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[Harry_Ginny777]

that is a really good idea he could have been a phoenix in his animagus form but it really doesn't matter now he is dead and J.K. rowling said he is not coming back but we never found out if he was an animagus or not but if he was one then i am pretty sure it would be a phoenix

[myscarhurts]

I may be wrong, I've tried to check as best I can, but do you have to be dead to be a portrait? I got the impression (again I've tried to be sure, but cannot acount for all references) that you simply had to be a past headmaster(mistress?) to be a portrait.

If this is the case, then DD has simply ceased to be a headmaster of hogwarts. Now I do think he's dead, but the "properly dead" thing has merit. DD says that death is just the beginning of the next adventure (ok I should have check exact wording) but why should DD'd next adventure not be in the "present". Either way can he not influence the current headmistress as a portrait without being dead?

I also think that since the ministry studies death in the dept of mysteries (Nearly headless nick points this out to Harry who retorts with "Don't talk to me about that place!", a convienient way for JKR to leave a clue without anyone noticing OOTP uk pg 759) that perhaps Sirius is indeed in some kind of "lab" although thats off topic, but more to the point that death is indeed not as straightforward as we might think (DD surely has a better grasp of Death than the ministry).

If there was a wizard that was at once not afraid of death (many refs which I'm sure have been used here before including the next adventure above and his admonishment of LV's fear that nothing is worse than death) had the belief that he was right (in HBP he admits he is sometimes wrong, but on the whole is more right than wrong) and also thought that Harry's future was the most important thing (in OOTP he claims that he is wrong to have allowed "nameless and faceless creatures [to be] slaughtered" UK pg739, but that he did it for Harry to be safe), then it is DD. He clearly will ensure that his death will only serve Harry and I cannot believe it will merely be the act of dying that does it.

OK so to get back on topic, DD knows about death (I think), he has the capacity to help Harry (after death) via the phoenix link (be it animagus or just understanding) or otherwise and he is a past headmaster (and likely at one stage a dead one as well). Surely he will figure in book 7!

[HPFan792]

Well i am not so sure if DD is an animagus.I think that if he was an animagus that J.K. would have told us about him being a animagus.Since she states that DD is dead for sure i really don't think that he is an animagus and if he was i think that he would be a phoenix.

[IslandJo]

I recently discovered this theory wile doing some research on another subject… it was very interesting and I started a forum and did some research. I didn’t know that there was a forum already but here is my reaserch

To quote my self:

Who has a phoenix as a pet? Though it could be very reasonable that one could poses a phoenix as a pet, it's not likely to be an animal that is easy to come by. As a magical creature the phoenix, like dragons, most likely has their own habitation in which they live freely. How would Dumbledore have acquired such a loyal companion? Could it be that he had met Fawx when he was in the form of a Phonix himself? We know that The Marauders, as well as an obnoxious reporter, became unregistered anamagis, is it possible that Dumbledore also acquired this ability without sharing the knowledge of it with anyone? How would this play out in book 7?

The Facts:
1. Everything about Dumbledore seems to revolve around the " phoenix "
2. The subject of loyalty, which we know to be a quality of the phoenix, has played a significant roll with those associated with Dumbledore.
3. When the phoenix "dies" it's body bursts into flames and it is reborn from the ashes. Dumbledore’s body burst into flame during the memorial service, (and from the reaction the crowd gave, it didn't seem to be expected.) Harry thought for a moment that he saw a phoenix flying away.
4. The phoenix is considered to be one of the most powerful magical creatures, and Dumbledore has been called the most powerful wizard in the world on many occasions.

