Before each Harry Potter book comes out, there are always people who will try to turn theories they've concocted into fact, or even those who will simply create rumors for the fun of it. Currently, there are a few about Book 7 and below you can find the ones which JKR has debunked.
Character Information
Dumbledore is really dead. He is not in hiding and is not coming back.
There will be no character named "Icicle," and JK said that she didn't recall saying there ever would be
Dumbledore is not Harry's relative
Harry is not related to Voldemort and he is not related to Salazar Slytherin
Lily Potter is not alive
Lily was not a Death Eater
Crookshanks is not an Animagus
Neville is not the son of Peter Pettigrew
Remus Lupin does not have a twin brother
Petunia is not a Squib
Dumbledore is not Harry/Ron from the future
Mrs Norris/Crookshanks will not be discovered as an Animagus
Plot Information
Harry will not become Minister for Magic
Peter Pettigrew’s silver hand will not kill Lupin
Lupin will not return as a DADA professor
The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville
The final part of the prophecy does not mean Harry has to kill Neville, or vice versa
Other
The title of the book will not be "Harry Potter and the Pyramids of Furmat"
No prequel books are planned (no books before Harry's time at Hogwarts)
"Keeper of the Keys" has no secret meaning
The Sorting Hat is not a horcrux
Full Version: Jkr Has Debunked A Few Rumors.
You know what would really help? If you cited where you got this info. Not just from "mugglenet" or "Wikipedia" but from Jo's own mouth. Link us some stuff here that supports all of these things are fact. I remember some of i, but other stuff doesn't sound on. So....more info please!
Ok, all of this came from mugglenet, who didn't site any of their sources. All of this is true, though. For the record, this is what veritaserum (remember them, the ones who own the forum you're posting in?) says, with links to all the sources.
The following isn't in the VTM listing:
"Harry will not become Minister for Magic."
Close, but not quite. The dubunked romor on her website says:
This doesn't rule out anything later, though from what she's said in interviews, I agree that no, he won't ever be minister of magic.
"Keeper of the Keys' has no secret meaning."
This one is true. It was in an interview:
One last note:
"The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville."
This isn't exactly what JK herself said. She said that neville wasn't the chosen one, and that his fate wasn't intertwined with harry's. She said that the prophesy could have referred to neville. It pointed to both harry and neville. But since voldemort chose harry, the prophesy is about harry. This is a subtle but very important difference.
See, again, that's why I like veritaserum.
Fish
The following isn't in the VTM listing:
"Harry will not become Minister for Magic."
Close, but not quite. The dubunked romor on her website says:
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Harry will be asked to become Minister of Magic in book seven
Seventeen is much too young to enter politics.
Seventeen is much too young to enter politics.
This doesn't rule out anything later, though from what she's said in interviews, I agree that no, he won't ever be minister of magic.
"Keeper of the Keys' has no secret meaning."
This one is true. It was in an interview:
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ES: Hagrid's Keeper of the Keys title: does that mean anything?
JKR: Just simply that he will let you in and out of Hogwarts, so it's slightly more interesting than that but it's not loads more interesting. So, again, that is something that people shouldn't get too excited about.
JKR: Just simply that he will let you in and out of Hogwarts, so it's slightly more interesting than that but it's not loads more interesting. So, again, that is something that people shouldn't get too excited about.
One last note:
"The prophecy refers to Harry, and not in any way to Neville."
This isn't exactly what JK herself said. She said that neville wasn't the chosen one, and that his fate wasn't intertwined with harry's. She said that the prophesy could have referred to neville. It pointed to both harry and neville. But since voldemort chose harry, the prophesy is about harry. This is a subtle but very important difference.
See, again, that's why I like veritaserum.
Fish
Snapelover, check out the 'rumours' section on Jo's official site...that really is from her own mouth, as she actually created the website. It's www.jkrowling.com
Is it just me, or was anybody else completley crushed when JKR said that Dumbledore is absolutely dead during the Q&A session after her reading in New York recently? I had been attmpting to think of every possible way that he would still be alive, but no. So yes, my bubble was bursted. Now I have to find other ways that he can still communicate with Harry.
