solitude2
Feb 5 2007, 06:18 PM
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i would like to say that the seven horcruxs are as follows
1 the diary
2 the ring
3 the locket
4the cup
5 the snake
6 an item for grffindore or raven claw
7 harrys scar
you may say well that makes no since at all well it does if part of voldemorts soul is in harrys scar that exaplains that every time voldemort has a strong emotion harrys scar hurts
this wouldnt work, i dont think that the conscious part of voldemorts soul (vapormort i think it's been refered to) went into harry.. its possible that the 6th split piece did, but not the vapormort part.
if all 7 pieces of voldemort's soul were put into horcruxes, how could he have been sharing quirrels body? or, how could he have been the fetusmort/resurrected into Voldemort? Horcruxes are used to keep the last piece of soul thats left in someone's body (ie the vapormort piece) anchored to the living realm. To me, you make it sound like horcruxes can be used to store soul pieces, which can be released later on and used to revive someone (which would be incorrect).
For your theory it would mean he would have had 8 pieces of soul, which is very unlikely given that we know he wanted to use the strongest number in magic, 7, for how many pieces of soul he'd have.
snivellusfan
Feb 6 2007, 06:14 AM
I think remaining horcruxes are protected by what the houses symbolise(like water for slytherin)
1 locket: i think harry will meet mundungus in azkabhan and comes to know that locket is with barman(aberforth).harry meets aberforth and destroys the horcrux.aberforth may tell something more about DD(like he may be the bonder for unbreakable vow of DD with sanpe)I am not sure but regulus might have already destoryed it.
2 cup:hufflepuff symbolises earth.so it may be in gringotts.Ron mentioned in ootp that voldy killed a goblin there.his killing may have resulted in the horcrux.also bill weasley working for gringotts will play a role as untill now he has not been of much help
3 nagini: it will die in the final battle
4 ravenclaw wand:ravenclaw symbolises air.so it might have been hidden in air.our qudditch captain may not mind this
possible exceptions to the theory
1 goblin death is not significant enough to become a horcrux
2 where can voldy hide a horcrux in air?
Luv_n_Hermione
Feb 6 2007, 06:40 AM
i like that theory
slytherin water
hufflepuff eath
ravenclaw wind/air
gryfindor fire
yes the ravenclaw item could be in Gringotts because it isx said to be deep under ground
maybe it not hidden in the air pur say maybe it's suspend in something like a cat 5 hurricane i.e. those force of winds cause the eye of the storm is quite
fire well that ones kind of easy dumbledore knew how to make the gubraithian fire so why couldn't LV
snivellusfan
Feb 6 2007, 06:49 AM
I think voldy could not get hold of gryffindors object.so there may be no gryyfindor horcrux.but jo said that in her dream there was a horcrux in hidden nook of fireplace.any ideas?
bella_bellatrix
Feb 7 2007, 02:37 AM
i have a different tiara theory. remember when harry was hiding his advanced potions book from snape? well, when he was marking the cupboard he hid it in, he placed the bust of a wizard on it, a wig on top of that, and a TIARA on top of that. i think that tae tiara belonged to rowena ravenclaw, and i think that the dark lord hid it there when he came back to apply for the DADA job. like the locket in grimmauld place (which i believe to be the dark lord's horcrux, hid there by regulus [[RAB]]), jkr just slid it in there, unimportantly. recall that harry also passed the Vanishing Cabinet on the way to hide the book. jkr does things like that.
xoxoxoxo
ily
~bellaB
Sirren
Feb 7 2007, 05:37 PM
I forgot that completely. Harry wanted to get into the RoR to catch Draco, but could not. Of course, Draco got in by "needing a place to hide the cabinet" and Harry needed a place to hide the potions book.
Why would there be a "heavy, bloodstained axe" in there?
When the RoR takes the shape of a storage room for hiding things, that is the perfect place for LV to hide a horocrux. Harry saw only a bit of the room in his hast to stash the potions book, consequently, so did we.
Maybe the axe was used to kill someone to make a horocrux and it is in the RoR. Did someone else go missing when Tom was at Hogwarts?
Potter_mania1994
Feb 7 2007, 05:40 PM
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Maybe the seventh horcrux will be something that voldemort found when he killed his father(?) Like a thing that his mother could had........
