Connection between Voldemort, Slughorn, and Krecher?


Three very different characters attracted my attention as each possessed a similar hobby, one of collecting. Now this theory is probably 100 percent rubbish but I just thought it was interesting to connect the three as they seem so different.

I shall start this editorial, for lack of a better name for this, by discussing Voldemort. Voldemort’s tendency to collect was first brought to the reader’s attention after Harry and Dumbledore view a memory in the pensieve of the first encounter between Tom Riddle and Albus Dumbledore.

“’And lastly – I hope you are not too sleepy to pay attention to this, Harry – the young Tom Riddle liked to collect trophies. You saw the box of stolen articles he had hidden in his room . . . Bear in mind this magpie-like tendency, for this, particularly, will be important later.’”- Albus Dumbledore to Harry

Chapter: The Secret Riddle, pg. 260 (British edition; Half Blood Prince)



Professor Slughorn is also a character I find interesting. He like Voldemort collects trophies, but trophies of present and past favorite students. We learn this after Harry first meets Professor Slughorn and Dumbledore’s warning of keeping up his guard around the professor.

“’ . . . He used to handpick favorites at Hogwarts., sometimes for their ambitions or their brains, sometimes for their charm or talent . . . ‘
’I tell you all this,’ Dumbledore continued, ‘not to turn you against Horace – or, as we must call him, Professor Slughorn – but to put you on your guard. He will undoubtedly try to collect you, Harry. You would be the jewel of his collection: The Boy Who Lived … or, as they call you these days, the Chosen One.’”- Albus Dumbledore to Harry

Chapter Horace Slughorn, pgs. 75 & 76 (British Edition; Half Blood Prince)



Now we come to Kreacher, the deranged house elf that belongs to the Noble House of Black, and currently in the series, Harry. We take him for granted during the most part of the story but when it is revealed at the end of The Order of the Phoenix that he has been in fact serving the Malfoy’s since Christmas, he begins to become a character of interest.

But even before that truth is revealed we are told one of the elf’s traits when Hermione goes to his ‘bedroom’ to present him with a gift for Christmas.

“ . . . A jumble of assorted rags and smelly old blankets were piled on the floor and the small dent in the middle of it showed where Kreacher curled up to sleep every night. Here and there among the material were stale bread crusts and mouldy old bits of cheese. In a far corner glinted small objects and coins that Harry guessed Kreacher had saved, magpie-like, from Sirius’s purge of the house . . .”

Chapter Christmas on the Closed Ward, pg. 445 (British Edition; Order of the Phoenix)

This similar trait or tendency to collect, leads me to conclude some sort of connection between the three curious characters. In all honesty I do not know if this connection is pure coincidence or something that will be revealed in the final book of the Harry Potter series. But several possible theories include the following;

-One of Kreacher’s collected artifacts is a horcrux?
-One of Slughorn’s ‘collected’ pupils is connected to a horcrux?
-The three are related by a horcrux?
-Kreacher is a horcrux? ( most unlikely)

I know many people will disagree with me, but I thought I’d just throw the idea out there… tell me what you think

that is a realy interesting theory. i think something will come of the kreature and voldemort link with the "magpie like" tendencies but i dont necisarily think slughorn is involved.

good theory though, well spotted

yes, ive kind of had the thought that the slughorn bit was coincidence...

but i really feel like the repeated traits of 'magpie-like tendencies' for both kreacher & voldemort means something, even if it doesn't lead to a horcrux

Interesting connection. I don't think that Slughorn will have anything to do with Voldemort because he is hiding from him, but Kreacher might have Slytherin's locket. There was a locket in the Black house that no one could open, and if RAB is Regulus Black then it is likley it would have ended up at Grimwauld Place, but that's another forum so I wont get into that.

i am positive that RAB was Sirius"s brouther because in the irish version (i think it's the irish but is might be another one ... ill have to check) the innitials are RAZ and the Irish word for black is Zhalan or something like that (again ill have to double check). So there is no doubt in my mind that that locket in grimwald place and the horcurx are the same thing. however, i think it is still in the black house because if all of the horcurxes were anywhere, the book woud take thousands of pages and jk has already said that the book will probably be shorter than OotP. But other than that i dont see any flaws in your theory and it is marvelous that you saw that connection

I acually quite like this theory. It has all the good points in it between Kreacher and Voldemort with their "magpie-like" tendencies. And the way all three of them like to collect certain different things... It might actually lead us to a horcrux! Yay!

