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I don't know when I saw this, it may have been a recent interview, but JK Rowling said that the four Hogwarts Houses represent the four elements. Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is Earth, and Slytherin is water. Then it hit me, the four mauraders were all of those. James was fire, Sirius was Air, Lupin was Earth, and Wormtail was water. Then it hit again, the four champions were represented by those also. And finally it hit me. Not only are the four elements in here, but so are the elements of life. They are represented in the seven rooms in the department of mysteries, and the seven books, and even now we know, the seven horcruxes. The Brain Room represents our mind and thoughts and feelings, and that is represented in the Sorting Hat, the horcrux that belongs to Gryffindor. The Sorting Hat was in book 1. Book 2 we were introduced to the diary, and this represented the windowless corridor. In book 2, we were in the dark, for the first time, represented by the windowless area, and also the Chamber of Secrets was windowless. More symbolism. Then in book three the element of time was introduced, and I think you'll remember the room of time in the DoM. Also I chose the locket to go with this, particularly because of Hermiones time locket, and how the locket itself represented the past, a big part of time. Then in the fourth book, death was introduced. represented by the veil room, this goes along with the cup. The Goblet of Fire, remember. Also Cedric, a hufflepuff contestant was important, and the cup belonged to a descendant of Helga herself. We continue with book five, which holds the element of future. The prophecy room is connected with book five in an obvious way, and though I can't think of how, the Snake is the horcrux associated with book five. Then in book six, this start to turn back around, and we find that the "circle" that has been drawn all these years between Voldemort and Harry must come to an end. This is represented in the circular room, and in the ring, that incidentaly, was destroyed in book six. The last, book seven, represents the end. The locked room and Voldemort himself, are the horcrux and room associated with this book, so tell me what you think?
Gawd, you certainly got hit with a lot of things ... But seriously, this is loads of symbolism...I live for symbolism ...
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The Brain Room represents our mind and thoughts and feelings, and that is represented in the Sorting Hat, the horcrux that belongs to Gryffindor.
I hadn't even realized this ...I've been in my own little world for the past couple of days, so please don't mind my slowness ... But it does make quite a lot of sense. Only, if the Sorting Hat posessed part of Voldemort's soul, wouldn't it be, ah, more corrupt? Also how would've Voldemort gotten a hold of it in order to perform the 'whatever' making it a horcrux?
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Then in the fourth book, death was introduced. represented by the veil room, this goes along with the cup. The Goblet of Fire, remember. Also Cedric, a hufflepuff contestant was important, and the cup belonged to a descendant of Helga herself. We continue with book five, which holds the element of future. The prophecy room is connected with book five in an obvious way...
I totally get what you're saying here...It's obvious of this symbolism, because it's practically poking our eye out it's so easy to see ... And one more thing:
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The locked room and Voldemort himself, are the horcrux and room associated with this book...
Again, I can see this in book seven, the locked room has something that ties it all together, love, I've read in most theories. I guess we'll have to wait in see... Nice topic, I'm a symbolism nerd ...so this definitely appeals to me ...
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"Feel the rain on your skin/ No one else can feel it for you/ Only you can let it in/ No one else, no one else/ Can speak the words on your lips/ Drench yourself in words unspoken/ Live your life with arms wide open/ Today is where your book begins/ The rest is still unwritten..." -"Unwritten"
i really like this whole symbolism idea, although i don't agree with the sorting hat being the horcrux from gryffindor. dumbledore suggested that the horcruxes might be items from each house, but dumbledore's been around since tom riddle was in school and i feel like he's been taking pretty good care of all things gryffindor. he said himself that the only known relic he's aware of is the sword, and that clearly is not a horcrux. i don't think the sorting hat would be a very "secret" or "safe" thing to have a shard of your soul in.
To be honest I found what you said to be very confusing, and most of it looked to like mumbo jumbo to me. But, I've never been very good with things that people said symbolized other things and even when I do understand I can't think of any case in where I agreed with them, and I don't agree here either.
Wow, you really have a lot of time on your hands. I totally like how some people can make symbolism work, and with authors like Rowling, one can only wonder.