Well SnapeLovingRavenclaw... I fear you have not burst my bubble 
There are still active theories that are quite plausible to a return from Dumbledore... I know what JKR said on August 2nd, I know how the interview went and all... I feel what she said may have only masked what the real plot is by using well chosen words and phrases. Im not afraid to be wrong... I know there is a high chance that I am wrong, but the fact that I am sticking by my beliefs through all this will be all the more better if I am correct. I will be honest that I will be disappointed if I am wrong... but not afraid of it. All I am saying is that JKR said that there is no possible way for a return... he just cant do it like Gandalf
~Albus
There are still active theories that are quite plausible to a return from Dumbledore... I know what JKR said on August 2nd, I know how the interview went and all... I feel what she said may have only masked what the real plot is by using well chosen words and phrases. Im not afraid to be wrong... I know there is a high chance that I am wrong, but the fact that I am sticking by my beliefs through all this will be all the more better if I am correct. I will be honest that I will be disappointed if I am wrong... but not afraid of it. All I am saying is that JKR said that there is no possible way for a return... he just cant do it like Gandalf
~Albus
you no what i wasnt that guited when she told us about dd really is dead, i think it would be really........predictable if he did come back i just think in most good books one of the main characters dies. i think it makes it a good book. i no everyone will disagree with me, but its just my theory does anybody agree with me?(proberly not)
I agree that Dumbledore is dead but as with all previous headmasters and prominient wizards there is always the portraits meaning Dumbledore will still be around in some form.
Dumbledore will still be able to communicate with the Headmaster who takes over Hogwarts. I am sure it will open again. He could also have a portrait hanging in Grimmauld place so he can speak with the order.
So although Dumbledore is in all purposes dead he will still be able to help Harry and continue to share his knowledge
Dumbledore will still be able to communicate with the Headmaster who takes over Hogwarts. I am sure it will open again. He could also have a portrait hanging in Grimmauld place so he can speak with the order.
So although Dumbledore is in all purposes dead he will still be able to help Harry and continue to share his knowledge
I knew all of that already. you need to get better info. I go to jk's site almost every day adn i read that like..... idk 3-4 months ago?? But seriously, anyone who is a fan knows her site and knows that peice of info. Jeez! 
MOD EDIT : Watch your tone, please. Bit of respect for fellow fans would be nice. I suggest you go read the rules.
~Louise
MOD EDIT : Watch your tone, please. Bit of respect for fellow fans would be nice. I suggest you go read the rules.
~Louise
My bubble isn't burst mostly because I believe what JK says and she said a long time ago that people can't and don't come back from the death in her series. But a lof of people are uwilling to let their beliefs go about, characters, plot lines, and ships.
I must be one of the few people who believes that JK might be lying about some of the things she debunks out of sheer need, such as Dumbledore being Ron come back. The sad part is she doesn't have to do anything to make it not so. All she has to do is nothing and there will be no proof that Dumbledore is Ron, just a lot of coincidences and a few oddities, such as the incident with the vomit flavored Bertie Bott's Bean in Dumbledore's "youth" even though BBEFB's didn't come out until Dumbldore was around 100.
what rumor refers to there being a character named "icicle"? and what was the supposed importance of this character?
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what rumor refers to there being a character named "icicle"? and what was the supposed importance of this character?
Oh, it was tossed around several times. First, it was thought to be the name of Ron's cousin. Later, it was thought to be a sinister character in book 4 or 5. Obviously, no one with such a name has appeared.
Rowling said:
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The mysterious 'Icicle'
I have been told that I once promised a character with this name during an interview. I can only think that somebody misheard what I said because at no stage have I ever planned a character called 'Icicle.'
Professor Bicycle, on the other hand, will be a key figure in books six and seven.*
*this is a joke
I have been told that I once promised a character with this name during an interview. I can only think that somebody misheard what I said because at no stage have I ever planned a character called 'Icicle.'
