I absolutely love the Harry Potter series, but in each of the books, there have been a number of things that just bother me in the books. (For instance, in GOF why doesn't Cedric float when he uses the Bubblehead charm.) Some of the things are tiny things & other are significant. I could probably come up with a few dozen items, but for OOTP, here are some of them:
1) Why is Hermione at Grimauld Place in the Summer? She has a family who actually loves her.
2) Harry is way too angry in OOTP. I know JK is going for the tortured teen thing, but I had trouble sympathizing withhis character. It was over the top.
3) When Harry found the mirror that could be used to communicate with Sirius, how did he go through the whole school year and never thinkt to use it? It would have been a lot easier than sneaking into Umbridge's office.
4) Sirius was incredibly rude to his house elf -- yet in GOF he was critical of Crouch for the same thing.
5) How could other students form the Patronus charm so easily, if it was such a great spell?
6) If Hermione is so smart to put a hex on the list of names, why would she leave the list; or was it there because it's the 'room of requirements', and Umbridge required it?
7) How does one get to be Minister of Magic? Is it an elected position? If so, when is reelection?
8) Don't they have Child Abuse laws in the wizarding world?
9) Dumbledore's explanations at the end are always too long and convoluted And during all of this, he thought it important enough to include why Harry was not chosen as a prefect (as though that mattered at the time). This time, I just wanted him to say -- "Harry, this was one battle with Valdemort and there will be others. Sirius and the other members of the OOTP will always be involved in these battles, and some of them will likely be killed. What caused the battle isn't that important. Mourn for Sirius and praise him for his bravery, but don't blame yourself for it."
Anyone have anything else to add?
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Mmm...okay...maybe if I tried to give an explanation for why I think some of these things happened, and then maybe everyone can else can say what they reckon and we'll see.....
1. Yep, I've often wondered that myself. But I put it down to the teenage thing - most kids would want to spend time with their friends rather than their parents. She's an only child, remember, so she's got no brothers or sisters to hang around with. Plus she's not likely to have many Muggle friends and all her school mates are from Hogwarts, so I personally feel that it's only natural that she wants to be with her friends.
2. I think there's far more to Harry's anger than just teen angst. something deeper. He's seen someone dying in front of him at the age of just 14...that's a huge thing for a person to deal with. Much anger is born from fear and no matter what Harry chooses to acknowledge to himself, he has to be at least a little afraid now that Voldemort is back. He feels isolated and ignored by people who are supposed to care for him and maybe he feels that he deserved more attention after witnessing such a horrible thing and a touch of immaturity might have come into play there too. Frustration, ignorance of what was going on, undealt with grief changing to anger...all these were a factor. Plus it couldn't have been particularly pleasant for him having his hand cut open every night. Umbridge would make anyone angry....
3. Yep, again, something I've often wondered myself. There's a whole thread around here somewhere discussing this ('Mirror Sirius Gave Harry', Book 6 & 7 discussion). But JKR has answered that one...in the book, Harry says that he would never use it because he was afraid that Sirius would try to come to Hogwarts or do something else to give himself away and end up back in Azkaban. Harry was more afraid for Sirius than anything else in OotP. That being said, he was still putting Sirius in danger by speaking to him through the fireplaces, but most of the time that was Sirius' choice..not Harry's. And JKR has said that even if Harry had used the mirrors, they might not have helped that much. They're introduced for another reason, I think...one that we'll find out more about in HBP.
4. Sirius' anger towards his house elf was an extension of the depression and frustration he felt at being back inside the house he hated. For him, it must have been akin to being back in Azkaban, being reminded of his mother's loathing of him, his brother's death, all the pure-blood mania stuff that he hated....It was misplaced anger, perhaps, but Kreacher represented everything about Sirius' past that he hated. People are complex creatures at the best of times, and are often hypocritical in their values when it comes to their own personal lives. I doubt Sirius would have seen his treatment of Kreacher as akin to Crouch's treatment of Winky because to him, Kreacher would have justified the anger....righteous anger is more acceptable than downright cruelty...at least, to Sirius perhaps.....
5. Yep! Agree with you....can't really think of an explanation for that one.....unless all those in DA are going to be exceptional wizards....not all of them could produce a full 'corporeal' Patronus anyway, could they? Plus, I guess, Harry had to battle past personal demons (the desire to hear his mothers voice again) in order to produce his, which means that his carries more merit than others who might not have had to overcome such barriers....
6. I don't really understand why there was a need for a list either, to be honest. I mean, if you're going to be doing something you're not supposed to be doing, you don't leave a paper trail behind you, do you? That being said, I think perhaps the reason for it was to ensure secrecy - if anyone told any of the teachers about DA, then the enchanted list would indicate which one of them was a traitor....kind of a simpler equivalent to the Fidelius charm, perhaps.
7. No idea, mate. I would imagine, like most things political, the 'Prime Minister' is elected from within the party (internal votes) and then the party is elected by the people in a general election. But no mention of any other 'parties' have been made, so I guess that the Minister might be elected internally? **shrugs** Who knows....
8. I'm sure they do, but it's a controversial topic. Nivaya raised an issue about wizarding mental health too, but again perhaps JKR wouldn't deal directly with such a sensitive subject. They should do, wizards are just as likely to abuse children as Muggles are, although I guess they'd be better at covering it up. If you're referring to Umbridge's quill, then I definitely agree with you. Absolutely disgusting....it must have been a Dark object....surely that thing wasn't legal. But I suppose she would have justified it as corporal punishment....painful, but not life threatening. Like in schools they used to use the cane.....but it's cruel, degrading and completely and utterly unacceptable to punish children in such a way, which is why it was outlawed. Violence is never the answer....and I agree, it is akin to child abuse. Just like Petunia and Vernon should be brought up on charges for keeping Harry locked up in a cupboard for years...now THAT's definitely child abuse.....along with restricting his meals....
9. I agree to an extent, but I think that you might have missed the point there....no offense meant!
DD's explanations are somewhat convoluted, and frustratingly inadequate most of the time, but I really do feel that he said everything that needed to be said, whether or not it was what Harry wanted to hear at the time. Harry is a child and he cannot possibly fully comprehend the enormity of the events that are going on around him and he has to bow to DD's experience and knowledge, comforted by the fact that DD has always had his best interests at heart even though that emotional involvement has sometimes led to his making poor decisions. Harry, at that moment, was grief stricken....in probably more pain than he had ever been throughout his entire life. He was struggling with it, DD could see that, and so, as kind of a concluding thought in the deeply significant ensuing silence after their conversation, DD adds one further explanation that he knew had bothered Harry right from the start of the book....
