^^alright you guys, i understand what you two are trying to say. it wont help though, lol, whenever i read that part i feel soo angry!!

Oh, so do I, don't get me wrong! But I'm angry with him, not because of his behaviour, you know?......

i understand, he was really angry and had noone to take it out on. but it just bothers me nothin i can do about it

something that bothered me was the way siruis died it was werid........

Yeah i was stunned when Harry chucked a fit at Ron & Hermione and once he got his first raging out of the way, it continued throughout the book. I did find it quite annoying as i didn't think Ron or Hermione were really to blame. But having said that, i completely understand Harry's volcanic anger.

Dana's right, once you're able to really vent your anger in front of your closest mates.. well that's testimony of the strength of your friendship; to be yourself, honest and unguarded.

I was a bit annoyed at Harry & Hermione's reaction to hearing that Ron was chosen as a prefect. Poor Ron, to know that your friends would never think that you could be chosen. We're just seeing the beginning of Ron's path to proving himself (worthy).

I'd have liked to have seen more dialogue between Harry and Lupin & Sirius. But that's just me getting excited about any interaction they have!

I admit, i kept thinking "If only he opened Sirius' present and used the mirror" things might have been so different. But what's done is done.

Ooohh whenever Umbridge came into the scene i wanted to scratch at her name as if i were tearing out her eyeballs.

Dumbledore's explanation to Harry at the end was very touching. He admitted his mistakes & finally said all that he'd been wanting to say through the year.

Apart from that i really liked all of OoTP.

The thing that bothered me the most: Umbridge. Words can't describe how I felt when she tried to use an unforgivable curse on Harry. She makes me so mad. Harry's temper did not anger me, for I would have done the same in his place. I was also moved by Dumbledore's speech and now he and Harry are even closer. It reiterates Harry's idea in the PoA that Dumbledore is not capable of everything, but him being only human makes him closer to Harry. Back on topic, the centaurs and their hatred to Firenze made me angry as well. If they can see the war coming, don't they realize they will be affected as well? Which means they must help Dumbledore... Every time I try to think of something else Umbridge pops in my head.... my hands are shaking right now in anger just thinking about her, I better end now.

Yeah, Umbridge was horrible. I really liked the way McGonagall dealt with her.

there are a lot of things that bother me about oop
for instance, whats with harrys mood? i mean we know hes a teen and evrything, but hes just too temperamental sometimes. plus, if hes so inteligent as he is known, why cant he see that everything that the order do is for his own good?
or would he rather be left unprotected so that he can fight the forces of evil on his own?

another thing that bothers me is harrys punishment for sayin that voldemorts back. arent there any laws that forbid it?
i mean thats not a punishment, thats torture!

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The only things that bothered me were Harry's relationship with Cho and his raging emotions. I saw full pages in total CAPS_LOCK. I almost got a headache just from reading it.

Cho came off as quite obnoxious to me, and rather immature. I liked her before...

But she really IS immature...

The whole Cho relationship was a little bit strange, all the crying got a bit annoying after the second time! I didnt think the way Sirius died was very effective. It was all a little too simple for him to fall through the veil, it wasnt really explained what the veil was either.

Mad-Maggie, i agree about the passages from Harry all in Caps Lock. It felt draining and frustrating to read it all. I wanted to jump into the scene and calm him down and give him a hug, hand him a bottle of butterbeer, or two!...

*sigh* but i completely understand Harry's point of view so it's okay.

And i wanted to wring Cho's neck!

I hated Umbridge's prejudice against 'half-breeds'. Poor Lupin. Hehe, it seems that whenever i talk about him and from the many other posts i've read concerning him, it's always "poor Lupin" this and that. He's had it so tough, being constantly unemployed and forever in shabby robes.

Sirius' death through the Veil caught me completely out of the blue. I had to blink and read the part over again a couple of times before everything sunk in. And then i just thought, "this is injustice! JK you can't seriously be writing this!?" I was numb for a while.

I always wonder, what happened to harry's broomstick? did he ever get it back? maybe i just missed that part, lol, but i just think JK forgot about that.

