I don't think in the movie versions of HP that the relationship between harry and sirius was portrayed as deep as it was in the books. therefor, to the population that hasn't read the books, and only watched the movies, they won't understand what kind of loss harry really sufferd. and also, in the goblet of fire, i think they focusd way to much on the triwizard tournament. that was just a minor part of the book in comparison to the ammount of plot that JK had intended the viewer to be aware of. I hope i'm not alone in this and would love to get feed back.

I'm sure they'll focus a lot on Sirius in movie five during the Number Twelve Grimmauld Place scenes. Maybe they'll show him growing closer to Sirius. As for the Triwizard Tournament, you can't blame them. It's Hollywood, and they had to emphasize it if they wanted regualr (non-readers) to come see the movie.

I don't think they've demonstrated the relationship very deeply either. Even though you don't see Sirius much in Goblet of Fire, I would've thought he would've been in the movie a bit longer than that fireplace scene. But as priori_incantatem said, their relationship will be more emphasized in Order of the Phoenix -- it's one of the most major plotlines in the movie and book.

yeah i hope you guys are right the movies just wouldnt be the same unless they showed how much sirus/harry ment to each other. its such an emotional time for harry, the death of sirius and it wont come out that way in OotP because they didnt build much on there relationship in GoF...im praying it'll work though!!

They will need to focus a whole lot on Sirius in Movie 5 if they want to accurately portray his relationship with Harry. I completely agree. Otherwise, no one will cry at the end of OoTP Movie when Sirius dies! I was a freakin wreck in the book!

I agree with the majority of you. I think that the relationship between Harry and Sirius in the previous movie (PoA) was rather minimal. I'm almost one hundred percent positive that Sirius will play a much bigger role in the OotP film. It's afterall, the year where everything starts to make sense.

Priori is right on the ball. I think that GoF was more for show than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I loved it, but when you think about it enough, you begin to realize that there are so many variations to interpret a book. (Especially when it comes to intricate books like HP). I suppose that the producers at Hollywood interpreted the plot as revolving around the Tri-Wiz Tournament and then simply a bit about the romance and relationship between the characters.

But what can you do, the box-office is in love with it. Every fan I know is in love with it. Jo was pleased. That's good enought for me, eh.

Sirius will have a larger part in the next installment from the famed Hollywood, I can just about garauntee it.

Personally, having just watched all four of the films over the last couple of nights, have come to the conclusion that the first two films depict the world of Hogwarts and Harry Potter, to me, a lot better than the latest two.

For me, Philosopher's Stone and Chamber of Secrets show Hogwarts as I imagined it, before the films even came out. Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire don't quite do the same.

When the first two films came out, Harry Potter had a kind of novelty to it. There were all different products coming out, like the Fizzing Whizbees and the Every Flavour Beans. Nowadays, that has worn off immensely, and we don't see that stuff floating around anymore.

Joanne wrote the books for children, especially the first few, but the movies seem to be gradually targeting an adult audience.

Well, we can thank the last two directors for that, and because of the darkening of the series, I don't think we can expect it to ever return to that childlike fantasy, which seems to be Chris Columbus's specialty. Now, since SS/PS was the first in the series and (to Harry) was a whole new experience, it needed that "wide-eyed" novelty that was there. However, PoA clearly focuses on deeper things than the exterior, and by this time Harry (and the readers) are used to the idea of a magical school in the middle of nowhere. And of course, each book hones in on a newer, deeper concept. But I do agree with you MarcA. I wish they would (or could?) go back to the child-like feeling from before.

To be honest, after all that, Alfonso's Prisoner of Azkaban is actually my favourite out of the current four, but the first two are still 'my idea' of Harry Potter.

Maybe if the same director, for example Alfonso had directed all the films, maybe they would all fit together nicely.

Well, this is kanda offtopic to your question but I'll answer the question of the headline... I don't exactly think that the films do justice to the books but they're good films even though i can't help comparing them to the books.

