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yeah, harry was definatelly way too angry. it was disturbing. the hermione thing in coming to fisit harry and ron isnt so bad, i mean they are her best friends.

well the thing that bothers me the most about the book is the fact that harry didnt tell DD what Umbridge was doing to him during detentions...I know Harry said he didnt want to give her the satisfaction of him whining, but come on....Dd would have surely done something about it (firing her or something) and most of the trouble she caused could have been avoided


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I thought that the book was absolutly fabulous! But their were a few thing that got on my nervs like...

1: Harry gets mad to often int he book. I will just have to blame it on his hormones lol

2:They make me (Cho) look like a idiot! She is way to much of a cry baby about so little things.

3: Professor Umbrige made the book a little less exciting by taking Harry's broomstick and they dont seem to have a lot of fun because they are always getting yelled at.

4: The O.W.L.s I knew that it was a important part of the school year but thats all they worried about. It took to much out of the book.

5: And how they made James so mean. It made harry and the family look pathetic.

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I originally mentioned this in a thread about HBP...it was on my mind at that time, and I'm still getting to know my way around.

so..I haven't read ALL the posts here, sorry if I'm repeating.

In CoS Harry is blamed for magic that Dobby cast in a muggle area...obviously MoM can detect magic.
In OotP, Harry casts again to fight off Dementors. naturally he recieves owl saying he is to be expelled and will have to go to a hearing for underage magic in front of a muggle.
When the Order picks Harry up, Tonk uses magic to pack the trunk and bring it downstairs...why were no owls sent saying"YOU ARE NOT TO USE MAGIC!!" well, a Howler really.
A freind suggested maybe the Order cast a spell to stop the detection...wouldn't that be detected as well. I cna't accept that one.
Then she replyed'They're from the ministry"
The ministery was trying to discredit Harry, not help him.
And how did they know that a muggle was present? If they can not detect who the caster is, how did they know who was present as an observer?
Anway, I'm over it...any thoughts on that?

It's odd to read these replies after reading HBP because there weren't the answers we were expecting especially about the mirror, the veil and Kreacher.
What I want to know is why doesn't anybody care that Ron is always talking with his mouth full?? Am I becoming my mother, but that bothered me a lot.
And Umbridge, why is she where she is at the end of HBP after Ootp?
Her detentions almost made me stop reading the book.

Maybe someone here can help me understand what really bothered me in OotP. I do not fully understand Harry’s continued hatred of Snape after Harry looks into the pensieve. Up until that time Harry did not understand why Snape hated him so much. The closest he got was DD telling him in SS/PS that there was an intense rivalry between Harry’s father and Snape. DD says it was much like Harry and Draco’s relationship in the first book. Harry knew that his father saved Snape’s life once and that Sirius was the cause. But none of this is enough in my opinion to justify Snape’s hatred of Harry from day one.

Harry finally gets the answer when he sees Snape’s memory of Sirius and James humiliating him after their O.W.L. exam. I think there would be enough cause for hatred there to translate to Harry. Harry is horrified at his father and Sirius’s behavior. I do not think he truly believed it until Sirius confirmed it to him. I do not think it was a coincidence that in the memory Harry saw, he and his father are the same age. Sirius tried to blow it off as a childhood prank but Harry is old enough to see through that.

Now what bothered me is at this point why Harry did not try to come to reach some sort of common ground with Snape and end the hostilities between the two. Snape’s treatment by Harry’s father is similar to what Harry has endured from the Dursleys. I would think he could relate to it and be able to reach out to Snape at least for the good of the Order of the Phoenix. Harry even continues the hatred into the HBP despite knowing that Snape had a good reason to hate his father and that Snape once again saved his life by alerting the Order to Harry’s need at the MoM. I did not expect them to be close after that but they could have at least buried the hatchet. I know the short answer to this is that JKR has been taking away all Harry’s mentors so that he will have to face LV by himself in the end. Keeping the hatred between Snape and Harry adds to this. But what is the long answer?

About the idea of selecting prefects, maybe prefects are selected based on the traits that they possess regarding their houses. Look at Malfoy, about as Slytherin as you get. And Ron, he's just as brave if not more brave than Harry.

Yup, I agree with you, gaburdette. It also bothered me neither of the two of them could seem to get past that hatred. And after what Harry saw in the Pensieve, it should have been Harry's initiative. He did seem to take a tentative step in that direction when he considered that maybe what Snape had been saying about his father was true... but then nothing more.

