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Voldiemorts obsessed with purebloods right ?(Moderator Edited) So isn't it possible that he enchanted a place where a horcrux is hidden so that only purebloods and himself can get through? Obviosly there'd be other enchantments but ramble ramble ramble.

And if this was the case, out of the golden trio only Ron would be able to pass through to face whatever other challenges may be there.

Do you think Ron might play such an important part in gaining a horcrux?

its possible, but im sure he wouldnt have done that. I mean yea, that does seem like something he would do... but not all purebloods are bad. Its not like all the purebloods side with voldemort and even if that were true im sure he would still not tell them his secret so whats the point in that?

Actually it would make more sense for him to enforce protections such that only a Parselmouth like him could get through. this would ensure than no one, no even his Death Eates would have access to the place. Isn't that what Salazar Slytherin did with the chamber of secrets so that only his rightful heir could open the entrance?

I think he would't do that...
Let's see:

Dumbledore, when he and Harry were at the cave, said to Harry that the Inferi haven't attacked them because they thought that it was Voldemort there. Well, by that I can guess that he might wanted to visit all his Horcruxes, and if he had put any of that protection, he himself couldn't touch the Horcrux...after all he isn't a pure blood..!!

What do you think?

mmm i didn't mean it would be the only protection just one of them.. And with regarding the cave, i don't think the protecting of all of the Horcruxs would be the same... After all this is part of his soul where talking about...

Edit: Incase you got the wrong idea, wasn't trying to be rude.

well that is a good idea but then voldemort himself is a half-blood so he wouldnt be able to get to his own horcrux. You do have a point though i just remembered that when Harry and Dumbledore entered that cave and had to sacrifice blood, Dumbeldore chose to do it and refused to let Harry do it possibly because Harry is a half blood and I'm assuming Dumbeldore is a pure blood. i think that the enchantments protecting the horcrux - like the inferi - are activated when someone else other than voldemort touches it. In half-blood prince, the inferi attacked when Dumbledore took hold of the locket

Good thought...I was just wondering if LV would have enabled any of his follower's to get a Horcrux if perhaps it was in trouble at somepoint and he was in some way incapable of protecting it himself? Then agian, it needs to be said that not all horcruxes are protected like the locket, like his diary. While it did fall in the hands of Ginny (prueblood), who had no problem with it, Harry was okay with it too. Now that could be because Harry has some of LV in him, and it recognized him so to speak, but I am doubful.

But while leaving the cave it was Harry who gave his blood to have the door open. If the door only acceptd purebloods, then they would have never gotten it to open with Harrys blood. Invoking Parseltongue responsive protections on his Horcruxes would make more sense, after all didn't Dumbledore tell Harry that Tom himself gave Harry the tools for his destruction and the ability to speak Parseltongue being one of them

First off, was Dumbledore a pureblood? I do not think it says he is in any of the books, but this is a nice topic. Just something to think about: just about all of the great witches and wizards mentioned in this book are not pure-blood. Tom Riddle was half-blood. Hermione Granger was half-blood. Severus Snape was half-blood. All of those wizards and witches had exceptional magical abilities, but they were half blood. I think that it takes much more then blood to get through to the horcruxes. It takes power, which very few pure- bloods have. However, I'm rambling into other topics now, so I'll stop.

Actually Hermioen is a muggleborn. Both her parents are non-magical, as was Harry's mom Lily Evans Potter, who was born to non-magical parents. They are termed muggleborn or more derogatively by purebloods such as Malfoys, mudblood. Harry IS A Half Blood and so is Tom Riddle, the two of the three excpetional wizards in the series. The third being Dumbledore. The rest are only a support cast

You bring up a very valid point.

But no one knows Voldemort is a half-blood? So everyone would come to the conclusion that the enchanments set around the others hcrx's allow only purebloods. But what no one would suspect, would be only letting half-bloods in. And he'd rather have no one get to them, and use something hard, then something "obvious"

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That's a very valid point as well. An interesting diversionary tactic. Going by that, RAB would most likely have to be a half-blood. Dumbledore was able to overcome Tom's enchantments and there's no information on his blood-line. But then he was the greatest wizard in the world and would have been able to bypass Tom's enchantments. But, Tom is nothing but untrusting and it would make more sense for him to ensure that only a Parselmouth would be able to get to his "treasure". But his arrogance may have led him to make that oversight. Interesting stuff there.