This theory was very well spotted. Good job!

-Horace Slughorn

I think this theory may work out in the 7th book. Like most people have said, they don't think Horace is involved but I beg to differ.
Kreacher and Lord Voldemort are linked through Magpie-like and Horace just has a collection but Horace may turn out to be more than expected because he still is fairly new.
I must say that I'll be very surprised if Kreacher isn't involved with a Horcrux in someway because he collects things and lived in a Pure-Bloods' home all his life with artefacts like lockets and many other things.
Personally, I love this theory!

it's a good theory, I always thought that kreacher was a little evil, and everyone in the wizarding world(almost) has a house elf, doesn't voldemort need one to? I don't believe slughorn is on the dark side in any way, he's to nice. I do think though that kreacher can very well be, it's very believable. thanks for posting the theory!

Well spotted . But i don't think Slughorns involved, he's and arragont git yes .. however he is not evil, i don't think Horace would ever go over to the Darkside..

However i wouldn't be surprised if there was a Kreacher thing goin on. Maybe Kreacher managed to get Voldies locket (that is if i am correct in my asumption that R.A.B is Regulas Black and the locket mention on OoTp is tha Horcrux) and is keepin it safe in his cuboard.

Well-spotted. I hadn't even noticed that, but it's something to think about. Maybe it goes to show that Slughorn has a part to play yet, and we shouldn't dismiss him as just a "filler" character for HBP.

To all those who do not believe there are any connections between Slughorn and Voldemort, look back in HBP, and see who originally told, then Tom Riddle, about the Horcruxes, as the memory shows in Chapter 23, Horcruxes. Slughorn is the only person who had disclosed that information. So there is a connection, just in more ways then expected. So what are we to expect towards the begining of the seventh book. Knowing the truth and giving the memory to Potter and Dumbledore, how save is Slughorn from Voldemort?

i reckon that reachers "magpie-like" tendencies would have caused him to collect the locket that they 'threw away' (?) in sirius' house. So harry will be able to get it back from kreacher... when he figures it out and gets kreacher to tell him where it is... as i guess it's possible he knows what it is and could be protecting it/hiding it somewhere?

i do get a bit confused though because i read fan fictions and i get a bit muddled.... that could just be what happened in a fan fiction i read somewhere! lol!!

I think you're all wrong about Slughorn not being involved, however, glamourchochang, you have the wrong "collectable" listed... Remember that Harry did everything he could not to go to Slughorn's parties and meetings... but Tom Riddle was willingly "collected" by Slughorn, as an official member of the Slug Club! Since LV himself contains one portion of the soul... that's part 1.

Kreacher, likely collected soul part 2 in the locket, if it was not sold off to Aberforth by Mundungus, in which case it became part of a "collection" of stolen goods for Mundungus.

You could include Marvolo in this collecting theory... he "collected" the locket (Soul piece 2, collected again) and ring and perhaps other items that showed his family's pure blood and relationship to Slytherin. Soul Part 3 - the ring.

Also into collections was Hepzibah Smith, who collected magical items and whose house was so full that one had to "navigate their was across the room" to avoid knocking things over. She had Slytherin's Locket (Soul piece 2, collected yet again) and Hufflepuff's cup (Soul piece 4) before LV killed her and stole them.

Now... going out on a limb a little for this one, but... Soul part 5, the diary... a diary is a collection of thoughts. Even though this one is blank, that's just what it is.

And this one is brought out by you,glamourchochang, I had been considering it for a while, but it really fits here. What if all of this leads to the fact that soul part 6 is actually a trophy... the one Tom Riddle won for service to the school? It fits!

My only problem is that I can't come up with a 7th... as I do not believe that Nagini is a horcrux... it would be too odd for LV to risk placing it into a live creature, and have Nagini die. So I need to think about other collections, maybe something seen at Borgen and Burke's... for the last piece. Anyone have any ideas?

