Hey
I started this topic because I was wondering if Tom Riddle's award for special services to the school was taken away after they found out that not only was he Voldemort but he opened the chamber both times. Personally I don't think he deserves it and I think if it wasn't taken down it should be. What are your thoughts on this?
--Courtney

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Courtney

That is a very interesting question. I dont think that I would have even thought of it. In the books, there is never mention of Voldy's award being revoked. I would assume that it was long forgotten by most of the Hogwarts staff, and that they probably had more pressing things to do than revoke an award. However, it really should be taken away. Tom did an unspeakable thing in falsly accusing Hagrid, and made Hagrid's life much harder than it needed to be. Hmmm... perhaps it will play a role in book 7. Maybe it is a hidden horcrux?

I agree that it could be a a horcrux... but why would DD allow it to stay up in the firsst place seeing as how he knew hagrid was innocent, if i were Headmaster i would have strolled down there in the middle of a class or something and just thrown it away, was DDs intent on keeping it there.....

I don't know whether it was taken down because it is never mentioned in the books. I think that it should be taken away. He got an innocent boy expelled for what he did but I am not sure how many of the staff know this. I don't think Dumbledore had the time to take it down because he had more pressing matters on his mind.

However, I like the idea it could be a horcrux.

Wow I never thought of the possibility that it could be a horcrux..but now I really want to know why DD left it there...I mean Everyone knows that Tom Riddle is Voldemort..maybe Dumbledore left it there to spite Voldemort..everyone thought he was a good little prefect so maybe it is to say that or maybe it is there to show his former identity or as a lesson..I really don't know. Or maybe it was taken off and JKR never mentioned anything about it beacuse she figured we would realize that it was taken off..lol..

Perhaps Dumbledore suspects its a Horcrux and left it up to keep Tom unaware that DD knows about the horcruxes.... it would be the safest guess if it were a horcrux and indeed left in the display

possibly but then wouldn't DD want to destroy a horcrux, especially toms horcrux, if he saw one? i don't think tom derseves that reward now and it should be taken away. but still it is an important part of hogwarts history so i can understand why it's there.

perhaps there is a spell to keep from tampering with special awards... but DD could break it..... for all we know it could be taken down or thrown in the RoR

it could be in the RoR and it could have a spell but i doubt it. even if it did, like you said, DD could break it. and i think if it were a horcux he would destroy it to make LV less whole.

Yes i do believe that we have debunked that theory pretty thoroughly.... oh well i wish these threads would heat up soon, maybe tomorrow... i want to graduate from hogwarts but that is so far off. like 1500 posts i think... oh well I'll enjoy evey minute of my quest haha

yeah i will enjoy every minute too and perhaps more people will come and share their opinions tomorrow. anyway that was off topic. bottom line for me until more people come or unless you have more to say: the reward is there because it is an important artifact of history. i don't think it's a horcrux otherwise DD would have destroyed it already,etc. there i'm done.*sighs* whew!

Ok..it is about to heat up..I think..
Maybe Dumbledore destroyed the real award..because it was a horcrux..and put a fake one there to make it seem that he is oblivious to the fact of it being a horcrux. We know that Snape at least was a death eater..(he still might be) if he knew about LV's horcruxes he would have told him that it was gone..presuming he knew that the award was one. So I think if DD did in fact destroy it he did not tell anyone. But I think that possibly LV has some speculation that DD knows about his horcruxes..I mean DD is the smartest wizard..right?
~Courtney
WOOT WOOT....500TH POST!!!

sorry if this is a oneliner but wow!!!!

that made total sense. perhaps if DD did destroy it he didn't tell anyone. wow again! but you forgot one very important thing. DD isn't just the smartest wizard he is also one of the most powerful wizards!

If DD had destroyed a horocrux he would have told Harry when he was mentioning the others. He knew that Harry would be joining in on finding and destroying the remaining horocrux's. Somehow I doubt DD would keep such important information from Harry while confiding about all the others that were either certain or suspected horocrux's.

As for why the award is still up....that in my opinion is because of two reasons. One DD may have wanted it to remain up because no matter what he was or has become his award still was warranted at the time. It is part of the history of Hogwarts and may well be linked to other awards and events.

Second is that for better or worse DD likes to believe in people. He probably even harbors a hope however faint, that given the right circumstances Volemort can be reformed. I personally doubt it of course but DD has that trait of trying to believe in others

yes that is one thing that might have helped harry is to know that one of voldemorts horcruxes was destroyed if the award was actually a horcrux. even though riddle was evil then and is evil now the award remains to show it's history and to show what one boy did to help the school before he went completey bad. although you say that dumbledore can harbor some hope for voldemort i highly doubt it. voldemort is basically close to pure evil and he has no love which is one of the key things to goodness. after all that he has done in the past and in the present i don't think he will return as a good guy. yes dumbledore believes in people but i don't think he's putting all his hope and faith in voldemort. more towards harry so that he can kill voldemort in the end.

The Service Award. One of my favorite obscure objects in the series. What is it's purpose and why no mention since CoS? I will say that I have long suspected it of being a Horcrux but we have several places to discuss Horcurxes elsewhere. All I will say is that if Dumbledore had suspected it of being one, he would have mentioned it to Harry in HBP.