Ok Sorry if this is tooo Short Mod;s but i have to get my point across clean

Voldemort is a Half Blood, It ruins your whole plan eh

LV could not set up a protection based on pure blood because he is not one, That protection alone would stop him from getting a horocrux on his own. As for Parsalmouth, that might be a better form of protection. TR in Cos thought that only he and Harry have the ability, however in HBP, DD did not need Harry to interpert the memory of TR's uncle, did DD also have that ability. If so that makes 3, there are a lot more pure bloods than those with the ability. In addition, no one was able to open the locket at the black house, puer blood or otherwise. Now on the whole blood line, if a witch and wizard have a child would that not make the child a pureblood even if the witch or wizard was muggle born to begin with. Snape and Tom had a muggle father pure blood mom, Hermionee had muggle parents, Harry had a pureblood father and a muggle born mother with magical abilities, would Harry be more of a pure blood than Snape or Tom?

I think the assumption being made here is that the enchantment would allow both pure bloods and himself (a special exception for himself). I do like the idea, actually. It would be the kind of thing Voldemort would do, and would let Ron get a bit of glory. But can a spell be made to have such an exception? No other enchantment on anything comes to mind that has such an exception. But perhaps I am missing something obvious? Surely there is such a thing, but I can't think of one at the moment...

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Maybe the exception would just be someone who can speak parseltounge. Voldemort could make it so only pure-bloods and those who can speak parseltounge to get to a horcrux. That's the only exception I can think of.

Well that's an open question. Did Dumbledore know Parseltongue or not is something we can only guess. We do not know how exactly he interpreted his memories where extensive Parseltongue was used. But then Dumbledore was an exceptional wizard and it is possible that he found a way to interpret parseltongue through some complex magic. But could he speak "natural" Parseltongue is an open question. I also recall Rita Skeeter's article in GoF where she exposes the fact about Harry being a Parselmouth. She also mentions that the only other known Parselmouth was Tom himself. This could be due to two reasons. Either there are wizards out there who are Parselmouths but do not reveal it for the fear of being labelled dark. Or maybe Tom hunted them down, to ensure that he was the only Parselmouth alive.



Actually for purebloods, only a person whose parennst are pureblooded witch or wizards are labelled as purebloods. Harry's mother was a muggle-born witch to whom the purebloods derogative;y refer to as "mudblood". For them a muggle born witch or a wizard is same as a muggle. Thus, in their opinion all those magical children whose both parents are not purebloods, are considered to have only "half-blood". Thus' Harry is as half blood as any other. In fact even Dumbledore referred to him as such, when he infomed him of the prophecy. If we recall his exact statement in OotP

" 'He chose the boy he thought most likely to be a danger to him,' said Dumbledore. 'And notice this, Harry: he chose, not the pure-blood (which, according to his creed, is the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing) but the half-blood, like himself."

So after all thi digression, I believe if Tom believed that eh ahd eliminated all the Parselmouths, he would be more assured that a protection based on Parseltongue would enusre impregnable defences for his horcruxes. Ofcourse he did not count on Dumbledore's brilliance and Harry emerging as his nemesis.

Voldemort would not do that. He wants to be able to get his horcruxes whenever he wants. Putting a spell on a horcrux so that only a pureblood can touch it would prevent him from getting it. That doesn't sound like his style.

i agree that he will make sure he can access his own horcruxes otherwise there isnt much point in them.

maybe there will be other enchantments on them however so only certain people can get them

i dont know what other enchantments he could use though!!

ideas?

Yea. good theory. Ron would be so scared to do that though. But hopefully he's a little braver in the 7th book because his lack of courage sucks! I always wonder why Ron is in Gryffindor. Just becasue his family are...but he's not even a tiny bit courageous. Not at all. And Gryffindors are courageous aren't they?!

I really doubt that voldemort would protect his precious horcrux with a condition that only a pure-blood could reach it. you know why? well, i will tell you why... it is because if he decided to check on the horcrux or move it then he would have to access it but since he is not a pureblood then he won't be able to. so he would just kick himself on the head for being so stupid but we know that he is not an idiot bloke. so he would not do that.