Before HBP came out I had some hope that maybe we would see some reconciliation in Book 6, and of course you know how that turned out! Well, I don't write the books, and I suppose that's a good thing. I'd be too predictable.

What bothered me most about the book was that whole hermione setting the house elfs free.

How can she in the first place, she is not there master so she shouldn't be able to set them free at all. I would think the only one to be able to set the hogwarts elfs free would be the headmaster - the teachers in all at best.

The other thing is, they have to be presented with cloth right, but just taking them laying around would be stealing or at best trash (since Hermione puts her elf hats with old parchment), which also is not exactly presenting the elfs with cloth.

I'm not sure if this is the right place for it, but I wasn't sure it this was good enough to start my own thread. And if it's been mentioned before, I'm sorry. But I'm re-listening to OOTP and something Aunt Petunia said stopped me. I can't think of the exact quote and maybe I'm reading too much into it but when she talks about the dementors (sp?) she says something like "I heard that awful boy tell her about it." Now Harry says "If you're talking about my Mum and Dad, why don't you say their names?" But Aunt Petunia took a bit to say "her" as if she had to think on what to call her. Now nothing about James makes me think "awful". Why couldn't she have just said "him" like she said "her" for Lily? Maybe I'm taking it too far but in support of the Lily/Snape theory, I think she was talking about Severus. From what we know about him when he was younger, he was a scrawny, greasy haired boy and into dark magic. That would constitute "awful boy" don't you think? Just the way she said it, I don't think she'd call James "awful boy" when she could easily call him, "him". What do you guys think?

I have to admit I skimmed through the whole thread. The one thing that bothers me the most, and I know many have already posted this, is the fact that Harry forgets the mirror!!! I know that JK said that the point was he tried to get it out of his mind so Sirius wouldn't think that Severus was mistreating him, causing him to come to Hogwarts and possibly get caught.

It's really annoying. If Harry hadn't forgotten the mirror, Sirius would still be here (or there). It bugs me SO much!!

No...Harry tricked Lucius into setting Dobby free. You do indeed have to be the master. it's kind of like firing someone who doesn't work for you, know what I mean? In CoS, they didn't give Dobby the clothes to wash at the risk of him interpreting it as a ticket to freedom. He had to pick it up himself. Poor thing. Hermione has her heart in the right place...but she's wuite stubborn about it. It annoyed me the most in book four. In five, it wasn't much of a bother. Ooh, I just remembered...

Another thing I hate is that Harry, Fred and George are banned from Quidditch. I know there was a point to it and all, but ugh. It made me SO upset when I first read it. I was all like, "Now they'll never win the cup!" It scared me. Does Umbridge count as a bother? Actually, she didn't bother me. I want to beat her with a shovel!! I wonder who they'll get to play her in OotP...

Personally, i liked OotP . . . . but Umbridge really made me mad. Stupid woman . . . making bs about the ministry and making up her own rules lol. kinda funny, kind annoying. Another thing . . . .hmm . . . . is that i wish harry had opened that two way mirror from sirius earlier, because he might have been alive . . . too bad . . . too bad . . . .

About the idea of selecting prefects, maybe prefects are selected based on the braveness that they possess regarding their houses. Look at Malfoy, about as Slytherin as you get. but still harry could have got prefect badge

I think Harry did deserve the badge, but then Ron would be upset again. Remember book four? It isn't fair to Ron. Harry had enough on his mind anyways. Besides, Umbridge would have made some decree about she has to approve the prefects and since she obviously hates Harry she'd be like: "Ooh, you were kicked off the team. Not good." I think Harry deserved it, but I'm glad he didn't get it, in a twisted sort of way. I don't think it has to do with courage at all.

I think it has to do with leadership. I mean, would people go to Harry for help or Neville? It makes sense. Draco and Hermione both have the power of authority. They gave the badge to people who would use it. Wait...it's not making sense anymore. ****... It was funny reading book six. Here, I'll look it up:

page 69-70 UK version

"Professor Umridge ran afoul of our centaur herd," said Dumbledore. "I think you, Horace, would have known better than to stride into the Forest and call a horde of angry centaurs 'filthy half-breeds'."

"That's what she did, did she?" said Slughorn. "Idiotic woman. Never liked her."

I loved that part. Shtoopid Umbridge. I wonder if there are any people out there who actually liked her. *snort* Doubt it.

Many things bothered me about this book, but mostly it was how useless Harry was. I don't think he done a single good thing in the whole story.
He was pushed or pulled into everything and didn't really do anything except mess up.
Teaching DADA was the only place that he seemed to achieve anything, and even then it blew up in his face because he didn't take any real precautions against getting found out. He even left the dangerous list lying around to be found!