BRILLIANT pure brilliant!!! But I believe that their collections have to do with Harry and not being able to get something. Harry is part of Slughorns collection but doesn't want to be, he wants Kreachers collection but cant have it, and I don't know what Harry stole or what has been taken by LV but obiously they wnat it back. But wow I never would have thought that but it makes so much since.
P.S. Samsmom Harry scar is the last Horcrucx

Thats a very interesting theory, and I can definately see how it could work. I believe Kreacher is in posession of a horcrux (whether its the locket, or another one)
The Slughorn idea is also interesting. If Riddle trusted him enough to ask him about horcruxes in the first place, then maybe he would trust him to look after one of his horcruxes, or the know the hiding place of one of them. I don't think Slughorn was brought into Hogwarts, or the story, for no reason.

well spoted, hey coulod kreacher have a horcrux? i mean of the three, VOldy created them Slogorn told him so kreature must have one? Is this a valid theory. That is my prediction

luna_lovegood_fan, I still hope that Harry's scar is not a horcrux, unless there is a way to destroy it without killing him.

AFP and Packers, I agree, it's very likely that Kreacher has a horcrux, even if the locket was sold off by Mundungus (perhaps to Abferorth.)

As for Slughorn, his part is going to be helping Harry identify objects as horcruxes and teach Harry how to destroy the horcruxes, now that he has been found out as being the reason LV was able to do what he did. This will be his redemption.

Replying to the first post: yes, indeed, one of Slughorn's collected students was related to horcruxes. Riddle was Slughorn's student! He ended up creating horcruxes. And I think Kreacher might've stolen the locket horcrux before he was sent of to Hogwarts, so Harry will have trouble finding it. So basically, S,VL, and K are also all linked by horcruxes.

That is a most interesting idea. Voldemort made the horcrux. He found out how to make from Slughorn. Slughorn knew R.A.B., which is more than likely to be Regulus Black, and Regulus found out about the horcruxes. Regulus stole the horcrux from the cave with maybe ( I heard this somewhere i can't remember where) Kreacher. Kreachers power would not have registered on the boat in the cave. So there is only one person on the boat. DD said that anyone who tried to get it would need help. Kreacher.

So Voldy collected the locket from Hepzibah Smith. He learned how to make the horcruxes from Slughorn who collected Voldy as a favorite pupil. Regulus, who was another favorite student of Slughorn, found out about Voldy and joined the DEs and learned of the horcruxes. Then he stole the locket with the help of Kreacher and put it in Grimmauld Place. Kreacher collected it and kept it in his cupboard.

I know this is slightly off topic, but I feel that it is neccessary to explain myself. Or it feels like I have left something out.

Very interesting theory, padfoot17. I had thought about Sirius going with Regulus and one of them being underaged, but Kreacher is better!

I agree stag! The collectable for Slughorn is Riddle, not Harry. Riddle is the original part of the soul, and was willingly "collected" into Slughorn's Slug Club. Harry did everything he could not to be collected.

I really like this theory. That is a very good observation!
I think it is likely that there is some sort of conection between them. Slughorn was the one who told Voldemort about horcruxes in the first place and I don't think the word magpie and the tendency to collect are coincidences. Jk Rowling usually does not include very many coincidences. I think it is definitely likely that Slughorn will play a big role in the 7th book, obviously Voldemort will and Kreature could, as well.

I think you guys are right.JKR wouldn't have included many coincidences in her books.I think that the locket is a horcrux,which is currently at number 4 grimauld place,or at least in Kreachers possession.

Im pretty sure that the part that connects Tom Riddle/Voldemort with Professor Horace Slughorn is that he told Tom about the horcruxes back when Tom was in school... Remember in HBP when Dumbledore made Harry get the memory for Professer Slughorn? Prof. Slughorn told Tom all about them when he asked, because he liked Tom.

I like the theory of Voldemort and Kreacher being somehow connected, and it's more than likely that Kreacher has Slytherin's locket hidden away in his nest! I don't know about the relationship between Voldemort and Slughorn though.
It's true that when Tom Riddle was at school Slughorn liked him, because Slughorn had the knack of predicting if students were going to be successful (if you can call Voldy successful ) However, you've got to remember how much effort on Harry's behalf it took to get the memory from Slughorn. He had to wait until he had used Felix Felicis and Slughorn was rolling drunk for Slughorn to even begin to tell him the memory - why? because he was so ashamed of what he'd done. There's definitely something more that Slughorn knows about the horcruxes, but I don't think that he's holding onto one for Voldy - unless of course he's a realy good liar and gave Harry a second false memory, one that was just more cleverly edited than the first!
I really hope that Kreacher has Slytherin's locket though, it'd be a nice place for Harry to start looking - I wonder how long it's going to take them before they remember the locket, because it was only mentioned very briefly in OOTP. Guess we'll find out soon *fingers crossed*
Ginny

I don't think that the idea was that Slughorn or Kreacher was "with" LV. It's just that they are all collectors. I'm with Ginny that Kreacher likely has the locket squirrelled away in his nest.

