first of all i want to say that i like hagrid and don't think that he should die but i have picked up on many clues in HBP-

First of all when harry and DD go to Slughorn's house to convince him to become a teacher, " A scene of total devastation met their eyes. A grandfather clock lay spintered at their feet, its face cracked, its pendulum lying a little farther away like a droped sword. A piano was on its side, its keys strewn across the floor..." (page 63, US Hardcover Edition)
i think that the grand father clock was Dumbledore and the piano was hagrid. The pendulum as a reference to a sword is because of Griffendore's sword. And hagrid is the keeper of the keys and is large like a piano... this is no coincidece, DD died now Hagrid will.

Also hagrids burning hut at the end of HBP symbolised hagrid's death too.

In addition, aragog died which was almost part of Hagrid too.

Lastly, when a man knows that he is going to die, he drinks away, hagrid gets very drunk with slughorn at aragog's funeral... this is all foreshadowing his death.

As you can see Hagrid, will be one of the other important people in harry's life who is just going to have to dite the dust.

Umm... Too far-fetched, I think. Especially with the grandfather clock and the piano. Sorry, I don't have time now to elaborate, but I'll write more when I get back.

I don't think Hagrid dying is far-fetched I think pretty much anyone could at this point, but the clues, well I don't really think the paino or grandfather cloak was telling us anything, but It could very well be.

i agree it seems that we r reading between the lines a little too much but i also agree it could be anyone at this point!

I didn't say Hagrid dying is far-fetched, I said the grandfather clock and the piano theory is Like Emma_1fan phrased it, we are reading between the lines too much.

i think that it seemes like a pretty good idea to me.. hagrid does seem like he is too close to harry and harry does have to face LV alone... hagrid is the only adult friend that harry can go to... hagrid also does seem like the kind of guy that just has to die for the order or something- i agree with death_wish

I wouldn't call the idea of Hagrid dyeing far-fetched, in fact, I think it would be a great thing to happen. Don't get me wrong, I like Hagrid alot, but think what Hagrid has done for Harry, book 1 - helped him with the philosphers stone, book 2 - told him about Aragog, who helped him with the basclisc(sp?), book 4 - showed him the dragons (Moody told him too, but Hagrid still knowlingly cheated and still did it) book 5&6 can't think of anything. Still, on Wikepdia it said the th guy who plays Hagrid knows Hagrid's fate so that might mean that Hagrid will die . I doubt the thing about the grandfater colck and the paino, too far fetched. I would hate it if he died though.

i really dont want to see hagrid die! hes one of my favorite characters! but at this point we dont kno if he will or not. i guess this is one of those things where we just have to wait until we read the book.

I think there has been some foreshadowing of Hagrid's death and it is very possible that he will, as Voldemort could use him to get at Harry again (like how he had Sirius and DD killed) I hope he doen't, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hagrid died.

i agree. while jkr does leave many clues for us to find, i think that the clock/piano theory is far fetched and not jkr's style. i also agree that anyone could die in the seventh book, and hagrid would be on my long list of plausible charecters.

Well, like somebody already said, any character, any is apt to die in the up and coming novel, so yeah. Now, while Hagrid could be next, I'm not so sure about the symbollism, though there is tons in the books (I'm not normal, so what I'm saying, it might not make all that sense, kay?), nor am I sure about Hagrid's death being so foretold. Like others have said, It's far-fetched, and it's really not her style, I'm afriad to say, though theres probably something in there that suggests him dying, I'm just not sure what.

~La MaitressedeMort

Yeah, I agree, I think we might be reading a bit too much into it. But, you could very well be right, J.K. Rowling does put a bit of foreshadowing in her books. Although, I think this could be a little bit too far fetched. Hagrid drank because he was grieving over Aragog's death, and because Harry kept refilling the bottles. He didn't drink his own alcohol, and he might not even've drank anything if the whole thing didn't happen.

As for the grandfather clock and piano, good observation. But, as I recall, everything in the room was picked up, and the pieces were put back together again; so I'm not so sure this could represent death.

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Also don't forget that Hagrid said he was going to quit drinking after he told Voldemort/Quirrell how to get past Fluffy.

I really hope hagrid doesnt die, however i think he is an ideal character for JKR to kill off because he is so close to harry, but he isnt focal enough to the plot to change the book, like if ron or hermione died

Remember it is incredibly hard to kill a giant, even though hagrid is a half giant all the stunning spells in OOTP didnt have any effect on him, so i think if he goes he wont go wwithout a fight. I also think if he goes then a death eater(s) will be killed as well, it is will be a struggle to kill hagrid.

i agree with headmaste_dippet24 that anyone could die at this point..you never know. but that grandfather clock and the piano..was too far-fetched..i mean sure thats how it could've been. but your just making guesses...maybe JKR didnt mean to put those clues there but did mistakingly. you never know. we will just have to wait and see! but since hagrid is one of my favourite people..i do hope he doesnt die!

