into deep waters. if ron keeps his cool, he'll be very beneficial.
Has anyone hear heard the theory that the Weasleys can somehow be linked to a pheonix?
This might be a bit confusing to some, but as legend has it, I believe it is the 7th son in a family that has some kind of power. Now that being said, Ron, from what we know, is not the 7th, he's the sixth. However, the possibility remains that there may have been a miscarriage, or another brother that died...in fact, the actual likelihood in such a large family of having a loss is very high indeed.
Now, what that could mean I don't know, but its an intersesting concept to wrap your head around non?
Ron's Role, in the fight against Voldemort
May 10 2005, 12:40 AM
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