Professor Bicycle, on the other hand, will be a key figure in books six and seven.*
*this is a joke
The cousin thing I can only assume is refering to Mafalda:
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Mafalda (Goblet of Fire)
I have spoken before now about the Weasley cousin who made it quite a long way into 'Goblet of Fire' before I cut her. I really liked her as a character and did not want to sacrifice her, but she just wasn't doing the job she was supposed to do so she had to go.
Mafalda was the daughter of the 'second cousin who's a stockbroker' mentioned in 'Philosopher's Stone'. This stockbroker had been very rude to Mr. and Mrs. Weasley in the past, but now he and his (Muggle) wife had inconveniently produced a witch, they came back to the Weasleys asking for their help in introducing her to wizarding society before she starts at Hogwarts. The Weasleys agreed to taking her for part of the Summer, including the Quidditch World Cup, but regretted this almost immediately. Mrs. Weasley suspected that Mafalda's parents simply wanted to get rid of her for a while, because she turns out to be the most unpleasant child Mrs. Weasley has ever met.
Mafalda was supposed to convey certain information about the Death Eaters to Harry, Ron and Hermione, because as a nosy, eavesdropping Slytherin who likes to impress, she does not keep her mouth shut when she overhears their sons and daughters talking. Unfortunately, however bright I made her, there were obvious limitations to what an eleven year old closeted at school could discover, whereas Rita Skeeter, whom I subsequently built up to fulfil Mafalda's function, was much more flexible.
The best thing about Mafalda was that she was a match for Hermione. To the latter's horror, Mafalda was highly gifted and a real show-off, so that Hermione was torn between deploring the rule-breaking and longing to join in and beat her.
I have spoken before now about the Weasley cousin who made it quite a long way into 'Goblet of Fire' before I cut her. I really liked her as a character and did not want to sacrifice her, but she just wasn't doing the job she was supposed to do so she had to go.
Mafalda was the daughter of the 'second cousin who's a stockbroker' mentioned in 'Philosopher's Stone'. This stockbroker had been very rude to Mr. and Mrs. Weasley in the past, but now he and his (Muggle) wife had inconveniently produced a witch, they came back to the Weasleys asking for their help in introducing her to wizarding society before she starts at Hogwarts. The Weasleys agreed to taking her for part of the Summer, including the Quidditch World Cup, but regretted this almost immediately. Mrs. Weasley suspected that Mafalda's parents simply wanted to get rid of her for a while, because she turns out to be the most unpleasant child Mrs. Weasley has ever met.
Mafalda was supposed to convey certain information about the Death Eaters to Harry, Ron and Hermione, because as a nosy, eavesdropping Slytherin who likes to impress, she does not keep her mouth shut when she overhears their sons and daughters talking. Unfortunately, however bright I made her, there were obvious limitations to what an eleven year old closeted at school could discover, whereas Rita Skeeter, whom I subsequently built up to fulfil Mafalda's function, was much more flexible.
The best thing about Mafalda was that she was a match for Hermione. To the latter's horror, Mafalda was highly gifted and a real show-off, so that Hermione was torn between deploring the rule-breaking and longing to join in and beat her.
The sinister character I guess would be Bellatrix or maybe rita skeeter.
-Fish
Part of JKR's immense charm is how she can say things that can be taken in multitudes of ways.
I, too, have come to the realization that DD is dead and will not be back... AS WE KNEW HIM. He'll be in the portraits of course. She's shown us that. She says that he won't "just come back like Gandalf." But she doesn't say that he won't be back at all. I personally think that we may see the first of reincarnation in the wizarding world as DD returns as a phoenix to guide Harry.
All of JKR's answers are carefully worded. I'm SURE that she never lies to us, but we have to interpret her answers carefully to find the true meanings.
I, too, have come to the realization that DD is dead and will not be back... AS WE KNEW HIM. He'll be in the portraits of course. She's shown us that. She says that he won't "just come back like Gandalf." But she doesn't say that he won't be back at all. I personally think that we may see the first of reincarnation in the wizarding world as DD returns as a phoenix to guide Harry.