I happened to notice this as well. It may lead to death, or just an injury of somesort. I don't know if this is a/the clue leading to Hagrid's death or not, but I do believe that JKR has given us a bigger one.

Notice how all of Harry's close adult friends are dying. Hagrid is the only one left. I believe that he will die.

-keelyn-

I wonder how Hagrid will die if he does... I mean does he fight noblely and die or run away as a coward... I think he will be angry and go kill Snape and end up losing because of his lack of learning.

I personalliy hope that Hagrid will not die.He has been there from the very beginning and now that DD dead Hagrid is about the last teacher at Hogwarts who understands what Harry is going through. Hagrid is very helpful twards harry and might be able to help him with the tasks that lie ahead.

There might be some symbolism there if you really dissect it, but Rowling doesn't normally kill people because of symbolism she puts in other books, she generally kills simply because Harry has to fave Voldemort alone. I agree that Hagrid will probably die, but I don't think that this theory is the reason why. Also, Hagrid gets drunk on a regular basis, so if people die after they drink a lot, then Hagrid would have probably died prior to the first book.


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actually, a friend and i were just discussing something like this. It does make sense that hagrid could die. I never thought about the slughorn thing or the burning house. instead when you look at the entire series, everyone who had been close to harry dies. it starts with sirius, and then dd, but hagrid has probably been the most important, hagrid is the one that showed harry that he was a wizard. Therefore the first wizard to show harry will become the last person to die. Making it a main character to die, the second character? lv

Pritty ingenious ... I never thought about the fake disaster slughorns house being linked to hagrids (may be) death. Kudos... I do also agree that aragog's death is like killing a peice of hagrid. Some of your theory you went a little overbored, but for the most part, job well done!

i also think hagrid will die, but that theory is too far-fetched. yes mabe jk does make hints inside her books, but somethink like that...............no definatly not.

Sorry, but this has not been my experience at all... do you have any evidence to support this point? Maybe men who have had a lot of other issues in their life (including substance abuse of some kind) might respond to their immenent and inescapable death in the way you suggest, but I don't think it really relevant (especially as a generalisation such as you have made) in this case..
\I like your approach to the symbolism, with reference to the piano and the clock (don't agree with it, but it is an interesting way to read the stories..)

I don't disagree with the fact that Hagrid is high on the list of possibilities to die in the final book, but I do disagree with you reasoning as to why we might have been hinted at it..

sorry..

The piano and grandfather clock doesn't sound far-fetched. Like some people said anything is possible, well almost anything. We can't rule out anything. except the really ridiculous threads, simply cause we do not know. We have to wait till the final book comes out.

Besides Hagrid could die trying to save Harry from Voldy or another giant. We know he is not going to stand around and watch. No I think Voldy will use an unknown curse on Hagrid or a big giant will kill him. I really don't want him to die, but we just have to wait and see.

hagrid may well die in book 7 but the 'clues' dont really add up to me. i mean he was drunk doesnt mean he's dieing. he's drunk quite a lot of the time. and if some people go out for a boozer on a friday night does that mean they're all gonna die?

Like a lot of you I think there is a chance that Hagrid could die. But there is also a chance that every character in the book could die, especially people close to Harry like Hermione, Ron and Ginny.

I think voldermort is moe likely to use one of them to get to Harry than Hagrid.

Voldermort doesn't know that Hagrid still does magic with the bit of jis wand in his umbrella and I think he will not see Hagrid as a major threat.

Lets hope Hagrid is the character that JK gave a reprieve too. Along with Harry Ron Hermione Ginny Fred George Mr & Mrs Weasley, all the order, snape Shall I carry on ....... no I think you get the picture.

I want all the killings to be on Voldermorts side. Preferrably Voldermort and Bellatrix

I agree completely with this, infact, that before the thread was even started.
The first wizard who is important to harry is Hagrid then harry learns about lv. later,DD becomes close, later sirius is close to him... if you reverse this order, it is the progression of deaths- first sirius, then dd, then it will be lv and hagrid after that.

I would not be surprised to see Hagrid die in book 7. He would willingly sacrifice himself for Harry. He is not particularly powerful magically (giant blood notwithstanding). Of course, anyone could die. Hagrid seems likely.

this story is turning into a very deep story and also loads of people are been killed i think everyone wil ldie more than likely, but i realy hope hagrid doesn't, i think its so sad for harry because anyone thats been like a parent to him his being killed i feel real sorry for him but i don't think there is a slightest chance anyone is goin to survive

i think hagrid is going to die. i really don't want it to happen, but with all the evidence showing that just about everyone that harry's loved or has had as a parental figure has died, i don't thnk things are looking very good for hagrid, because we all know that hagrid would do just about anything for harry, and even with his giant blood, he doesn't really have a lot of defence. i'm also about 100% sure lupin will die too [ kinda off topic] possibly by wormtails new silver hand.

I also think that Hagrid will die in the next book (but then people have been saying this since GoF), and I also think that JKR has let slip a big hint about it.