I have been thinking about the Sorting Hat being a Horcrux. I believe that the Sorting Hat belonged to all four founders, not just Gryffindor. I think that Rowling said in an interview that the Sorting Hat plays a big role in the next book. Well, at least when asked, she said "no comment."
Man, I didn't realize how many times I got hit. Surprised I didn't go into concussion! Thanks for reminding me how repetitive some of us can be Aphrodites!!! LOL How would he have gotten it?... I'm not sure, and I don't know about being corrupt...btw- the picture you have is a famous picture called The Birth of Venus, is that supposed to be Aphrodites? I'm a fan of greek mythology and art, and can't believe I don't know that!!!
Yeah your right fizzing whizbee, I guess it would be stupid to have the sorting hat as a horcrux, Now that I think about it, maybe the brain room represents the snake. And then...the last horcrux would deal with something of the future, in the prophecy room.... A good idea. P.S. - Did you like the new Charlie and The Chocolate Movie. I did! I like the Gene Wilder character better than Johnny Depp's though, what about you.
No, I don't have a lot of time actually Auror37. Just a quick thinker! I do think Rowling uses a lot of symbolism, and we just don't realize. It would be good to make complete thread about that in the book section, I'm sure Aphrodite wouldn't mind... I didn't see that comment, I'll have to look it up. Thanks for telling me!! The Sorting Hat was Godric's though, the sorting hat says so in one of his songs, not sure which one?...
Wow those are some interesting ideas you have, and they all seem to fit. But I'm sure that Voldemort most likely found another relic that was from Gryffindor, that is unknown to DD. I am not quite sure what that could be, but I'm sure we will find out in the next book
However, since Slytherins and Gryffindors are "enemies" maybe Voldemort did not want to use a Gryffindor relic as a Horcrux, so he might of used a Ravenclaw relic instead. Who knows, I love the twists and turns in this books, it can keep us busy for the next two years
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Hey, I've just thought of a similar theory...guess just trying to feel smart or something...LOL!
The Sorceror's Stone/Philosopher's Stone was sought after by Voldemort. Voldemort was on Quirrel's head...in relation to the scar being on Harry's head...could his scar be a horcrux? (I believe it, but wouldn't make sense as to why Voldemort is killing him up into the end of OotP when Voldemort possessed Harry, he might have found out his soul was in there...thus producing the knowledge of 8 horcruxes...harry's scar by mistake)
Chamber of Secrets: We learn of the diary, which we now know is a horcrux...though others think that Aragog is/was a horcrux (I don't believe that, but it does make sense. In the thread discussing this possibility, it said that Voldemort might have been practicing, and didn't know better...or might not still)
Prisoner of Azkaban: The concept of Animagi becomes more apparant with Wormtail, Pad Foot, and Prongs. Wormtail gets his hand or arm cut off. That could be a horcrux? (Don't believe that either since Voldemort possibly created his horcruxes long before the event to come in GoF) Could be something else relating to Voldemort. The dementors are continually brought up after this book. They suck up souls (or whatever)...maybe they have one. That would mean he put it in another living thing, a human...not possible...something else relating to Prisoner of Azkaban that could be a horcrux?
Goblet of Fire: The Goblet, as in Helga Hufflepuff's goblet Order of the Phoenix: Snake attacked Arthur Weasley. Was seen by Harry...possibly because of the relating horcruxes...a reason why it would be dangerous to place horcruxes in living things.
Half-Blood Prince: The locket brought up once again (The one maybe from Grimmauld Place)
Yeah, it is interesting. Especially the Snake part... I had forgot about the Mr. Weasley Attack, that could definitely connect to the prophecy room still then!!!
I just want to say, I don't think Voldemort would make a horcrux on mistake, Slughorn said there was an incantation, so Voldemort would have said it, and it would have became. Therefore, I don't think Harry or his scar is a horcrux. Why would Voldemort want to make his "murderer" a horcrux? It makes no sense.
I agree with book 2 and the diary.(Not Aragog, where the heck did people get that idea?)