I think Harry's bad temeper gets annoying, i mean, i thought he would be more cheered up near the end, but he is sad and angry at everything all the time. I just think JK overdid the whole teenage-thing a little, i dont think she did a good job with it, cause she kinda makes people think that Harry is just going through hard times so that's why he is so angry all the time, but by overdoing the whole bad-temper thing she is just making it look like Harry's personality is really like that all the time, which shouldn't be because then he isn't the sweet kid anymore, but a rude and hot-tempered teenager whose life is a total drama.

you musn't forget that Sirius died, and Harry watched it. Sirius was very close to Harry, like Dumbledore said, Sirius was now i the middle of something like a father and a brother to Harry. So loosing him hurted Harry of coures, deeply and that's not a thing you just forget so fast is it?

this is one thing that bothers me in ootp:

harry was always angry!
he always shout!
and always loses his temper!
he also become overacting!

but the book was indeed brilliant!
i really love a lot of revelations stated there!

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I'm just asking; why does all these things bother you lot? I mean, how would ou feel of someone didn't believe that you saw the most evil wizard of all time come back after nearly 14 years, and not enough with that, they make fun of you because you tell the truth, and then they sett you in detention, and keep say that you're a lier. Of coures it's easy to lose your temper and starts shouting. I know I had felt pretty the same way as Harry felt in OoTP.

There were a few things that bothered me in the OotP:
Harry was always mad, he started to really get on my nerves
I didn't really understand the DoM chapter, I read it over and over again, but I didn't get it at all.
Professor Umbridge... pretty self explanatory
And spoken as a true shipper, the fact that Ron and Hermione didn't get together But that's more of a minor thing

Why is it so easy to get into DoM? Voldemort and Death Eaters can stroll there. A bunch of high school students can do a field trip without supervision. Where are the aurors? Where are the charms and protections? Unbelievable!

All people can't just walk into the Ministry. You see, Harry knew the number to get into at the guest entery at the Minisrty because he went there with Mr. Weasley, several of the Death-Eater work in the Ministry, so they know of coures how to get in there too. Not everybody know how to enter the Ministry of Magic. No one of the DA knew how to get in there, only Harry because he had been there before, also the Aurors have their instuments which tells them if someone's broken in, how do you explain why half of the Ministry showed up there in the middle of the night?
Why it took them so long I'm not sure, but it might have been because they were sleeping.

Oh, there were soooo many things that bothered me in the fifth book! I actually said I wouldn't read the book if Sirius died - and after I found out it was really him who died it took me quite a while to buy OotP. Actually I only started liking the book after I read it the third time...

Just like loads of other people already wrote, Harrys behaviour annoyes me. Yes, I can see he is frustrated. Yes, I can see it is hard to deal with death. Yes, I fully understand hat it is hard if friends treat you like that. But still this is not an apology...

Cho - goodness, what is it with her? I never figured out what she really wanted. Did she have a crush on Harry? Did she only need someone to talk? And why in the world did Harry react like this? I actually thought he might just stick with his broom for a while - until he is grown-up enough to deal with other persons feelings...

Sirius' death - it was soooo unsatisfying! I hardly believed he was dead. Okay - I am perfectly aware that this only reflects Harrys feelings. It came unexpected and also there was no proof Sirius was really gone. I mean - where did his body go? Hello, Gandalph?

the mirror - I admit I also forgot about it till Harry found it at the bottom of his trunk. But wouldn't it be just have been totally Harry at least to find out WHAT the present was? Wouldn't he have opened the present at any rate?

Umbridge - there's loads to write about her. But you know what the worst is? I have a neighbour named "Umbride" and everytime I step out my door I have to read that sign and it really drives me mad to be reminded of her each and every day...

I really liked Dumbledores speach, though. It made me cry... *sniff*
And I just love Loony Lovegood ("Love_good" reminds me of "Felicity Shaggwell"... erm... foreshadowing???).
And I just can't get "Snapes worst memory" out of my head - I know there are several threads - I just can't find them anymore. Got to get used to this forum first - it is like a maze, somehow. :-)

see ya, Flutterflie

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...and follow the yellow sick toad.

heres my list:

1) The mirror thing, why not do that instead of sticking your head in a fireplace

2)Why is MOM, the most inportant thing in the world, so easy to get into, any old muggle could guess the code and be terrified as the phonebox sinks into the ground

3)The penseivce, why did snape just leave it for hary to find...actually that gives me a little idea you know...

There are tonnes more things, but i have just had an excellent flash of inspiration

things that bother my in OotP :

*the death of Sirius: i hope that Jo will explain all the circumstances of it in the next book, i think that it happened so fast that we didnt have the time to understand it. i hope there will be funeral at least

* Cho. OMG, i hate her. i cant understand how could Harry ever have feelings toward her, she is soooooo annoying. always moaning and stuff.