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Infamous_Hat
Feb 8 2007, 01:28 AM
The only thing agaisnt the Basilisk in the chamber of secrets is that its dead. if voldemorts soul was really in it, it would keep living until he died.
unless.
when harry killed it, he took out part of voldemorts soul with it and didnt even know it. this however is highly unlikly because i cant see jkr slipping in some sort of "oh look, it was already destroyed, we just didnt know it" sort of thing into her next book. just cant see it happening.
missmugglebethany
Feb 8 2007, 08:17 PM
I personally dont feel the Basilik was a Horcux, but Infamous i'm confused about the following:
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The only thing agaisnt the Basilisk in the chamber of secrets is that its dead. if voldemorts soul was really in it, it would keep living until he died.
The way we understand how horcruxes work is that the soul is destroyed when the object the soul is in is destroyed or rendered useless. So you could destroy a horcrux and Volde could live on(unless its the last one).
But anyway i dont think the basilik is a horcrux.
Jennah
Feb 9 2007, 09:12 PM
This theory has already been mentioned in the beginning of this post, but I think that either Mrs. Weasley's aunt's goblin made tiara or the room of requirement tiara mentioned in Half-Blood prince could be the Ravenclaw Horcrux. Becuase it mentions how she was so beautiful and fair and ladylike...so I thought a tiara would fit perfectly. Also a mirrior or mirrors would work well with Ravenclaw, so I think Sirius' and James' to way mirrors could maybe be it...though I think the tiara's are more likely.
Da Box
Feb 9 2007, 10:16 PM
I can't remember who said it , but someone said that Jo had said that the attentive reader knows all the horcruxes. Maybe I'm a little too attentive, but i thought about something reading the editorial "The Triwizard Map" (by the way, it's probably the best editorial of them all). And no, it's not that I think the Triwizard Cup is the a horcrux. I just thought that there may be a "The Three Wizards Cup", or Rawenclaw, Hufflepuff and Gryffindors Cup. You may think that I'm crazy(not far from the truth

), but think about it! In chapter nine in Cos, professor Binns says that Slytherin left the school because the others didn't think that only pure-bloods could attend. Maybe they made a cup like Slytherin made a whole chamber?
JanValentine00
Feb 11 2007, 05:41 AM
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1. Voldemort's Soul in his body
2. Tom's Diary
3. Slytherin's Ring
4. Slytherin's Locket
5. Hufflepuff's Cup
6. Nagini
7. Something at Luna's House
-7 explanation:
In OOTP Luna says something about her mother dying during an experiment. I believe that she was experimenting on The Ravenclaw object horcrux. Two things lead me to this conclusion: JKR wouldn't have had Luna make the comment if it wouldn't have some importance almost nothing that any of the characters say is just matter of factish... and two, the experiment killed her and that lead me to think that it has a similar curse on it that the Ring had. (Dumbledore said if it wasn't for him being such a powerful wizard and Snape's immediate help the ring would have killed him)
A while back I made my post about what I thought was the 7 Horcruxes. I was just wondering if anybody else had any thoughts on the Ravenclaw (if it is an object of Ravenclaw) object being in Luna's possession?
pumpkinjuice
Feb 11 2007, 05:09 PM
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In OOTP Luna says something about her mother dying during an experiment. I believe that she was experimenting on The Ravenclaw object horcrux. Two things lead me to this conclusion: JKR wouldn't have had Luna make the comment if it wouldn't have some importance almost nothing that any of the characters say is just matter of factish... and two, the experiment killed her and that lead me to think that it has a similar curse on it that the Ring had. (Dumbledore said if it wasn't for him being such a powerful wizard and Snape's immediate help the ring would have killed him)
A while back I made my post about what I thought was the 7 Horcruxes. I was just wondering if anybody else had any thoughts on the Ravenclaw (if it is an object of Ravenclaw) object being in Luna's possession?
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I do think Luna's comment is unlikely to have been a throw-away line, it's so odd....the idea of a Ravenclaw object being in the Lovegoods' possession is enticing. The experiment that killed her mother did so when Luna was 9, so it was around 1990. Does anyone have the timeline handy regarding when DD's search for the horcruxes got underway in earnest? I wonder if there is any connection between her mom's death and DD's search intensifying....but he doesnt seem to have had any concrete ideas about a particular Ravenclaw object. I just wonder, tho, if Luna might have offered information if she knew the object was a Ravenclaw thing? Perhaps none of them knew it, tho.
