I don't know about you lot but i think the dumbledore in the first and second movies portrays the dumbledore from the book a lot better than the one in movies 3 and 4.

It seems to me that the second dumbledore shouts at harry and even hits him!!!!!!!! I wonder how he is going to act in the movie when Harry start's shouting at him and throwing things in his office?????

I would love to hear your comments!

Well, I don't think that Gambon is going to be really peaceful unfortunately! But if he tries, he would be adorable! I think that he is a powerful and nervous actor so as to play great at the battle scene with Voldemort!!!!The same will happen at his sacking, at Trelawney's sacking and at his office when Harry gets into because of Mr.Weasley's injury...I dunno,m I hope that he would be powerful when the script demands it and calm aat some other scenes...

I think the tense Dumbledore is partly Newell's doing...Gambon was much better in POA, he just naturally lacks that peaceful voice that Harris had, who we know will never return. But we should expect him to be tense like that in the 6th movie, if you've read the book and the chapter called "Horcruxes." he is, after all, portrayed to be human. But I do hope they'll ease up some in the 5th.

gambon is horrible at dumeldore. period no question. the only thing i think gambon will be better at harris is the fight scene between him and dumeldore. harris would be horrible at it but gambon would be good..

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hmmmmm i agree. i think the only thing gambon will be good at is the battle scene. anyway, we will have to wait and see .....

Remember a part of the plotline relates to the change in how Dumbledore interacts with Harry in OP, he talks to him still but Harry notices the Professor doesn't look at him directly in the eye...A characterization tone that unnerved Harry and readers alike. Therefore IMO Gambon's Dumbledore may not affectionate or closer to Harry till the very end. I think since DD has the opportunity to use magic defensively twice in the story hopefully the screenwriter will find restraint for Dumbledore's character. :shrugs:

I really really hope that the Dumbledore in this movie is at least a bit nicer to Harry. I still haven't gotten over in the last movie, where Dumbledore comes rushing up to Harry and practically pins him to the wall, demanding to know if he put his name into the GoF. I mean, I know it was a stressful time in the movie, but come on! Sorry, that just bugged me. I do hope that Dumbledore is a bit more... cheerful... in this one, though. In the last movie or two, he seemed kind of... I dunno... strange. Movie 3 wasn't all that bad, but I still think the Dumbledore in the first 2 movies was better.

Upon reading books 5 & 6, I am convinced they cast Gambon as Dumbledore because they wanted him for movies 5 & 6. I think they wanted people to get used to him in 3 & 4 so that for 5 & 6, we would appreciate him more.

I hope that was their plan. In PoA and GoF, Gambon started destroying the character. I hope he restores Dumbledore to the place he deserves.

well its impossible they choose gambon just for 5 and 6 as you said couse he must have been cast in 2003 and the 5th book came out in july 2003 and 6th in july 2005

i think he would because well (SPORLER!!!!)

Sirius dies back I think he'll be more affectionate to in the end.
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[spoiler][Mod Edited: No caps] SIRUS DIES BACK I THINK HE'LL BE MORE AFFECIONATE TO HIM IN THE END

WHAT DO U GIRLZ AND GUYS THINK??[/spoiler]

I've watched all the movies many times now, and I am genuinely worried about how badly this awful new Dumbledore could mess up the next movie - the characterisation is all wrong, as so many others have said before me. Why would the other characters trust this Dumbledore as much as they do in the book - he's horrible! He's aggressive, insecure, emotionally clumsy, and shows no sign at all of having any particular degree of wisdom.

I think people should write to David Yates at Harry Potter Productions, at the Leavesden Studios, about issues of concern - remember that the people making the movies do not hang around on fansites, unless one addresses snail mail directly to them, one's opinions are not heard. Gambon is obviously a good actor, but one gets the impression that he hasn't read the books! I think because he's such a respected actor, the directors haven't "directed" him - they've just let him do his own thing. He's getting it all wrong and it's really buggering up the series.