Personally, that last comment touched me more deeply than anything else that was said between them and actually made me cry....more so than Sirius' death. I could imagine it being spoken with such tender gentleness and love....so quietly, almost like a whisper....it was incredibly moving....it was the first time, I think, that DD has shed a tear.....I'm sure that if you re-read that bit, you'd see what I mean....
1. Yep, I've often wondered that myself. But I put it down to the teenage thing - most kids would want to spend time with their friends rather than their parents. She's an only child, remember, so she's got no brothers or sisters to hang around with. Plus she's not likely to have many Muggle friends and all her school mates are from Hogwarts, so I personally feel that it's only natural that she wants to be with her friends.
2. I think there's far more to Harry's anger than just teen angst. something deeper. He's seen someone dying in front of him at the age of just 14...that's a huge thing for a person to deal with. Much anger is born from fear and no matter what Harry chooses to acknowledge to himself, he has to be at least a little afraid now that Voldemort is back. He feels isolated and ignored by people who are supposed to care for him and maybe he feels that he deserved more attention after witnessing such a horrible thing and a touch of immaturity might have come into play there too. Frustration, ignorance of what was going on, undealt with grief changing to anger...all these were a factor. Plus it couldn't have been particularly pleasant for him having his hand cut open every night. Umbridge would make anyone angry....
3. Yep, again, something I've often wondered myself. There's a whole thread around here somewhere discussing this ('Mirror Sirius Gave Harry', Book 6 & 7 discussion). But JKR has answered that one...in the book, Harry says that he would never use it because he was afraid that Sirius would try to come to Hogwarts or do something else to give himself away and end up back in Azkaban. Harry was more afraid for Sirius than anything else in OotP. That being said, he was still putting Sirius in danger by speaking to him through the fireplaces, but most of the time that was Sirius' choice..not Harry's. And JKR has said that even if Harry had used the mirrors, they might not have helped that much. They're introduced for another reason, I think...one that we'll find out more about in HBP.
4. Sirius' anger towards his house elf was an extension of the depression and frustration he felt at being back inside the house he hated. For him, it must have been akin to being back in Azkaban, being reminded of his mother's loathing of him, his brother's death, all the pure-blood mania stuff that he hated....It was misplaced anger, perhaps, but Kreacher represented everything about Sirius' past that he hated. People are complex creatures at the best of times, and are often hypocritical in their values when it comes to their own personal lives. I doubt Sirius would have seen his treatment of Kreacher as akin to Crouch's treatment of Winky because to him, Kreacher would have justified the anger....righteous anger is more acceptable than downright cruelty...at least, to Sirius perhaps.....
5. Yep! Agree with you....can't really think of an explanation for that one.....unless all those in DA are going to be exceptional wizards....not all of them could produce a full 'corporeal' Patronus anyway, could they? Plus, I guess, Harry had to battle past personal demons (the desire to hear his mothers voice again) in order to produce his, which means that his carries more merit than others who might not have had to overcome such barriers....
6. I don't really understand why there was a need for a list either, to be honest. I mean, if you're going to be doing something you're not supposed to be doing, you don't leave a paper trail behind you, do you? That being said, I think perhaps the reason for it was to ensure secrecy - if anyone told any of the teachers about DA, then the enchanted list would indicate which one of them was a traitor....kind of a simpler equivalent to the Fidelius charm, perhaps.
7. No idea, mate. I would imagine, like most things political, the 'Prime Minister' is elected from within the party (internal votes) and then the party is elected by the people in a general election. But no mention of any other 'parties' have been made, so I guess that the Minister might be elected internally? **shrugs** Who knows....
8. I'm sure they do, but it's a controversial topic. Nivaya raised an issue about wizarding mental health too, but again perhaps JKR wouldn't deal directly with such a sensitive subject. They should do, wizards are just as likely to abuse children as Muggles are, although I guess they'd be better at covering it up. If you're referring to Umbridge's quill, then I definitely agree with you. Absolutely disgusting....it must have been a Dark object....surely that thing wasn't legal. But I suppose she would have justified it as corporal punishment....painful, but not life threatening. Like in schools they used to use the cane.....but it's cruel, degrading and completely and utterly unacceptable to punish children in such a way, which is why it was outlawed. Violence is never the answer....and I agree, it is akin to child abuse. Just like Petunia and Vernon should be brought up on charges for keeping Harry locked up in a cupboard for years...now THAT's definitely child abuse.....along with restricting his meals....
9. I agree to an extent, but I think that you might have missed the point there....no offense meant!
DD's explanations are somewhat convoluted, and frustratingly inadequate most of the time, but I really do feel that he said everything that needed to be said, whether or not it was what Harry wanted to hear at the time. Harry is a child and he cannot possibly fully comprehend the enormity of the events that are going on around him and he has to bow to DD's experience and knowledge, comforted by the fact that DD has always had his best interests at heart even though that emotional involvement has sometimes led to his making poor decisions. Harry, at that moment, was grief stricken....in probably more pain than he had ever been throughout his entire life. He was struggling with it, DD could see that, and so, as kind of a concluding thought in the deeply significant ensuing silence after their conversation, DD adds one further explanation that he knew had bothered Harry right from the start of the book....Personally, that last comment touched me more deeply than anything else that was said between them and actually made me cry....more so than Sirius' death. I could imagine it being spoken with such tender gentleness and love....so quietly, almost like a whisper....it was incredibly moving....it was the first time, I think, that DD has shed a tear.....I'm sure that if you re-read that bit, you'd see what I mean....
Wow! Awesome explaination there, Dana....I couldn't agree with you more....though I'd like to add on why those DA students can easily conjure up Patronus than Harry in PoA...
1. I'm sure that most of them hadn't spend their first 11 years living horribly...thus, they must have numerous of happy memories to choose from...although Lavender, Neville and Seamus had some difficulty. I think Neville must be because of living with his grandmother and the fact that his parents are insane. No idea on Lavender and Seamus though...
2. Harry had also been reminding them that producing Patronus when not under treat are completely different with when facing an actual Dementor. In other words, their capability of producing a corporeal Patronus had not been tested yet...
3. At the end of PoA, Harry had been able to produce Patronus when facing not one but hundreds of Dementors...
Finally, I totally agree with Dana on DD last comment...I had flipped thru and read them just now and felt this lump at my throat....we learn that a person as great as DD is just human...and make mistakes...and he couldn't possibly solve every problem at hand....that single tear said it all....
