one of horcruxes is rawenclaws wand
so olivander is hiding from woldemort becouse woldemort wanted that special wand to complite his colection of faunder things its rawenclaws wand so he didnt hide it he gawe it to nevill its nevils new wand
one of horcruxes is rawenclaws wand
so olivander is hiding from woldemort becouse woldemort wanted that special wand to complite his colection of faunder things its rawenclaws wand so he didnt hide it he gawe it to nevill its nevils new wand
one of horcruxes is rawenclaws wand
so olivander is hiding from woldemort becouse woldemort wanted that special wand to complite his colection of faunder things its rawenclaws wand so he didnt hide it he gawe it to nevill its nevils new wand
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Hmm....RAB as a transfigured object. I like that, because transfiguration has not played in really since the tri-wizard swimming challenge.
There are two possibilities about the wand:
1. LV had already found it and horcruxed it, and it sat protected in the shop of an ancient family of wandmakers, hiding in plain sight.
2. LV had never found it, and it sat in the shop innocently as an enticement to shoppers.
In either case, there are two possibilities:
a. Ollivander disappeared with the wand/horcrux and is now on his own or with one of the two sides in the war.
b. Ollivander disappeared after disposing of the wand/horcrux and is now on his own or with one of the two sides in the war.
I really doubt that Neville breaking his wand and getting a new one was a throw-away detail. So it really is intriguing that Neville might have gotten that wand. Especially since Neville had never been to Ollivanders before. Neville was using an inherited wand.
In fact, let's think about that--Ollivander quietly closes up shop after supplying the first-year students at Hogwarts with their wands, and replacing Neville.
Would it, perhaps, have disturbed him for Neville to be chosen by the wand in the window? Did he have to take flight because of the consequences of selling that wand?
Was he frightened by the wand choosing Neville?
Hmmm....
There are two possibilities about the wand:
1. LV had already found it and horcruxed it, and it sat protected in the shop of an ancient family of wandmakers, hiding in plain sight.
2. LV had never found it, and it sat in the shop innocently as an enticement to shoppers.
In either case, there are two possibilities:
a. Ollivander disappeared with the wand/horcrux and is now on his own or with one of the two sides in the war.
b. Ollivander disappeared after disposing of the wand/horcrux and is now on his own or with one of the two sides in the war.
I really doubt that Neville breaking his wand and getting a new one was a throw-away detail. So it really is intriguing that Neville might have gotten that wand. Especially since Neville had never been to Ollivanders before. Neville was using an inherited wand.
In fact, let's think about that--Ollivander quietly closes up shop after supplying the first-year students at Hogwarts with their wands, and replacing Neville.
Would it, perhaps, have disturbed him for Neville to be chosen by the wand in the window? Did he have to take flight because of the consequences of selling that wand?
Was he frightened by the wand choosing Neville?
Hmmm....
What are the chances that Ollivander knew enough about the first part of the prophecy to know that Neville could have been the chosen one?
Why in the world would Neville be the only teenager to get his wand broken? Well, because he could certainly now have Ravenclaw's wand. That is awesome.
Look at the parallel too: Harry had his broomstick broken by the Whomping Willow and got a FIREBOLT as a replacement; Neville gets his wand broken defending Harry and gets Ravenclaw's wand to hide it.
They both lost something dear to them and got the top of the line as a replacement.
Interesting parallel.
Why in the world would Neville be the only teenager to get his wand broken? Well, because he could certainly now have Ravenclaw's wand. That is awesome.
Look at the parallel too: Harry had his broomstick broken by the Whomping Willow and got a FIREBOLT as a replacement; Neville gets his wand broken defending Harry and gets Ravenclaw's wand to hide it.
They both lost something dear to them and got the top of the line as a replacement.
Interesting parallel.
ooh, I like that parallel with the Firebolt!
I dont think Ollivander had to know anything about the prophesy to be disturbed that some young wizard had been selected by the window-wand. He would have known Neville's parents to be great aurors, and would remember whatever was the case about Neville's dad's wand. I was just saying that Ollivander might be worried about what it would mean for that wand in particular to choose anyone. Do you think he in fact may have known about the prophecy?
Here's a little twist combining the last two ideas: Regulus is transfigured in the wand? Neville's family does appear on the Black tree, does it not? As a legitimate pureblood marriage, right next to one that was not and was burned off. The wand chose a pureblood with ties to the Black line.
Gran Longbottom absolutely fascinates me. I think there may be more to her than meets the eye, too. Her carriage is absolutely regal.
I dont think Ollivander had to know anything about the prophesy to be disturbed that some young wizard had been selected by the window-wand. He would have known Neville's parents to be great aurors, and would remember whatever was the case about Neville's dad's wand. I was just saying that Ollivander might be worried about what it would mean for that wand in particular to choose anyone. Do you think he in fact may have known about the prophecy?
Here's a little twist combining the last two ideas: Regulus is transfigured in the wand? Neville's family does appear on the Black tree, does it not? As a legitimate pureblood marriage, right next to one that was not and was burned off. The wand chose a pureblood with ties to the Black line.
Gran Longbottom absolutely fascinates me. I think there may be more to her than meets the eye, too. Her carriage is absolutely regal.
