Wow That Makes Alot Of Sense Now, Thanks =D

Yeah, I Was Wondering Why Jack Was Smiling When He Realized That He Was Getting Chained To The Mast.




Yeah I Rekon That's Why The Trailer is Taking So Long, Because Spider Man 3 Trailor Is Already Out In Cinemas, I Guess SP2 Was A While Ago.

Yeah that is maybe why..

Hey did any of you guys stay to the end of the credits in the cinema when you watched DMC.
Well the paper i have sadid that you should stay to the end for a special suprise thing. Well we did and it ended up beingjust the dog on the throne with the cannibals and it was really short.
Everyone who went wth me was annoyed for makeing them wait for the credits.

lol sorry seriouslysirius but that is just too funny!! You waited until all the end credits went away to see the end bit and it was pointless!! Sorry I don't mean any offence, if my family was with me they would have just sayed they were going !!

I tried to convince my grandparents to stay but they wouldn't.
Well to keep the conversation going let's talk about our least favorite parts from the movies!
Who's first?

Well since i'm an Elizabeth/Will shipper i would say my least favourite part is in DMC when Elizabeth kisses Jack *pukes* then Will sees her kissing Jack!!!

Yeah HPfan#1 I didn't like that either. I had no idea what the heck she was doing snogging anyone, let alone Jack, when a monster is coming to devour the ship. Poor Will. After that movie he became my favorite.

Well Will has always been my favourite right from when he first appeared in POTC but thats mainly because i LOVE Orlando Bloom!!! . I can't wait for POTC3 to come out only 4 months!!!!

I know!!! I'm soo excited for it to come out. My freinds and I are already planning out our plans for that day! One of my freind is dressing up as Jack another as Will, one is going to be Tia and I'm dressing up as Elizabeth!! Yeah, we're freaks but who really cares! Lifes more fun that way. As for the scene where Elizabeth kissed Jack I think she may have done it so she could make sure that Jack stayed with the ship. Considering she did hand cuffed him to the ship!

Yes, marrying with that kind of age gap was common, though giving the daughter a choice in the matter was not so much! The only problem though is that clearly Norrington hasn't aged over the last ten years (except to get a new wig!), which is why it's weird and it doesn't look like there is an age gap--I always thought "ugh" about him until the second movie, when he actually did look kind of hot in a ruggedly sexy way once he'd washed and was all scraggly! It was like Wesley's transformation in season 4 of Angel, for anyone who watched it...

As for the bit about Eliz, that's partly why I think she and Jack are good for each other--she's the ying to his yang, so to speak! He's a dishonest pirate who is a good man inside, while Elizabeth is mostly a good person, but has quite a dishonest/piratic streak as well, a definite rough edge--both are grey, while Will is just plain white. I agree that part of Eliz's interest in Jack was b/c she was sexually repressed, but at the same time that seemed to be why she was so eager to marry in the first place--you'll notice that whenever she expresses disappointment about the interruption of the wedding, it's annoyance that she hasn't had sex yet--look at her complaints:

"If it weren't for these bars I'd have you already!" (HAVE you mind, not be with you--she doesn't seem to beinterested in Will so much as the sex!)

"You robbed me of my wedding night!"