*Umbridge. She is the only character in the books i have ever loathed. She is so crule with Harry and the whole attitude of her during the classes, that she didnt want the students to do real dada classes. i know that was because of Fudge, but though....


Ps: am i the only one who didnt find Harry's behaviour annoying? i can understand him, and i dont think he is acting or something

For #2 I don't think that Harry is too angry because his parents have died, he has the most dangerous wizard in the world trying to kill him, the dementors bring back his worst memories, he has seen someone die, nobody belives him about Voldermort coming back exept for Dumbledore and Harry's friends, and his only hope for not living at the Dursley's is gone because Sirius has died.


For #5 Not everybody could produce a patrounus, only a very few could. And for those few that could they had to work very hard to produce one and it took dozens of tries.

I hope I helped you,Tiffany

I don't even know how I'm going to say what I need to say - so please forgive me if I go into some sort of random rant about Star Wars, because I probably will. <3

I have a few issues with OotP. Not that Harry is angry - but that is he rather hostile toward his friends - the only people that seem to understand him, and want to help him.

My second issue - and the most important one.. is Why the heck is the ministry so Spineless? I mean seriously, it's all about power. Dumbledore is Yoda - and Fudge is a Sith-lord-could-be-if-he-had-any-skills-what-so-ever. It's Power wanting more power - and turning all the normal people against the only people that are really in it to acutally help them. The people aren't believing Dumbledore for the most part - because they're afriad of what he's got to say. And although the people who are "important" - have the knowlage and strength to save these normal people - don't want to admit they were wrong the first time. The ministry had no back bone, and did not want to admit they were wrong - they wanted more support and more followers to beleive what they had to say - so they sent out a cronie who would do exactally what Fudge wanted her to do. Umbridge. She took over the school, where the one person who could possibly help organize and lead the resistance (because lord knows fudge wont be out there on the front lines in a war - he'll be sitting in his little office thinking of what to tell the papers next that will make him look good, insted of busting his hump out there fighting for the people who counted on him.) and tried to put him out like a cigarette. Dumbledore knew he could've done some Jedi tricks, used the force and became the ruler of it all - but he decided better of it - he'd rather people be on his side, then be on his side - due to the fact that they were afraid. I don't know what i'm getting at anymore so I'll stop soon - I think the Ministry members needed to havfe a say in what Fudge was doing at Hogwarts, and with the Prophit and with everything else he was leaning on so he didn't get served. Yeah, okay, if that doesn't make sense.. I'll try to explain myself better. ^^; <3

I only had one thing that botherd me and that was why did Harry kiss Cho I mean she only was hanging with Harry because he was there when Cedric died So I jsut don't think Cho actaully loved Harry

nothing "bothered" me at all...All the characters and things that the characters did were done for a reason: basically to make the story work

well, something bothers me... there was a part in the ootp when harry and the others were in the ministry, particularly the death room, and when they were near the veil, harry hears people talking behind it and thinks it's Sirius he is hearing... we all know that Sirius dies... and then he also thought he heard Ron talking from the veil...does this mean Ron will eventually die in the series? makes me think

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Ps. Percy Weasley is a Git

What bothers me is that Percy Weasley doesn't seem to be bothering anyone (except his family). Everyone thinks he's a bit pompous and a bit of a git but I feel that we are all underestimating him. He is very intelligent, very ambitious and most importantly he's always been poor. How tempting for him then, to join Voldy and the Death Eaters.
Since bok 5 I've been seeing things on a parallel with the second world war where Voldy and his crew are the Nazis and the Order are the resistance.
For a young, intelligent, ambitious lad from a poor family during the war in Germany, joining the Nazi party was a sure fire way to make yourself powerful and respected and it's well documented that loads of young lads like Percy sold out their families and friends to gain favour with their new masters.
I think Percy has gone the same route and we have to start taking him seriously, or write him off as just another silly git at our peril.
Another thing
Re:- Harry's Mood in book 5.
As a nurse working in Psychiatry - I think he may be depressed and no wonder. Teens do get depressed - more than most people realise.

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i completely agree with Suzi.
-It bothered me a lot that Harry was always a little mean to his friends. They just try to help, but sometimes he seems to be too wrapped up in his own thoughts and problems, not realizing that they worry about him a lot.
-Yes, the Ministry just seems to be wearing blinders to everything. Dumbledore, Harry (through his trial), and many others have been trying to tell them that Voldemort has come back but they obviously just don't want to accept it which makes me so angry.
-Also, a lot of loose ends were not tied at the end of this book, but of course that's what leaves you wishing for the next book!

i have a lot to day!!