I have to conclude that the portion of the prophecy Snape conveyed to Voldemort was no secret. The Order is trying to protect the prophecy in the DoM all through book 5, so the first half must be public knowledge, not for everyone mind you, but important players.
So, the moment Harry leaves the wand shop Ollivander contacts Dumbledore to tell him Harry is the owner of the second wand with the feathers from Fawkes???? Ollivander flat tells Harry Voldemort has done amazing things, terrible, but amazing using the other wand. Harry has no idea what the man is blabbing about at the time.
So, Ollivander certainly is in a position to know the first part of the prophecy and could have concluded on his own by the birth of the pureblood Neville, that it could also have meant him.
Yes, Neville's gran is regal. That certainly could tie into play. I believe Neville has much to offer in the last book, not the least of which is realizing his full potential as a wizard. If Harry has taught Neville one thing, it is to trust in himself. Only Lupin tried to help Neville with that, too. Neville will get there, he's already fast on his way. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if his new wand was Rowena's?
So, the moment Harry leaves the wand shop Ollivander contacts Dumbledore to tell him Harry is the owner of the second wand with the feathers from Fawkes???? Ollivander flat tells Harry Voldemort has done amazing things, terrible, but amazing using the other wand. Harry has no idea what the man is blabbing about at the time.
So, Ollivander certainly is in a position to know the first part of the prophecy and could have concluded on his own by the birth of the pureblood Neville, that it could also have meant him.
Yes, Neville's gran is regal. That certainly could tie into play. I believe Neville has much to offer in the last book, not the least of which is realizing his full potential as a wizard. If Harry has taught Neville one thing, it is to trust in himself. Only Lupin tried to help Neville with that, too. Neville will get there, he's already fast on his way. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if his new wand was Rowena's?
How do we know that once a wizard is done with a wand it goes right back into circulation to be bought by another wizard? doesn't the wand choose the wizard? doesn't ollivander only sell wands he made? did he make Ravenclaw's wand? where the heck did he get it? if so where are the other wnads of the founders? what's to stop Voldemort from getting those wands too? why Rowena Raenclaw's? Shouldn't the wand die with the wizard? well not die but not belong to another living soul? Ollivander is a great wand maker but i just don't see why he would have the wand in the first place and why one wand would be perfect for another person. I don't think the wand is the horcrux, the tiara maybe, especially with the goblin theory but not the wand.
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How do we know that once a wizard is done with a wand it goes right back into circulation to be bought by another wizard? doesn't the wand choose the wizard? doesn't ollivander only sell wands he made? did he make Ravenclaw's wand? where the heck did he get it? if so where are the other wnads of the founders? what's to stop Voldemort from getting those wands too? why Rowena Raenclaw's? Shouldn't the wand die with the wizard? well not die but not belong to another living soul? Ollivander is a great wand maker but i just don't see why he would have the wand in the first place and why one wand would be perfect for another person. I don't think the wand is the horcrux, the tiara maybe, especially with the goblin theory but not the wand.
I guess in the back of my mind is the suspicion that since Ollivander's Wands has been in business since 382 B.C., he would be well-positioned to have bequeathed to him or otherwise acquire wands of historic value. We know that since Neville had his dad's wand, wands do get passed down in families. Someone in the Ravenclaw line could have given it to him. I think what intrigues people is that it is sitting on a purple (symbol of royalty) cushion in the window, while the rest are in innumerable boxes in the shop.
Way way in the back of my mind is the question of whether there has been any more than one Ollivander. He is without first name, and there is no indication as to where the shop has been since 382 B.C., tho with that date one suspects Egypt with the other ancient magic.
If you include the s in Ollivanders in an anagram, you can get "Sir Love Land"
ok cool so the wand was actually mentioned in the books as being in the window on a cushion? i didn't know that if a wand of significance was mentioned (does it say ravenclaws) but if it was in ollivander's store with significance then i can see that being a plausible theory
I was just rereading the scene where Sirius tells Dung that the goblet is finest 15th century goblin-wrought silver and two thoughts occurred to me:
1. The goblins, who are "anti-wizard at the moment" (we learn in the same section of the book) in part because of getting stiffed by Ludo Bagman, might be placated by a big donation of the silver that they once wrought. Give them the stuff from the Black house that Harry does not want.
2. Right as Sirius tells Dung about the silver, and Dung mutters that the Black crest would come off, the exchange is INTERRUPTED. Interrupted by Fred and George having bewitched the breadboard, "complete with knife", which then goes spilling all over the table, with the knife flying through the air and landing "point down and quivering ominously, exactly where Sirius's right hand had been seconds before".
Q: what is the significance of the knife being described to land right there?
The other association we have between knives and right hands is that Wormtail cuts his own hand off with a knife to contribute to LV's regeneration, and gets a silver one to replace it from LV in return.
Another association with knives is that a knife resembles a spear, which is one of the grail-objects, is it not? Is the knife itself significant?
Another association with right hands is that Lucius is twice described to be to the right of Wormtail in the circle of DEs. Also, it is Harry's right hand that is inscribed by the bewitched quill in Umbridge's office.
Anyhow, it just seems gratuitous to give this description and not have it mean anything. Sirius and Harry laugh over the incident, while Mrs Weasley screams (you know, she screams as much as Mrs Black does.....I dont like that....).
Knife = horcrux?
Knife = Regulus transfigured?