All of JKR's answers are carefully worded. I'm SURE that she never lies to us, but we have to interpret her answers carefully to find the true meanings.
I don't think DD will come back as a phoenix however i think fawkes will be a great help to harry.
I hope that DD will help Harry (the portrait) but on the other hand i can't see how he could without the new head suspecting something
What do you think??
I hope that DD will help Harry (the portrait) but on the other hand i can't see how he could without the new head suspecting something
What do you think??
samsmom, It's so true that she never lies, she actually tells us the truth, but we cant see it before we have read the books 
I think that we most of these rumours we could have told us self that they was not true, they are actually a little ridiculous (sorry, cant spell it) and I didnt found any of them surprising. Well, maybe a little the one with Wormtail not killing Lupin, that I thought was going to happening to.
I think that we most of these rumours we could have told us self that they was not true, they are actually a little ridiculous (sorry, cant spell it) and I didnt found any of them surprising. Well, maybe a little the one with Wormtail not killing Lupin, that I thought was going to happening to.
Several years ago, even before book 5 came out, I was really worried that Pettigrew's hand would kill Lupin. I was so relieved when I found out it was a rumor!
I know this might be silly, but Dumbledore is on a chocolate frog card! Harry could carry it with him to places more private than a grand wall in the middle of Grimmauld Place. Harry could talk to Dumbledore without tons of people bustling around! JKR probably won't include this in the book, but I know that if I was Harry and was desperate for advice in such a difficult situation, I'd get that card!!!
Sorry if this was already listed, but here's another rumor JKR proved untrue:
This was on her official site in the Rumors section!
I know this might be silly, but Dumbledore is on a chocolate frog card! Harry could carry it with him to places more private than a grand wall in the middle of Grimmauld Place. Harry could talk to Dumbledore without tons of people bustling around! JKR probably won't include this in the book, but I know that if I was Harry and was desperate for advice in such a difficult situation, I'd get that card!!!
Sorry if this was already listed, but here's another rumor JKR proved untrue:
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Snape was hiding under the invisibility cloak on the night the Potter's died
No, he wasn't.
No, he wasn't.
This was on her official site in the Rumors section!
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Now I have to find other ways that he can still communicate with Harry.
Wont Dumbdores picture be put up with all the other past headmasters in his old office??
i am glad that some of these rumors are not true. Harry being minister would be against everything harry knows. he hates the ministry he would not join it
it's kind of obvious harry won't be minister because he even told Scrigemour that he was DD's man through and through and he didn't go with the ministry
hmm yeah most of these i already knew
hmm yeah most of these i already knew
I agree, if Harry had had any ambition of going into the ministry or becoming minister, he would have been more willing to help them when Scrimgoure (sp?) asked him. But he point out refused, both times. His beliefs are just so against the ministry. I mean can you be surprised? Considering everything they have done to him?
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Wont Dumbdores picture be put up with all the other past headmasters in his old office??
exactly! ginnypotter alot of theories point out that DD will help him throughj his portrait though i don't know how because he said he wasn't going back to hogwarts
alot of things can happen people!
But aren't there alot of other portriats of Dumbledore out there? I mean he was an amazing wizard, I find it hard to believe that he only has one portrait of himself in the whole world. For that matter, I know that's not true. Dumbledore has a chocolate frog card out there, In the first book when Harry got his first Chocolate Frog Dumbledore was on the card and Ron said something like "I have 12 of him" or something [*Note-I made up that number, I don't remember exactly how many Ron said he had, but it was alot] so if Harry were to just carry one of those cards around with him he could have a chat with Dumbledore whenever he felt like it, and as Ron at one point had so many I can't imagine that they are that difficult to get ahold of.
~Ginny~
~Ginny~
QUOTE(Anglar @ Oct 17 2006, 04:35 AM)
I must be one of the few people who believes that JK might be lying about some of the things she debunks out of sheer need
I second that. Sometimes, I think JKR lies so badly she almost believes it herself. But I do understand her, she doesn't want to give away too much information, and whatever happens, she wants it to be a surprise.