Other than that it was how irrational they all seemed, especially Harry. I kept expecting to read a passage about how somebody was feeding them all something to make them act this way (actually wasn't some plant mentioned that done this?)

And finally why was it that Sirrius , who was a top student in his day, failed to find a way to disguise himself and leave headquarters to wonder about freely. Should have been very easy for him. He could even have lent one of moody's invisibility cloaks to get about under.

Nyo!! Harry will always be cool! I just read the whole thread (god was it long) and I have to disagree with the trillions of people who hated Harry's behaviour. Harry at the beginning and end of the book kinda...exploded, but it's understandable. He was going through a rough time, he was being neglected and cut off from his friends, he lost a family member he only knew he had for two years and so much more. He's under a lot of pressure. He also thinks that Sirius died because of his own stupidity.

I myself have exploded at my friends when I'm either under stress, have an anxiety attack or am harbouring a ton of anger. It's not unheard of. I would've been rather surprised if Harry didn't burst under all of that pressure. I mean...think about it. Your two best friends are out there having fun while you're being practically tortured and they won't say a single thing to you except, "Oh we can't say anything." It would be very agitating.

Here'e me list of the stuff that bugged me, edited of course.

The Mirror I totally understand why Harry didn't find the mirror. Sirius had given it to him to tell him if Severus was ever taunting him. Harry's automatic reaction was that Sirius would come out of hiding to Harry's rescue, and possibly be captured. So, Harry wanted to put the package as far away as possible. But it still really bugged me.

Umbridge Ugh...I hate her so much and it made me so mad to find out that she escaped from the centaurs

Cho I think she's the only female in thhe books that I hate more than Umbridge. Frankly, I think she was using Harry, toying with his emotions. She seemed to have gotten over Cedric pretty quickly, considering she was his girlfriend. She was really obnoxious and overly jealous of Hermione. Her crying was unbearable.

I was so mad that she invited Harry on a date just so she cold ask him about Cedric. Okay, maybe Cho was his girlfriend, but Harry had to see him die and had to fight Voldy. I don't think he'd want to talk about Cedric. And when he says he doesn't want to talk about that, she tells him off. Honestly, she's, in my opinion, a fat cow (no offence to people who like her).

I couldn't agree with you more roonil_wazlib, you are so right about Cho;she is senseless. She obviosly did play around with poor harry's emotions and she was just jealous for absolutely nothing!

And the mirror also bugged me because didn't sirus say he would have the miror on him at all times and then harry decides to hide it away? That bugged me soo much because I didn't want sirius to die. The mirror was a major sad spot for me!
Pathetic hey?

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i liked everything in OOTP but i hated it when harry fred and gourge got band from Quiddich for life.

oh and i hated it when the DA was found out cause i like to know how good people are at certain spells...

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I love the 5th book, but I found it quite annoying at times with Harry's attitude throughout the book, but was I the only one who sensed that? I don't know, but I don't think he should have taken things that seriously, really. It was all in his head, he was the one who chose to think those thoughts, and don't think I wouldn't, but taking it out on his friends and everyone whom he loves? That's not giving them enough credit.

One thing that bothered me about Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was when Dudley got attacked by the dementors. And how hes truly disturbed by it. According to us as readers Dudley has always been spoiled by his parents and always feels good knowing that hes treated better than harry so what could he have possibbliy seen when he was attacked. Whats the truth behind his torment and where lie the clues to the answer because i havent found anything. Give me your thoughts on this it will be well appreciated.

Well what I think is that J.K Rowling hasa reason behind al of this. The reason he did not communicate with sirrius through the mirror is bescause he was afraid he would get caught or soemthing like that. Though it was bit stupid of him to go and ask kreacher where sirrius is. Harry is a bit stubborn at times. other than that i tihnk there are small minor reasons to everything.

trelawney said that she is teacher for 16 year in hogwast but she joined in hogwast for be teacher when harry was one years old..harry is 15 old in 5. book..so trelawney must be teacher for 14 year...

I think that you will find that Sybill Trelawney made her prediction before Harry was born, not one year after. The interview could have been as early as November 1979 and she could have started teaching in mid-term although I think it is more likely that she started on September 1 1980.