You know, we think DH is going to be all about hunting the horcruxes. And JKR has said that Harry and we have a good indication of that being the task as HBP ends. But there are many other things the book has to do, including giving us all the promised backstory on LV, Snape, DD, Lily. And since when is a new book just a continuation of the last?
What if the hunt for the horcruxes begins but is aborted because it turns out they are ALL in the Black house already?
The locket, the cup, the spear--all there in the ancient and most noble house of Black. Yes, I like that. The house associated with Deatheaters like no other.
1. The goblins, who are "anti-wizard at the moment" (we learn in the same section of the book) in part because of getting stiffed by Ludo Bagman, might be placated by a big donation of the silver that they once wrought. Give them the stuff from the Black house that Harry does not want.
2. Right as Sirius tells Dung about the silver, and Dung mutters that the Black crest would come off, the exchange is INTERRUPTED. Interrupted by Fred and George having bewitched the breadboard, "complete with knife", which then goes spilling all over the table, with the knife flying through the air and landing "point down and quivering ominously, exactly where Sirius's right hand had been seconds before".
Q: what is the significance of the knife being described to land right there?
The other association we have between knives and right hands is that Wormtail cuts his own hand off with a knife to contribute to LV's regeneration, and gets a silver one to replace it from LV in return.
Another association with knives is that a knife resembles a spear, which is one of the grail-objects, is it not? Is the knife itself significant?
Another association with right hands is that Lucius is twice described to be to the right of Wormtail in the circle of DEs. Also, it is Harry's right hand that is inscribed by the bewitched quill in Umbridge's office.
Anyhow, it just seems gratuitous to give this description and not have it mean anything. Sirius and Harry laugh over the incident, while Mrs Weasley screams (you know, she screams as much as Mrs Black does.....I dont like that....).
Knife = horcrux?
Knife = Regulus transfigured?
You know, we think DH is going to be all about hunting the horcruxes. And JKR has said that Harry and we have a good indication of that being the task as HBP ends. But there are many other things the book has to do, including giving us all the promised backstory on LV, Snape, DD, Lily. And since when is a new book just a continuation of the last?
What if the hunt for the horcruxes begins but is aborted because it turns out they are ALL in the Black house already?
The locket, the cup, the spear--all there in the ancient and most noble house of Black. Yes, I like that. The house associated with Deatheaters like no other.
You know, pumpkinjuice, I just reread a line that offered proof the Ancient and Most Noble House of Black had always been the home of the Blacks. Generations have lived there. So, Sirius and Regulus must be among the most revered of the Blacks, because that house falls to the males in the line. Not that one family member is necessarily better than another, but that house has flowed through Blacks through the male lineage only.
And now it belongs to Mr. Harry Potter. The godson of the last Black. Nice!
Yes, I think Regulus might have indeed have found more than one, maybe all but Nagini?
I need to direct your attention back to the Black House away from the knife that flew from the bread: the kids looked into a glass cabinet next to the fireplace filled with daggers.....
You might be right, but I don't think it is the knife on the table.
Remember?
And now it belongs to Mr. Harry Potter. The godson of the last Black. Nice!
Yes, I think Regulus might have indeed have found more than one, maybe all but Nagini?
I need to direct your attention back to the Black House away from the knife that flew from the bread: the kids looked into a glass cabinet next to the fireplace filled with daggers.....
You might be right, but I don't think it is the knife on the table.
Remember?
I am currently re-reading OotP at the moment, and there are a lot of interesting things in the house being described.
Known horcruxes:
-Locket
-Ring
-Cup
-Journal
Other things
-Voldemort himself
-Nagini
-Journal
In the house of blacks, we are introduced to those things. We are introduced to a locket (which everyone thinks is a horcrux, which it probably is), a ring of the Blacks that Kreacher was trying to save, and a silver cup in the house which mundungus later tries to sell. I am not saying these things are the horcruxes, because i don't think they are, but we are introduced to each of these items at the house which later we learn are horcrux items. There are a lot of snake-like references in the house, maybe pointing to Nagini. Voldemort is also mentioned in this chapter; he is not a horcrux but he has a soul which must be destroyed as well. We are not mentioned a diary-i don't think, i am going back to re-read the chapter. However, there are a fair share of book references. Does anyone follow me? Maybe an item that Voldemort turned into a horcrux is mentioned in the house-not the actual horcrux, but an item that he turns into one. Does anyone follow? I may sound confusing.
Known horcruxes:
-Locket
-Ring
-Cup
-Journal
Other things
-Voldemort himself
-Nagini
-Journal
In the house of blacks, we are introduced to those things. We are introduced to a locket (which everyone thinks is a horcrux, which it probably is), a ring of the Blacks that Kreacher was trying to save, and a silver cup in the house which mundungus later tries to sell. I am not saying these things are the horcruxes, because i don't think they are, but we are introduced to each of these items at the house which later we learn are horcrux items. There are a lot of snake-like references in the house, maybe pointing to Nagini. Voldemort is also mentioned in this chapter; he is not a horcrux but he has a soul which must be destroyed as well. We are not mentioned a diary-i don't think, i am going back to re-read the chapter. However, there are a fair share of book references. Does anyone follow me? Maybe an item that Voldemort turned into a horcrux is mentioned in the house-not the actual horcrux, but an item that he turns into one. Does anyone follow? I may sound confusing.
