merlin89
Sep 2 2004, 04:29 PM
dan told in interview that parseltongue is real language but called something else in real life. Does anyone know what is is really called?
Louise
Sep 2 2004, 04:52 PM
Oh darn it...I'm so mad...I've read about this in one of JKR's transcripts somewhere and I can't find it now.....
I'm pretty sure that 'parseltongue' is a very old term used to describe someone who had a slight speech impediment, someone who was born with a hare lip or cleft pallet, something like that. Obviously, people can't really talk to snakes, so I don't think that this has anything to do with 'snake language'. As far as I can recall, JKR just used that now defunct word to describe the 'snake language' with a term that sounded a bit more mysterious!
BellatrixBlack
Sep 6 2004, 05:32 PM
I never knew it was even based on a real laungage. But that is pretty cool if it is.
realbullet
Sep 15 2004, 01:47 AM
Since we're on the subject--
in SS/PS when Harry talked to the snake at the zoo, why didn't everyone hear his parsel tongue?
zyra123
Sep 15 2004, 04:53 AM
| QUOTE (realbullet @ Sep 15 2004, 01:47 AM) |
Since we're on the subject--
in SS/PS when Harry talked to the snake at the zoo, why didn't everyone hear his parsel tongue? |
I think maybe because...
1. There's nobody around him close enough to hear him...I mean, Dudley and Piers are getting bored when the snake just coiled up there (can't say 'sat' now, can I? since snake don't have feet...lol) and they moved away from the tank...
2. When they (Dursleys and Piers) get there and watch with awe at the snake and the glass dissapear, the snake did say something to Harry like 'thanks, amigo' or something but Harry didn't reply with anything which is unlike in the movie where he said 'anytime' (I think...)...but I guess nobody would notice him since they're all too busy trying to get Dudley out of the tank! Now, that's a big laugh there.

Would that answer you?
doomed_renascence
Sep 16 2004, 01:10 AM
It's sort of a long shot, but probably because only wizards/witches can hear parseltongue? They might not understand it if they can't speak it themselves, but at least hear it. I dunno, just a guess =P But zyra has really good points too
zyra123
Sep 16 2004, 01:39 AM
Yeah, that could be another reason too! Being a wizard/witch to hear any spoken parseltongue...hmmm...Good-spot there doomed...
realbullet
Sep 17 2004, 01:55 AM
I did consider those points, but when you notice the snake leaving the tank, the zoo is filled with people. So it's not like no one is around to hear him.
zyra123
Sep 17 2004, 07:46 AM
| QUOTE (realbullet @ Sep 17 2004, 01:55 AM) |
| I did consider those points, but when you notice the snake leaving the tank, the zoo is filled with people. So it's not like no one is around to hear him. |
Yeah, there's a lot of people around him but I guess people are just to busy screaming, getting out of the way of the snake than to notice that Harry had actually spoken to tha snake. I mean it's not normal to be talking to snake so other people might not notice...and then there's the Dursleys who's too busy getting Dudley and Piers out than to listen too...
Sally-Anne Perks
Sep 19 2004, 03:29 PM
Something else with parseltongue...in the second book/movie, several times, Harry hears the voice (of the basilisk) speaking in the walls, but none of the others can hear it, or, in fact, anything. Wouldn't everyone else hear hissing? And if they did, wouldn't that help Hermione to figure it out a lot faster?
zyra123
Sep 19 2004, 06:00 PM
Are you implying that even witch/wizard couldn't hear the hissing of parseltougue? As with muggle, they can't hear what had conversed between Harry and the boa constrictor? Then, how come in the dueling club demo all the them can hear Harry hissing to the snake?
My guess is that it has something to do with Basilisk itself. Maybe witch/wizard who can speak parseltougue can hear them behind the walls, otherwise they can only hear it if they come face to face with it...and it's different with ordinary snakes...both parselmouth and witch/wizard can only hear them hissing when facing them directly...and not within the walls...
LOL, that's confusing!!
lawks_fuster
May 25 2005, 12:59 PM
i really don't have any idea about the real name for snake language!
i'm sorry for that mate!
anyways, i knew snake language as parseltongue!
Quality Quidditch Supplies
May 25 2005, 06:18 PM
PS/SS: Piers does notice. He says so in the car after he and Dudley calmed down and stopped swearing that it had tried to eat them whole. He was just only one of the family that noticed; I'm sure that there were others, but one was all that was needed for the story.
CoS: I don't think anyone connected Harry's voices with the hissing in the pipes. After all, the Hogwarts pipes are old, and old plumbing makes some pretty weird noises; believe me, I know.