1. I'm sure that most of them hadn't spend their first 11 years living horribly...thus, they must have numerous of happy memories to choose from...although Lavender, Neville and Seamus had some difficulty. I think Neville must be because of living with his grandmother and the fact that his parents are insane. No idea on Lavender and Seamus though...
2. Harry had also been reminding them that producing Patronus when not under treat are completely different with when facing an actual Dementor. In other words, their capability of producing a corporeal Patronus had not been tested yet...
3. At the end of PoA, Harry had been able to produce Patronus when facing not one but hundreds of Dementors...
Finally, I totally agree with Dana on DD last comment...I had flipped thru and read them just now and felt this lump at my throat....we learn that a person as great as DD is just human...and make mistakes...and he couldn't possibly solve every problem at hand....that single tear said it all....
My largest complaint had to be at the end of Dumbledore's explination, with his mention of Ron as Prefect and his reasons why he didn't give the position to Harry. I literally became outraged and insulted on the behalf of not only Ron, but also Neville, Seamus, and Dean. I felt it was a horrible slap in their faces, especially Ron's. Harry is not the end all be all. It has always been clear (and to a point understanable) that Dumbledore has played favorites with Harry. That would cause his judgement to be slanted when it came time to choose the Male Prefect for their class.
When Hermione made the comment of natually presuming that it would be Harry as Prefect (paraphrasing) I think that stems from the above mentioned knowledge Hermione has of Dumbledore's fondness of Harry. Completely set aside Harry's heroics and focus solely on his acedemic career. Because, to be honest, as a student, Harry has done more than his fair share of trouble making to warrant him not getting the position of Prefect. His grades are average at best. He's had more dentions to go along with the trouble making.... In all fairness Harry should be one of the last out of the five to be chosen for Prefect position.
But in general, I felt that Dumbledore's cop out reasoning was unecessary to begin with and a complete insult to Ron.
When Hermione made the comment of natually presuming that it would be Harry as Prefect (paraphrasing) I think that stems from the above mentioned knowledge Hermione has of Dumbledore's fondness of Harry. Completely set aside Harry's heroics and focus solely on his acedemic career. Because, to be honest, as a student, Harry has done more than his fair share of trouble making to warrant him not getting the position of Prefect. His grades are average at best. He's had more dentions to go along with the trouble making.... In all fairness Harry should be one of the last out of the five to be chosen for Prefect position.
But in general, I felt that Dumbledore's cop out reasoning was unecessary to begin with and a complete insult to Ron.
Mmm....I don't think that being made a Prefect is necessarily a reward for being good throughout your academic life, to be honest. I don't even think it has anything to do with academic achievement in and of itself. I think that a person needs to display other qualities such as good communication skills, the ability to demonstrate authority when needed but also not to be so rigid as to be robotic, the ability to not let quarrels that arise through prefecting duties to taint personal relationships, to be able to multi-task - to cope with school work as well as the demands of being a prefect....and, of course, the ability to command respect from your peers.
I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's minds really that Harry would probably have been made a prefect had his circumstances been different.
Dumbledore showed great sensitivity to Harry there....he knows he was grieving for Sirius and everything else, but he also knew that underneath it all, Harry might also be feeling a little bitter about the year he'd had overall.....he was acknowledging Harry's loss at the same time as offering him some kind of explanation for why he hadn't been chosen as a prefect because he knew that it was an issue that was bothering him. Yes, I know it wasn't exactly a top priority issue when Harry had just lost someone that he loved very much, but it was an issue nonetheless and it helped to move the conversation away from the brevity of their discussion before the silence - a silence that fell because there was nothing more to say.
I don't think that DD's acknowledgement of any of that was really an insult to Ron or anyone else who had been made a prefect because it takes nothing away from them personally. They would never have been made prefects in the first place if DD hadn't seen something special within them all. His comments were simply an acknowledgement of Harry's feelings in that particular moment, that's all....
I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's minds really that Harry would probably have been made a prefect had his circumstances been different.
Dumbledore showed great sensitivity to Harry there....he knows he was grieving for Sirius and everything else, but he also knew that underneath it all, Harry might also be feeling a little bitter about the year he'd had overall.....he was acknowledging Harry's loss at the same time as offering him some kind of explanation for why he hadn't been chosen as a prefect because he knew that it was an issue that was bothering him. Yes, I know it wasn't exactly a top priority issue when Harry had just lost someone that he loved very much, but it was an issue nonetheless and it helped to move the conversation away from the brevity of their discussion before the silence - a silence that fell because there was nothing more to say.
I don't think that DD's acknowledgement of any of that was really an insult to Ron or anyone else who had been made a prefect because it takes nothing away from them personally. They would never have been made prefects in the first place if DD hadn't seen something special within them all. His comments were simply an acknowledgement of Harry's feelings in that particular moment, that's all....
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| 2. Harry had also been reminding them that producing Patronus when not under treat are completely different with when facing an actual Dementor. In other words, their capability of producing a corporeal Patronus had not been tested yet... |
Yep exactly my thoughts there... they can all make patronus's when there are no Dementors around, but can they do it in the face of one? I don't recall if they had a bogart or anything to practice on... did they?
And I'm not sure what to think of DD's explanation about Ron being prefect and not Harry, at the time I didn't really think of it as anything important... I was like okay, DD is trying to make Harry feel better by telling him this. And I mean, if it's true... I don't think that's the *only* reason Ron was made a prefect... it was just the one DD felt he should disclose at the time. How often is it that DD makes the full truth clearly visible really? This'll just be another added to the pile of questions I guess...
As for the mirror, I was disappointed that Harry never thought to use it. Or even thought to go to Snape before going to great lengths to ensure Umbridges office...
When it comes to the list though... hmm... good question. I never really thought about it before, I suppose it would be just to ensure that the person who turned on them would be brought to full justice. I mean, even if there wasn't a list... if Umbridge had caught them going into the RoR after being tipped off about it, the person who did the tipping would be free as a bird and Umbridge would still have her captives. Plus the snitch could give away any others anyway..
That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure I'll add more later..
I want to add a comment about Dumbledore's explanations at the end of all the books. Dumbledore's talks with Harry are my favorite part of all the books. Not only does Rowling use Dumbledore to explain what happened in the story, but she also uses him to convey moral messages. In OotP, Dumbledore talks about how wizards have treated house elves and other creatures unfairly. She seems to be talking about prejudice and bigotry in general through her discussion of the house elves. I've read "The Wisdom of Harry Potter" by Kern and I think he did a good job of discussing the morality of the Harry Potter series.