Madmoiselle Lilly
Feb 12 2007, 12:42 AM
I don't really get the whole theory about Luna having a horcrux. If it's so important that an obvious Ravenclaw has it - why her? It could be any of them. It could be Cho! Sorry, but I just don't get that whole theory.
Here is my list:
1.Locket
2.Cup
3.Something of Ravenclaw's
4.Something of Gryffindor's
5.Nagini
6.Harry
7.Voldy's soul that actually dwells in his body
Just to explain the whole Harry part, I'm not sure what I think about him being a horcrux but I thought I'd include him anyway. If he's not one, then to be honest, I'm not sure what would fill that place!
JanValentine00
Feb 12 2007, 03:49 AM
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I don't really get the whole theory about Luna having a horcrux. If it's so important that an obvious Ravenclaw has it - why her? It could be any of them. It could be Cho! Sorry, but I just don't get that whole theory.
Well, of the Ravenclaws, the only ones we really know about (and that have been developed at all) are Cho and Luna. Cho was developed for the purpose of Harry feelings towards girls as he goes through puberty and her connection to Cedric. But Luna... why develop her? She has become a fairly important character for no particular reason. Other than the main characters J.K.R. has only developed characters of significant importance, (ex's. Neville: other boy prophecy applies to, Lupin: James' friend, Order member, probably closest remaining to father figure for Harry, etc.) so this leads me to the conclusion that Luna is going to have to do something significant and having one of Voldemort's horcruxes would definitely meet the qualification.
~J.V.
dan
Feb 12 2007, 03:27 PM
Ive never realised the significance that the line about Luna's mother could have. JKR usually places things in for a reason. Whether the reason for this particular line is important or not, we will have to see. It fits in nicely with 'something from ravenclaw.' Was it fate that Harry and Luna became friends or was it Dumbledore placing her in Harry's path? She may be able to help Harry more in the seventh book. Although for me, the sixth horcrux has to be Harry's scar.
missmugglebethany
Feb 13 2007, 12:36 AM
Madmoiselle Lilly I agree with you on the luna thing, I dont think she has one. but i need you to clarify something in your list here
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Here is my list:
1.Locket
2.Cup
3.Something of Ravenclaw's
4.Something of Gryffindor's
5.Nagini
6.Harry
7.Voldy's soul that actually dwells in his body
You've left out the diary, is this on purpose? if so i would like to hear your reasoning for it.
pumpkinjuice
Feb 13 2007, 03:41 PM
Another little detail just occurred to me on the Luna theory, wondered what others might think:
Luna delivers one of the DD-notes to Harry to summon him to one of their lessons. It is the lesson where DD upbraids Harry for not trying hard enough to get Slughorn's memory. As she rummages in her bag for the note, Luna empties lots of odd items from her bag, the gurdy-root, a toadstool, and something like cat litter. She leaves the gurdy-root with Ron. This note-delivery is much much more elaborate than any other note-delivery we see, if I recall correctly. Is that because our attention is being called to Luna's presence? Was Luna selected for the delivery deliberately? What else might be gleaned by looking at the note-deliveries in terms of who brought what note? The note-delivery system has always struck me as odd--how did just these kids wind up being DD's messengers?
Anyway, in the lesson in question, Harry gets to see the Hepzibah Smith scene from Hokey's memory, and the LV applies-for-a-job memory from DD's memory. The objects introduced in the Smith memory are the Hufflepuff cup and the locket. We know the locket is unlikely to be in the Lovegood's possession, but could the cup have somehow fallen into their possession? This would fly in the face of the Ravenclaw connection, of course, but so what?
Or, what is more likely, Luna delivers the note that yields knowledge of two horcrux objects in order to seed the reader's mind with a possible connection between Luna's family and horcruxes in general. Given that Luna shares a piece of family lore--gurdy root is good for fending off gulping plimpies--we are put in mind of her family's experimental folklore. And, interestingly, one of the things Hepzibah says to young Tom in the memory is that the cup is supposed to have all kinds of powers but that she "hasn't tested them thoroughly"--the idea of testing the powers of the cup lines up nicely with the idea of Luna's mom dying in an experiment.
Granted, none of this amounts to proof, but merely narrative association. But that has been a JKR strategy all along.
mexell
Feb 13 2007, 04:58 PM
alright so here is something that someone probably has already said (but i couldnt find it...)