Again, she seems to be upset more at missing out on her first sexual experience than at not being able to be married to Will--which I do not see as a very good sign for her relationship with him. Yes, I thought they were nice and sweet in the first movie (though I remember thinking "Hmmm...that would be interesting if not for Will" about the Jack/Eliz island scene!). But in the second movie Will is just so BORING--and I think Elizabeth has moved beyond him--she's no longer this sweet, demure, naive civilized governer's daughter, she's a rough-edged, ruthless if need be, independent pirate! No matter what Eliz tries to pretend to herself, Will is NOT really a pirate--he only stole the boat to rescue Elizabeth, he's always expressed self-righteous disgust at the idea of being a pirate--and the hat at the end was RIDICULOUSLY silly! But Elizabeth's comment that he's a pirate shows how much she wants a pirate--even as a little girl she says it'd be fascinating to meet a pirate, and I think she still clearly finds them fascinating and envies their life--you'll notice she wears pants during almost the entire second movie, and relishes her independence and freedom that she has temporarily. Jack could give her that independence and freedom forever--she need never wear a corset again! I don't think that Will will be able to give her what she wants, the kind of life (that of a pirate) that she craves. I think that she's always been attracted to Jack from when they first met (remember her pensieve reaction when her maid mentions Jack? She clearly didn't think it was THAT terrible! ), and in the last movie that attraction increased even more--I don't think it was just sexual repression that led her to behave that way with Jack, she could have kissed Will like that all she wanted, but it was very clear that she WANTED to kiss Jack in itself, not just as a trick--look at the way she lingers afterwards, almost kissing him again--I think she's wanted to do that for a while now, and wanted to enjoy it once before he went! And look how sad and depressed she is afterwards--it's eating her up inside what she did to him! Just b/c she killed him doesn't mean she didn't love/care for him (for any Buffy fans, a good example of this would be Buffy killing Angel for the greater good even though she loved him deeply). Now of course I don't think Elizabeth loved Jack to THAT extent, or that she even necessarily "loved" him at all (she might not have gotten there yet--though she definitely cared about him deeply, it's like the borderline between the two)--but no matter how much she cared for him, she would have done the same thing for the greater good (which it was). Look at the way she clings to his leg and is so happy to see him come back afterwards. Look at her sorrow after she's forced to trick him, and the way she dreamily gazes into the distance after their exhange (prompting a comment from the astute Norrington). Look at the freaking COMPASS, lol! She definitely lusted for him, and cared deeply about him, and maybe even loved him. As for Jack, I think it's clear at least that he loved her, and was as fascinated by her as she was by him! I love the look on his face when he sees her kissing Will!

So yeah, I wouldn't underestimate the relationship between Jack and Elizabeth, though I don't think it'll happen b/c this is a Disney Movie (aka predictable), and b/c they have been setting it up for so long. But I will always find Sparrabeth to be the MUCH hotter (well, I don't think that's disputable, lol--the raw chemistry they have! oi...) and more interesting ship! And I'm so grateful for all that we got in DMC--the kiss is my FAVORITE part!

Actually soccerchik, think that dreesing up as the POTC characters to the POTC£ movie is a really good idea!! Everyone will see how much you and your friends love POTC!!

Wow sherrilina that was really long it took me like 15 minutes to read it!! Well i agree that Will's hat is a bit weird , but i do not think that Elizabeth likes Jack in that way. I think she was sad to see him die because he was her friend and she basically lead him to his death!!

Wow I Have Alot Of Things To Read After Just One Day


Nice Long One sherrilina, I Like Reading Long Things =D, Although Sometimes I Have To Read Things Twice Just To Get It, But You Know.

Hmmm Least Favourite Part, Probably The Start Where The Crows Devour Those Men And Take Out Their Eyes, Or When Elizabeth Kisses Jack.

Ooo Nice, I Love Dressing Up =D

My Mum Wouldn't Let My Dress Up For The Harry Potter Movies Or The POTC Ones
Said She'd Be Embarrased, So I Plan To Go With My Sister .. Or My Friends Instead Muhahahahahaha *cough*