1. harry was alaways so mad and angry.

2. half the time people were fighting

3. sirius died

4. the dada teacher(i want to kill her)


and thats it, i think it has a lot of cool things

It really bothered me that Harry was irritated by basically everything... I also didn't like the fact that because of his stupidity Sirius died. I'm talking about him not using the mirror that Sirius gave him. And Professor Umbridge got on my nerves really bad! And Percy Weasley was being a stupid git! And last, but ot least--that annoying little crybaby aka Cho Chang! She wouldn't ever shut up, she put Harry in an uncomfortable situation, and she kissed him!! I wish it was her who died in the 5th book instead of Sirius!
Whoa, sorry, I was having an issue controlling my thoughts..

I'm really interested at the comments people have made in reguards to Harry's attitude in TOoP. I find it facinating that we all read the same book, yet have had such different reactions to Harry's outbursts.

I found myself swept along with Harry's emotions as indeed he was. I can identify with his anger all the way when he is struggling to get explinations on why his is kept in the dark all the time. Who among us likes being fobbed off when we're told that it's 'for your own good'? As some have pointed out, Harry must have been overwhelmed and in denial when he saw Sirius fall through the veil.

I think when Harry was in Dumbledores office after the whole MoM thing, he was feeling absolutely wretched. He would have felt to blame, he would have blamed those who had not warned him that he could be maipulated, and I think he was afraid. He is in a dark and desperate situation he cannot escape from.

My heart completely went out to Harry, and I shed a few tears as I read the scene

The only thing that bothered me was Cho. I really couldn't take to her, I agree with people who have commented that she was annoying. But then again, that may have been JK's intention? Dont really get the impotance of her character either...

As far as Percy goes I think he is just so full of self importance, and rather misguided, but I dont think he will go evil on us... atleast I hope not.

I believe that you all have excellent points especially about harry having the mirror in which he could talk to serious when he wanted to im mean how can he go allll the way through the year and not think about it once and instead put his friends and himself in serious danger.
although there are some things in the book they may seem unneeded or preposterous but there are good things in the book as well. I enjoyed reading of fred and george's havok including the skiving snackboves (umbridge-itis) and their wonderful display of fireworks. I am 13 yrs old and read to my 6 yr old sister who also thoroughly enjoys them and cant wait for the next book as well as the movies as that is how she first got into those books.
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There's something that really bothered me in OoTP:

Why did the Order tried so hard to prevent LV from hearing the prophecy? All it'll tell him is that he made a mistake trying to kill Harry.
If LV would'v hear the prophecy in it's whole before he attacked Harry, that would'v been bad, but since he allready attacked Harry all the prophecy could tell him is that he or Harry will have to kill each other one day,
why was it so important for DD that Voldy will never know the prophecy?
Voldy may have thought that the prophecy will tell him how to kill Harry, but it wouldn't.


*I'm sorry if someone allready wrote this but there are just too many pages in this thread so I can't check them all.

I remember right after I first read OotP. I was SO mad at Harry. I am a mom of three -- one of them is a teenager (soon it'll be two), so I know how they act. And I remember what those years are like. Still, as a mom, I was mad that Harry couldn't see that people cared about him and that sometimes adults are allowed to do things without explaining everything to a kid! I SO agreed with Phineas Nigellus (Sirius' great-great-grandfather) when he gave it to Harry about being a self-centered teenaged prat!

However, I have re-read the book (and listened to it on tape) several times since that first read through.

Harry grew up in a household filled with hate -- all of which was directed at him. He did not have any secure, loving relationships. He's entitled to feel a bit put out when, after all he's been through and has been expected to shoulder, all of a sudden he's left in the dark.

With regard to Cho. Well, she was paying some attention to Harry before she went out with Cedric. Cedric was just quicker on the draw than Harry. At least that's what we've been led to believe. I don't think we can truly criticize Cho's behavior until we've loved someone who has died. She too, I think, is entitled to a bit of emotional upheaval. Also, Harry bungled things a bit for his part so let's cut Cho some slack. It was a learning experience for them both.

Honestly, as a tragic hero, let's face it, Harry will be lucky to get through this whole business alive and I'm thinking it might be best for him to stay single until Lord "Thingy" is dead and gone (and I sure hope Harry cuts off his head when he kills him -- that's the only way to make sure the monster is really dead!)

Just my 2, well, maybe 10, cents.