I also had a slightly different view of Dumbledore's comment about why he didn't choose Harry as a prefect. I agree with Dana_Scully that this was one of the most touching dialogue of the book. I got very emotional when I read this part. I think that Dumbledore, in addition to making Harry feel better about not becoming a prefect, was trying to convey to Harry that he understood the enormity of the responsibility that he had just given to Harry by telling him about the prophecy. In the end, Harry will have an extremely difficult choice to make. He will have to choose between "what is right and what is easy".
I also had a slightly different view of Dumbledore's comment about why he didn't choose Harry as a prefect. I agree with Dana_Scully that this was one of the most touching dialogue of the book. I got very emotional when I read this part. I think that Dumbledore, in addition to making Harry feel better about not becoming a prefect, was trying to convey to Harry that he understood the enormity of the responsibility that he had just given to Harry by telling him about the prophecy. In the end, Harry will have an extremely difficult choice to make. He will have to choose between "what is right and what is easy".
Here, here, mcgonagall!! Well said!! That's exactly what I meant...Dumbledore was acknowledging the huge responsibility he had just placed on Harry's shoulders....but that still takes nothing away from Ron and the others....
Harry's got a very tough road ahead of him.....
Harry's got a very tough road ahead of him.....
Wow! Everyone is focusing on the Dumbledore speech.
The Harry Potter books are all written entirely from his perspective. This is one way for an author to present a story. Alternatively, she could write various chapters from many characters perspectives. JKR's approach has its strengths in that Harry may not know an important details, or he may misinterpret different details -- we as the readers get drawn along with him. The downside of this approach is that the reader needs to have closure to thes misunderstandings at some point, and JKR uses the Dumbledore speech (and in GoF, the Valdemort speech) to give us those details.
As a rule, the more detail that the reader can learn in other ways the better (for example, through conflict, or even dribbling the details from another character throughout the story). Picture one of these really bad spy movies where the bad guy spills the beans to the hero before he kills him (just before the hero excapes to save the day.) In OOTP, this speech became particularly long because Dumbledore would not speak to Harry throughout the book. This meant that he had to tell Harry everything at the end. (ouch!)
Onto the other comment -- I did appreciate the emotional nature of Dumbledore's comment about Harry not being prefect. I just thought his timing was wrong. It just felt so unimportant next to Sirus' death. Put yourself in Harry's place -- would you care to learn why you weren't chosen as captain of a sports team the day after your father died!
However, the reason I wrote this thread was to see if anyone else had seen any other simple or even complex logical inconsistencies that I didn't mention.
BTW -- I, too, think Ron was correctly chose prefect on his own merits. After all, Harry is the consummate rule breaker, and Ron (like Remus) would have been chose prefect to keep him in line.
The Harry Potter books are all written entirely from his perspective. This is one way for an author to present a story. Alternatively, she could write various chapters from many characters perspectives. JKR's approach has its strengths in that Harry may not know an important details, or he may misinterpret different details -- we as the readers get drawn along with him. The downside of this approach is that the reader needs to have closure to thes misunderstandings at some point, and JKR uses the Dumbledore speech (and in GoF, the Valdemort speech) to give us those details.
As a rule, the more detail that the reader can learn in other ways the better (for example, through conflict, or even dribbling the details from another character throughout the story). Picture one of these really bad spy movies where the bad guy spills the beans to the hero before he kills him (just before the hero excapes to save the day.) In OOTP, this speech became particularly long because Dumbledore would not speak to Harry throughout the book. This meant that he had to tell Harry everything at the end. (ouch!)
Onto the other comment -- I did appreciate the emotional nature of Dumbledore's comment about Harry not being prefect. I just thought his timing was wrong. It just felt so unimportant next to Sirus' death. Put yourself in Harry's place -- would you care to learn why you weren't chosen as captain of a sports team the day after your father died!
However, the reason I wrote this thread was to see if anyone else had seen any other simple or even complex logical inconsistencies that I didn't mention.
BTW -- I, too, think Ron was correctly chose prefect on his own merits. After all, Harry is the consummate rule breaker, and Ron (like Remus) would have been chose prefect to keep him in line.
You all have good posts...though rather long lol.
I didn't really have any problems with OotP...course I hardly ever have any problems with JKR's work.
I didn't really have any problems with OotP...course I hardly ever have any problems with JKR's work.
I don't have major problems with the books. Sometimes there are minor inconsistencies that I wonder about. Nothing in Ootp bothers me as much as the bubblehead charm in GOF (Why couldn't Hermione find that spell and, more importantly, why doesn't Cedric float???)
My greatest complaint with Ootp is the mirror. I know JKR tries to explain it away on her website by saying that Harry doesn't use it so that he doesn't encourage Sirius to come to Hogwarts -- that is all fine and good, but then Harry goes to so much trouble to use Umbridge's fireplace (twice???)
If the mirror is important in future books, it would have been simple for her to overcome this dilemma by 1) Having Harry use the mirror early in the book and having Umbridge discover it or 2) Having Sirius send it before he died, but afterlate in the book.
My greatest complaint with Ootp is the mirror. I know JKR tries to explain it away on her website by saying that Harry doesn't use it so that he doesn't encourage Sirius to come to Hogwarts -- that is all fine and good, but then Harry goes to so much trouble to use Umbridge's fireplace (twice???)
If the mirror is important in future books, it would have been simple for her to overcome this dilemma by 1) Having Harry use the mirror early in the book and having Umbridge discover it or 2) Having Sirius send it before he died, but afterlate in the book.
Yeah, I do agree with you....I have to be honest....JKR's explanation didn't really sit right with me either....
I'll wait and see what she has lined up for the mirror in the next two books before I pass judgement, but so far, I have to say, I think your suggestions would have made far more sense in the long run.....
I'll wait and see what she has lined up for the mirror in the next two books before I pass judgement, but so far, I have to say, I think your suggestions would have made far more sense in the long run.....
About the mirror, at the end of the book, didn't it say that he forgot all about the mirror until he pulled it out of his bag?
i agree that JKR went a litlle over the top with some things but the books did turn out good in the end. 