Now I would like to input some research I have done:

“Becoming an Animagus is difficult and the transformation can go horribly wrong. Animagi can assume only one form. Furthermore, the choice of animal is not up to the user, but instead reflects something of one's inner nature. The same is true of the form of one's Patronus, and it is commonly assumed that a wizard's Animagus form and Patronus will be the same. However, this is entirely speculative as no Animagi have yet conjured Patronuses in the books.”

remember this quote when you read the last:

“It took Peter Pettigrew, James Potter, and Sirius Black (James and Sirius are said to be the cleverest students in their school at the time) the best part of three years (between their second and fifth school years) to work out how to do it; it is not clear how long the process would take a fully-trained wizard or witch to accomplish.
Whilst in animal form, the witch or wizard retains all sensory perception and cognition. Simply put, they have the abilities of the animal they have transformed into, while retaining the mentality of a human. All Animagi are required to register themselves with the Ministry of Magic, as transforming into an animal can be extremely dangerous; also, registering their specific markings allows the Ministry to track crimes committed in animal form, or wizards/witches who might use an animal form to escape justice. The process does not appear to be very effective, likely due to the difficulty of enforcing it.
Another wizard or witch can use his/her wand to force an Animagus to transform back to human form, producing a flash of blue-white light in the process (Prisoner of Azkaban).”

“Registered Animagi
In the third book, which takes place during 1993 and 1994, it is mentioned that only seven Animagi have so far registered during the entire 20th century. The only known one is Minerva McGonagall, who transforms into a cat.

Unregistered Animagi
As revealed in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, James Potter was a stag-animagus, Sirius Black was a dog-animagus, and Peter Pettigrew a rat-animagus; all three of them were/are unregistered, having managed to master the animagus transformation during their fifth year at Hogwarts.
Ron's pet rat Scabbers was really Peter Pettigrew, who lived in disguise for twelve years. He is the only animagus so far in the series to stay in animal form for such a long period of time.
In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, it is revealed that Rita Skeeter, a pesky tabloid journalist, obtains all of her secrets in the form of a beetle.

Historical Animagi
In both the Harry Potter computer games by Electronic Arts and the Harry Potter trading card game, there is mention of certain historical Animagi who presumably lived before any kind of registration process. These people are Falco Aesalon (an Ancient Greek who could turn into a falcon, and is the first recorded example of an Animagus) and the witches Morgana Le Fay and Cliodne who lived in medieval times and were both bird Animagi.”

And speaking of Dumbledore:

“An unknown time after his graduation, Dumbledore returned to the school as Professor of Transfiguration…His Patronus takes the form of a phoenix, a recurring symbol in the books.”

all though this all suports the theory I an still not convinsed my self

[MIKOH]

it's possible youu know, well i thought of this lots of times a great wixard like dumbledore doesn't have an animagous, wellmaybe that'swhy he can control fawkes so well.

[kelseaaa]

i think dumbledores animagus might b crookshanks after all, crookshanks seems to be around harry and harry seams to like crookshanks aswell, and hermione seems to be very very fond of her cat

[Mascini]

[spoiler]I am sorry if this was already posted, just couldn't be bothered to search through all of the pages [/spoiler]I clearly remember Hermione stating at the end of PoA, "There have only been seven animagi in the last century, and . . ."

If Dd is 157, then he wouldn't be one registered in the last century, right????

If you want to include that in your first post, please do, but give me credit

[Hermy>>]

[b]Well DD could have a horcruxe and it could be his phoenix FAWKES maybe thats why he always followed DD around....

if this is true, then dd can come back and help harry

Remember that voldermort might also have nagini as one of his horcruxes... maybe that's how he was able to attack Mr. weasley using naginy.

[JellyBelly]

I think that the theory of Dumbledore being an animagus is very likely. But if he is an animagus, then he would have to be the owl going by the theory. If dumbledore was Fawkes, then how would he show Harry Fawkes and still talk to him in person at the same time in book 2 I think it is? I also think we can rule out Dumbledore being Hedwig, because Hedwig is around Harry all the time in the books, and then Dumbledore would not be able to run the school over the summer holidays, he would have no time to do any recruiting for new teachers or any of those other responsibilities. Although, I do beleive that Dumbledore is probably an unregistered animagus, just not Fawkes or Hedwig themselves, maybe an owl, but not Fawkes or Hedwig.