I was very disappointed with Gambon. Gandolf can't be Dumbledore!! sorry. He puts too much "thought" and "background" into Dumbledore's character, when he doesn't know anything about him. Richard Harris on the other hand captured Dumbledore in most aspects, and so we should all morn for the next few movies. I'm scared, personally, to watch the fighting scene this film cause he's going to make it too, tooooooooooooo!!!!!! fighty!!!! Dumbledore has more reserve than Gambon portrays.
And as for his reactions towards Harry, yes, he's bad at them..

Will he be more affectionate? .... No. Remember the book OotP ... Dumbledore hardly speaks to Harry ... he just turns up for the hearing to defend him, but he disappears immediately and avoids all personal contact ... Harry gets very angry with him, and the situation isn't resolved until at the very end of the book, after the battle at the Ministry, after Dumblefore had sent him back to Hogwarts, after keeping silent while Harry rants and raves in his office ...

only then does he stop to explain why he has been so aloof.

I think that Gambon can be trusted to play Dumbledore's aloofness. I sincerely hope that the director will know the books and be sensible enough to give Michael Gambon a few hints on how to play the last scene.

i think that it is a big part of the book that DD is not affecionate with harry cause it goes back to voldemort and thats how he ends up finding out about why he got the scar !!!
nice thorght but it is to big a part for them to mess it up!!

i dont think DD will be affectionate with harry...though if Michael plays the scene where him and harry are in his office after the DoM scene right then he could be seen as more affectionate towards harry.

BUT im kinda worried at him doing this last scene because it describes him as being completely calm and then the tear rolling down his face...i dont know how well he is going to play that out

but anyway...during the movie i dont think DD will be more affectionate to harry seeing as basically harry doesnt see him...mayb only during those last scenes.

I also don't like the way Dumbledore was portrayed in movies 3 and 4. However, I don't think that's Gambon's fault. The director is the one who decides on it! Dumbledore in 1 and 2 was perfect...calm and understanding. I think the problem with Dumbledore was that the recent directors haven't actually read the books, and so they didn't understand what Dumbledore is like. Really, if you don't know how wise he is and haven't read the books, it's not hard to make mistakes, like having him get made when Harry was selected by the Goblet of Fire.

Somehow, I don't think David Yates has read the books, either. In the books, Ron and Harry completely understand that Hermione is smart...however, on the ABC Family preview, we saw that Yates has already made the shocking mistake of having Ron underestimate Hermione's intelligence. Seriously!

So unless Yates suddenly decides to read the books and understands Dumbledore, I don't think the Dumbledore in movie 5 will be any better. He's not nearly as kind, wise, and caring in the movies as he should be...and it dissapoints me.

Remember in the third movie, when Dumbledore and Snape are standing over Harry, and Dumbledore says the line about dreams? I think that peacefulness and absentmindedness is the exact way Dumbledore should be; I have no clue why he doesn't act like that all the time. That was an excellent portrayal of DD, and Richard Harris would have thanked him for it.

Yes, I agree with some of you about the fact that DD was way too harsh on Harry and ruined the portrayal in Goblet of Fire when he rushed in the room and basically attacked Harry. I think he is too rough around the edges but will prove to be a "diamond in the rough" when he has to defend Harry in some places in the next movie.

That's because Michael Gambon has absolutely no idea how to portray Dumbledore correctly, whereas Richard Harris, one of the greatest actors that has ever lived in my opinion, did.



I certainly hope that Gambon gets his act together and figures out how Dumbledore is really supposed to be, because otherwise that scene will be horrible.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder if Gambon has even read the books.


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No, I don't think the character of Dumbledore will be affectionate with Harry in this movie - he was absolutely aloof with him for most of the book until the very end when Harry got furious with him and Dumbledore explained his shortcomings.