Yeah because Elizabeth's not an evil bitca ( to sherrilina). I think that it's mostly guilt verse love/care that was the reason she looked so sad in Tia's house, also a bit of shock at her own actions. And then Will looked at her, despite the betrayal, and was still willing to offer her help because he loves her more than himself, I have trouble believing that Jack cares about Elizabeth more than himself, though I suppose it could be argued that Jack came back for Elizabeth...ok focus.
I think that the attraction of Jack to Elizabeth makes prefect sense. It’s my guess that you can count the people who’ve successfully tricked Jack on one hand, and Elizabeth is the only women who has done that. He sees her as an equal. And Elizabeth’s attraction to Jack makes sense to. She wants freedom, that’s what Jack represents to her, and not just to her, the story as a whole, really.
The reason why I would never support this couple is best described by the scene where Elizabeth and Jack almost kiss, as Ted and Terry say, it’s about setting terms. Well it’s a pretty hot scene, Johnny Depp is so charismatic and sexy and Keira is on my list of women I’d go gay for, but it’s all about domination. That what I’d image their relationship being like, always trying to out do the other, never really letting their guard down to just be happy and build a lasting relationship.
Plus, it has to be said, Ted and Terry say in the commentary that the compass never pointed to Jack, and actually was pointing to the chest the whole time.
I disagree that Will is still completely white, he successfully tricked Davy Jones into finding out were the key was. I don't think first movie Will would have been able to pull that off, it shows growth. And watch your writer's commentary for the first movie. Ted and Terry make the point that Will is the one and only "pirate movie pirate" in the first movie, someone who breaks the rules because the rules are wrong, instead of breaking them for their own gain. In short the romantic (in the literary sense of the word) pirate hero she’s dreamt of meeting. And it's been said that Will will have a darker edge to him in the next one. My guess this is in response to Elizabeth's actions. And the hat was supposed to be silly.
Elizabeth was never really sweet, demure, and naive nor helpless, even in the first movie. In the ship battle scene when Jack was on the Black Pearl, she comes up with plans that are equal to Barbossa’s, as said in the commentary. When Jack won't help her save Will, she gets him drunk, uses the rum to light a huge fire to signal her Dad and Norrington. When they won't go to save Will, she promises to marry Norrington to get to Will. In the final scene when Will's in the cave, she needs to get to him, she plans to rescue the pirate crew first to get their help, when they don't help her, she goes anyway. She help's Will fight off the undead pirates a way he couldn't quite do on his own. It's interesting to me that well Will plays the guy role, need to go and save my love, Elizabeth plays that same role in the second half after he's caught, need to go and save my love. That's another problem I have with J/E, it kind of makes the first movie pointless.
Elizabeth, as I said before, is a trickster. For a trickster to exist in a story she needs to have an oppressor, which for Elizabeth it's men who tell her what to do or not to do or who kept her from what she wants. Will has never told her want to do, or kept her from what she wants, Jack has. I'm again bring up the fact that Will was offering to go get Jack from "at world's end" even if it means him and Liz not being together anymore.
With Will she can be as independent as she would be with Jack, what she wants is freedom, there’s no way to doubt or argue against that. The question is what does she want independence from? The answer, I believe, is the patriarchal society of her father and Norrington. Will is a blacksmith, the point of marriage then was to unite men for political gain or money, this being from the world of her father. Marrying Will has no finical or political gain; she wanted to get married to him because she loved him.
And about the thing that she’s more interesting in sex, she said “have you already” it’s Will’s pants she wants in at that moment, not just any guy, so she has physical attraction for Will.
It's also hard for me to shallow that Jack is going to forgive Elizabeth easily for killing him. After all in the first movie he held the grudge against Barbossa for ten years.
About Norrington, I think Jack Davenport is hot in both movies, and he’s actually closer in age to Keira than Johnny. When the first movie was made Jack D was 29 years old.
Don't really have a least favorite part, I don't.

Yes it was funny sort of. But if you're on the reciving end it can be a liitle less funny.

Well lots of posts have been made during my absence. Err my answer to my least favourite is that i don't have one. I think there all really good bit snad i can't pick out a bad bit.. Really.

CursedMagic that's all the more reason to dress up. See it's usually the parents embarassing the kids. So we should be able to embarass them every so often right? Does anybody else agree with me or am I alone?

Anyways back to the topic!



I thought that it pointed to him that one time though. When they were on the ship she was looking at it when it changed direction. She looked at were it was pointing and saw Jack. Unless you're just talking about when they were on that island. But whatever.

Yes i agree with you soccerchik!! We should get to embarass them for once !!

Wel i could of been just pointing to the chest the whole time and maybe Elizabeth was thinking it was pointing to Jack. Though it is a bit strange how Jack is in the way all the time!! Not that i would like to believe that it was pointing to Jack the whole time!!