As I've said before I think the locket, which represents the past, is the item for book 3. In book three we learn an awful lot about the past of Harry's father, and the night the Potters died, and the time turner. The locket, which was the oldest remnant of Slytherin, definitely represents the past
4&5 I agree with
Book 6 I think is the ring though
Book 7 is Voldemort
And I forgot to ask you crsdba, but where were you to comment on the last of my Chapter Poll Chronicles, kermer and I wondered? Do you think I should start one on book 7 or too early?
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I didn't comment because I was moving from Louisiana to Arizona and didn't have the internet available! LOL...didn't even start reading the book until two days later.
Also about the Sorceror's Stone/Philosopher's Stone...its a possesive noun...POSSESSIVE...
I have no idea where people came up with Aragog either. I think it might have to do with when Tom Riddle/Voldemort found out about the horcruxes and he practiced one on Aragog...with the death coming from Mrytle (killed her through the snake...NOT MY THEORY!)
Some people have said you make the incantation before you do the murder. What if Voldemort did do it, with the intention on placing the horcrux in one of their possessions...who knows!? What are your other takes on the other horcruxes. You said you were wrong about the sorting hat...have any more ideas?
At least two years until the next book comes out...everybody wanting to read it...I think you should go ahead and do the chapter poll chronicles...but you might have to change it up, she might give clues like she gave for HBP
If placing horcruxes in living things took place, could they see eachother...Harry saw through the eyes of the snake...the snake might be a horcrux...snake and Harry can see through eachother. Snake is being controlled by Voldemort but has no idea about Harry being a horcrux until the end of the Order of the Phoenix when he possessed Harry (he might have found one there when we are to believe that it was love that forced him out). Therefore, Aragog might not be one after all, since Harry never had a vision with him in it, or him being the spider...or acromantula...Hard to explain. Its like the horcruxes in living things can interact with eachother through visions or "outer body experiences". Remember, Voldemort left a piece of him in Harry...Possibly never realized this, at least until OotP which would explain why he would try to kill him...the end of HBP Snape told the death eater that Harry is for Voldemort (someone mentioned that Voldemort could be trying to figure out how to get the horcrux out of Harry)...then there would still be another out there (the Gryffindor/Ravenclaw relic...unless Harry is the Gryffindor relic (heir? though JKR said he wasn't...?)) Maybe the Potters had one at their house, which interested Voldemort even more for attacking them...despite the prophecy...which could be another reason why he didn't go after Neville.
the sorting hat had trouble placing him in Slytherin or Gryffindor...Go look at the thread about Snape and Voldemort being related...OF COURSE.......I FORGOT ABOUT THE RING
New theory for the Seven Four AND More Seven New Teachers...one a year... 1.Quirrel seems relatively new, not brand new...but at least two years there at Hogwarts. Brings up the possession topic again...Harry's scar as a horcrux (I cant dissuade that theory...) 2.Lockheart: Full of lies...like a book...the diary 3.Lupin: Your time theory...the locket stays here 4.Moody/Crouch,Jr.:Snake (Crouch,Jr. was sort of seeing through the eyes of Moody...like Harry seeing through the eyes of the snake) 5.Umbridge or Firenze:???????Goblet...LOL 6.Slughorn: the meeting he had where he discussed Horcruxes with Tom Riddle...ring is present...the ring is that horcrux...or will be... 7.safe to say that its Voldemort...
BUT if Harry is accidental then there would have to be another somewhere. HOWEVER, Voldemort might have created the incantation prior to attacking the Potters...he was defeated (not killed, just beaten) by Harry...the rebounding came into effect with the horcrux???
Quirrel had the appearance of being something he wasn’t. And you know what, I’m going to return to the Sorting Hat. Its something that seems harmless, and perhaps nothing to the naked eye. But in reality I think it’s the last horcrux. As for how Voldemort attained it, I would not be sure. Perhaps he had Dippet show it to him, during the death of Myrtle. Perhaps Myrtles death provided the Sorting Hat as a horcrux Gilderoy Lockhart had modified a bunch of memory’s and in turn had his removed. I believe the diary was described as “a memory preserved.” Lupin showed Harry a lot about his past, and since the locket was captured by R.A.B., and Harry still tried to catch it, shows the “past-ness” of the locket. We cannot turn back time. This is shown by the locket and Lupin Mad Eye Moody also had the outward appearance of a nice person, but he was really a bad guy. This is similar to how a cup can hold drinks. Helga’s Cup again. Umbridge had a cunning personality represented by the snake No idea how the ring comes with Slughorn.