As far as the actors who have played DD in the films this far - I think that Harris did a better job of capturing the essence of the Books' Dumbledore than Gambon has, BUT quite frankly, neither of them have been outstanding in my humble opinion. Neither actor and none of the directors have quite caught the Dumbledore I experience when reading the book.

I can't say that about the vast majority of the rest of the cast which seem spot on to me - just Dumbledore.

As far as Gambon's freaked out performance in GOF, I "blame" the director more than I "blame" the actor.

Has gambon even bothered to read the books? or at least watch PS and COS? he should at least try to "act" more calm, in GOF, i was really shocked when he done that to harry, i was like HE SHOULDNT BE DOING THAT!, it may just be the script though, you cant always blame it on the actor, but, Gambon should atleast try a bit more
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I hope so because that really wasn't Dumbledore in GOF. When he ramms Harry up the wall.
Dumbledore as J.K describes him isn't like that...
I think they got him to realise in the end that for use of his words..

" I put you in terrible danger this year Harry."

So maybe with a bit of luck he will be a little more gentle and not be so rough towards Harry.

But then this is OOTP where they don't talk to each other very much.. So he might be in HBP.

You are so right! I think that Richard Harris was Dumbledore for real lol, he was just PERFECT for the role, his voice, his acting, everything! It's so sad that he died ::sob::

And Michael Gambon can be a very good actor, but he is not a good Dumbledore...
He is not the calm, realxed Dumbledore of the books, when he asked harry if he had put his name into the goblet of fire, I was very surprised of the way he asked it, it was like "what happened to that calm and sweet old man?" xD

I remember that I once saw a fanart of the scene in which DD talks to Draco at the end of HBP that he told him fiercly "COME TO THE RIGHT SIDE DRACO!!!" and it was so hilarious because I think that that will probably be the way in which Michael Gambon will represent that scene xD lol

xD

I completely agree with you.

Dumbledore #1 was played by Richard Harris who died in October 2002 of Hodgkins Disease.I too, think that he was a wonderful choice, and he will be greatly missed.
Dumbledore#2, however was/is played by Sir Michael Gambon, who's take on our beloved Albus seems seriously horrible to some (if not most fans)
I really cannot picture him portraying the powerfull scenes in Order of the Phoenix, and Half Blood Prince, that we enjoy,to create the right effect for audiences, and readers allike.
I share your hopes, but I feel that the prospects look grim.

It disapoints me,too, Stag.
WHY must the world be like this?
Did'nt the directors KNOW that reading the books would help?

THIS IS JK'S SERIES PEOPLE! DON'T RUIN IT!

You know, I think that Dumbledore is basically screwed now! I think it's both Gambon's, and the directors fault.

If they could just smoosh Richard Harris (rest in peace) and Michael Gambon together, then I think they'd be an almighty, all-powerful Dumbledore! They could take over the world! Or at least play Dumbledore right.

I think it would immensley difficult to play Dumbledore though, cause he's such a complicated character, he's both passionate and withdrawn, peaceful and fierce, it's kinda like he always says the right thing, or does the right thing, but what the right thing is, no-one knows until he says it.

As for GoF, I think Harry should file assault charges!

WHEW! I am so glad that so many people share this opinion...I completely agree that DD in his right mind would nver, EVER have shouted at Harry and grabbed him like that in GoF, when asking Harry if he put his name in. The only moment in either PoA or GoF that Michael Gambon seemed even a little bit like the DD we have all come to know and love, was, yes, in PoA when he's walking over the students, talking about dreams...otherwise too loud and forceful, not calm and peaceful like poor Richard(sob)...incredibally disappointed.

I liked the Dumbledore in 1 and 2 better... I don't know if it was the actor or the director but I liked it better then.
The new Dumbledore is a little to harsh and kind of crazy if you ask me. I don't know, the Dumbledore I pictured was more loving and didn't say such random things . But I do hope that Dumbledore is a little more calm and caring in Ootp.