What bothered me most in the book was that when Harry went to his room to get his invisibility cloak (when he was going into Umbridge's office) he didn't get the mirror! I mean, I wish he thought of it then he'd have known Sirius was home and he wouldn't have gone to save him which, really, made Sirius die.
I'll miss Sirius R.I.P

The thing that bothers me the most about Book 5 is Cho. Just Cho. I can't stand chicks who act like that. It is so ridiculous. I did like Cho in the beginning when we first met her, but geez, she's just obnoxious.

Hermione, I believe, was over at Grimmauld because she was with Ron at the Burrow and she probably came with him. You're saying "Well, duh!" but we never know the reasons why she feels the need to always go over to Ron's house. And I would like to know what they are doing there. Ya know what, that's one thing that bothers me. That I don't know what is going on over there when Harry's not there. And I'm one of those people who has seriously given thought to the Sibling Theory but is not entirely convinced, and I think that Hermione may not be as close to her parents as some think. They might not even be hers. (only if the Sibling theory is true. Which may be a little too Star Warsy.)

I think it is ok for Harry to be angry. I mean you wouldn't be too jolly if you had to go through what he's been through. His parents are dead, Voldemort's after him, Cedric died, people think he's a nutter in this book, nobody supports him except Ron and Hermione, Cho's a problem in herself, and at the end Sirius dies. It isn't a happy life to live. He is also experiencing a side effect of losing a loved one that I learned about in a class I'm taking. One of them is anger, and it hits Harry hard after Sirius dies. Harry was so happy he finally had a family member and that got taken from him too. Even though you may not understand it, you can't hate Harry, because what he's going through is tough. Personally, it made me upset to see him act like that, and I just think Harry needs a hug.

Umm, xxcosmogirlxx06a, wouldn't you be a little disturbed if you were attacked by dementors? Dudley may get treated well by his parents, but as we see later, he is actually a bad boy and there may be some things he's really not happy about. Sometimes the people who seem the happiest on the outside can have a troubled inside you never see.

Another thing that bothered me about Book 5 was Umbridge. Its not like I don't understand her or anything, she just bothered me. Snape seems like a saint compared to her. If there is one person I loathe, it would that heap of a woman. Or whatever she is.

Also that book was crazy long. I spent 16 hours of one day reading it and got only halfway through. Of course, I'm not a speed-reader either...

There's something I'll never understand about the book, for the entire book the order tries to keep Voldemort from hearing the rest of the prophecy, but why?
I mean the other part only says that neither can live while the other survives, and that the chosen one has powers Voldemort doesn't have, if he would'v heard that before he attacked the Potters then maybe he'd think twice before doing that, but now, after he allready did that it's abit obviouse what the rest of the prophecy is saying and it really won't help Voldemort atall, so why was it so important for Dumbeldore to keep the Prophecy safe?

They kept saying it was some kind of weapon. Maybe Voldemort would have been able to use it in some way to harm Harry or figure out how to kill him or something... That is a good point though. There's nothing really important in the prophecy that is need to know stuff is there?

yer, realbullet, i agree with what you said about Harrys tmper. And Cho was totaly depressed and moddy al the way through the book! Whats happening!?

The only thing that really bugged me in OotP was Harry and Cho's attitudes. Harry just whined all the time and it got really old. And Cho.... did she ever stop crying? I mean yes it sucks having your boyfriend murdered by some evil dude, but seriously. I hate girls. Too much drama. We're stupid.

I'm confused about the magic surrounding Hogwarts. I just finished OotP again, and I noticed how Dd could use floo powder to get back into his office after the incident at the MoM. I also got confused about the port key he made for Harry to travel back into his office. Would this not be possible for others (i.e. - death eaters,voldemort,etc.) to do? and why not, if not...? And how did the group fly out of the grounds on the thestrals...I thought the Hogwarts grounds to be protected from flying in and out also?? Another thing...I'm not exactly sure which book it was in...PoA maybe, but I remember Dobby apparating and disapparating from Harry's hospital bed within Hogwarts(when he smacked himself with skele-gro). How was that possible?
Maybe someone can help me with these questions...they've been bugging me for awhile now.

Well it seems comfortable to say that perhaps the only one who could be an exception to this sort of rule is the one who set the rule itself, and since we know that DD was the one who was making these security measures even stronger than they've ever been before, I think he is somehow 'allowed to' break them

The question considering Dobby has already been answered somewhere, I reckon at JK's official site. It said that the apparition of houseelves is rather different, and that they are able to do that even in Hogwarts I suppose this too is sort of 'comfortable' answer, but at least this is official

Hi there, please excuse my bad english because german is my mother tongue. I read the book a few days ago and was competely stuck to it.
In the whole book Harry shows often an emotional (nearly out if control) and not the most intelligent way to get through his problems...but when he follows Bellatrix to take revenge for Sirius being murdered by her i would have wanted Harry to be more reckless...and use the killing spell because she would have killed him as well...maybe in an act of self defending...