Yeah, I really don't know because I still just think of that one time on the ship when there was a sudden change in direction. Whe she looked there stood Jack. Who really knows though? I guess we all just have to wait until it comes out to find out for sure.

hahahahaha yeah, that is a good point, im sick of my mum singing outloud for the rest of the shopping centre to hear

Yeahh The Whole Compass Thing, Maybe It Just Represents That She Wants Freedom,
Maybe It's Not Really About Jack At All.

I only know what the commentry tells me. And if you wacth the part were it "points" to Jack on the island were the chest was, the compass points almost behind Elizabeth when Jack leavel with her at her right. I thought that was a movie mistake at first, but it was suppose to point where the chest was, which was almost behind her, instead of Jack, to her dead right. She only thought she wanted Jack most, but didn't actually.
It's fun to dress up!

No i don't think she wants Jack the most.. Just as was said before lust..

I'm sure she did feel for a little second that she maybe wanted Jack but then realise it was mere temptation.

She really does belong with Will, Jack would never settle down anyway.

Yes i agree with seriouslysirius it was only lust and temtation. Anyway i think Jack would rather be with the Black Pearl sailing along the sea to Tortuga drinking a big bottle of rum, than be with any woman!!

Yeah i totally agree. Jack is a pirate ( obviously) so his life i'm sure with the sea..
And adventure and pillage and plunder and all of that.

Though i'm not saying he doesn't like a good old flirt as we know from Tortuga.

Yes he does like a good flirt !! But i think he will know never to do that again with all the slaps he earned from it !!!

Assuming that he learned his lesson of course! And as for the kiss it may have been "curiousity" as they put it! She probably wants someone who would more settle down which Jack would probably NEVER do! Not in a million years.

I agree. Oh no i doubt he would EVer, ever, ever settle down. I mean just listen to the song.
" It's a pirates life, YO HO." They enjoy themselves. I don't think theres anything in the song about woman. Jack is more of an adventurer.

Yeah i agree with seriouslysirius Jack would NEVER settle down with a woman I don't think any pirate has time for woman really!! There life is full of adventure!!

Yes, wants are selfish and ever-changing. And that's Jack, he would never settle. This is how I image Elizabeth and Jack together, after a little while Jack would get annoyed by the fact that he has to always consider someone else, not just himself all the time. Elizabeth will start to want a bit of stability, and get sick of adventure, realising that Will honestly loved her, and she still loved him. I think that once Jack and Elizabeth parted, by that time Will could of moved on to someone else, or just plain moved back to England to start his life over, that's what I'd do if I was in that situition. But anyway no happiness for anyone in the end.
But I won't discount the amount of desire that Elizabeth felt for Jack, would she of killed him if she wasn't so tempted, when he's dead he's no longer a tempation. That's parapharsed from Ted and Terry's commentry.

You're words are very wise Amyrat151. That's a good thing. I like wise.

Well i don't think she would have deliabretly killed him if she wasn't pressaurised by the Kraken. I mean you saw how upset she was when she did it. I don't believe she would do it on purpose.

I think in a way she knew he deserved it for all the trouble he was always getting them in but then she probably regretted doing it because he made a good captain and he always made up for his mistakes(I think!!) .

Maybe the kiss was all part of her plan to keep Jack with the ship. To ensure that the rest of them had a fighting chance and escaping. So maybe she's just a diabolical genius! lol.



Maybe all the ones we know of at least who knows what happened previously in his life!

Yeahh I Agree, I Don't Think Jack Would Exactly Know How To Care For A Woman, More Than Himself.

Yes, I Rekon The Kiss Was Only There To Get Jack To Stay On The Ship, She Did Make The Mistake Of Doing It Out In The Open For Will To See

Well If That's Wht She Wanted, It Did Work, After All Elizabeth DID say

''It's after you, not the ship. It's not us. This is the only way, don't you see?.........
...... I'm not sorry''.

Gosh, i just LOVED that movie, it was amazing!
At first, when i saw the kiss, i thought that Elizabeth's feelings might have started changing towards Jack. But seeing it again, i believe that it was not only a part of her plan (so as to wear him the handcuffs), but also a way of apologizing for what she was about to do. Jack was meaning to kiss her from the very beginning, so she gave him what he wanted with a small "price".
I can't wait for movie 3 to be releashed, i'm so curious to see how Barbossa (sp?) escaped death. I loved that scene in the end where he eats that apple- it was so clever!