I thought Richard Harris was a little too soft as Dumbledore, he didn't seem to me to be the most powerful wizard. Whereas I do get that feeling from michael gambon, but he is a little too rigid i think... Really a mix of the two would be perfection!

Yes when they had to change the actor who played Dumbledore.. RIP.. It ruined Dumbledores portrayal. The new actor isnt warm and kind. In Goblet Of Fire Dumbledore actually grabs Harry and pins him up against a wall! Not Dumbledore at all and certainly not in the book! Plus he often shouts at Harry and shows no favour or warmth towards him as he does in the books and first and second films. I hope it has been noticed by the actors and directors and will be changed!

Its not Gambons fault completely. As someone stated above the director decides how the actor will act. I think in this movie, he will really need to be calm and affectionate towards Harry at the end of the book. Obviously its the end because they dont talk until the end, but they have a emotional discussion that needs to be realistic.

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i agree with all of u. i think that harris was a better potral of DD because he was calm, supportive and so on, but this DD isnt. and in the books DD favors harry most of all stundents but doesnt in the 3 and 4 movies.i was seriously bummed when i watched the 3 ans 4 movie, but what can you do the other DD is gone ....RIP... but u never know Gambon coul be better in the other movies, cause if hes not its just going to ruin all the other movies.

richard harris in the first two movies was easily one of the best people to play the part. he was kind, affectionate, and he wasnt abbusive to harry like michael gambon is. im not doubting that he is a good actor but he really needs to be more like harris. dd isnt meant to be mean. i mean since when does dd slam harry into a wall.

Gambon lacks wisdom. The way he talks seems like any other teacher. Harris had this thing when he talked, it seemed like he had many experiences and lots of wisdom. Gambon was so rough on Harry after Harry's name came out of the goblet of fire in GOF and I still have no clue why he was so rough on Harry, pushing him into instruments and sorts. He seems too active for a Dumbledore. He needs to move slower because Dumbledore is supposed to be old, but not young either.

I thought that the first dumbledore was wayyyy
more like the one I imagined in the books.
I do NOT like this new guy
he seems like hes irritable all the time..

I agree with hgsupporter. DD in the books is so kind and all knowing like his patience is everlasting. Gambon's DD is just like another teacher and although more important, he doesn't seem to portray that he has a lot of wisdom in him. He was horrible in GoF in my opinion, and I really hope he does better in this movie. Harris was such a good casting choice*sigh*. Oh well I hope this movie reaches my exepctations...I think I'll lower them a bit.

i do belive he will be shown more like the kinda of dd we read about in the 5th movie and less like the one we have been seeing... and as for the scene when harry gets mad i do belive he will be just as calm as described in the book...

i didn't like the second dumbeldore..he didn't potray the dumbeldore in the books well..he is not affectionate towards harry..he is very rough with him especially in goblet of fire when barty crouch jr showed his dark mark,dumbeldore just pulled his hand so hard and showed it to him..i liked the first dumbeldore

OK. 2 things you guys should know.

1. It isnt Michael Gambons fault that the script isnt written so he sounds affectionate towards Harry. Its not his fault.

2. In OoTP Dd doesnt even talk to Harry till the very end because he keeps trying to ignore him. The only time that they will actually talk to each other will be at the end when Dd explains everything to Harry.

I bet he will be alittle more affectionate though because he is just so saddened in the book that he did things wrong.

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I noticed that also, and that's what made the 2nd movie one of my favorites. For example, in the 4th movie, when we find out that Harry's a champion, in the book, Dumbledore was calm, but quite the opposite in the movie. I didn't enjoy it and they need to fix that part for the 5th movie

I can't stand Gambon's Dumbledore to be honest. For me, Harris was the one and only Dumbledore - he just happened to be the best actor alive at the time! When I found out that he died, I was so depressed obviously because he died but also because I knew that someone other than him - who couldn't possibly act the part 50% as well as he did - would be playing Dumbledore.