And now to reply a little to your actual question: -I don't know how they portrait Sirius in the OotP but emotions arer really hard to film unless you put in a monologe in the head of someone but I really didn't have any great problems seeing Harry emotions towards Sirius whenever he's mentioned in the GoF movie...

i think that JKRs books are so complex that is must be very hard to make a movie from such a global phenomomen

i think the films do do the books justice, however i think that the last 2 films have wavered off what harry potter was really created for

i think the films had to get darker (JKR said 1 of the main themes was death)

i know everyone said that the time turner scene in PoA didnt furfill the books interpretation, but i loved that bit, so i guess it is just how different people see their own hogwarts and how close the director gets to portraying that on screen

i have to say i was a bit disappointed by how much of the stories are cut out of the films, but i suppose it must be done otherwise they'd go on for about 4 hours!

the actors they picked to portray the characters do a great job and i just hope they stick with it until the final film, i really dont know who'd they replace dan, emma, or rupert with.

is it just me, or now that you've seen the films, do you picture the characters from the movies when you're re-reading the books? i find it really hard not to! cant wait to see how umbridge is portrayed in GoF, but the casting has been really good so far, so it should be worth waiting for.

i agree the first two did show most of the book but i do think that GoF was good also! i mean it must have been really hard to choose what stayed and what didn't! imagine if they would have put everything in the movie would have been way to long! so i loved the GoF it's my favorite book and it's my favorite movie! it was ok!
the one i realy didn't like at all was PoA it was horrible! they hardly included anything from the book! it was a horrible film for me. i also agree that they should have included sirius a lot more in GoF to show the great bond harry and sirius had so it will be sadder to see him die in OotP

No the movies don't help us out a lot. They can't make it really accurate without money. So they alter and mix it up. I still enjoy the movies, but I will stick with the books in the long run. They keep me going to the end.

I think the books will always beat the movies, that's a no brainer. But what i do think the books do the movie justice because their a tool. I have many friends who have watched the movies and enjoyed them, never reading the books. I have been able to use the movies as a tool to say oh you so have to read this, it's so much better. THere is so much more to them. they like this better than getting this is nothing like the book or thats not how it went, non book readers hate that and get turned off by it. but changing it to the other way makes them want to pick up the books and before you know it another Potterfreak is born.

I think that the movies could add at least a little bit more information to them. Like in the GOF movie third task they took out the sphinx the wierd upside-down haze and a couple other small things that would hav made it more interesting.

In someone's eyes, yes, but for those die-hard fans, no. We know where the true genius lies, and the movies are just a rip-off of them, though highly enjoyable to many. So no, not really.

I don't think any person who has ever read a book that has been turned into a movie can ever say that the movie does the book justice. Take a look at the Count of Monte Cristo. Everything was changed.

The first two movies of Harry Potter did the books justice beyond belief. The third one, no way. The maruaders weren't ever explained even. Everything was changed. The 4th one didn't either. Too much change, not enough story, too much action.

I think the first 2 were good, the last two, nol. I am hoping the 5th one will be better to the storyline.

For me the short answer is yes and no

The movie marries with the book when it sticks to the program. However the movie tends to add little bits that often frustrate true fans especially the little blue bird that always gets it in GOF. On the other hand, the added bit when Harry was flying buckbeak over the lake was just fantastic in the movie.

I have to admit, some of the book tends to frustrate me when it goes on and on. The movie therefore eliminates some of the waffling but adds bits of its own. See, I told you I couldn't make my mind up.

Simple answer - yes and no

mrs hagrid

I don't think the movies did the books justice. The first two films were ok, there was no vital information left out. However, in POA and GOF I don't think we saw enough of the relationship between Harry and Sirius, and I felt that important parts of Voldemort's speech at the end of GOF were left out. I was really disappointed with GOF, the scenes moved too quickly and we didn't see enough of the Quidditch World Cup etc. I also felt that when Dumbledore was questioning Harry over whether or not he had put his name in the Goblet of Fire, that he was too forceful, much unlike the calm, kind Dumbledore we see in the books. But that's just my opinion.