I get your point. I had been conjecturing that these items are in fact the horcruxes and have already been collected for Harry. But you are suggesting that they are just textual allusions, and that other items may be similar allusions, indicating what the rest of the horcruxes might be, right?
That fits with what I was wondering about the knife that nearly impales Sirius's right hand--if the horcruxes follow the Grail legend, we need a spear. Some have said a spear might be a wand. But on your model, the spear might be a knife of some kind. The Black house as visual clue to what the horcruxes are.
I'm still more inclined to think the house may actually contain the real horcruxes, and not just allusions to them. There is too much to be accomplished in DH for Harry to spend an eternity looking for the darned things. But I admit this is just a hunch, and a desire to hear alot more about DD's past, Lily, Snape, etc!
I cannot let go of the fact that there is a serpent-shaped knocker on the door of the Black house. We see a snakeskin nailed to the door of the Gaunt house. That image is too powerful coincidental to be utterly meaningless. In the Gaunt house it more or less meant "parseltongue spoken here" I think. That's why I think Harry may need to speak parseltongue in the Black house--the door nearly demands it.
Hey, that reinforces my suggestion a couple weeks ago that he do just that--but now it may be for the purposes of the horcruxes--which belong to someone who speaks parseltongue--reacting to him. Yes, yesssss.......
But if the objects are not themselves there, but only symbolized there as you suggest, does the house hold some clue as to their whereabouts? What do you think?
That fits with what I was wondering about the knife that nearly impales Sirius's right hand--if the horcruxes follow the Grail legend, we need a spear. Some have said a spear might be a wand. But on your model, the spear might be a knife of some kind. The Black house as visual clue to what the horcruxes are.
I'm still more inclined to think the house may actually contain the real horcruxes, and not just allusions to them. There is too much to be accomplished in DH for Harry to spend an eternity looking for the darned things. But I admit this is just a hunch, and a desire to hear alot more about DD's past, Lily, Snape, etc!
I cannot let go of the fact that there is a serpent-shaped knocker on the door of the Black house. We see a snakeskin nailed to the door of the Gaunt house. That image is too powerful coincidental to be utterly meaningless. In the Gaunt house it more or less meant "parseltongue spoken here" I think. That's why I think Harry may need to speak parseltongue in the Black house--the door nearly demands it.
Hey, that reinforces my suggestion a couple weeks ago that he do just that--but now it may be for the purposes of the horcruxes--which belong to someone who speaks parseltongue--reacting to him. Yes, yesssss.......
But if the objects are not themselves there, but only symbolized there as you suggest, does the house hold some clue as to their whereabouts? What do you think?
Well, if R.A.B. is Regulus, then the house definately holds a clue to the horcruxes. I think that another horcrux could definately have been allusioned to in the book. You may have something with that spear theory, it sounds interesting. . .
Hey, a thought just occured to me. I trust Dumbledore and probably think that the other horcrux is a relic of Gryffindors or Ravenclaws, but if it isn't, could it be his head boy badge? We know he loved demonstrating power/leadership, a badge of his to prove this could be of importance. . .plus it also connects to Hogwarts, and we know Hogwarts was important to him. . .also, a ther prefect badges were mentioned in the Black House when they arrived for Hermione/Ron, this could also fit in with the allusion theory. . .just a suggestion.
Hey, a thought just occured to me. I trust Dumbledore and probably think that the other horcrux is a relic of Gryffindors or Ravenclaws, but if it isn't, could it be his head boy badge? We know he loved demonstrating power/leadership, a badge of his to prove this could be of importance. . .plus it also connects to Hogwarts, and we know Hogwarts was important to him. . .also, a ther prefect badges were mentioned in the Black House when they arrived for Hermione/Ron, this could also fit in with the allusion theory. . .just a suggestion.
i know i havent been in this discussion and i might be interfering and i apologize for that but i dont think it would be something as simple as a badge........i was thinking maybe the goblet that dung had. it was briefly yet mysteriously introduced.....idk just a thought. :)
If you read back in this and the RAB thread, you'll find a lot about that goblet that Dung had. I think it is a good pick. And something just occurred to me--Hepzibah says that Hufflepuff's cup had powers that she herself had not fully discovered. Did LV, once he stole it? Could he? Would the cup retain some kind of power after horcruxing that might be somehow significant?
Anyhow, on another thread someone had suggested that the horcruxes might all be protected in ways such that their means of acquisition/destruction sybolizes the horcrux itself. So, taking off on that idea:
1. DD had to sacrifice his hand to destroy the ring, and you wear a ring on a hand.
2. The locket was in a basin that required drinking a poison with a cup. One of the horcruxes is a cup. [someone suggested that this spot might have actually held the cup horcrux, and Regulus was playing with LV by putting a fake locket in there....that's an interesting idea].
3. Now, a locket is ordinarily worn on a chain around the neck. That would suggest that to destroy it, you need to be wearing it around your neck, against, say, your chest.
Snape hits DD square in the chest with the AK. What if DD did have the real horcrux on him that night, and the whole trip to the cave was a tutorial for Harry? Snape could win Harry's trust perhaps by telling him just this, and showing him the destroyed horcrux. If the locket at Grimauld is gone, that would back up this theory.