I don't think that only a pureblood can get Voldemort's horcruxes, one it's exactly the same that The Chosen Captain explained, two Harry got rid of the diary in the CoS.

Actually, the Inferi attack when Harry touched the water with the goblet, because the enchantments made it that the only way for him to access water for Dumbledore was out of the water which activates the enchantments making the Inferi attack.

i don't think it's possible as voldemort himself is a half-blood not a pure blood. so whenever he needed a horcrux he will have to suffer whatever curse ou are talking about and he will never be able to take it, and it will backfire onto him self.

i don't think that there is any curseof that type on the horcrux.

i would think that if he did do it that it would be quite stupid of him because then anyone who was a pureblood could touch it. it just doesnt sound like voldemort he is much smarter than that. he would think of something much more cleaver like the ring or the book it just isnt his style. plus like has been said before... why would he put an enchantment on it so that he himself could not touch it.

Well, I think that it is possible that Voldemort made it so that only one 'type' of person could grab a Horcrux. I tihnk he would've made it so only half-bloods can take it becuase as said in OOTP, Voldemort chose Harry which to base the prophecy on, instead of Neville. Dumbledore said that Voldemort chose Harry becasue Harry was half-blood as well. So I think it's likley Voldemort made it so only half-blood can grab the Horcrux.

If you mean we the readers, then we do know...but I'll assume you meant most of the characters in the story Harry told Bellatrix in the Ministry...what if she spread the word?



Yes, thats what I was thinking too. But it seems he hasn't really thought that far ahead for at least one of them (the locket). He set it up to trap whoever was trying to steal it...maybe thats what he intended to happen.

As for the pureblood help, it is possible I suppose. But I think it would be hard to come up with a type of magic which only allows purebloods through (for example, a barrier), and himself - him being a half-blood - without other half-bloods and the like getting through.

It's a possibility.. Voldermort does only believe that Pure Bloods are worthy wizards but then again look at Snape he's not a pure blood but he can do some powerful stuff.

It might help but not very much. The whole Parslemouth things probably more likely i think.
So that gives Harry an advantage.
There isn't alot of Parslemouths so that wittle downs the number of how many people can really have a good go at getting to his Horcruxes.

Though J.K may use this to get Ron more envoled but i do still think something like that wouldn't fool Voldermort.

well if there is a horcrux that only a pure-blood can get, then yes i think ron will have to do it, unless there is somone else that is pure blood that joins the trio on thier quest.

but Ron's a Weasley - are't they seen as muggle-lovers and blood traitors, which is just as bad in Voldy's eyes?

I think its more likely he used parseltounge as a protection - does he know Harry is a parselmouth? The memory did but it's just a memory.

Quick question....is not Harry a pureblood? If I am not mistaken daddy dearest was a wizard and mommie dearest was a witch. That would make Harry a pureblood no? In any case, the theory that Ron would be able to grab the horcrux is rather interesting considering the fact that Ron is a little bit of a wuss.

Well we have to keep in mind that the weasley's are all blood traitors, they are still pure blood, but didn't ron say that they are seen as the equal to a muggle born or mudblood?

I mean maybe it would help him in a similar situation with a sacrifice for blood as a way to enter the cave. because if it was looking for pure blood, Ron would get in becuase I don't think the magic would be able to detect whether or not that perosn is a blood traitor.

tell me if i'm wrong

I think that's an interesting idea, but I don't think that Ron's blood will have as much sig. fig. as Harry's, since both he and the Dark Lord are half-bloods, which has come up before. Besides, Ron's family is just a bunch of traitors, and I don't think that his blood will be any more important, seeins as most of the Death Eaters hate his kind and all that jazz. I also don't think that Ron will be traveling with Harry, but that he and Hermione will be chasing him, following the clues, or that they'll be at Hogwarts, cause Harry will catch them, and send them back, but they'll do everything they can to help him, I dunno, but I don't think that they'll be together, which makes me think that Ron's blood can't have all that much importance. I do think however that it is interesting that within the trio they represent a Pure blood, a Half blood, and a Muggle born (I don't like insults), and if you look at it again, aren't they all like examples of each. On many issues, Ron and Hermione are opposites, while Harry is sorta inbetween, like the house elf issue, and getting in trouble and stuff, so we've got the whole spectrum right there. Wow, I just realized that, which is sad, but it's true. Now, that idea, I think that might have more sig. fig. than just Ron's blood. Oh, sorry if my typing is a little off, but I'm trying to be quiet, since me mum wants to sleep, but I can't, so I'm typing, which is kinda hard in the dark, and yeah. What do y'all think about the trio idea?