So we all know that you need to commit murder to rip the soul to make a horcrux. So he would have to murder 6 times to create 6 horcruxes. yes, his first murder was indeed his father. but i do not think that he knew exactly how to make or what is a horcrux then. Also, he was wearing his uncles ring (which we think was his 2nd murder). But he was wearing the ring at the time he found out from slughorn about horcruxes... Do the murders need to be fresh? or can horcruxes be made from deaths performed long ago?
So the murders would go like this:
1) Father --- Diary (destroyed)
2) Uncle -- Ring (destroyed)
3) Hepzibah -- Hufflepuffs Cup
4) ??? -- Slytherins Locket (stolen)
5) ??? -- Ravenclaws something
6) ??? -- Nagini
what were the other deaths? could the people who voldemort killed be clues to what the actual horcruxes were? Like he probably killed a slytherin to make slytherins locket and nagini. he probably killed a ravenclaw to make ravenclaws something. any thoughts?
Sirren
Feb 13 2007, 05:31 PM
I am fascinated with the Luna thread you guys have going here. She is insinuated into the storyline more than I previously recognized. She tells Harry of the Thestrals and the voices on the other side of the veil, which, of neither is she scared.
What if the experiment that killed her mother was with the veil? Maybe the powers of the cup are linked to accessing the other side of the veil by a living person?
mexell
Feb 13 2007, 06:17 PM
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What if the experiment that killed her mother was with the veil? Maybe the powers of the cup are linked to accessing the other side of the veil by a living person?
i dont think that the power of the cup is associated with being able to hear or communicate with people on the other side of the viel. Harry heard the voices too remember? i dont think harry has ever come in contact with the cup. it probably has to do with the whole "have to witness death" thing like with the thestrals. it probably isnt with the cup. but luna's mom couldve died in the "experiment" with the cup. maybe in the 7th book luna will out right tell them about the cup but no one will believe her even though it will be the truth...
Sirren
Feb 13 2007, 11:54 PM
Confusion reigns supreme when I get a thought and post, when I should be running out the door to work!
My thoughts were thus: What if the experiment that killed Luna's mother had to do with the cup? What if one of the powers of the cup is to allow someone who drinks from it to pass back and forth at will through the veil? Or, perhaps, to communicate with the deceased?
The loose ends have to tie up in DH and I believe unrelated things will come together to make an amazing pattern of conclusion.
The veil will be in DH, the horocruxes will be in DH...but what if LV unknowingly used an item to BE a horocrux that inherently had powers of which he did not know?
Krissy15
Feb 14 2007, 03:25 AM
I posted something like this in the "Is Harry a Horcrux Thread?" but i will say it again. I trust Dumbledores judgement. Throughout the novels, everything Dumbledore says comes true, everything he believes and all. I trust that Dumbledore is right on the mark when he says what he believes the horcruxes are. And if Dumbledore thought Harry might have been a horcrux, he would have said so. If Dumbledore suspected something else might be a horcrux, he would have said so.
f.lamanna
Feb 14 2007, 04:36 PM
Dumbledore also said he makes mistakes, going back to the OotP when he shows Harry the prophecy and explains why he had decided Harry had not been ready to hear it. If Harry is a horocrux, which I doubt, DD would not tell him until he had exhausted all other options.
Krissy15
Feb 14 2007, 06:23 PM
True. . .but i am still sure that Dumbledore was correct in his guesses. In an interview with JKR inJuly 2005 with Mugglenet and the Leaky Caudron, JKR said:
Dumbledore's guesses about how to kill Voldemort are “never very far wide of the mark.” Harry will need to get rid of four horcruxes, and then “go for Voldemort.” Dumbledore has given Harry “some pretty valuable clues” and Harry "has amassed more knowledge than he realizes."
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2005/0...et-anelli-3.htmI trust him. . .
missmugglebethany
Feb 14 2007, 10:21 PM
Mexell, I think he did create them with the deaths of his dad, and his grandparents thats 3. But i agree, do you have to do 1 death= 1 horcux? Now some of us believe that he made the sixth horcux with bertha or frank's death and thats the death he used to make Nagini a horcux. But that would be interesting to know?
1Death=1Horcrux?
and who the other people are.
question, did he know about the horcruxes when he opened the Chamber of Secrets, and if yes would moaning mrytles death work as a death since he was controlling the basilick?