1. Slughorn had "collected" Riddle into his Slug Club, even though he is no longer there, it was the original part of LV (the first horcrux).
   
2. Marvolo "collected" the locket (2nd horcrux) and ring and perhaps other items that showed his family's pure blood and relationship to Slytherin. (3rd horcrux) - the ring.
   
3. Hepzibah Smith, collected magical Slytherin's Locket (2nd horcrux, collected yet again) and Hufflepuff's cup (4th horcrux) before LV killed her and stole them.
   
4. The 5th horcrux, the diary... a diary is a collection of thoughts. Even though this one is blank, that's just what it is.
   
5. This leads to the fact that the 6th horcrux is actually a trophy... the one Tom Riddle won for service to the school? It fits!
   
6. My only problem is that I can't come up with a 7th... as I do not believe that Nagini is a horcrux... it would be too odd for LV to risk placing it into a live creature, and have Nagini die. So I need to think about other collections, maybe something seen at Borgen and Burke's... for the last piece.

Anyone have any ideas?

I don`t belive that Slughorn has horcruxes i think that he refuse to be part of that and that is why is he so sceard
but i agree that he will be important is book7
I agree about Kreacher

I agree 100% Voldemort and Kreacher have magpie like tendencies but Slughorn doesnt really he liked to handpick students, but is that really magpie like? I also think that Dung (Mundungus Fletcher) could be involved. He likesto collect things? I dunno heres my input anyway.

Fleur

I really like this theory i think its great!
I do think that slughorn is involved aswel i mean he did like to collect people and he did collect Tom!!

I do think that kreacher sneaked the locket off when everyone was trying to clean up the house....id like to see if this theory plays out


D.A

that is a great connetion!!! i think that it is a good possibility that kreacher has or had the locket(for all we know kreacher has given it to bellatrix)

I also think that slughorn has somthing to do with it! i dont neccesaraly think that he has one of the horcruxes but he may know who has. he has "collecetd" many students and they are all popular/well known for somthing.it is possible that he once "collected" one of rowiena ravenclaws relatives whom he may know has somthing that belonged to her. maybe this person went to school with tom and was in the slug clud with him thus informing him of the artifact they may have had.

also slughorn is very scared of the horcruxe idea, matbe he knows more still than what he told harry(if eh knows about the object possibly used as a horcruxe

My opinion:
Do you remember, during house-cleaning during the summer in OOTP, they discovered a 'heavy golden locket that none of them could open'?? I'm not sure what page it's on, but it's there. It was mentioned only in passing in the books, but I beleive that this is the REAL locket horcrux, stolen by Regulus Black (RAB) and, you guessed it, hidden in none other place than his own childhood house. I then think that Kreacher made off with it, and hid it away in his little hidey-hole boiler room bedroom. So, yes, I do beleive that Kreacher laid his hands on one of the Horcruxes. Just my opinion, though.

ps- I never noticed the whole 'collecting' similarity. very perceptive.

I really like your theory, very astute observations. This is likely to get shot down away and I'm not sure I even really think it, but I'll throw it out there...

What if Slughorn somehow 'collected' one of the Horcruxes and that's why he's hiding from Voldy. Like Hufflepuff's cup or the one we don't know about...?

I like the theory . . . but it would make even more sense considering this, which I just thought of:

Horcruxes can be destroyed, but can they be moved??? What if R.A.B. is Regulus , and finding that he couldn't destroy the horcrux, moved the soul into kreacher, knowing that two souls would probably blend, just like voldy's soul and nagini's soul have blended so he has more power over her. The reason Regulus does this is because he knows Kroldemeacher wil die soon, and if Kroldemeacher dies then Voldy and Kreachy die. WONDERFLUFF!


And to accompany this, I have thought of a spell to move a soul:

Yes, Mascini, but we know that horcruxes can be destroyed, Harry destroyed the locket and DD destroyed the ring.

Good thought, vballchik1413, about Slughorn maybe having a horcrux in his many fine possessions. I think, though, that Slughorn "collected" the main soul piece, the one inside LV, when he took Tom Riddle into the Slug Club.

I think you're right, writer101, about the locket, but either Kreacher or Mundungus "collected" that one. Kreacher is definitely a candidate, but remember that Mundungus also took things from #12, and he may have even sold it to Aberforth.