But as for should Dumbledore be more affectionate? I think he should be, particularly with the reaction to Sirius's death scene. I have a feeling that it's going to be a heart wrenching, emotional scene so I don't think that Dumbledore should be harsh. He should definately be more affectionate towards Harry.

i agree with that! gambon just didn't cut it for me in GoF, and if he doesn't do it better in OotP i would be pretty upset!
i mean think about it in the CS harry was being blamed for attacking other students and DD didn't grab in and shake him asking if he had attacked the other students
i hope gambon picks up the book and reads what DD should be like

WAaahhh! I almost cried when Harris died. ok, I rekon Gambons' a great actor, but he just doesn't flow with the role of DD. He doesn't seem to show enough softness & understanding in his voice, nor did he have the calm technique as harris. And why on earth does he tie his beard & wear that funny little hat??? that question has always been on my mind ever since PoA was released. don't get me wrong, gambons' great, but he just needs to seem more calming & inderstanding towards harry.

No, I don't think that he will be anymore affectionate with Harry. I mean in the books he is very kind and almost like a father to Harry, and that's kind of how he was in the first two movies, but the third and forth movie, I thought that the new dumbledore was almost cruel to Harry. Although I want Dumbledore to be more affectionate with Harry, because it would be more like the books that way, but we all know that he wont. I'm my eyes he will never portray the reall Dumbledore.

Wow, I never guessed some people are so stupid, it is the diretors fault if he made Dumbledore tense. I think that Gambon plays and looks just like Dumbledore. But He is not as tall as discribed in the book







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Whoa. Ok I'm going to contribute to the actual question as well as the surrent conversation. I don't think that Dumbledore will be more affectionate to Harry because as a teacher, he can't. That thought came to me originally when I was reading OOTP, and even more in HBP.

As for the current conversation, I do think that Richard Harris was more like the DD I invisioned while reading, but I have nothing against Gambdon at all. Both are extremely good actors who have brought the beloved character alive!

THANK-YOU. Finally, someone actually makes sense

if it had not been for harris's stunningly accurate portrayal of DD in the first 2 then gambon's version wouldnt be such a big deal, i mean i still dislike what he did with the character, especially the scene in GOF when he yells/shakes Harry after his name comes out of the goblet of fire. but ever since i first read OOTP ive known gambon will be perfect for that movie in particular, because, at least through harrys eyes, hes really kind of a d i c k throughout most of the book.

He better be more affectionate! Richard Harris was the perfect Dumbledore ever and noone, especially not Gambon can take over. That's just my opinion. Gambon is way too harsh and totally not even Dumbledore at all. Because Sirius dies in OOtP and Dumbledore deals with Harry, I certainly hope that he'll be much much much more affectionate than he has been in previous movies. Richard Harris, for me, was the only true Dumbledore.

Gambon had better get it together in OotP! In PoA, and especially in GoF, he has played a much more overtly aggressive Dumbledore than the person readers imagine based on the books. While it's true that his portrayal certainly demonstrates why Dumbledore was the only one Voldemort ever feared, I almost feel like Gambon missed the point of the character -- he is supposed to be strong and powerful, but quietly brilliant, not stampeding around and shouting all the time.

I think it is particularly important that Gambon tones it down in OotP, because the fight in the Ministry will not be nearly as impressive if Dumbledore is raging around, firing off spells left, right, and center. One of the main reasons that Harry admires Dumbledore so much is that he is calm in the face of danger, and always in control of his emotions. If Dumbledore starts freaking out when he's up against Voldemort the way he yelled and shook Harry after his name came out of the Goblet of Fire, the character just won't be as respectable.

While I hear what people are saying about Dumbledore being distant with Harry throughout the majority of OotP because of what he knows is happening in Harry's mind, I do hope they'll have a proper heart-to-heart talk at the end, like they did in the book. Dumbledore's obvious love and respect for Harry and the depth of his desire to protect him at the end of OotP makes his death all the more devastating in HBP.