Harry Ballsonia
Feb 14 2007, 11:32 PM
One was the diary, two was the ring, three was the locket, four the cup of hufflepuff, five the snake Nagini, six something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's, last Voldemort's body itself.
Diggory_05
Feb 15 2007, 01:39 AM
I'm not 100% sure that nobody mentioned this but here I go... Why hasn't anyone thought of Voldemorts wand as a horcrux? I know if Harry had to destroy it before he could kill voldemort it wouldn't make for an exciting ending... or would it? Not all magic is done by wand... So maybe Voldemorts wand is a horcrux and we'll get to see how great of a wizard he really is by fighting harry without it... Tell me what ya'll think?
daz
Feb 15 2007, 09:15 AM
What about the music box at the OotP head quarters be a horcrux it affected everyone but Ginny managed to close it. Could this be because she would in the back of her mind recognise the affect of being possessed because she was possessed by Tom Riddle (Diary) in the CoS. Could this be Ravenclaw's object.
pumpkinjuice
Feb 15 2007, 01:15 PM
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What about the music box at the OotP head quarters be a horcrux it affected everyone but Ginny managed to close it. Could this be because she would in the back of her mind recognise the affect of being possessed because she was possessed by Tom Riddle (Diary) in the CoS. Could this be Ravenclaw's object.
That's interesting, I hadnt considered that. I guess we're so caught up with the locket being there, that the unnamed horcrux being there has slipped notice. The music box having debilitating effects makes it an intriguing possibility. If Kreacher "rescued" it along with the Locket, that would strongly suggest its significance.
I wonder if the music in particular bears any significance aside from its effects. Is there any particular association between Ravenclaw or Gryffendor and music? I dont recall any association between music and any of LV's victims. DD liked music, but I dont know if that matters here.
mexell
Feb 15 2007, 05:37 PM
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Mexell, I think he did create them with the deaths of his dad, and his grandparents thats 3. But i agree, do you have to do 1 death= 1 horcux? Now some of us believe that he made the sixth horcux with bertha or frank's death and thats the death he used to make Nagini a horcux. But that would be interesting to know?
1Death=1Horcrux?
and who the other people are.
question, did he know about the horcruxes when he opened the Chamber of Secrets, and if yes would moaning mrytles death work as a death since he was controlling the basilick?
i think that 1 death = 1 horcrux is true missmugglebethany. i just want to know if they have to be fresh. like you have to kill them, then turn around and do the horcrux spell right then and there. like its a pair. or can you kill someone, then wait a year and create a horcrux with that death?
i think that he did know about horcruxes before he knew how to open the chamber of secrets. the memory of tom was there to open the chamber again after all...
also, it seems to me that voldy had 2 horcruxes before he even left hogwarts: the diary and the ring.
like i said before i think that the people that voldy killed to make a horcrux has alot to do with what the actuall horcrux is. we are to believe that voldy was going to use harrys dad, james, to make a horcrux. James was in griffondor. i think that the despute between ravenclaw/griffondor horcrux is solved. it is something of griffondors because james was in griffondor.watch this:
diary -- father (i believe the diary belonged to his father)
slytherin ring -- uncle (the ring was salazaars, and voldys uncle was a decendent)
slytherin locket -- ???? (i bet the person voldy killed had to do something with slytherin)
hufflepuff cup -- hepzibah (she was a hufflepuff was she not?)
Nagini -- ???? (again, i bet the person voldy killed had to do something with slytherin)
Griffondor something -- james (he was in griffondor)
voldy picked only important deaths. and i think a factor in voldy deciding an important death was that the victim had to have something in common with the object. that leads me to believe that there are only
5 horcruxes before his fall, and that voldy was going to make the griffondor artifact a horcrux with james' death, but he failed because of harry.
now that he is back in force, he could have created another one because he wanted the magical 7 pieces of soul. and i think that he couldve made his wand a horcrux. who did he kill to do that one? i dont know. and then that brings up my original question.
did he use a fresh kill or an old kill?do the kills have to be fresh? the answer would clear up alot...
Horcrux Number Seven
Feb 16 2007, 03:53 AM
I poked around but didn't find anything like this. Did anyone think that maybe the giant squid in the lake is a horcrux? Wouldn't that be something?