Anyhow, on another thread someone had suggested that the horcruxes might all be protected in ways such that their means of acquisition/destruction sybolizes the horcrux itself. So, taking off on that idea:
1. DD had to sacrifice his hand to destroy the ring, and you wear a ring on a hand.
2. The locket was in a basin that required drinking a poison with a cup. One of the horcruxes is a cup. [someone suggested that this spot might have actually held the cup horcrux, and Regulus was playing with LV by putting a fake locket in there....that's an interesting idea].
3. Now, a locket is ordinarily worn on a chain around the neck. That would suggest that to destroy it, you need to be wearing it around your neck, against, say, your chest.
Snape hits DD square in the chest with the AK. What if DD did have the real horcrux on him that night, and the whole trip to the cave was a tutorial for Harry? Snape could win Harry's trust perhaps by telling him just this, and showing him the destroyed horcrux. If the locket at Grimauld is gone, that would back up this theory.
Hi evry1,
This is a really crazy theory but what if the philosephers stone is a horcrux. I mean, it was obvious in ps that voldemort was dieing to get his hands on the ps, but maybe it was not to make the elixer of life, just to keep a horcrux safe. Maybe Dumbeldore had heard in book 1 that voldie was coming back to power, and sent Hagrid to go get the stone so he could keep an eye on it. Besides, he did say he trusted Hagrid with his life. Also, at the end of book 1, dumbledore destroys it really quickly, possibly knowing that it is a horcrux. Tell me what you think, and if you think this is too much of a crazy theory.
This is a really crazy theory but what if the philosephers stone is a horcrux. I mean, it was obvious in ps that voldemort was dieing to get his hands on the ps, but maybe it was not to make the elixer of life, just to keep a horcrux safe. Maybe Dumbeldore had heard in book 1 that voldie was coming back to power, and sent Hagrid to go get the stone so he could keep an eye on it. Besides, he did say he trusted Hagrid with his life. Also, at the end of book 1, dumbledore destroys it really quickly, possibly knowing that it is a horcrux. Tell me what you think, and if you think this is too much of a crazy theory.
I don't know about anyone else but l realy, realy hate and would be very disapointed if Harry was the horcruxes, I have a strong feeling it will be some thing of Ravenclaws!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Or maybe the seventh hasn't been made yet?
ok, I know this is going to sound really wierd, but I think it may have something to do with the school motto - draco dormiens numquam titillandus (never tickle a sleeping dragon) . My friend came up with a theory - voldemort has a bond with the school, not the founders (apart from slytherin of course) so why not play on the school motto, have a dragon either guarding or being a horcrux, and to get to it you have to tickle it?? I know it is a very odd theory 
but it is a possibility, JK never does things without a reason, but it could just have been a funny motto. what do you think? 
on another note, I think the horcruxes are:
1. the diary (destroyed)
2. the ring (destroyed
3. the locket (in grimauld place - kreacher hopefully stole it)
4. the cup (zacharias smith? i don't know if smith is a common name for wizards but he could be a lead)
5. Nagini (with voldemort)
6. Ravenclaws wand ( i don't know about the neville thing, but i think the wand is a horcrux)
7. Voldemort himself!
nads
but it is a possibility, JK never does things without a reason, but it could just have been a funny motto. what do you think? on another note, I think the horcruxes are:
1. the diary (destroyed)
2. the ring (destroyed
3. the locket (in grimauld place - kreacher hopefully stole it)
4. the cup (zacharias smith? i don't know if smith is a common name for wizards but he could be a lead)
5. Nagini (with voldemort)
6. Ravenclaws wand ( i don't know about the neville thing, but i think the wand is a horcrux)
7. Voldemort himself!
nads
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ok, I know this is going to sound really wierd, but I think it may have something to do with the school motto - draco dormiens numquam titillandus (never tickle a sleeping dragon) .
INteresting....it's always seemed like the school motto should matter somehow....I like it...
Why would Zacharias Smith know about the cup even if he is related to Hepzibah? Once LV stole it, it would be out of the family line I imagine. Unless Zacharias came to know something about its alleged powers?
I'm really struck, going through the cd of OOTP again, at how much "right at Harry's side" Neville is all through the DoM battle. He refuses to leave Harry's company, refuses to let Harry hand over the prophecy, refuses to give up at any time. Neville is showing extraordinary loyalty for someone Harry just dissed by trying not to let him come along. Interesting....
Morning all,
I have had a good look at the summary of probable Horcruxes and whilst all have pros and cons, I thought I could copy the list provided and try to safely eliminate a few. Feel free to correct me if I have overlooked something.
What Dumbledore thinks is a horcrux: (Dumbledore’s shrewd ideas, usually turn out to be accurate)
Hufflepuff's Goblet - All evidence points to the cup being a Horcrux, DD surmises the murder was for gain and I doubt that it would be coincidence that the Locket and the Cup went missing around the same time as the murder of Hepzibah Smith. Additionally, DD says of the cup; “It belonged to another of Hogwarts’ founders…he could not resist an object so steeped in Hogwarts’ history.”
Nagini - I’m not completely convinced that Nagini is a Horcrux despite DD provided persuasion to the idea that she is. The fact that LV has an “unusual amount of control” over Nagini almost makes me say yes, but as has been argued already, I’m not sure LV would risk the idea of his soul into a living thing.