So what is going on with the award now? My guess is it is still sitting on the trophy shelf being polished every now and then by some naughty student. As others have mentioned it is a part of Hogwarts history and I doubt Dumbledore would have removed or destroyed it. I also suspect JKR may have simply forgotten about it when she moved on to PoA. It would not be the first time she has forgotten key elements of the story *cough*Ginny*cough* and dropped the development. But we have threads for that as well.

Besides all that, Dumbledore can be a little scatterbrained at times. That is the reason McGonnagal makes such a great counter to him. My guess is with Dumbledore looking to Voldemort's future return, revoking some fifty year old service award was the least of Dumbledore's concerns.

i want to attest to something one of you said... i will bring another theory into this as well.... the RAB theory that DD is actually RAB as a surname to help harry through the task of defeating Tom...... I dont think Albus would have told Harry if he destroyed another Horcrux.. especially if you support the above RAB theory....

But is dumbledore wants to help harry destroy the remaining horcuxes and perhaps is rab then he would have to tell harry to help defeat and kill voldemort. dumbledore you said that if DD is using rab as a surname then he would help harry destroy the horcruxes and help kill LV and it would have made it easier on harry if he did know so then he would have to look for one less horcrux. am i understanding you right?

yes, i am saying that maybe DD's plan was to go into hiding so that two people are looking for Horcruxes at the same time..... it would be an ingenius plan

Sorry Albus but I have to disagree. With what we know of DD I highly doubt he would have left such a task to Harry to go at alone. Look at what happened to DD two times that he did, or in the case of the cave, tried to destroy a horocrux. He lost is left hand and almost died in the cave. He would not have let Harry go at it without him unless he was dead.

DD cares for Harry as a son. He also believes that Harry is the one who will have to face Voldy at the end. I doubt he would let Harry go about such dangerous tasks on his own if he instead could go with him. As it turns out Harry will have to do it alone anyways but not due to a choice DD made.

I do have a feeling that Harry will recieve heplufl, but anonymous letters or messages of some sort to guide him.... hopefully this will be Dumbledore.... if not it could be R.A.B. if he is indeed still alive

perhaps he may but it there could always be an alternate way of sending messages or sending help. like perhaps telekinesis or through the mind. if dumbledore comes back he may choose to stay and send messages that way or but i don't think so. anyway back to the topic that trophy is there perhaps for a purpose that we do not even know yet. if it is a horcrux then we will see it again but i would think that if DD had known he would have told harry and destroyed it in the process.

ughh **Sigh** i have come to the conclusion that the Award is not a horcrux, and Dumbledore would have indeed destroyed it. I think we need to look back further and deeper, i know the Horcrux is there someplace

perhaps. maybe the last horcrux is still at hogwarts but not that award. perhaps LV will try to go back and get it or use harry somehow as a pawn to get it. somehow i have this strange feeling that one of the horcruxes is right there at hogwarts...but i could be wrong.

Hey guys lets make sure we stay on topic which is the Service Award. There has been almost nothing discussed about it since my post earlier. If it does not stay on topic, the thread will have to be closed down. There are plenty of other threads to discuss RAB and the Horcruxes.

Sorry Gaburdette!!! Its really hard to keep track of evolving threads. Ill do better to keep on topic.

Back to the Service Award.... Why hasnt Harry gotten a service award for the school for all he has done. Or has he I cant remember. All Tom did was turn in another student, and harry has done much more

sorry for the one liner but are you sure that question is on topic?


after what garbudette said we need to get back ontopic and harry and an award is no the topic. i don't want this to close. so let's try to think of something ontopic. sorry albus but i just don't think that's ontopic. again i don't want to sound mean but is it?

I am ok with you continuing the discussion comparing what little Tom Riddle did to earn his Service Award to what Harry has done for Hogwarts. It does seem a bit unfair that Tom turns in an innocent boy with little evidence and is given an Award. Harry on the other hand has saved the school on several occasions only to get a "Well Done" from Dumbledore.

Anyway as long as what you are discussing has some connection to Tom's Service award, it is fine to continue on with.

another thing that was on my mind... why wouldnt Dumbledore try to use legilimency to peer into Toms Mind to see if he really caught Hagrid and really deserved the award.... we know he trusted Hagrid enough to give him a job

The reward was never revoked because there is no evidence that he opened it except the diary which was destroyed and i think harry hasn't got any trophies because he was breaking school rules and dumbeldore wouldn't want to atrract even more attention to harry than he already gets

The Award for Services to the School. The one that Ron had to clean in CoS, the same type of award made to him and Harry in the same book (it seems that no-one remember this). My favourite item that I think is a horcrux and the reason for Voldemorts attempts to get back into Hogwarts.

And professor, although I agree that the reason the award was not revoked being becasue there was no proof, I also think that Tom was already developing his occlumency skills and could sense when someone like DD was trying to delve into his mind. He didn't deserve the award, we all know that now, and I still think that the reason JKR mentioned the award in 2 books is becasue it has a part to play in book 7.

im not sure im anyone but DD and the trio know Tom Riddle is LV, so im sure it hasnt been revoked