Madmoiselle Lilly
Feb 16 2007, 12:29 PM
Honestly, I can't see the giant squid in the black lake being a horcrux. I don't think that Voldomort would have seen it important enough to keep a piece of his soul. Unless there is a surprising story twist that twists toward the giant squid, I can't see it being a horcrux.
pumpkinjuice
Feb 16 2007, 02:49 PM
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Honestly, I can't see the giant squid in the black lake being a horcrux. I don't think that Voldomort would have seen it important enough to keep a piece of his soul. Unless there is a surprising story twist that twists toward the giant squid, I can't see it being a horcrux.
I have to say, my first gut reaction was also, no no no. But then I paused and gave it some thought:
Ever since the cave scene, when Harry says "Accio Horcrux" and the BOAT in the middle of the LAKE comes up, I have wondered if that were some magical hint at something about a horcrux in a lake, perhaps the lake at Hogwarts that figures so significantly.
Giant Squids are, I think, in real life elusive creatures, and are at least according to the lexicon bestiary "the largest invertebrates known to muggle science". Its spectacular proportions and elusiveness (the first pictures of live giant squid, according to the Wiki, were taken in 2004) suggest it as something perhaps of interest to someone like LV, and its elusiveness makes it like the horcruxes in a general sense.
The fact that the giant squid of Hogwarts lake is friendly and docile suggests some kind of original tie to a human--a founder? a descendent of a founder? Hagrid? hard to say....
All that being said, it still would strike me as odd if LV put his horcrux in two living objects (assuming Nagini was his fall-back from failing, or thinking he failed, with whatever he was going to horcrux with Harry). However, the lake responding to the Accio Horcrux charm suggests that maybe the squid could lead Harry to the location of another horcrux down in the lake. Did LV put one there on his 'job interview' visit? It is interesting that Slytherin common room is under the lake. Chances are there are access points to the lake through some passage down there. I cannot imagine any other reason to put them there, aside from the water symbolism (which someone wrote up in a nice post in another thread--each house is associated with an element). I think the similarity of the bowl in the cave to the pensieve suggests Hogwarts, as does the fact that one mature and one immature wizard can ride in the little boat--the immature wizards of Hogwarts (first years) take the boat to school. Plus the parceltongue protection in one of the cave access points is reminiscent of the CoS. Finally, DD is buried by the lake. Why did he request that? Dunno. But our attention keeps getting called there. I don't think Harry's stroll alongside the lake after the funeral will have been for naught.
Horcrux Number Seven
Feb 16 2007, 03:50 PM
Thank you, Pumpkinjuice. The squid being a horcrux seems as likely as anything else.

Besides, why does she keep mentioning the squid if it means nothing?
mexell
Feb 16 2007, 11:05 PM
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Honestly, I can't see the giant squid in the black lake being a horcrux. I don't think that Voldomort would have seen it important enough to keep a piece of his soul. Unless there is a surprising story twist that twists toward the giant squid, I can't see it being a horcrux
any theory is as possible as the next. that is the great thing about theories!!

do i think that the squid will be a locket... probably not for this one reason : didnt DD say that voldy made nagini a horcrux as a last resort? i dont think that voldy liked the idea of having living things as horcruxes... especially if he considers them a last resort. interesting thought though! i admit i would have never thought of it haha
where in the books are squids mentioned? i mustve missed that part haha...
Horcrux Number Seven
Feb 16 2007, 11:20 PM
The giant squid in the lake is mentioned several times throughout the series. One mention I can think of is in GOF when someone thinks the squid pushed Dennis Creavey back into the boat.
Sirius' Mirror
Feb 17 2007, 03:16 AM
First off, yes I know that I'm a newbie at posting. I'm just as big a HP fan as anybody so don't discount my argument!
Ok so in response to something that hit me while I was reading the summary (which was excellent by the way!)... Dumbledore can see traces of magic, or feel them or something. I don't think, then, that anything in Hogwarts could be a Horocrux. He would have been able to see the traces of magic that was used in creating it! Dumbledore even says he can recognize Voldemort's style.
Now I know some people will say he didn't know about Horocruxes in the first 5 books, but i hte 6th he went on a pretty huge quest to find them. Given his suspisions about the four Hogwarts, I imagine that he looked inside the school.
So for the suspicions about the trophy and Gryfindor's sword being potential Horocruxes, I believe that Dumbledore would have inspected them already, and come to the conclusion that they were not Horocruxes.