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| About the mirror, at the end of the book, didn't it say that he forgot all about the mirror until he pulled it out of his bag? |
Yes, but then he threw it into his trunk or something, I believe, and it shattered. For more info on the mirror.. or the rather long theories these brilliant minds *coughDana&Ashleighcough* have conjured about the mirror.. see the 'Mirror Sirius Gave Harry' topic in Book 6 & 7 Discussion.. as said previously by Dana.
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| 2. I think there's far more to Harry's anger than just teen angst. something deeper. He's seen someone dying in front of him at the age of just 14...that's a huge thing for a person to deal with. Much anger is born from fear and no matter what Harry chooses to acknowledge to himself, he has to be at least a little afraid now that Voldemort is back. He feels isolated and ignored by people who are supposed to care for him and maybe he feels that he deserved more attention after witnessing such a horrible thing and a touch of immaturity might have come into play there too. Frustration, ignorance of what was going on, undealt with grief changing to anger...all these were a factor. Plus it couldn't have been particularly pleasant for him having his hand cut open every night. Umbridge would make anyone angry.... |
You said exactly what I wanted to say!... I think I'll say it in my own words now.. but I loved the way you wrote it!
Soo.. like Dana said, Harry witnessed something that will most definitely make an impact on his life, his thoughts, his feelings, his future most especially. Death is tragic for anyone, but to see it happening in front of you... only increases the level of tragedy. I think Harry has some sort of guilt in him, because of his helplessness when Cedric was attacked by Voldemort.. he's always used to helping people, being the hero.. saving the day and in this case, there really wasn't anything he could do about it, except to live with the fact that Cedric is dead. The reason he is so angry, is because no one wants to talk about it with him, in fear of touching a rather sensitive spot in Harry... but I think that's what Harry needs, is to release all this unhealthy emotion mounting up in him...otherwise, it results in angry (verrryy angry) backlashes..if you remember him yelling at Ron & Hermione.
Anywho, what I'm ultimately trying to point out here.. is that Harry's anger was misinterpreted by many as some kind of 'phase' in his life and one that he would get over eventually, but not in this case I'm afraid. I've heard many people say things like "He was just being a whiny baby".. and really, they're quite wrong. Like Dana mentioned.. he was experiencing frustration -- people looked at him differently..way differently as last summer, ignorance-- because no one wanted to talk about what was really going on, and undealt with grief-- he didn't have much time to himself to get over what happened.. I mean, he had all summer.. but that's STILL to short to get over something like that.. that's just my verryyyyyyyy long take on this..
Dana, hermione isn't only child. She has a younger sister. JKR said it herself, I read it on site..
And the mirror annoyed me!!!
And the mirror annoyed me!!!
Hermione DOES NOT have a sister. JK's site says that she is an only child.. I don't know where you got that, but it sure isn't true. Sorry, just thought I'd correct you..
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Oh btw, why did the mirror annoy you?
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Oh btw, why did the mirror annoy you?
Go to the-patronus.net/forums, then there's a topic about Ron and Hermione I made, and someone reacted on my topic and put a site in the reply, a site for ron and hermione shippers, and I believe it was on that site...
And the mirror annoyed me cos harry had it all year, but thought about it when sirius was dead
And the mirror annoyed me cos harry had it all year, but thought about it when sirius was dead
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| Dana, hermione isn't only child. She has a younger sister. JKR said it herself, I read it on site.. And the mirror annoyed me!!! |
Erm...I never said Hermione was an only child, did I?
I thought we were talking about things in OotP? Although, incidentally, she is, just like tash said, because JKR said so on her own official site. Anything else on the internet about Harry Potter is just pants and should be taken with a huge great big spoonful of salt, I'm sorry, unless it came from JKR herself....which this did..... 
| QUOTE (Dana_Scully @ Sep 11 2004, 05:59 PM) |
| 1. Yep, I've often wondered that myself. But I put it down to the teenage thing - most kids would want to spend time with their friends rather than their parents. She's an only child, remember, so she's got no brothers or sisters to hang around with. Plus she's not likely to have many Muggle friends and all her school mates are from Hogwarts, so I personally feel that it's only natural that she wants to be with her friends. |
Yes Dana, you did in fact say it... or type it for that matter. However, you are correct and so am I.
Lynn, I agree with Dana.. don't believe it unless it comes from JK herself!
Oh dear... Talk about catching it in the butt..... 
What good memories you guys have!!! I'm blown if I can remember typing that....even with the evidence right there!! But September was ages ago!! And I am an oldie....they do say that the first thing to go is the memory, right?
Anywho.....it was right, so hey-ho....
Next theory please!!!
Talk about catching it in the butt..... What good memories you guys have!!! I'm blown if I can remember typing that....even with the evidence right there!! But September was ages ago!! And I am an oldie....they do say that the first thing to go is the memory, right? Anywho.....it was right, so hey-ho....
Next theory please!!!
There have so many discussions about that mirror! The irony of it all! Harry thought'd he never be able to use it or that he might get in trouble with Umbridge. Couldn't life just go our way? lol. Nope sorry, and I think we'll just have to cope with the death like Harry is.
I seriously thought Harry went insane during the fifth book. I guess hormones+sorrow+rage = insanity? I really don't know but I thought he went like out of control with his emotions. I vaguely remembering wanting to punch Harry or something. . .
I seriously thought Harry went insane during the fifth book. I guess hormones+sorrow+rage = insanity? I really don't know but I thought he went like out of control with his emotions. I vaguely remembering wanting to punch Harry or something. . .
Ahahah... you wanted to punch him? Can you imagine if HP was in fact, a real person.. there are probably billions of people who'd want to knock some sense into him..
I think the reason why most people become frustrated with the mirror is because Harry completely forgot about it.... he had it all along, but he didn't want to get Sirius caught... I guess that's why he tried to communicate through the fire places (I'm being sardonic )..
I think the reason why most people become frustrated with the mirror is because Harry completely forgot about it.... he had it all along, but he didn't want to get Sirius caught... I guess that's why he tried to communicate through the fire places (I'm being sardonic
)..
I think the reason the mirror was there was to make getting caught in Umbridge's fire more ironic. I don't think that it won't have anything much to do with the outcome of the series..
That's a good speculation... but other people think otherwise, including me.
JK mentioned something about the future importance of the mirror in the last 2 books.
I made a thread about the mirror in 'Book 6 & 7 Discussion: Mirror Sirius Gave Harry' and there are loads, I really mean.... loads of theories... you have been warned... lol.
JK mentioned something about the future importance of the mirror in the last 2 books.
