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I've checked the boards, but I'll just hope there isn't another topic like this one. Hee, I'm so optimistic.
Anyway, have any of you noticed how it's really only Dumbledore and Hagrid that stick up for Severus when Harry doubts the professor's real side in the war (I know there's a word for that yet I just can't remember what it is)?
Well, we can probably say that Harry only goes to Dumbledore and Hagrid, plus my information could be incorrect and there are others who stuck up for him. Then that would make this post rather pointless, and hopefully the majority of us are correct when we say that Snape is on the Order's side....
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Nah, you're okay, Wednesday....there are a couple of topics about Snape, but not about this particular topic, so no worries.....
But I think you're right...it does only seem to be Dumbledore and Hagrid who defend Snape. I'm not sure if that's because Hagrid knows what happened to Snape (unlikely, because he's not exactly the best person to entrust with a secret, is he?) or whether it's because he implicitly trusts Dumbledore and if he says that Snape is alright, then that's good enough for Hagrid.
I'm sure that Snape has his reasons for being the way he is and that's what interested me when I started writing my fic really, but I really do think that something so awful happened to him in his past - and that the secret is so potentially damaging - that Dumbledore knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that Snape can be trusted. Yes, he's not exactly the most friendly of chaps, but just because a man lacks social skills, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's a bad person.
I've always had a soft spot for Snape myself, admittedly because of Alan Rickman.....if Snape had been played by David Bradley, then perhaps I wouldn't have had so much sympathy for him...
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Ah, Alan Rickman is what truly drew me to Snape's character.
But, perhaps, Hagrid does know about certain things (like what traumatic or humiliating incidents- besides the one in the pensieve- happened to Snape during his time at school), because he's been a gamekeeper at Hogwarts for more than twenty years and possibly knows a lot about what went/goes on around at Hogwarts.
Yep. Have no idea what point I am attempting to make.
Ah…. Snape. The (sexy, dark, moody) man that has so many mysteries to his name. It's really hard where to start with him isnt it...:
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I'm not sure if that's because Hagrid knows what happened to Snape (unlikely, because he's not exactly the best person to entrust with a secret, is he?) or whether it's because he implicitly trusts Dumbledore and if he says that Snape is alright, then that's good enough for Hagrid.
I think Dumbledore knows of Hagrid’s ‘big mouth’ so he only tells Hagrid things that Harry can no about. I mean its slightly obvious that Dumbledore wanted Harry to be aware of the stone in the first book from all the slip ups Hagrid made…telling them about fluffy, the stone and whatnot so really I think Dana is correct in saying Hagrid trust Dumbledore and so what he trusts Hagrid trusts.
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because he's been a gamekeeper at Hogwarts for more than twenty years and possibly knows a lot about what went/goes on around at Hogwarts.
I think what happen to Snape wasn’t in school…it was defiantly out of school, after he’d left I mean. Severus was tried for something but Dumbledore spoke for him… I do believe that’s got a lot to do with it, maybe Dumbledore saw his potential, new of his good sense of Dada and potions and though to his advantage that Snape work with the order… I mean you could be right but from the facts I do believe Snape was mixed up in something after his ‘school boy’ days and that led him to be how he is…BUT WHAT IS IT ABOUT HIM?…ITS KILLING ME, I WANNA KNOW!!!
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Oooh....so do I!!! Read chapter 13 of 'The Everlasting Day'..... You haven't got to read the whole story for that chapter to make sense really....it's just my take on trying to give Snape a bit of a substantial background that could explain so much of who he is and I'd love to know what you guys think about that....(not so much the story, although you're welcome to do so if you want, but it's more the theories there really....)
I think that it's far more than a schoolboy grudge that drives Snape to behave the way he does to everyone....
And I think there's a very substantial reason why Dumbledore knows for a fact that Snape would never return to the 'Dark' side.... (**Yoda voice** Mmm.....knows much, does that one...hides much he does.... )
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I was looking through Goblet of Fire (for plans on my fanfiction) today in class, and it seems that Sirius doesn't stick up for him either, saying that he 'doesn't know why Dumbledore gave him a job or trusts him', I forgot how the line went, and I'm too lazy to move 11 inches.
I think we have all gathered from fights the pair has had that the reasoning behind Sirius’s and Snape’s dislike is from schoolboy truants and the whole Gryffindor and Slytherin thing. I guess in some ways Snape and Sirius are very much alike…both are hard to get along with and misunderstood in some ways.
Lupin does stick up for good old Snape at times though… (He knows something)
Ha yeah, am sure he’d appreciate it…lol. Of course the thing with Lupin is that Snape doesn’t like him…though this could be because he knows what Dumbledore knows if you get what I mean? Have u ever heard the rumours of Snape o be a Vampire….hehehehehehe
I'm surprised McGonagall does not stick up for Snape. Are you sure? I'll keep my eyes on the lookout because we know Minerva McGonagall is very close to Dumbledore (in the sense that she respects him and would trust him with her life, as Dumbledore said of Snape). In the first book, I think she said something that gave me the idea that she was pretty good friends with Snape. Hmm. But we can see how much of a family the teachers were when they reunited to create obstacles using their talents.
But it would sort of make sense if Professor McGonagall is the head of Gryffindor. Meanwhile, we have Professor Flitwick and Professor Sprout who are respectively the heads of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. So I suppose it's sort of a rivalry, but the teachers are friendly with each other for the most part. Hagrid is just a regular teacher (hmm, is he still teaching?) and Dumbledore is the Headmaster so he should trust his teachers before he hires them.
As for Sirius, both he and Snape are such stubborn people and they refuse to "let bygones be bygones". It's always about them and their past, rather than the future.
(Alan Rickman plays Snape fantastically, he better be the one who sticks with that role!!)
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Have u ever heard the rumours of Snape o be a Vampire
LOL. I've heard of it, but I'm not a believer. . .
Well, the reason why other teachers don't stick up for him is that they aren't in the order, isn't it? No other teacher that doesn't 'stand up for Snape' besides McGonagall is in the Order.
So that begs the question, why doesn't/hasn't McGonagall mentioned anything positive (or negative) about Snape yet as a person?
EDIT: Ooh, maybe I should start a new thread instead of throwing this one off-topic!
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But I think you're right...it does only seem to be Dumbledore and Hagrid who defend Snape. I'm not sure if that's because Hagrid knows what happened to Snape (unlikely, because he's not exactly the best person to entrust with a secret, is he?) or whether it's because he implicitly trusts Dumbledore and if he says that Snape is alright, then that's good enough for Hagrid.
Hagrid trust Snape purely on the basis that DD trusts Snape. And Hagrid is loyal like a dog toward DD.
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Lupin does stick up for good old Snape at times though… (He knows something)
I think part of Lupin's trust was partly due to feeling guilty of what happened during thier school days. Also because Snape didn't spill the beans on Remus until POA
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No, he didn't did he? Aw, he's good old egg really, isn't he? You know, it must have pretty hard for Snape to bite his tongue for that whole year while Lupin was in his face every single day. I mean, it's easy enough to forget about it while Lupin wasn't there, but when he was, it must have been like being forced to work with an old boyfriend 24/7....**shudders** (Although, obviously, their relationship wasn't like that...it was just an example of the type of feeling, you know.... ) Not nice to be reminded of the past......
And he did try to protect the trio in the movie, didn't he? JKR must have known about that to allow it in. If it contradicted something in Snape's character, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have allowed it. It just goes to show that there is a real human being in there somewhere.....dear old Severus just needs a hug to bring it out....
In Defence of Snape, Merged Topic
Nov 28 2004, 06:24 AM