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Yeah, it could be that Ron as well as Hermione do play a vital role in unveiling the horcruxes. But I don´t think it´s got to do with blood in the first place. Maybe parallel to Philosopher´s Stone, they both contribute something Harry can´t.
That would also play a trick on Voldemort, who underestimates values he doesn´t know about, such as friendship. So a sacrifice out of friendship must be the power to finally find/destroy the remaining horcruxes. (If it was only blood, Harry could just buy a vial of anyone´s blood: "Hey, Ronnie, could you drain some drops out of that venule of yours, I´ll give you ten gallons.")

Well since harry is the one who is going to fight voldemort and destroy the hircruxs and hermione is the smart one JKR would not leave ron not helping harry soo i guess.

[font=Lucida Console]ello this could not be true harry has to get hte horcruxs alone he will not let ron and hermoine go to godrics hallow

[font=Arial Narrow duh harrys a pureblood and wat does he has his mothers eyes have do wid any thing

well since he is a pureblood,maybe but if that was so, how come Harry could get through to the locket horcrux?

i dont think ron being a pureblood will help but why are people saying ron is a wuss he has done a lot of brave things like scarficing himself in the first book he always is there doing dangerous stuff with harry ron is very brave

Thank You Proffesor!!!! As I was reading these posts I was shocked at how many people seemed to think that Ron wasn't brave! Ummm...lets see...1st year- willingly sacrificing himself to enable Harry to get to the stone. 2nd year- Went into the Chamber of secrets to save his little sister. 3rd year- Attacked by a giant dog but still wanting to fight and defend his friends. I think you get the jist but I promise I can go on.
Sure, compared to Harry, Ron is not all that recognizably courageous. But is anybody? Harry is unusually brave, even Dumbledore knew it, so it is unrealistic to think that Ron's courage could surpass Harry's, but by no means is Ron cowardly.

Very possible. But I think that now that he knows so much bout harry he would make it evenr harder to get in to so like i think he wouldnt just give access to any pureblood

i like the idea that he put charms on it that would make it so only parselmouth could get to it

I think that it might be important that Ron is a pure blood and Hermione is a muggleborn, but how it will be important I don't know... But I don't think that Voldemort has protected a horcrux so that only pure blood can take it becouse then he wouldn't even be able to do it himself. That would be very stupid

But I think, that Harrys friendship whit both a pure blood and a mugleborn will have some kind of important role in the end.

I think it might help...
But as it has been said before, Voldemort himself was a half-blood. So it may not matter... But if it does I think Ron will be the only who can grab it. Unless Neville comes, hes a pureblood too, right?

I think the fact that they've got a muggleborn, a half-blood and a pureblood will help in all the different challenges, but i don't think that ron will be any more useful than the others - remember, voldemort is a half-blood and he will want to gain access to the horcruxes, so he can't make it impossible for anyone other than a pureblood to get his horcruxes.

i completely agree!

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Harry is technically a pureblood but his whole familt isn't as his mum was a muggles born so to sme people that would make him seem less of a pure blood and more of a half blood.

Harry's cosidered a halfblood. It's because of the whole Hitler thing-if there's just one Jew in the family, then everyone's worthy of being a jew. It's the same with Purebloods and muggleborns. You could be all pure-and one muggleborn would make everyone as bad as a Muggleborn.

Harry's a halfblood, Hermione's Muggleborn ... Ron's the only pureblood. I think this is not done by cowinkydink. I reakon Ron's going to have a bigger part in DH (well i hope he does) and i can see this as why ...

Ron's time to shine ... yay!

Sorry to rain on your parade but in OOTP when Harry is are looking at the old portriot of the black family tree Sirius says that all pure-blood familys are related, then when harry notices that the weaslyes arent on there he asks and Sirius says that if anyone is a blood traitor its the weasleys, so there not exactley pure blood

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