I made a thread about the mirror in 'Book 6 & 7 Discussion: Mirror Sirius Gave Harry' and there are loads, I really mean.... loads of theories... you have been warned...
lol.
this is really the only thing bothering me, its if Harry killed proffessor Quirrel in the first one then how come he couldn't see the thestrals until after he saw Cedric die...or in that case how come he couldn't see them in the first one after he saw his parents die...its probably cuz he couldnt remember but still.
Yeah I suppose so.
Buttman, the reason is that the death of those people hadn't really sank in yet. Like he hadn't gotten over it yet.
The only way that I could see the mirror being useful is if Harry could communicate with Sirius. But JKR said that Sirius was gone forever. So that brings me back to square one!!!
Buttman, the reason is that the death of those people hadn't really sank in yet. Like he hadn't gotten over it yet.
The only way that I could see the mirror being useful is if Harry could communicate with Sirius. But JKR said that Sirius was gone forever. So that brings me back to square one!!!
I guess none of those things really bothered me that much-- with the exception of Harry being so angry. I understand that he had a lot of reasons to be angry, but he took it out on other people a lot, rather harshly, when they couldn't know it was coming. It's not as though I don't like Harry anymore, but that is one thing I hope he's going to change.
And about Sirius being inconsistent about the house elves... he's never been terribly consistent with some things; JKR even says so herself in the jkrowling.com FAQs.
And about Sirius being inconsistent about the house elves... he's never been terribly consistent with some things; JKR even says so herself in the jkrowling.com FAQs.
cool avatar kalondo!
I think Sirius's inconsistency with the house-elves is yet another way Rowling wanted to show irony. He didn't expect Kreacher to be much of a threat, but he was wrong the whole time. It's really sad. Sirius' death could probably been prevented if he had been nice to a darn house-elf!
I think Sirius's inconsistency with the house-elves is yet another way Rowling wanted to show irony. He didn't expect Kreacher to be much of a threat, but he was wrong the whole time. It's really sad. Sirius' death could probably been prevented if he had been nice to a darn house-elf!
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Ah, but I think that was the whole point, Joe...
I'm sure JKR has a bigger moral lesson in there somewhere that's going to become apparent in the next books because I really do think that the house elves are going to rebel soon.
On a related note though, I wonder what will become of Kreacher now? I wonder if someone will accidently-on-purpose slip with the bread knife and make sure his head joins those of his ancestors on the stairs?
Yeah I know, Dana. That's what bothers me. . . Our lives are only filled with things like "if only. . . ." The truth hurts.
It really looks like the house elves will rebel. I see what you mean now because Rowling has been consistent in keeping the subplot house elves from the CoS - OoTP.
Kreacher was still there after Sirius' death. I don't think they did anything to him though. I'll check if they did. Dumbledore knows Kreacher can't be trusted and he surely won't make the same mistake twice. Kreacher must be kicked out or uhhh an "accident" has to happen to him.
It really looks like the house elves will rebel. I see what you mean now because Rowling has been consistent in keeping the subplot house elves from the CoS - OoTP.
Kreacher was still there after Sirius' death. I don't think they did anything to him though. I'll check if they did. Dumbledore knows Kreacher can't be trusted and he surely won't make the same mistake twice. Kreacher must be kicked out or uhhh an "accident" has to happen to him.
Well Krecher can't be kicked out, he knows way too much. I for one hope that a particaully painful "accident" happens to him.
A thing that annoyed me was (and I'm positive this was said) if Reamus is staying at Grimmauld Place, even though he was out a lot for the order, shouldn't we had seen some more of lovable Lupin?
Wonder if Lupin wil inherit the house, of course that's another topic ain't it
A thing that annoyed me was (and I'm positive this was said) if Reamus is staying at Grimmauld Place, even though he was out a lot for the order, shouldn't we had seen some more of lovable Lupin?
Wonder if Lupin wil inherit the house, of course that's another topic ain't it
Thanks Joe.
lol, you guys are so morbid. However, I do think that Kreacher probably ought to die. *hem hem* Because I feel a little sorry for him. He's not much help to anyone, and he could be used by Voldie again, which would totally suck. And besides... he's so annoying. Not quite as annoying as Mrs. Black's portrait, but nearly. So yeah, I hope he gets put out of his misery.
I don't know what to think about the house elves. My first reaction was "WHAT? YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM AS SLAVES, YOU CRETINS!" but now... ehh. I was perturbed by Rowling's calm portrayal of the elves as being happy with thralldom. I still am.
lol, you guys are so morbid. However, I do think that Kreacher probably ought to die. *hem hem* Because I feel a little sorry for him. He's not much help to anyone, and he could be used by Voldie again, which would totally suck. And besides... he's so annoying. Not quite as annoying as Mrs. Black's portrait, but nearly. So yeah, I hope he gets put out of his misery.
I don't know what to think about the house elves. My first reaction was "WHAT? YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM AS SLAVES, YOU CRETINS!" but now... ehh. I was perturbed by Rowling's calm portrayal of the elves as being happy with thralldom. I still am.
I like the fact that the house-eleve enjoy bneing slaves. Oh dear, that didn't come out right now did it? I mean that I think it adds a lot more plot and depth to the subplot if JK adds that because if they hated there work then people could just "see the light" and find out they were wrong and then let the house elves go. With the idea that the house elves enjoy the slavery plopped right into the story it makes things just a bit more complicated.
Of course then it brings up the question, did the house elves always enjoy slavery or did they adapt and learn to love/put up with the slavery after years of being put through this by wizards. You know, like the wizards shaped the house-elves to the pathetic creatures they are today. Of course, I don't think that if this is true the wizards started out trying to find a way to create pathetic creatures, only used to the life they've lived for centuries, forced by powerful magic to stay with a single family, even if it is againist their will and to punish themselves with horrible punishments if they even slightly disobey their masters. And to their masters they aren't anything importent, just another appliance, just another handy piece of technolgy. Not a living breathing thing with ideas and feelings. Nope I think that if house elves were created to be what they are today then a wizard didn't set out for them to turn out like this, they were simply to lazy to do anything for themselves and they didn't want to have to pay anything to get it.
I can definatly see a house-elf rebellion, should be quite interesting to see.
Oh, house-elves are also used sort of as a tool to get a higher social class aren't they. Like only the rich and elite are worthy enough to recieve one. But then what if say Winky and Dobby both sereved the Malfoys and they have a baby, has that mean that the Malfoys then have 3 house-elves all to themselves? You know since a house elf and their descendants are forced to serve a pictular family until their master gives them a item of colthing. I guess that house-elves couldn't do laundry then, since that would involve them touching their master's clothing. But then Herimone wouldn't really be freeing the house elves would she? Since you must be their master to free them.