Popular suggestions:
Harry Potter (or Harry's scar) - Harry’s scar isn’t a Horcrux, we have learnt that it was the mark that the prophecy mentions; “The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal”. Again with Harry, it is the whole living thing as a Horcrux that I’m not convinced by. Plus if Harry is a Horcrux, then if he destroys all the other Horcruxes then he will have to kill himself to kill LV and that doesn’t stick to the prophecy “Neither can live while the other survives”
Gryffindor's Sword - This is dispelled by DD in HBP when he says that it is the only known relic of Gryffindor and that it has been kept quite safe.
Mrs. Weasley's tiara - I hadn’t considered that! I’m really attracted to this idea and think it might be one except for the fact the Mrs Weasley has probably kept it safe. Not that probable.
Hogwarts - I agree with savingharry on this. Alteration of Hogwarts means that as a Horcrux it would be destroyed.
Mirror of Erised - This is another great idea except for the fact of its availability. DD it seems has been keeping the Mirror pretty safe and secure in the school and after he left school, LV only returned to be interviewed for the DADA teaching position. No opportunity to make it a Horcrux.
Tom Riddle's Award for Special Service to the School - As with the Mirror has been kept pretty safe and also we know that LV only performed the murders of his family at school and made the ring into a Horcrux.
The Potters' graves in Godric’s Hollow, Godric Gryffindor's grave or a monument to him in Godric's Hollow, Something else from Godric's Hollow - I put all these together because I have the same reasoning behind all of them. When Voldemort was destroyed by Lily Potters sacrifice, he wasn’t seen or heard of until he came back in PS. It seems he had been in hiding in Western Europe and in such a hiding, wouldn’t have returned to Godric’s Hollow. Of course he could have gone there before he murdered Harry’s parents but I do doubt that, so I am putting these three in the ‘Not Probable’ pile.
Riddle's Wand - This is the best idea here I think because LV would have kept his wand on him at all times and when Wormtail returns it to him in GOF, we know that it has been kept safe. I cant think of any reasoning against it apart from he may have to destroy it to get his piece of the soul out or however he would do it and then he wont have a wand (unless he has Ollivander or his own personal wand maker)
DADA office - Pretty doubtful since I have found out that if a Horcrux is altered or destroyed, it won’t work and we know that the office has been altered many a time with the ever changing teachers that have occupied it.
Other suggestions:
Something in the Room of Requirement - The great premise of this is that it would be difficult to open the room in the particular fashion that LV had it (unless it was the room that everything was hidden in). It would be kept nice and safe since not many know of it. Also it could be anything, when Harry hides his Potions book in the RoR, there is a list of items that he passes and takes slight note of. The one that intrigues me is the ‘heavy, blood-stained axe’.
Someone other than Harry (Quirrel, Ginny, Snape) - I personally think it highly unlikely that Voldemort would entrust a piece of his soul to any person. We are told time and time again that LV likes to operate alone and there is a bunch of evidence to suggest this, mostly in HBP.
Tri-wizard cup - I imagine that a magical item such as this cup that has so much history has been under lock and key for a long time so wouldn’t be able to be gained to turn into a Horcrux.
Cursed Necklace from Borgin and Burke's - I think a this was a great possibility, we don’t know the origins or history of the necklace but unfortunately for LV, DD and Snape got a hold of it and probably would have taken its powers away.
Tom Riddle Sr.'s body/grave - The fact that LV despises his father and his father’s family (hence why he murdered them) suggests that he probably wouldn‘t use anything related to them for a Horcrux. The genius of this idea is that in order to create a Horcrux, you must perform a murder. If you make the dead body the Horcrux, it is going to be buried nice and safe in the ground.
Harry's Invisibility cloak - in the first book, when Harry first receives the cloak, the note that accompanies it says that James left it in DD’s possession. So it’s pretty safe to assume the cloak isn’t a Horcrux.
The Riddle house - It was suggested that Hogwarts could also be a Horcrux and this idea was dispelled on the premise of it just being to big of an item. I think the same applies here.
One of the trophies taken while at the orphanage - I agree with Dumbledore that LV would pick worthier items. It is the significance that attracts LV and no of the Items i can recall have much of a great significance.
Basilisk from the Chamber of Secrets - Unlikely that two Horcruxes would be revealed in the same book and the fact that the Basilisk is dead puts a great dampening on this idea (a good one though)
Harry's wand - Harry has had his wand with him at all times exlcuding two. Firstly, at the Quidditch World Cup when Barty Crouch Jnr had it and performed only the Dark Mark and secondly when Voldemort confiscated it off him when he regained his body in GOF. Both times no one including LV would have a chance to perform the spell or murder that secures the item as a Horcrux.
Wormtail's silver hand - Again, no chance to create spell. Went straight onto Wormtail's arm and his arm doesn't seem to die anymore as has been suggested. Although we know Wormtail has been with LV and Snape so it isn't impossible, more improbable.
Sirius's motorcycle - This is difficult as we can't be sure of it whereabouts. We know that Hagrid took it after Lily and James' death but thats it. Lack of evidence means we can't rule it out, but can prob say improbable on the basis of the Order keeping it safe.
One of the Two-way mirrors - We know that Sirius owns these but he was in Azkaban for 13 years so it is the same situation as the Motorcycle. We could go so far as presuming that since Grimmauld Place was only housing Kreacher and Mrs Black's portrait they (and possibly the Motorcycle) have been at this location and safe in the fact that they have been forgotton about.
