In the GoF movie after the second task as Crouch Sr. is talking to Harry walking off the dock they run into Moody (Croush Jr.) Moody is asking Sr. if he is talking Harry into a internship after Hogwarts and says something like "the last boyo who went in there neve came back out" and Crouch Sr. had a look of disgust on his face and then if you watch Moody he flicks his tongue (snake-like way Crouch Jr. always did) and Crouch Sr's expression turns to utter shock and he walks away with Moody smiling and shortly after he is found dead

I thought during this book Sr. was under the imperius curse if he was he wouldnt have been shocked at the tongue thing and if he was fighting the effects I doubt Crouch Jr. would be smiling


doesnt really matter much I just thought it was kind of fun

mmm. the whole imperius idea with crouch snr was a bit out of wack. i could be wrong, but i didn't think that he was put under the curse for a fair while into the book, because at the Quidditch world cup was where crouch jnr first broke free, then i thought it was a little bit before they actually had to put Snr under the curse. hmm, i'm a little confused. i hate not having my books with me.

in the movie, he seems very under the curse at the start, talking about the tournament in the great hall. but then other times, he just seems normal.

that bit about him shocked at the tongue licky thing is right before the bit where he turns up dead, isn't it? so maybe he was breaking free of the curse at that point, therefore he died. but yeah, still, wouldn't he know that it was Jnr?

something else interesting i picked up in that scene, probably meaning nothing, was that "moody" says : "not trying to lure potter into one of the ministry's summer internships are ya? last boy who went into the Department of Mysteries never came out!"

Department of Mysteries? we don't learn anything of substance about that til the fifth book. and whats this about the boy "never" coming out?

my mum just thought it was nothing, just to make it sound more impressive. but i reckon there could be connotations behind it. what do you all reckon?

I'll have to rewatch the movie again
I thought he said Ministry and not Mysteries

as for the Imperius curse thing
he was under the curse after the Quidditch cup but before Harry returned to Hogwarts

Voldemort put him under the curse when Jr. fired the Dark Mark off at the Quidditch Cup and Sr. locked him in the basement

Bertha Jorkins found out that Jr. was locked in the basement and Sr. put her under a memory charm wich Voldemort broke found one of his most faithful servants and went straight to the house when they got there Sr. was put under the Imperius curse and they made a plot to send Jr. to Hogwarts

I don't think that the Imperius curse is ever brought up in the movie, if I remember correctly. A lot of things change from the books to the movies, as I'm sure you all know. So the director probably chose not to add in the part about Crouch Sr. being under the imperius curse, therefore during the movie he would have been startled when he saw 'Moody' do his little tongue twitch thing, because not being under the curse, he fully comprehended what he had just seen.

Mad eye (crouch jr) said that the last boy who went in the department of mysteries never came out, and yes he did that tongue thing

Crouch sr proabally thought that this was disgusting cause they are talking about crouch sr's son who is crouch jr as mad eye moody, so in a way crouch jr is just trying to bring a good amount of guilt to his father

and then he kills him

and the whole imperious curse thing was not in the movie, he was never under it in the movie but was in the books

for this topic i really wanna say that ,i must read the book again very carefully ar watch the movie,than i m able to tell the truth ,i hope [u] you don't mind

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No, Crouch Sr. being under the Imperious Curse was never mentioned in the movie. I think his reaction to "Moody's" tongue flick was possible recognition that his person was his son, not the man he was pretending to be.

Another thing that kinda has been bothering me is a carry-over from PoA. The origin of the Marauders Map is never mentioned, so the identities of Messers Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs is not revealed. However, we begin GoF with Voldemort referring the Peter Pettigrew as "Wormtail". That must be very confusing to anyone who has seen the movies but not read the books.

Lore

Actually, George's Girl, the Department of Mysteries was mentioned in the fourth book. I noticed it a few years ago, only after I read OotP. I suggest you read GoF again.

Not trying to sound like an insufferable know-it-all; the Department of Mysteries was mentioned in the book, yes, but we're talking about the movies here. Lots of stuff from the books didn't make it too the movies, causing confusion for people who haven't read the books.

yer ... good point, but the toungue thing was good .. it gave us a clue, but i never relised, first time i watched it, that Moody was using polyjuice potiona dn was really Crouch Jr.

The movie did an entirely different take on the Crouch Jr./Sr. take.