The Death Eaters came away with a few injuries and being arrested while the good side faces many losses like Harry`s parents, the Longbottoms and finally Sirius Black.
When i got it right, Harry has to use the killing spell anyway to survive so why don`t start a bit earlier (sorry, i am not completely serious on that)...

Greez
Harry

I suppose the main thing that bothered me in this book was the whole premise of the book: Don't get me wrong, I loved the book, well written and all that, but the plot was kind of one of the weaker ones. As someone, sorry can't remember who, on the last page said: They didn't want Voldemort to hear the whole prophecy, but it seems that it's kind of pointless whether he hears it or not. I think he just wanted to see if he missed something, but there's nothing in the prophecy that he can change upon hearing it. Harry's already been born. Harry already has powers the dark lord has not. Harry has already been marked by him as his equal. I don't know. Just seems like a lot of trouble for something that seems a little insignificant. I mean, maybe he wanted to see if he actually COULD kill Harry. I just don't know. Then Dumbledore makes the comment later that he shouldn't put too much store in prophecies. Gah.

So, I'm glad that the ministry finally recognizes that Voldemort is back, and Dumbledore has figured out more in regards to Harry and Voldemort's relationship. Now, as I type this, I feel so torn about this. I mean, I understand why she needed this plot device. I guess I was just thinking that there should have been more to the prophecy to necessitate such drastic measures to ensure it didn't fall into the wrong hands.

As I was reading through this thread, I see several people mentioned the mirror and that it bothered him that Harry didn't use the mirror. I might be mistaken, but I thought that Harry didn't know he had the mirror at that point. He hadn't opened it until after his return from the MoM . . .

I think Harry did have the mirror and knew about it. Sirius explained to Harry how it worked. I had a lot of problems with Harry in this book and this was one of them.

In pages past I mentioned the thing that bothered me the most was the Snape/Harry relationship. That still has not changed but the prophecy theme did bother me as well.

We find out in the end what the prophecy is. Up until then we could understand why Dumbledore was going to such lengths to stop Voldemort from hearing it. But after hearing the prophecy that went out the window. There was nothing in there telling Harry or Voldemort how to kill each other. There was info that would have been helpful to Voldemort before he attacked Harry as a child and the fact that the final battle would be between Harry and Voldemort. What good was the past info now? Any child wizard could have told Voldemort that he was facing a final battle with Harry.

So what was the whole point on going to such lengths to safeguard the prophecy? Maybe someone here can enlighten me.

In chapter 24 "occlumency"

I agree, i kind of forgot about the mirror until Sirius died. I cried when I read that. It made me really mad that Harry forgot about the mirror too. I realized that Sirius could still be alive, maybe, and everything would go as planned (i.e. Harry living with him).

She really likes getting to us I think. At the end of the book when we have all the information, most of the time we're kicking ourselves when someone dies or something happens that could have been prevented. In book 5, there was a lot of that going on, and trust me a lot of kicking when I realized there was someway it could have been stopped.

True. This is one of the reasons why I think that HP is not exactly a book meant for children, or rather that it is not only meant for children. Getting slightly philosophical, I would say that life is full of such almost-happenings... as it is said, life is not easy. JKR shows us brilliantly that even tales are sometimes pretty far from being a pink cloud.

Although a lot of people would disagree, I think there is a small moral in the series. It shows, especially in the latest books, that if you want to do something, it's sometimes best to act fast. But then again you need to think about the possibilities, like what could have happened with the mirror, or if Sirius was cleared and so on.

What annoys me in OotP? Well, I absolutley adore the book as a whole but Umbridge is the biggest cow I have ever heard of!! I can't stand her fakeness and oooooooh if I was at Hogwarts I think I would paying Peeves to go and do something to her! I think that she would be perfect as Pansy Parkinson's mother! lol!

xox Stephanie

I have a question, i didnt have time to look through all the responses so im sorry if you guys already addressed this, but what does Dumbledore see when her looks into the mirror of erised? I know he says socks but thats lame and at that point he was keeping alot from harry.......... I hope she tells us in book 7, but until then what do you guys think? and you guys talked about the mirror in ootp too thats the second significant, well to me, mirror in the series is it important symbolism?