When at "An Evening with Harry, Carrie and Garp" JKR was asked who she would invite to dinner out of the books characters and she said:



So does this not suggest that Hagrid is dead because she never said his name? Also this might point out that the trio live (but i actually think Harry becomes a ghost, but nevermind)

i dont think that hagrid would die in the next book.
see he is a great person jkr made in her book.
and she would never want to made him die in her book.
what do u think.

what you are saying makes more sense than some can see. Midnight struck on dumbledore's clock. but the piano...it might symbolise hagrids death but having more than one symbol in a room of catastrophe seems overzealous...

Like everyone before has kinda said it could be reading between the lines a bit too much but you have a point. At the moment everything is up in the air anyone could be for the chop. I hope it's not Hagrid but how you related it makes it very possible. JK did say it's a main main character, even though he's not in the trio he is still main. With DD dead anyone can die. JK is a clever she could of wrote it to mean what you said. It woulldn't surprise me but it would hurt.

x-nat-x

I think that this theory is plausible.
the thingy about the piano is not too much "reading between the lines", according to me.
atleast 2 main characters will die in book 7, source by JKR herself. and maybe Hagrid is one of them..?

i agree from GOF everyone has always said that hagrid will die because he can be killed off and it would turn the story upsidedown (like DDs death did) but it would be noticed by harry (like sirius' death) so he is all upset bout it 4 a while

we all know it is hard 2 kill a half giant but maybe if he gets into a fight maybe with lucius malfoy who h8s him a lot then he could get killed

the interview was interesting however it could just have been that she wouldnt have invited hagrid 4 dinner i mean he eats a lot of food lol!!

Hahaha lavender brown, I guess I wouldn't like to take Hagrid to dinner then either. But that quotation has a really good point' JKR is the only one who knows who dies in the next books and she stated that right after she was told to take Hagrid. So..... Also, Hagrid is now one of the only adult influences Harry still has, and Voldemort seems to like killing adults in Harry's life.

Well predicting Hagrids death is completly possible but the piano and the keys strewn and the grandfather clock, I mean I could pick millions of things in the story and predict that it could be Seamus Finnigan for gods sake.. Hagrids burning hut means nothing, I could burn a stick that doesnt mean Im going to die.

There is also another symbol of Hagrid dying in the falling of the Gryffindor rubies after the spell smashes the Gryffindor hourglass at the end of HBP. Hagrid was a Gryffindor, and his name is Rubius. The fall of Hagrid... boy will I cry!

I like hagrid but i think that you are reading to much in to it! but on the other hand JK is very clever about how she writes the books!

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the theory is great, but i just dont want Hagrid to die, he was one of the first wizard harry met and he survived in all these years. dont kill him in the next book, plz.

I liked the theory that the gryffindor rubies symbolized it. That's great, I never would have thought of that Rubies/Rubeus, on the other hand it may be as if the hourglass is too mourning the death of albus dumbledore

I really hate it when people say an idea is far-fetched!
Nothing on this site can be far-fetched
This is a book. not real life. (although some would like to think it is real)
Dont you think the idea of a teeenage wizard who escapes the killing curse is a little far-fetched!!
Honestly, this is a book. and anything can happen in a book!
I think its a good pick up, to pick up about the clock and piano. Congrats.
And i think that yes hagrid probably will die. Altohugh i hope not for Harrys sake.
Far-fetched pfft.

i dont think harry will die not by the avada kadabra anyway. the spells just bounced off him since he is part giant.[color=#6600CC][/color]

Ok so MAYBE there were some clues in the book SOMEWHERE that we didnt catch.But I dont think that the grandfather clock and piano say anythin


Good idea's tho!!Oh and I think that Wormtail will kill Lupin with his silver hand

I think there's a good chance of Hagrid dieing, even though Harry has had enough people die around him. He will probably die saving Harry's life, or something of a heroic nature.

The clues pertaining Hagrid's death do sound possible. But it could be just getting ahead of what really is happening and what will happen in the future with book seven coming out. I have to agree with Silence Dogood. He'll probably only die after having saved another life. Hagrid has a big heart. Like I have said before, we'll only know when the last book is here what lies ahead for the characters.

hmmm... I think hagrid might die but its hard to say, hes very close to harry which does make him more likley to gat killed off however i think maybe the hints sugested in teh first post are a little to vague. I guess like all theories were just gunna have to wait!

Those clues do sound convincing, but I still don't think he will die. Well,of course i hope he wont die.

I do believe the theory about Hagrid being the grand piano that lost it's keys. Look at the smilarities - they're both big, both have keys. I don't think it's too farstretched. After all, everyone always doubts the more extraordinary theories of JKR that in the end turn out to be true!
Have any of you heard before that JKR was on Leaky Cauldron, pretending to be a fan, and she dropped some "theories" on what might happen? She later said that all of what she said was harshly turned down. Same thing here - If we only believed in the normal, non-exciting theories, we might've been turning down some important ones.