Those are good ideas crsdba!!! I wish I would have something more to add right now….
P.S. - Oh, well congratulations on your moving!!! I hope your enjoying yourself. Arizona is a great place to be!!! It doesn't matter that you didn't comment though. Everything I guessed was wrong, everything!!! It was fun though
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I know, everyone, or almost everyone assumed Felix was a person...and the mirrors would be explained more along with the veil...oh well!
What I meant by the ring...Harry noticed the ring on Voldemort's finger while he was talking to Slughorn (really didn't have to do with a logical theory or anything, just a visual...you know...you can actually see the ring...YEAH!) He (Slughorn) surrounded himself with famous people, heir of Slytherin whether he knew it or not...Slughorn just thought that Tom Riddle was very gifted...I have no idea about the ring either LOL.
The more I think about it, the more I'm siding with you on the Sorting Hat. Mrytle was that murder, you're right, which lead the creation of the horcrux which was placed in the Sorting Hat. Those who might back, and those who I have joined, in the theory that Harry's scar is an accidental horcrux might agree with this: A part of Voldemort is in Harry, him being an accidental horcrux. The Sorting Hat was confused because another part of the heir of Slytherin's soul had "reunited" temporarily.
BUT those who argue that the Slytherin house only contains Pure Bloods as fact from the song in OotP, might wonder how Snape got in there. Check out the Snape and Voldemort thread...discussion if Snape is Voldemort's son. They say he never had time to have children...nor the desire...If Slytherin only takes pure bloods, and Snape is half-blood, then how did he get in? Same way Harry was ALMOST placed in. Either Snape had a piece of Voldemort's soul OR he is his son. I can't be sure if I agree on this theory... though Tobias Snape might just be a step-father...I KNOW...DIFFERENT THREAD...LOL
OR Salazar Slytherin just found out he was half-blood and thats what that agrument was about....which would bypass the pure blood thing...
SS/PS:Hat...agree with El Verte Veritas...but I still think that Harry's scar is accidental
CoS: Agree about the diary
PoA: Agree abou the locket
GoF: Agree about the goblet but can you explain more?
OotP: Agree about the snake
HBP: The ring...fits here...but I'm not sure because of my reasons! Goes well with your original explanation about the circular room in the DoM
last: Voldemort
that means 8...but maybe whats in Harry is something completly different...if it is, then how could he see through the eyes of the snake? I'm confusing myself
Oh yeah...the last known relic of Gryffindor's was the sword, I guess the hat belonged to all four....but it is still a relic...just not Gryffindor's
Hey, crsdba. Sorry I haven't gotten to replying, theres a page on the people that Voldemort killed for the horcruxes, I think you'll find interesting btw...
Anyhow...
The hat did belong to Gryffindor himself originally.
Quote from Sorting Hat:
'Twas Gryffindor who found the way, He whipped me off his head.
So the hat itself did belong to Gryffindor.
Also...
I really dunno what I was saying about the cup representing Crouch Jr., it makes no since to myself. Although it was him who put the name in the "goblet". So theres kind of a connection.
I think Harry saw himself through the Snake because Voldemort did put a bit of himself in Harry. And there is a little of Voldemort in Nagini.
I don't think he's the horcrux though, as I said before, I don't think you can make a horcrux on accident...
okay, i'm bad at figuring out symbolism, so here's a little more for you to work with.
It SS/PS there were 7 tasks to go through to get to the Stone. 1) Fluffy 2) Devil's Snare 3) Flying Keys 4) Chess Game 5) Troll 6) Potions 7) The Mirror
wouldnt' each of these tasks also have connections to the seven rooms at the DoM?
Numerology in HP, Merged thread- 7: powerful number
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