QUOTE(stag @ Dec 22 2006, 09:21 PM)
I know this might be silly, but Dumbledore is on a chocolate frog card! Harry could carry it with him to places more private than a grand wall in the middle of Grimmauld Place. Harry could talk to Dumbledore without tons of people bustling around!
Ooh, I like your thinking. You know what? That's not silly at all! It makes perfect sense. I'm surprised I haven't thought about that before! It's kinda obvious, isn't it? People don't just disappear from their pictures when they die, so in a way, they're not really gone, and this way, Dumbledore will be able to help Harry. And just because JKR said that he wouldn't make a Gandalf-like return, doesn't mean he won't come back at all.
You know Jo only said that Dumbledore is definitely dead not ALBUS DUMBLEDORE is defitiely dead so she could mean his brother and she wouldn't be lying beecause he too is a DUMBLEDORE
Yeah, that could be what she meant, but personally, I don't think so. But with the odd circumstances around Albus' murder and the funeral, I can understand that many people second the theory that it was actually Aberforth being killed, not Albus, and that it was Aberforth who was in the cave with Harry.
If it is Albus they did in fact die there's alot we will still find out about him because
1. his patronus is a pheonix
2. his pet is a pheonix
3. when he has to attack it's with fire i.e the wardrobe with tom he wrapped valdemort in fire when they fought
4. ha can make the Gubraithian Fire (magical everlasting fire).
5. he's tomb was conjured out of fire
and we all know that a pheonix bursts into flame before being "reborn"
1. his patronus is a pheonix
2. his pet is a pheonix
3. when he has to attack it's with fire i.e the wardrobe with tom he wrapped valdemort in fire when they fought
4. ha can make the Gubraithian Fire (magical everlasting fire).
5. he's tomb was conjured out of fire
and we all know that a pheonix bursts into flame before being "reborn"
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QUOTE(Anglar @ Oct 17 2006, 04:35 AM)
I must be one of the few people who believes that JK might be lying about some of the things she debunks out of sheer need
I second that. JKR lies so badly she almost believes it herself. But I do understand her, she doesn't want to give away too much information, and whatever happens, she wants it to be a surprise.
I don't think that JK lies about what's in the books exactly, she just talks in circles. So it sounds like she's telling us one thing but really that's not what she's getting at. I mean she obviously can't come out and say, yes this is who is going to die, this is who gets to live, and this is how Harry defeats the Horcruxes. and answer all of our millions of other questions because she would put herself out of buisness. But I don't think that she has ever really lied to us. Just spoken in circles to avoid giving straight answers.
Luv_n_Hermione, I think you're on to something here. I'm sure we'll find out a lot about him, maybe he's an animagus who turns into a phoenix? There's definitely more to that man than we know. Probably more than any of us can ever imagine (before reading book 7, of course). Another thing is that he and Fawkes do have a special connection. I'm not sure about him being reborn, that would be a little too Gandalf-like. I like the idea though.
you know Weasly_Girly_83
your quote at the bottom brings up a good point Dumbledore told this to Harry he could mean one thing he knows by now he already knows what he has to have Sanpe to do and what Harry will have to do in the end
There comes a time in every person's life
Where they will have to choose
Between doing what is right
And doing what is easy
this quote could easily mean he asked Snape to kill him
your quote at the bottom brings up a good point Dumbledore told this to Harry he could mean one thing he knows by now he already knows what he has to have Sanpe to do and what Harry will have to do in the end
There comes a time in every person's life
Where they will have to choose
Between doing what is right
And doing what is easy
this quote could easily mean he asked Snape to kill him
That's really interesting, I never thought off that. It's definitley possible that Dumbledore knew that Snape was going to have to kill him in the end, and that he didn't nesicarily [sp?, sorry I know my spelling is terrible] want to do it but had to.
Think about something people, we all are here making our own teories about ... well... everything that have to do with Hp books, they also can turn into rumors.