I was just wondering if anyone else out there had the thought that the book may have a different ending than the films. It just seems to me that in the book, Snapes character is a little more harsh than in the films. In the films, he seems to kind of care about Harry and in the book, Snape seems to truly hate Harry......
I have wanted to ask this for a while and since I am so new here I have been trying to get all the rules down. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong area.

Yay! First to post! I haven't really thought of that before. The other films seem to have a similar ending to the books. But this film could be different. I could picture a dozen ways for this film to end. And since the director always seem to be changing, cutting, or adding things anyway...it could be a possibility. As for Snape, i also noticed that he is much harsher in the book than in the films. This could be for many different reason though. It could be because they don't want to scare the little kiddies who are too young to read the books. Or it could be a time thing as for the extra mean lines in the script. I think as the movies progress we will definitely see a nastier side of Snape.

I've thought that maybe the books and the films will eventually have a different ending also. Now, if I had to put money on it, I'd bet that the films will remain true to the books right to the very end regardless, and I think that Warner Bros changing the ending the Harry Potter from what J.K Rowling is very unlikely, but of course, it's still a possibility.

I do get what you're saying about Snape in the books compared to the films, but I also kinda think that that comes down to the films having to leave less to the imagination apposed to the books. The books are very subtle about Snape's good side, because books can be, whereas films really have to get the point of things because the audience sees what they see, for readers though, the author can play and munipulate the imagination very subtilely, a good author that is, and I think J.K Rowling is a very good author.

I think the Snape character is the same in the books and the films, but more obvious in the films apposed to the books. J.K Rowling has been consultated throughout the filming of the films and I'm sure she would have apposed any character change of Severus Snape that might have developed throughout the films.

I think the books and films may have different endings because they have to make it suit the differences of book and film. It's hard to explain... i mean to say if the book has an ending that isn't that great to end a film on it wont look good in the cinemas. If you understand me.

I have also noticed Snape seems a lot more thoughtful to Harry but J.K supervises the films to heay so she can't be to bothered about it.

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in some cases the movies do the books justice and in some cases it doesn't.but anyhoo,i love both the movies and the book.

I've never thought the movies did the books justice, but it's just not in the nature of movies to do these types of books justice. For one thing there's too much story and too much detail that really adds to the plot and it can't all be included in the length of a movie. The other thing is that these books are made better by the fact they rely so much on our imagination and I'm afraid that seeing things on screen just doesn't compare to being able to imagine them.

I agree. The books are far too detailed and there's such a long plot that it would be confusing not to tone it down a little for the movies. I've never really taken to the movies, but can sometimes understand why they don't do the books any justice. Also, when you read a book before seeing a movie, you tend to set expectations for the movie, which most of the time, aren't met. I think this happened to most of the movies for me.

In some sense it does, others they changed a few things around. I will say that the 2 movies that were done to justice perfectly was the Sorceres Stone and Chamber of secrets. Then afterwards it just got more special effect and waht not. I like them I have no problem. but apparently many do have a problem

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justice. The reason being
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so i guess it is just how different people see their own hogwarts and how close the director gets to portraying that on screen

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I agree. I don't think the movies do the book justice. They make mistakes on something that was stated clearly in the book because they think the girl might look better in pink than the color the outfit should have been. And plus, everyone has a different thought on how the relationships should be, what their clothing should look like, or what major scenes look like. For me, I don't think the movies will ever or could ever match the books magical effect on people.

i was discussing this yesterday with my Grandad. I don't think the movies do the books justice at all so what I though of was that someone could invent these glasses or something that you put on and then whatever you see in your mind is projected onto this hologram or screen. So, if you were reading the books for example then what you saw in your head e.g, The Battle of Hogwarts, would come up on thescreen s you imnagined it. You could then make it a movie and hey presto you have something that does do the HP books justice.

One day...and when that day comes WB will be put out of buisness because the people who know what the film is meant to be like will have made it properly. Muahahahaha. Oh and the quality of the image varies on the power of your imagination.

How cool would that be?