Oh my, I type much more than I ment to, sorry for making y'all read so much about house-elves!
Of course then it brings up the question, did the house elves always enjoy slavery or did they adapt and learn to love/put up with the slavery after years of being put through this by wizards. You know, like the wizards shaped the house-elves to the pathetic creatures they are today. Of course, I don't think that if this is true the wizards started out trying to find a way to create pathetic creatures, only used to the life they've lived for centuries, forced by powerful magic to stay with a single family, even if it is againist their will and to punish themselves with horrible punishments if they even slightly disobey their masters. And to their masters they aren't anything importent, just another appliance, just another handy piece of technolgy. Not a living breathing thing with ideas and feelings. Nope I think that if house elves were created to be what they are today then a wizard didn't set out for them to turn out like this, they were simply to lazy to do anything for themselves and they didn't want to have to pay anything to get it.
I can definatly see a house-elf rebellion, should be quite interesting to see.
Oh, house-elves are also used sort of as a tool to get a higher social class aren't they. Like only the rich and elite are worthy enough to recieve one. But then what if say Winky and Dobby both sereved the Malfoys and they have a baby, has that mean that the Malfoys then have 3 house-elves all to themselves? You know since a house elf and their descendants are forced to serve a pictular family until their master gives them a item of colthing. I guess that house-elves couldn't do laundry then, since that would involve them touching their master's clothing. But then Herimone wouldn't really be freeing the house elves would she? Since you must be their master to free them.
Oh my, I type much more than I ment to, sorry for making y'all read so much about house-elves!
Hmmm, right, I think that the house elves' enjoyment thing does add depth and erm... complication to the whole thing. It certainly makes you think about it, which I like. But I don't like the slave thing- I think I've stated that enough by now, lol. And I have to say, while theoretically a rebellion seems pretty likely, JKR is certainly making us wait. At the end of book 5 the elves (minus of course Dobby) are still appalled at the idea of being freed.
It's so funny when Hermione hides scarves and hats in the Gryffindor quarters. Go SPEW! Heheh.
It's so funny when Hermione hides scarves and hats in the Gryffindor quarters. Go SPEW! Heheh.
While we're on the topic of Hermione, I'm very annoyed at Harry once again for his recklessness. He always thinks he can think on instinct and be so impulsive, when he could have just listened to logic. When Hermione told Harry not to pull off the stunt to save Sirius because of a dream, he wouldn't listen. She even told him that it might just be Voldemort knowing that he always wanted to play "hero". And, Hermione constantly reminded Harry to take up Occlumency with Snape again. But he just wouldn't listen. He knows Hermione is smart. It would've helped if he just listened to her! Hermione was right and she might as well be right about the elves too. There seems to be a pattern. . .
People should really take Hermione seriously.
P.S. - Yes, I am rather morbid. lol.
People should really take Hermione seriously.
P.S. - Yes, I am rather morbid. lol.
Well, I think that it was part of the dramatic irony. That Sirius would not be dead if it weren't for Harry's *stupidity* lack of recognition that he was being used by Voldemort.
I could write a really long post but then only come to the conclusion that the death of Sirius is really a conglomerate of about a thousand people making mistakes. So in other words it is a true representation of my life..
So I suppose you could blame Harry for making the most mistakes. Teenagers (me) make very rash decisions which lead older people into thinking 'what are they doing?' he was just being a kid.
I could write a really long post but then only come to the conclusion that the death of Sirius is really a conglomerate of about a thousand people making mistakes. So in other words it is a true representation of my life..
So I suppose you could blame Harry for making the most mistakes. Teenagers (me) make very rash decisions which lead older people into thinking 'what are they doing?' he was just being a kid.
I know it's dramatic irony but it always makes me sad thinking about it.(Mystic River too!)
Imagine, the whole world resting in the hands of Harry or Voldemort. Ack, no wonder Harry went insane in Dumbledore's office. You think there are such things as magical psychologists?
Moving on, I don't think I got much of a reaction of Mrs. Weasley and Fred and George. Wouldn't she go bonkers? Maybe she was just occupied with Harry but I wonder how Mrs. Weasley is taking in all the information that her twins left a gigantic swamp on the fifth(right?) floor (maybe add "west wing" after that) and started a joke shop. . .
The twins were wearing dragon skin (cruelty to mystical creatures! what if it was Norbert? ) and it's not like Mrs. Weasley confiscated it or anything.
Imagine, the whole world resting in the hands of Harry or Voldemort. Ack, no wonder Harry went insane in Dumbledore's office. You think there are such things as magical psychologists?
Moving on, I don't think I got much of a reaction of Mrs. Weasley and Fred and George. Wouldn't she go bonkers? Maybe she was just occupied with Harry but I wonder how Mrs. Weasley is taking in all the information that her twins left a gigantic swamp on the fifth(right?) floor (maybe add "west wing" after that) and started a joke shop. . .
The twins were wearing dragon skin (cruelty to mystical creatures! what if it was Norbert?
) and it's not like Mrs. Weasley confiscated it or anything.
I think Mrs. Weasley got used to the idea of Fred and George having a joke shop after she realized how much money they were making (isn't dragon hide supposed to be really expensive? Or at least if you get good dragon hide, you know sorta like leather?) Of course, when she first found out she may of had to be restrained by Sirius, Lupin and Arthur...
I think that it could take more than Sirius, Lupin and Arthur to hold Mrs Weasley back... Another think is that with the Umbridge detention thing. I'm a bit disgusted that another teacher was inspired by this to use a similar thing on an actual student... (In Japan~but you probably know that~) That bothered me...
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| Another think is that with the Umbridge detention thing. I'm a bit disgusted that another teacher was inspired by this to use a similar thing on an actual student... (In Japan~but you probably know that~) That bothered me... |
What are you talking about kreacher? Umbridge detention brought to life?? Who would do such a thing?? Have I been neglecting news so much that I missed this?? Sorry, off topic! But I've just got to know!!
Yeah zrya the whole write with your own blood thing came to life. ::shivers:: don't know how anyone could stand it (or sit there and watch after they tell them to write with their own blood)
I think its so amazing how many people went through Umbridge's detention and never told anyone. Of course they might be afraid that she'd fix that by making another Decree.....
I think its so amazing how many people went through Umbridge's detention and never told anyone. Of course they might be afraid that she'd fix that by making another Decree.....