Something Belonging to Moaning Myrtle - I am not opposed to this idea and i think it has alot of premise. The problem for the good side is that they have no idea where Myrtle's posessions would be and this is outstanding news for LV
The Whomping Willow (though it was planted after Voldemort left school) - Dismissed on the basis that it was planted after LV left Hogwarts and he has only been back on the back of Quirrell's head.
Tapestry containing Black Family History - As I said before, probably forgotton about with the Motorcycle and Two-way mirrors.
It is important to consider what is PROBABLE not POSSIBLE. In HP's world anything is possible. So in having spent a number of hours thinking why or why not these items are Horcruxes or not here is my list of 7 Horcruxes (or 6 rather).
1. Voldemort himself, 2. Marvolo’s ring, 3. Slytherin’s locket, 4. Riddle’s diary, 5. Hufflepuff’s Cup, 6. Riddle’s wand, 7. Nagini (I have mentioned that I’m sceptical about Nagini but I find it hard to believe that LV would get ahold of Mrs Weasley’s tiara, which would be my next guess)
Anyhoo, keep on foruming little forumites and let me know what you think.
I have had a good look at the summary of probable Horcruxes and whilst all have pros and cons, I thought I could copy the list provided and try to safely eliminate a few. Feel free to correct me if I have overlooked something.
What Dumbledore thinks is a horcrux: (Dumbledore’s shrewd ideas, usually turn out to be accurate)
Hufflepuff's Goblet - All evidence points to the cup being a Horcrux, DD surmises the murder was for gain and I doubt that it would be coincidence that the Locket and the Cup went missing around the same time as the murder of Hepzibah Smith. Additionally, DD says of the cup; “It belonged to another of Hogwarts’ founders…he could not resist an object so steeped in Hogwarts’ history.”
Nagini - I’m not completely convinced that Nagini is a Horcrux despite DD provided persuasion to the idea that she is. The fact that LV has an “unusual amount of control” over Nagini almost makes me say yes, but as has been argued already, I’m not sure LV would risk the idea of his soul into a living thing.
Popular suggestions:
Harry Potter (or Harry's scar) - Harry’s scar isn’t a Horcrux, we have learnt that it was the mark that the prophecy mentions; “The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal”. Again with Harry, it is the whole living thing as a Horcrux that I’m not convinced by. Plus if Harry is a Horcrux, then if he destroys all the other Horcruxes then he will have to kill himself to kill LV and that doesn’t stick to the prophecy “Neither can live while the other survives”
Gryffindor's Sword - This is dispelled by DD in HBP when he says that it is the only known relic of Gryffindor and that it has been kept quite safe.
Mrs. Weasley's tiara - I hadn’t considered that! I’m really attracted to this idea and think it might be one except for the fact the Mrs Weasley has probably kept it safe. Not that probable.
Hogwarts - I agree with savingharry on this. Alteration of Hogwarts means that as a Horcrux it would be destroyed.
Mirror of Erised - This is another great idea except for the fact of its availability. DD it seems has been keeping the Mirror pretty safe and secure in the school and after he left school, LV only returned to be interviewed for the DADA teaching position. No opportunity to make it a Horcrux.
Tom Riddle's Award for Special Service to the School - As with the Mirror has been kept pretty safe and also we know that LV only performed the murders of his family at school and made the ring into a Horcrux.
The Potters' graves in Godric’s Hollow, Godric Gryffindor's grave or a monument to him in Godric's Hollow, Something else from Godric's Hollow - I put all these together because I have the same reasoning behind all of them. When Voldemort was destroyed by Lily Potters sacrifice, he wasn’t seen or heard of until he came back in PS. It seems he had been in hiding in Western Europe and in such a hiding, wouldn’t have returned to Godric’s Hollow. Of course he could have gone there before he murdered Harry’s parents but I do doubt that, so I am putting these three in the ‘Not Probable’ pile.
Riddle's Wand - This is the best idea here I think because LV would have kept his wand on him at all times and when Wormtail returns it to him in GOF, we know that it has been kept safe. I cant think of any reasoning against it apart from he may have to destroy it to get his piece of the soul out or however he would do it and then he wont have a wand (unless he has Ollivander or his own personal wand maker)
DADA office - Pretty doubtful since I have found out that if a Horcrux is altered or destroyed, it won’t work and we know that the office has been altered many a time with the ever changing teachers that have occupied it.
Other suggestions:
Something in the Room of Requirement - The great premise of this is that it would be difficult to open the room in the particular fashion that LV had it (unless it was the room that everything was hidden in). It would be kept nice and safe since not many know of it. Also it could be anything, when Harry hides his Potions book in the RoR, there is a list of items that he passes and takes slight note of. The one that intrigues me is the ‘heavy, blood-stained axe’.
Someone other than Harry (Quirrel, Ginny, Snape) - I personally think it highly unlikely that Voldemort would entrust a piece of his soul to any person. We are told time and time again that LV likes to operate alone and there is a bunch of evidence to suggest this, mostly in HBP.
Tri-wizard cup - I imagine that a magical item such as this cup that has so much history has been under lock and key for a long time so wouldn’t be able to be gained to turn into a Horcrux.