Also, considering that the title is The Deathly Hallows, I believe that the hallows are somehow involved. For those who don't know the Hallows were 4 relics used in Arthurian legend mostly Grail legend. The hallows were a chalice, a sword, a pendant, and a spear. this points to the four founders relics. We know that Hufflepuff's relic was a cup (chalice), Gryfindor's a sword, Slytherin's a locket (pendant), so why not have Ravenclaw's wand (spear) as the missing relic?
marianita13
Feb 17 2007, 04:32 AM
siruses mirror has a very good point with the hollows thing i had kno idea wat the hallows were i thought it was a place

well anyways heres one idea for a horcrux it might be half baked but....
wat if harrys scar is one?
heres the evidence...
- we all kno that u need to kill someone to make one well the night harry got the scar...his parents were killed
- we kno that only a terrible curse could leave a mark like that, well didnt we here horcruxes were terrible?
- voldemort disapeared after the spell backfired then night harrys parents died but we dont kno how long after
tell me if its a crazy idea or not
annahreventilebrooks
Feb 17 2007, 05:04 AM
I must be insane to be posting this strange idea.
What if Mrs. Smith ( remember the chapter "Voldemort's Request" in the 6th book) had more then two founder-owned items?
I do think that the post on page 30 about hallows is amazing! But come to think of it why does Voldemort want to kill Mrs. Smith in about 2 days making him hyghly suspect... it would make sense if Mrs. Smith had more. Implieing the part where she says her finest , but what does she count as her finest? Slytherin's and Hufflepuffs, she might have hated Gryffindor and Ravenclaw but still had some items.
pumpkinjuice
Feb 17 2007, 01:20 PM
Maybe the armor, which Tom had been sent to buy from Mrs Smith, was a Gryffendor or Ravenclaw relic. Somewhere back in this thread folks were conjecturing about Gryffendor having perhaps a shield to go with his sword, a natural fit in a knightly outfit. Well, wouldnt some armor also fit the ensemble? Since DD uses the phrase "only known relic" that opens up in our minds the idea that there is an unknown relic, perhaps unknown to Hepzibah herself. When Tom went to kill her, he had all the time in the world to poke around sensing the magic of founders' objects. He might already have suspected, as a result of his job and boss, that the armor was more than Hepzibah realized.
And we've had the coats of armor come up in several places in the books, drawing our attention to them. Seems possible. And the armor is something Harry already knows about via the pensieve memory.
malfoy-luver-4-lyf
Feb 17 2007, 03:23 PM
QUOTE(Harry Potter Fan @ Sep 4 2006, 02:14 PM) [snapback]222690[/snapback]
I think Harry could be a Horcrux. I mean Dumbledore did say that Voldemort transfered some of his powers to him the night he killed Lily and James Potter. I hope I am wrong, it would be such a shame to see Harry Die.

But the prophecy said that "One must die at the hand of the other, for neither can live while the other survives."(Or Something like that) So if harry is a horcrux then LV will live. Harry would have to kill hiself as to destroy the horcrux, so he wouldent be able to kill LV.
Sorry i Know this post is from a while back and this may have already been said
Horcrux Number Seven
Feb 17 2007, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(pumpkinjuice @ Feb 17 2007, 06:20 AM) [snapback]327220[/snapback]
Maybe the armor, which Tom had been sent to buy from Mrs Smith, was a Gryffendor or Ravenclaw relic. Somewhere back in this thread folks were conjecturing about Gryffendor having perhaps a shield to go with his sword, a natural fit in a knightly outfit. Well, wouldnt some armor also fit the ensemble? Since DD uses the phrase "only known relic" that opens up in our minds the idea that there is an unknown relic, perhaps unknown to Hepzibah herself. When Tom went to kill her, he had all the time in the world to poke around sensing the magic of founders' objects. He might already have suspected, as a result of his job and boss, that the armor was more than Hepzibah realized.
And we've had the coats of armor come up in several places in the books, drawing our attention to them. Seems possible. And the armor is something Harry already knows about via the pensieve memory.