Well I mean Harry told McGonagall.
Yeah, writing with your own blood made me sick in the stomach. And that wasn't even real. But someone in Japan? Isn't that child abuse? The Japanese students already have more school days than American kids. . .
Then again, the U.S. has one of the lower education systems. . . compared to other countries.
Yeah, writing with your own blood made me sick in the stomach. And that wasn't even real. But someone in Japan? Isn't that child abuse? The Japanese students already have more school days than American kids. . .
Then again, the U.S. has one of the lower education systems. . . compared to other countries.
| QUOTE (taks @ Oct 19 2004, 07:40 PM) |
| Yeah zyra the whole write with your own blood thing came to life. ::shivers:: don't know how anyone could stand it (or sit there and watch after they tell them to write with their own blood) |
OMG!! Really??
And this is done by a teacher to its student? What on earth has the world got in to? Ermm...taks or kreacher, do you mind sent me the link to this news? I just got to read it myself...shocking, I tell you! And did JKR comment about this, I mean, that teacher got the idea from OotP, did she/he not? 
Anywayyy, sorry to get off topic again...
So...
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Since we're still on the topic...yeah, I felt rather disturbed too with the whole detention thing. I know, to some people it kind of strengthen Harry up, since he learned not to broke down and cry and declaring defeat....but still!! At 15?? I suppose Lupin would be able to share his feeling with Harry then, having bitten and turn into a werewolf at the tender age of 6 (right??) I can definitely see a connection between this turn character...
Now, I felt like hugging these two poor person!! Lupin and Harry!!
i actually liked umbridge...
but what bothered me was the fact that harry kept blowing up on ron and hermione. it wasnt their fault that they couldnt contact him. i know harry had to blow off some anger, but he did it on his friends, the people that supported him the most (is that a fragment)
but what bothered me was the fact that harry kept blowing up on ron and hermione. it wasnt their fault that they couldnt contact him. i know harry had to blow off some anger, but he did it on his friends, the people that supported him the most (is that a fragment)
But who else could he have vented to?
I actually think that it stands testament to the strength of the relationship between the three of them.
I have very close friends in uni, but I really wouldn't want them to see me when I'm in one of my real hissy fits. I'd be so embarrased for a start, wondering what on earth they would be thinking of me. My family and some of my old friends from school....now I'd be perfectly comfortable exploding like Vesuvius all over them because they know me, they understand me, and, quite likely, at some time in the past they've done the same thing to me.
The point is that you have to feel comfortable and secure with another person in order to really bare what's in your soul. It leaves you very vulnerable when you do that usually, at least in my experience, it's with people you trust.
I still think that Harry was justified in everything he said and the decibel level he said it at. (Lordy, what an awful sentence.... Anywho....) A lot of it was probably unvented grief too....not many fifteen year olds have seen someone murdered in front of them.
And, just for the record, I really hate Umbridge. I don't think a character has ever wound me up as much as she did, not even Bellatrix.... Ooh, I want those two to get what's coming to them.....
I actually think that it stands testament to the strength of the relationship between the three of them.
I have very close friends in uni, but I really wouldn't want them to see me when I'm in one of my real hissy fits. I'd be so embarrased for a start, wondering what on earth they would be thinking of me. My family and some of my old friends from school....now I'd be perfectly comfortable exploding like Vesuvius all over them because they know me, they understand me, and, quite likely, at some time in the past they've done the same thing to me.
The point is that you have to feel comfortable and secure with another person in order to really bare what's in your soul. It leaves you very vulnerable when you do that usually, at least in my experience, it's with people you trust.
I still think that Harry was justified in everything he said and the decibel level he said it at. (Lordy, what an awful sentence....
Anywho....) A lot of it was probably unvented grief too....not many fifteen year olds have seen someone murdered in front of them.And, just for the record, I really hate Umbridge. I don't think a character has ever wound me up as much as she did, not even Bellatrix....
Ooh, I want those two to get what's coming to them.....
i know that he had a lot of anger cooped up inside of him. and ofcourse, ron and hermione are his best friends and he should feel secure with him. but he never thought of how ron and hermione felt while he was yelling at them. he didnt even give them a chance to explain.
Well, to give him credit, he did eventually, but he needed to get out what he was feeling first. I don't think anyone is really rational when they're in a state like that and if Ron and Hermione were truly his friends, then they would have understood that.
And if you look at their reactions, it seems to me that they did understand. They didn't shout or rant and rave back at him - they stood there and let him carry on (for the most part anyway). Hermione had tears in her eyes - maybe because she really understood where Harry's emotions were coming from - the true cause of them - and instead of getting angry with him, she actually felt desperately sorry for him. Ron (and I really love the guy, so don't get me wrong here) really does have the emotional depth of a teaspoon and wouldn't understand subtlety if it came right up in front of him and waved a sawn-off shotgun in his face.
Any anyway, Harry did feel bad about it afterwards which is a reflection of the maturity of his character - he can recognise when he's wrong - eventually...
And if you look at their reactions, it seems to me that they did understand. They didn't shout or rant and rave back at him - they stood there and let him carry on (for the most part anyway). Hermione had tears in her eyes - maybe because she really understood where Harry's emotions were coming from - the true cause of them - and instead of getting angry with him, she actually felt desperately sorry for him. Ron (and I really love the guy, so don't get me wrong here) really does have the emotional depth of a teaspoon and wouldn't understand subtlety if it came right up in front of him and waved a sawn-off shotgun in his face.
Any anyway, Harry did feel bad about it afterwards which is a reflection of the maturity of his character - he can recognise when he's wrong - eventually...
Yeah, Harry had a lot of unsaid grief and suffering bubbling underneath the surface. I mean how would you like to go through what he went through and it seems to him that his friends are at Grimmauld Place having the time of their lives and being deliberately unhelpful? As well as putting up with the Dursleys. The thought of what had happened to him would instantly make me in a really bad mood.
Yeah he eventually realised that he was being a bit unfair. But, If that is a direct flow on from his experience in the Graveyard then after the Department of Mysteries event last year.. Will Harry be a little more mature in the way he handles the death or will he be well.... like that about it?
Ron is like that... But you've gotta love him...
Yeah he eventually realised that he was being a bit unfair. But, If that is a direct flow on from his experience in the Graveyard then after the Department of Mysteries event last year.. Will Harry be a little more mature in the way he handles the death or will he be well.... like that about it?
Ron is like that... But you've gotta love him...
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