What i mean is certainly a lot of rumors and theorys have been made about what is going to hapen in the next book, well if JKR would say all the ones that are true and all the ones that are false it would not be necessary to edict the book cause we all would know the story. I am not sayng tha she lies but i am preaty shure that she hides the truth. She haves to.
What i mean is certainly a lot of rumors and theorys have been made about what is going to hapen in the next book, well if JKR would say all the ones that are true and all the ones that are false it would not be necessary to edict the book cause we all would know the story. I am not sayng tha she lies but i am preaty shure that she hides the truth. She haves to.
if DD did know that he was going to have Snape kill him it makes sense why Snape didn't try to kill Harry as he and Draco are running out of the grounds and that Snape is still going to play a major role for the GOOD side
until the next book comes out and says one way or the other i will always believe Snape is good
until the next book comes out and says one way or the other i will always believe Snape is good
Chico, I don't think she lies about what is going to happen, just talks in circles, have you noticed how she does that during an interview? She'll get asked a question and she'll sort of half answer it, so that nobody but her really gets a decent answer out of it. Unless it's a completely ridiculus rumor or the question catches her off guard she has prepared answers for just about everything that only half answer the questions. She's not lying, just not giving the whole truth either.
Luv_n_Hermione, I totally agree, Snape is innocent until proven, by JK, guilty.
~Ginny~
Luv_n_Hermione, I totally agree, Snape is innocent until proven, by JK, guilty.
~Ginny~
Thanks Weasly_Girly_83
glad to see someone else agrres with me as far as snape is concerned
and shes not lying if she says Dumbledore is dead and it turns out to be his brother Alberforth just as you say talking in circles
and I don't believe Jo would lie because she is a well respected author and if she would LIE to the public i'm sure she would be sommiting political suicide because the media would tear her up and anyone making money off the public wouldn not want to do that so she will tell the truth but not be specific like yes dumbledore is definitely dead but conveniantlly leaving out "albus" or "alberforth"
glad to see someone else agrres with me as far as snape is concerned
and shes not lying if she says Dumbledore is dead and it turns out to be his brother Alberforth just as you say talking in circles
and I don't believe Jo would lie because she is a well respected author and if she would LIE to the public i'm sure she would be sommiting political suicide because the media would tear her up and anyone making money off the public wouldn not want to do that so she will tell the truth but not be specific like yes dumbledore is definitely dead but conveniantlly leaving out "albus" or "alberforth"
I do not believe under any circumstances that JK Rowling would lie to anyone. But it was crushing to have the proof that dumbledore isnt coming back. But now i've learnt some stuff i havnt heard before!
I think, as most of you do, dumbledore will probably exist in paintings. But I have heard JKR speaking about "going back to the beginning" a few times. Could this mean that dumbledore appears to Harry through the Mirror of Erised?
Also in the first book, near the Beginning, when dumbledore meets with Minevera at the dursleys, he tells her that Hagrid is bringing Harry, and dumbledore states that he would trust Hagrid "with his life". Is thsi just a figure of speech? Or is there another meaning?
Also in the first book, near the Beginning, when dumbledore meets with Minevera at the dursleys, he tells her that Hagrid is bringing Harry, and dumbledore states that he would trust Hagrid "with his life". Is thsi just a figure of speech? Or is there another meaning?
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I agree, if Harry had had any ambition of going into the ministry or becoming minister, he would have been more willing to help them when Scrimgoure (sp?) asked him.
I think you'll find that it was not the Ministry in itself that was causing Harry so much grief; it was the people running it. Once Harry joined the Ministry as Head Auror after DH, he, Ron and Hermione were said to have "revolutionised the Ministry". Once some decent people were in charge, the Ministry was actually an excellent place to work.
As for the rumours, I, as well as others, had seen those on JKR's website, although I did think that Harry would have communicated with Dumbledore in the portrait; it would have been of great use. I mean, yeah, he did talk once he had defeated voldemort, but I think it would have been interesting to see what would have arisen from such a conversation.
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