Book

Jr. is considered to be dead, when in fact he has been smuggled out of Azkaban by Sr., and is at home with Sr. under an imperius cloak.

Movie

Jr. is considered to be a Prisoner in Azkaban Prison and Sr. is quite content to have his son there.


Book

Jr. is at the QWC with Winky and steals Harry's wand.

Movie

Jr. is at the QWC just to cause some trouble. He's perfectly free to come and go as he pleases.


Book

Bertha Jorkins accidentally discovers the Crouchs' secret which inadvertantly leads to her demise as Wormtail trips on her and LV discovers and breaks the memory charm.

Movie

Bertha Jorkins?


Book

Crouch Sr. starts not turning up for tasks (like Task 2 where Percy shows up to judge) and he's having some serious issues. What has actually happened is that he is now under the Imperius -- and has been ever since start of year as Jr. has taken the place of Moody. Sr must be under the Imperius or he would have reported that Jr. was not actually dead as previously believed.

Movie

It is very apparent that Sr. is not aware that his son is no longer in Azkaban. He recognizes his son just after Task 2


Book

There is a lot of Harry trying to figure out why Barty Crouch (assumed Sr.) is in and out of Hogwarts so much when he's supposed to be at home sick.

Movie

This is never noticed...instead they beat us over the head with Polyjuice Potion.


Book

When Sr. fights the Imperius curse, he come to Hogwarts to find Dumbledore. Jr. finds out and kills Sr, then transfigures the body into a bone and buries it.

Movie

We don't know how Jr. kills Sr., but he just leaves the corpse there to be discovered.


The whole line with the Imperius and the Crouchs was completely removed, so the recognition of Jr really can't adequately be compared to the book. It isn't that we missed something in the script--it's that they didn't put it there.

Cat

This doesnt really have anything to do with the imperius curse like that or nothing. I also dont think this has anything really important, but after the second task, Hermione is congratulating Harry, when Harry tells her that he took last. The she responds " you took next to last" then after that she says "Fleur never got past the grindylows" and she says that part in some sort of a French accent.

A valid point but that movie was so screwed up anyways... -.-
I noticed that and thought about it at first but was quickly concerned with other oddities... the tongue flick was kind of weird lol.

When I went to see it in the movies I didn't notice but I did after a couple of times. I think Crouch Sr. noticed that's why he went away. Guess what we didn't even get to see his lunatic side *goes to cry*

i noticed the same thing. it got me very confused. i guess the books arent like the movies.

Like what someone said earlier, the Imperius Curse wasn't really instilled in Crouch's character in the movie like in the book. The scriptwriter, director, etc. probably didn't put it in the movie because of how much time it would take to "explain" it, especially to those audience members who don't read the books (shame on them). I think Crouch's reaction to Moody (aka Crouch Jr.) is significant to the movie because it reminds him of his son. It would not have worked, however, if they decided to stick with the book and have Crouch under the Imperius Curse, if that makes any sense.

I honestly don't remember that part, but I will watch it over and look for it. That is a mighty clue that the producers added in there. A bit of foreshadowing never hurt. We who read the books first get the pleasure of spotting these foreshadowing out before the movie is over. Must've missed this one. I saw a few other ones like this...

would it be alright if i didn't notice? it's been awhile since i read the book and i don't always remember ALL the details like every normal person. but also i don't really think that the director and screenwriter stuck to the book as well as in the other three movies, so that could possibly be the reason.

huhhhhhhh well this was the worst book made into movie i have ever seen and i am a die hard harry fan i mean it didnt go any thing like the book i mean honestly how can u keep 3 main caracters out of the entire book

Everything you have just said I totally agree with. GoF was srewed up.

I did notice the 'error.' However, I do not consider it one. They cut out the entire part of Barty Crouch being held by his father. They did not even say that he died in Azkaban. Instead, it appears they radically altered the plot in order to save time. Apparently, in the movies, Barty Sr. let his son stay in Azkaban. The tongue flick let him know his son escaped, which is why Barty Jr. killed him.

I noticed this as well, but you have to realize that even if he they did it remotely like the book, Mr. Crouch wasn't supposed to be there, he was supposed to be "sick" and percy was to fill in for him. He wasn't supposed to die until right before the third task, and they ESPECIALLY weren't supposed to find him. That's just how they thought it should go though.