Yeah alkisti, I thought that she was kissing Jack in a meaningful way at first aswell until i noticed it was just to handcuff him to the ship!!

Yeah I thought the bit with Barbossa at the end was pretty good too!! Like how can he actually be alive!! He died, there was even blood pouring out of him!!! It's just impossible!!

Yes it seems impossible to me too. But there were people turning into skeletons when the moonlight was thrown on them, so being alive when everyone thought you were dead, is less impossible! Maybe that woman (whose name i can't recall right now) brought him back to life. I can't think of a reasonable explanation at least not now...

alkisti ~ Yeah but the curse was lifted so he was ment to be dead!! Maybe he had tomato ketchup where he got shot!! What did the girl look like that you are talking about, was she good or bad?

Hi alkisti yeah i like all thosse bits they fab. I ecspically loved the Barbossa bit. I was waiting thw whole film for that because you saw his boots earlier on. I annoyed my cousions.

I also thought she was really kissing Jack too. But it was a clever way to get him handcuffed.

HPfan#1 haha very funny the tomato one!!! I am talking about that woman Jack visited twice during movie2, the one that gave him the dirt. HAHAHAAAAAAAAA that was hilarious! The dirt, God i love Johny Depp he is such an amazing and talented actor!



Jack is meant to be dead as well but they will go to rescue him...Can't anyone die normally in this world? lol

Seriouslysirious, hello to you too! The second time i saw the movie, i had been waiting anxiously for that last second of the movie. It is like Fast and the furious 3 where Vin Diesel (sp?) appears in the end! Unexpected and amazing at the same time!

Yeah stuff like that really do make you want to watch the rest of the movie.. Though i allready wanted to watch POTC.

It really made me want to see the end.

Do you know if a trailer of movie 3 is releashed? I looked it up at youtube but i couldn't find anything. Though i'm pretty sure that the trailer will be very short and it won't give us a hint on how Jack will be saved and how Barbossa managed to live. But still, i want to watch it!

Well alkisti as far as i know there has not been a trailer realeased. It is a question i have been asking too. A trailer or at least a teaser trailer can't be to far off.

Yes, that's what i believe too. I mean Spiderman 3 trailer has been releashed for many months and the movie will be releashed the same period as POTC, so the trailer will probably be releashed soon...Thanks anyway!

alkisti ~ The woman that you are thinking of is called Tia Dalma. I hate my computer because if I did find a POTC3 trailer I wouldn't be able to watch it because all of the colour on my computer is low and i can't see any pictures or videos properly!! So if any of you see the trailerr you will have to tell me if it looks good or not.

HPfan#1~ Where did you find the trailer cause I want to know! Seriously I have been hoping to see a trailer for a long time now I mean I'm sure they have one. Maybe they're just selfish and don't want to share it with the rest of the world. Or maybe they just want to have some fun and torture POTC fans. I don't I just hope they show it soon!!!!

Well, from the trailer i've seen, i wouldn't call it a trailer, i'd call it.... ahh well im not sure what i'd call it, the only one i've seen is the disney one that seriouslysirius saw aswell

oo soccerchik ,HPfan#1 Didn't Say That She Saw The Trailer, She Was Saying That IF she did find one, she wouldn't be able to watch it because of the colour on her computer.

Easy Mistake To Make, Sometimes I Don't Read Things Properly Either.

Yahh It Took My Ages To Find That Disney Trailor Thing, When I Saw It I Was Disappointed How Little They Showed, But When I Looked It Up, It Was Ages Ago, So Maybe It's Changed, I Wouldn't Know For Sure.



Oh And HPfan#1 I'm Sorry If Im Wrong By Calling You A She, I Do Hope I'm Right Because I'll Just Look Stupid =S, Sorry If I May Seem Like Im Being Rude

That is the only one I have seen also. *sighs* They should have shown more! It wasn't even a good sneak peak let alone a trailer. But I am sure we will get something soon.