JellyBelly

[gryffindorgirlie]

I think it could be fawkes. Infact, it could be like a duplicate of Fawkes. Which would make sense for all the time Fawkes has Rescued Harry. logical if you think about it!

Yet another Encyclopidea query.

[Doug2222]

I've often wondered whether this is the case. We see many people who can cast patronus charms in the books but there are very few witches and wizards who are animagi as this is very advanced magic and not many people want to put in the time and effort to become one. Their are only two people that we see both patronus charm and animagus form. Minerva McGonagall and James Potter. I always imagined that the effort required to become an amimagi and the bond formed between the animal they become helped to dictate what the patronus would become. Hence McGonagall's and James's patronus form looking identical to their animagi form.

This makes me wonder, if this theory is right, could the reverse be true as well? Could someone who could already cast a corporal patronus charm and then went on to become an animagus take the same animagus form as their patronus. So could Hermione go on to become an otter when she became an animagus? (hypothetically of course). Or is this completely wrong? Could the two forms be independent of each other?

I had one more idea I wanted to put out there. Dumbledore was an outstanding, highly gifted wizard who had numerous talents. He can speak Mermish, Gobbledegook and understand Parseltounge, helped create the Philosopher's Stone/ Sorcerer's Stone, discovered twelve uses of dragon blood and much more. Most importantly he was highly advanced at transfiguration and even used to teach the subject while a teacher at Hogwarts. For someone who was so ambitious to explore the depths of his magical talent, is it not possible that he archived the (hard task to most) of becoming an animagus during his lifetime? I no there is no evidence to suggest this but is this idea not plausible considering who we are talking about? And if that is the case, could he turn into a phoenix?

Finally if he could turn into a phoenix, could that be how he managed to make a phoenix as pet? An creature that is rated as XXXX in 'Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them' because it's 'rather the rarity of successful attempts to domesticate it'. Could he have befriended a phoenix and develop a bond with it by becoming and acting as one?

Again I know this is based on nothing but that's how I always imagined it in my mind. Now what does everyone else think on all of these ideas? Agree? Disagree? Other ideas, thoughts and theories? Share your ideas with everyone.

[DeSs]

Doug2222, I really get your point and agree. Curiously, I just commented that to my buddy Kelly, because I didn't like that my Sorting here told me that my Animagus was a jaguar and my Patronus was ... also a jaguar. I thought that they had to be different, but then, when I talked to her (because she gave me another Patronus form), I thought it again and ... how could I know that Patronus and Animagus have to be different, when we had only seen only two people who could turn into Animagi and also casted a Patronus sometime?
I think that, if you first develope your Animagus form, then there's a stronger chance that your Patronus will be like that. But both kind of magic are too hard and difficult for any ordinary wizard to perform; how many people could even try to conjure a Patronus? Not to mention that not many people would ever risk their lives trying to turn into an Animagus. But it could be that, if you first conjure a Patronus, that your Animagus will be indeed the same animal as this one. Both things feature your soul somewhat; show what you're made of, how you really are, what are your traits; the important thing here is not how your Patronus or your Animagus look, yet it's really a mirror of your soul, but what matters is that they really work for what they're used for: a Patronus to shield, an Animagus to conceal yourself.
On Dumbledore, I don't really think he was an Animagus. He didn't need it, and yet he might have been interested and all, I think he might have just study all the process but never tried; or if he did, never used it. He could produce such a powerful Disillusionment charm that he didn't even need an invisibility cloak, and I'm sure he wouldn't have liked to be registered as an official Animagi, yet he couldn't be an illegal one.

[AryaForce]

Well, who said you had to be an animagous if you teach Transfiguration. Anyway I guess he could be a phoenix, but could you turn into a non-mythical creature. Other than that probably an eagle or a lion like Aslan in Narnia.