You have a good point Locutia, Cho had lost someone close to her, and it is difficult for me (and I only speak for myself) to identify with that because (touch-wood) I have not experienced that sort of loss.

Maybe I was more put out by the awkwardness of Harry in dealing with her? Hmmm, I dont really know. I found I became less sympathic to Cho each time I read the book. Maybe because we never got to know anything else about her as we saw her only as Harry saw her.

Still, I am glad to hear she is not featured in future books!

The only other thing I can say that I was disapopinted about in OoTP was the length of the book... I think it could have been 1400 pages, not 700

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What bothered me the most was the fact that Sirius died!!!! That HAD to be the saddest thing I ever read. It left me crying for days and I cry EVERY time I read it. He better come back! To me, it was a TOTAL shock and I never saw it coming (call me blonde :P ). Other than that, I loved it and I bet the 6th one will be just as good.

Ok. This Really bothered me in the ootp. harry could have easily prevented sirius death by using a summoning charm. like in book 4 at the yule ball harry swore he saw one of the beaxbatons summon one of his friends with a summoning charm. he could've just done the same summon sirius when he was falling!

in response to realbullet's problems 6 & 8,

in OotP, hermione had tacked the list on the wall for some reason.

harry doesnt live in the wizarding world, so any child abuse laws wouldn't qualify with the dursleys

I dont know what it was about the book but I didn't like some of it. During many times it made me angry because no one was doing anything about umbridge. I just hate her so much when i read the books and it makes me not like the book. It's kind of strange. I wish the centaurs would have slowly and painfully killed her.

I think the whole Umbridge thing was good.. because if it wasn't for that book wouldn't have been all that good.. I mean.. the scar hurting wouldn't be enough to carry the book. Plus without Umbridge, Dumbledore's Army wouldn't have existed plus we wouldn't have gotten Hermione's Oscar-Winning Performance where she lured her out into Grawp's territory...

Things that bothered me:
- Harry Seemed like more of a child because he wanted the attention all the time.
- Sirius' Death was quick, which sucked. But Maybe It'll be for something in HBP.
- Ron didn't get the best broom out there, just a Cleansweep but I think he should have gotten a firebolt or at least a Nimbus 2001.
- Cho and Harry kept bickering at each other, and no spark between Ron and Hermione Yet.
- Didn't get to see much of Tonks either..

I just re-read Ootp. In the book, During the easter holidays.. When Ginny gave Harry a chocolate easter egg from Mrs. Weasley, does anybody know why Harry felt a lump in his throat? I was so mystified when I re-read it and found out it was left unexplained all through the rest of Ootp.

Excerpt:

"It's Easter Eggs from Mum," said Ginny. "There's one for you.... There you go...."
She handed him a handsome chocolate egg decorated with small, iced Snitches and, according to the packaging, containing a bag of Fizzing Whizbees. Harry looked at it for a moment, then to his horror, felt a hard lump rise in his throat.
"Are you ok, Harry?" asked Ginny quietly.
"Yeah, I'm fine," said Harry gruffly. The lump in his throat was painful. He did not understand why an Easter egg should have made him feel like this.

-Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 29 (Career Advice) pgs.654-655

The lump in Harry's throat has been discussed quite a bit here, just to save this one from drifting *too* far...

1-The first thing that bother me in this book was that Harry didn`t use the mirror when he really need it, although Rowling said that she had the explanaition about it.

2-The frightful kiss between Harry and Cho, but i like one thing, he oppened his eyes and saw the reallye Cho chang, but the kiss isn`t it
necessary.

3-Harry was to angry in all the book, was unbearable.

I'm copying my post to the "Umbridge's Punishment" topic since it also seemed relevant here and I was really hoping someone had an answer (apologies if this is against forum rules - I couldn't see anything on the rules page that said it was).

there are somethings in Ootp that bothered me...like how everyone waws turning against harry...even people who knew him for his entire school "life" were thinking that he just wanted more attention...
i hope that all these things come to a conclusion in the next books...maybe there's a reason for it

about the patronus spell i think that its easier for the DA becuase
1. they are older than harry when he learned it...
2. they arent practicing it on a real dementor/boggart
3. its easy to think of something happy when you're in a room full of those silvery white things and your friends
i think the patronus is a hard spell becuase you have to have control over your thoughts and self in a time of great fear

One thing that bothered me was the veil in the ministry of magic. What is it? who were the people behind it? and what was the deal with Sirius and the veil at the end. The whole thing kind of made no sense to me and I was left confused.

Can anyone help me out and explain what it was?

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