That is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time. JK Rowling doesn't waste a word, so whenever she mentions objects, we ought to be paying attention. Someone should go through the books and note all of the various objects and how many times they appear.
alkisti
Feb 18 2007, 09:53 PM
Hey guys! I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but while rereading OotP, i noticed something strange! At a chapter, Harry, Ron and Hermione are throwing away some of the Blacks' belongings. Among these things, there is A HEAVY LOCKET "that noone managed to unlock" as mentioned in the book. Could this be the locket Dumbledore and Harry took from the cave???
sky94
Feb 19 2007, 02:13 AM
While reading What Will Happen in Harry Potter 7? by MuggleNet.com, it syas that Harry is most likely the 7th horcrux.
marianita13
Feb 19 2007, 02:34 AM
wat about my idea on the scar i got no feedback i wanna kno if im crazy or not please someone tell me if im crazy or not!!!!

in my opinion i think its a really good idea...but thats my opinion...i mean! copme on has some already mentioned thids or something! and if it is and harry needs to destroy it they do scar removing surgeries.
pumpkinjuice
Feb 19 2007, 03:55 AM
marianita, folks have indeed conjectured that the scar could be a horcrux--search the thread and you will see several guesses about this.
For me, the attractive idea in the scar being a horcrux as opposed to "Harry" himself is that the scar is sort of dead tissue--it is him, and yet not essentially him. Maybe he can rid himself of it without dying.
On the other hand, DD said that is no ordinary scar and that scars can come in handy. So he seems to construct it as something of a 'good' thing. Maybe the scar being a horcrux IS a good thing somehow, that is conceivable, but it seems DD saw it as something else than a horcrux. Maybe he was wrong.
IslandJo
Feb 19 2007, 06:03 AM
I have replied to this theory before and never had an opinion that would allow me to feel shore about either side of this argument, till now! Something you all have over looked and is now the reason for my assurance is a small statement DD says to Harry at the end of book two “Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled (the sword) out of the hat…” JKR has said that the sorting hat is more significant then we know. This unique yet familiar story has been very clear about its intentions, what is good-evil, right-wrong, and the battle between them. Now Voldy is the heir of Slytherin could not Harry be heir of Gryffindor. I believe he is; I don’t know if DD knew of it or not but JKR has given us a good look at Tom Riddle’s Genealogy but has left Harry’s a big blank. In fact there seems to be threads through out the book that link a lot of the characters by there Genealogy. Yet, Harry’s eyes’ being like his mothers is significant? Things that are past down are clues. Harry has defeated LV before. Wood it be a true triumph for him to loose in the end. No, Harry is not the last horcrux! DD may have had a plan to stop LV that fate full night, but LV surely was not expecting anything to happen he couldn’t handle BY HIM SELF, there were no deatheaters present.
rebicka
Feb 19 2007, 07:51 AM
Harry could be heir of Gryffindor. we don`t know much about Harry`s heritage.
I think that one horcrux is in Hogwarts. DD said that he made Nagini a horcrux after death of Harry`s parents. So I thought that Nagini (if NAgini is a horcrux) maybe isn`t last horcrux LV made. I think that he found something of ravenclaw in hogwarts in Harry`s first year when "LV was professor Quirrell". he had plenty of time for searching. We saw he was wander around the castle at night and he didnt searching for PS whole year. because he knew where PS is - didn`t all teachers knew???so, he was only waiting for the moment when DD isn there??? Maybe he was searching for something and then when he found it, he went for Philosopher stone.
rachel_1989
Feb 19 2007, 01:00 PM
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Harry could be heir of Gryffindor. we don`t know much about Harry`s heritage.
JKR has already stated somewhere that Harry is not the heirof Gryffindor and that the story is not going to end up being Gryffindor vs Slytherin Version 2.
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I think that one horcrux is in Hogwarts. DD said that he made Nagini a horcrux after death of Harry`s parents. So I thought that Nagini (if NAgini is a horcrux) maybe isn`t last horcrux LV made. I think that he found something of ravenclaw in hogwarts in Harry`s first year when "LV was professor Quirrell". he had plenty of time for searching. We saw he was wander around the castle at night and he didnt searching for PS whole year. because he knew where PS is - didn`t all teachers knew???so, he was only waiting for the moment when DD isn there??? Maybe he was searching for something and then when he found it, he went for Philosopher stone.
If Voldemort had made Nagini his sixth horcrux (and so the container for the seventh piece of his soul) then he most likely wouldn't have created another horcrux as this would have messed up his belief that having his soul in seven pieces would make him immortal by splitting it again and having it eight pieces.
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