So hissing and creaking and all other things are bound to be at least a little common. Common enough not to be something to talk about. And not something to connect with voices, as Harry was complaining about. Unless you knew there was a snake on the loose, it would be like 2+?=?. Not many people could come up with four.
Hope this helps....
Tuitus
May 27 2005, 03:59 PM
I know this is sort of missplaced, being in the first two films section,

but there is one example from the books of what a parseltongue conversation sounds like to an ordinary person.
| QUOTE (Goblet of Fire @ Chapter 1, pgs. 12 & 13) |
| The second man's voice changed. He started making noises such as Frank never heard before; he was hissing and spitting without drawing breath. Frank thought he must be having some sort of fit or seizure.---Inside the room, the cold voice was continuing to hiss, and Frank was visited by a strange idea, an impossible idea...This man could talk to snakes.---As he stood there shaking and trying to master himself, the cold voice switched abruptly to English again. |
So when Piers Polkiss heard Harry, he most likely witnessed Harry and the boa, face-to-face, hissing and spitting without drawing breath.
When Harry confronted Draco's conjuration, the snake did not respond, meaning the whole club heard Harry shout in a hiss.
I agree with QQS that people probably did hear the cold register from Slytherin's basilisk, but made a mundane presumption that the old pumbling was the culprit.
Would it be beneficial for Harry to develop his Parselmouth ability?
Quality Quidditch Supplies
May 27 2005, 07:27 PM
Well it probably wouldn't help his popularity. It's probably not common knowledge that he's a parseltongue, since it hasn't come up since CoS, and like Ron said, it's usually associated with Dark Arts, which makes one think that snakes aren't used in "Light" magic very often. It also seems like Harry can use the parseltongue whenever confronted with a snake, or as when opening the CoS, pretending a picture is real. I don't think parseltongue is something that can be cultivated, only used.
Though it would be nice to reason with Nagini; perhaps turn her against Voldemort. After all, nobody can like being milked, eh?
Which leads to another question: how can a snake be milked?
Tuitus
May 28 2005, 03:09 AM
Actually, Rita Skeeter published Harry's secret gift in the Daily Prophet on the day of Voldemort's return: June 24th. The Ministry (Fudge, Umbridge, Percy) was kept from this knowledge till the exclusive and used it as a part of the claim Harry had lost his lunch. Meaning the general wizarding public is aware their great fear and their savior both can talk to snakes.
Milking snakes is forcing a snake to press their upper jaw over a container to collect the venom. Usually a vial. Its quite a skill, and I wouldn't blame Peter's trepidation towards milking a twelve foot venomous constrictor on a daily basis. Too bad he wasn't bitten.
Do you remember Harry's battle with Tom Riddle in the second movie? Although its not in the book (I think), Riddle says "Parseltongue will not save you, it only obeys me".
This means a Parselmouth can train snakes like how the average Joe trains a dog. Nagini has most likely been trained in such a way.
| QUOTE (Goblet of Fire @ Chapter 1, pg. 13) |
| The only means of escape was into the room where two men sat plotting murder, yet if he stayed where he was the snake would surely kill him-But before had made his decision, the snake was level with him, and then, incredibly, miraculously, it was passing; it was following the spitting, hissing noises made by the cold voice beyond the door, and in seconds, the tip of its diamond-patterned tail had vanished through the gap. |
We can deduce Voldemort has trained Nagini to respond to his summons, converse how safe their surroundings are, and ignore instincts when she is required to carry out a plan. I think Salazar Slytherin may have trained the basilisk to be subservient to his heir.
Couldn't Harry do the same?
Hawxors
Jul 4 2005, 01:01 PM
It's a possibility, I think, that if Voldemort ever put Nagini upon Harry, that Harry would be able to instruct the snake not to and put it on Voldemort instead. Just by possibily tricking the nake into beleive he was Voldemort is a good idea too. A small spell to either make him look like him or just his voice.
Which would be the best trick of them all. That way he could controll the Death Eaters that are not around the real Voldemort.
There are so many ways that Harry can protect himself, but he just doesn't think clearly enough. That could also be because he had death on the mind and that's all he can think of at the moment. Hehe. Scary thought?
After the Burial
Oct 26 2006, 06:50 PM
This thred seems so interesting now, given the additional information from Half Blood Prince. Don't worry, you will get no spoilers out of me. Anyhow, it is interesting that everyone thinks of Parselmouth as a Dark Art. How can something be Dark if you are born with it?
62442al_Man
Oct 27 2006, 01:41 AM
But remember that it is Dark because the majority of wizards procaim it as such. back then, it was a gift. But just because Salazar and Voldemort could do it, now it has become known as a Dark Art.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.