I can't wait to see if there is going to be a argument between Liz and Will and then later they will have make up sex! I am sorry I am a dirty girl. Even my cousins Ann and Ellen aka Amyrat151 wants a love scene between Liz and Will. We may be joking but at the same time we just want to see Orlando Bloom half naked.

I found this at a website:

Captain Jack Sparrow (Johnny Depp), Will Turner (Orlando Bloom) and Elizabeth Swann (Keira Knightley) return for one last decisive battle. In the conclusion to the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy, the heroes must face a powerful alliance formed by Lord Cutler Beckett (Tom Hollander), Davy Jones (Bill Nighy), and Admiral James Norrington (Jack Davenport). With the help of an unlikely friend, the trio will fight to protect the freedom of all pirates around the world. A titanic showdown at the other side of the world will also bring a new and even more deadly enemy, the dreaded pirate captain Sao Feng (Chow Yun-Fat).

***WARNING: SPOILERS FOLLOW***

In order to rescue Jack Sparrow from his watery grave, Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann consulted Tia Dalma (Naomi Harris) for help. Tia Dalma in turn announced the need for assistance from another captain, who could guide them to Jack Sparrow at “Worlds End.” It was revealed that the person who would help them on their journey would be Captain Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush), who had just been brought back to life by Tia Dalma. In the third part in the series, the ensemble will join forces, resurrect Jack Sparrow, and take on the alliance between Davy Jones, Cutler Beckett, James Norrington, and Sao Feng.

***END OF SPOILERS***

***MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD***

The montage included shots of a floating Singapore village, a scene where Jack Sparrow attempts to convince his crew to rock a ship over by running back and forth on the ship deck, a swordfight between Sparrow and Davy Jones atop a crows nest in the middle of a storm, and a massive sword battle on board a ship where both Sparrow and Barbossa are involved in the struggle. Apparently, the two will join forces and fight alongside each other, but there will still be some resentment between them.

***END OF SPOILERS***

According to Verbinski, the film will be about the piracy era coming to an end. Screenwriter Terry Rossio pointed out that the title, At Worlds End, has a double-meaning that not only suggests the end of an era, but also points to a specific location.


These are just a hint of what will happen at POTC3.
These also prove my "theory" that Barbossa was brought to life from Tia, just as Jack will be brought to life again with Will's, Elizabeth's and Barbossa's help.

Oooh that was intresting.. I think i know where you got it.. Was it wikepeida??

Well all i can say really now is that bring on the film. We have had enough speculating, i think it's time the fans are awarded with a trailer now.

Well i'm glad that the bringing everbody back things been sorted.

No, it was not wikipedia. I don't remember which site it was but i was googling hoping to find a trailer and ended up at this. I thought it was interesting so i posted it here so as you can all see it!
But Seriouslysirious, i totally agree with you. I'm sick of waiting- is it that hard to release a trailer? They can make one that will not reveal anything...
I guess we will have to do a little bit more waiting...

Oh because on Wilkipedia it was this then.

At the end of Dead Man's Chest, Will Turner, Elizabeth Swann, and their company find refuge with Tia Dalma, who offers them the opportunity to embark on a journey to rescue Captain Jack Sparrow from his watery grave. Tia Dalma announces the need for a captain that will guide them to "World's End", prompting the appearance of Captain Barbossa, believed to have been dead. This was where Dead Man's Chest concluded.

Tia Dalma helps the crew to rescue Sparrow.[1] Sparrow and Barbossa also team up with Sao Feng.[2] According to director Gore Verbinski, "Piracy itself is at stake. It's like the railroad coming to the West. There will be a conference of the world's pirate leaders and a treacherous journey to the literal 'World's End

And much more.. But you can get the gist. I'll leave the url here. To the Wikipedia for a quick route.

Wikipedia POFTC 3

Trailer please come soon.

Well it sounds really good Seriouslysirius!! I can't wait until it comes out now!! So who is this Sao Feng guy?? Ohhh i'm getting really excited!!!

So am i!!!!!!!!11

Yes Sao Feng. Well according to Wikipedia he is a friend. But i'm not sure is he friend or Foe???

He seems to be a strange mystery..