For the most part the movies are ok and get the main plot right, the only one I didn't like was GOF, for the reason that Barty Crouch Jr. wasn't given the dementor's kiss on-screen or even mentioned to have. His essentially dying in the fourth book is the entire reason that the fifth book is possible, if the ministry waited to question him before giving him the kiss they would have no choice but to admit Harry is right about Voldemort and therefore you have no Dolores Umbridge coming to Hogwarts calling Harry a liar and Sirius probably wouldn't have died because he'd be a free man. I mean it is presumed that Barty Crouch is alive and kicking at the end of the fourth movie, so unless the ministry of magic refuses to question criminals, then it doesn't make sense.

The first two books were rather short and it was possible to fit them into a normal length movie. Book 3 was a bit longer and they had to cut some of the story out (like Harry getting the Firebolt for Christmas and having it confiscated). Movies for books 4 and 5 were very choppy because of aqll the stuff that had to be left out or cut out.

Well the first two are more closer to the books than the others. POA was adapted fairly to the book, in my opinion. GOF and OOTP somehow didn't seem to do much justice to the books.

GOF was too heavily action based and they did not have stress and tension in it nor did they show much of Sirius's state.They seem to have forgotten all about what happened in the third one. Dobby was not even in it.

OOTP was very dry and went too fast, once again in my opinion. This one should have been more sad and depressing. Instead it was dry, boring, and irritating. Some emotions bled through to me, but hardly.

In the beginning of HBP Harry is shown flirting with a muggle girl. Just weeks had passed since Sirius's death and is this the way the real Harry would behave, laughing and flirting with an unknown muggle girl. No relationship or feeling are correctly portrayed in the last three films.

Personaly I´m pleased with how the movies turn out.

There are a lot off things the books do a lot better though like Harry´s break up with Cho in OOTP(It´s like after the kiss the filmmakers didn´t care anymore and just threw Cho out of the movie).

Occationally there are times in most HP movies when they stretch things out a little too much like the first task or aunt Marge blowing up into a baloon(altough i must admitt it was kind off funny).

There are times though when the movies do put a smile on my face like the tent in Gof that´s bigger on the inside than it looks or the mini Horntail dragon in Fred and Georges shop warming popcorn.
It´s moments like that which mean the most too me and really makes me remember why I loved the books in the first place, their sense of detail.

I think they do an excellent job of the movies. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Mike Newell's Goblet of Fire or either of Chris Columbus' films but I know that I, along with many other fans and critics, would not be able to do a better job directing the movie. The directors have every right to change things and add in a little scene of their own. The movies are based on the books and even if they included every scene, exactly as it is in the book, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a better movie. all the negativity towards David Yates, for that particular reason, is really annoying!

To be honest...I like the movies, only because they bring the wizarding world to life and we get the chance to see it being lived.

But I think some of the movies totally destroy the books. There are some HP movies that I LOVE and others that I'm really disappointed with! I just don't understand how the films add their own scenes not in the book, change scenes around completely and leave out some of the most exciting things in the books!

Dawn

I agree with that. Only the anticipation is worth it because the HP mania is alive again, even for a few months. Not to mention that, just like you said, we are able to see the wizarding world come to life for a couple of hours. Harry Potter movies always get me excited, no matter how horrible they end up being. I always feel nostalgic when they end and wonder why this world isn't real.

But to be fair, the movies don't do the books justice, and never will. It's one thing reading 500 pages about Harry and another seeing half of them in a big screen. Everyone builds their own images inside their heads, and our standards can never be met, even if JKR herself made the movie. I'm glad they made the movies though, because without them, the HP craze would have died long ago. As long as there is a movie to be released, fans will be excited and ready to discuss old theories and discover new stuff!

The movies don't do the books justice simply because it's practically impossible to successfully transfer a 500+ page novel into a movie that isn't unbearably long. Without the books the movies would probably be better but the expectations you have for the movies because of the books makes it much harder to really enjoy the movie. A lot of times movies can ruin the books... I kinda like before you see the film adaptation that you can imagine everything the way you want to... like how the characters look, the settings, etc. After the movie whenever you think about the character or read about them you see the character the way they appear in the movies not your original mental image of what the character should look like.