Cursed Necklace from Borgin and Burke's - I think a this was a great possibility, we don’t know the origins or history of the necklace but unfortunately for LV, DD and Snape got a hold of it and probably would have taken its powers away.
Tom Riddle Sr.'s body/grave - The fact that LV despises his father and his father’s family (hence why he murdered them) suggests that he probably wouldn‘t use anything related to them for a Horcrux. The genius of this idea is that in order to create a Horcrux, you must perform a murder. If you make the dead body the Horcrux, it is going to be buried nice and safe in the ground.
Harry's Invisibility cloak - in the first book, when Harry first receives the cloak, the note that accompanies it says that James left it in DD’s possession. So it’s pretty safe to assume the cloak isn’t a Horcrux.
The Riddle house - It was suggested that Hogwarts could also be a Horcrux and this idea was dispelled on the premise of it just being to big of an item. I think the same applies here.
One of the trophies taken while at the orphanage - I agree with Dumbledore that LV would pick worthier items. It is the significance that attracts LV and no of the Items i can recall have much of a great significance.
Basilisk from the Chamber of Secrets - Unlikely that two Horcruxes would be revealed in the same book and the fact that the Basilisk is dead puts a great dampening on this idea (a good one though)
Harry's wand - Harry has had his wand with him at all times exlcuding two. Firstly, at the Quidditch World Cup when Barty Crouch Jnr had it and performed only the Dark Mark and secondly when Voldemort confiscated it off him when he regained his body in GOF. Both times no one including LV would have a chance to perform the spell or murder that secures the item as a Horcrux.
Wormtail's silver hand - Again, no chance to create spell. Went straight onto Wormtail's arm and his arm doesn't seem to die anymore as has been suggested. Although we know Wormtail has been with LV and Snape so it isn't impossible, more improbable.
Sirius's motorcycle - This is difficult as we can't be sure of it whereabouts. We know that Hagrid took it after Lily and James' death but thats it. Lack of evidence means we can't rule it out, but can prob say improbable on the basis of the Order keeping it safe.
One of the Two-way mirrors - We know that Sirius owns these but he was in Azkaban for 13 years so it is the same situation as the Motorcycle. We could go so far as presuming that since Grimmauld Place was only housing Kreacher and Mrs Black's portrait they (and possibly the Motorcycle) have been at this location and safe in the fact that they have been forgotton about.
Something Belonging to Moaning Myrtle - I am not opposed to this idea and i think it has alot of premise. The problem for the good side is that they have no idea where Myrtle's posessions would be and this is outstanding news for LV
The Whomping Willow (though it was planted after Voldemort left school) - Dismissed on the basis that it was planted after LV left Hogwarts and he has only been back on the back of Quirrell's head.
Tapestry containing Black Family History - As I said before, probably forgotton about with the Motorcycle and Two-way mirrors.
It is important to consider what is PROBABLE not POSSIBLE. In HP's world anything is possible. So in having spent a number of hours thinking why or why not these items are Horcruxes or not here is my list of 7 Horcruxes (or 6 rather).
1. Voldemort himself, 2. Marvolo’s ring, 3. Slytherin’s locket, 4. Riddle’s diary, 5. Hufflepuff’s Cup, 6. Riddle’s wand, 7. Nagini (I have mentioned that I’m sceptical about Nagini but I find it hard to believe that LV would get ahold of Mrs Weasley’s tiara, which would be my next guess)
Anyhoo, keep on foruming little forumites and let me know what you think.
Thanks for the compendium! I had a few comments.
1. Nagini: Like you I am not convinced about Nagini, tho the comment of JKR that DD is usually not far off the mark suggests maybe we should take his word. Doesn't feel right to me somehow.
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The tiara belongs to Aunt Muriel. We have no idea what Aunt Muriel is like, what she might be doing with it, how she has guarded it, if she or someone in her family might have been imperiused, etc. For all we know, when they go looking for the tiara they may find it missing--perhaps that is how the quest begins in DH.
3. Godric's Hollow: LV had many years to notice the common name between GG and GH. So he could have at any time gone there to find a horcrux object or stash one in the village.
4. LV's wand: Up to now I've not been tempted by this idea. But the fact that someone took the care to retrieve it that night means that it may be more than a wand. And it would simplify the the issue of whether LV had anything else with him that night that he intended to use as a horcrux once he killed Harry.
5. Cloak:
Well, now, the fact that James handed it off to DD suggests that maybe the cloak--or something hidden in it--had to be kept safe from LV's inevitable finding of the Potters. Having defied him three times, I think it fair to surmise that Lily and James were doing something that put them in LV's way a lot. I'm still intrigued by this possibility.
1. Nagini: Like you I am not convinced about Nagini, tho the comment of JKR that DD is usually not far off the mark suggests maybe we should take his word. Doesn't feel right to me somehow.
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Mrs. Weasley's tiara - I hadn’t considered that! I’m really attracted to this idea and think it might be one except for the fact the Mrs Weasley has probably kept it safe. Not that probable.
The tiara belongs to Aunt Muriel. We have no idea what Aunt Muriel is like, what she might be doing with it, how she has guarded it, if she or someone in her family might have been imperiused, etc. For all we know, when they go looking for the tiara they may find it missing--perhaps that is how the quest begins in DH.
3. Godric's Hollow: LV had many years to notice the common name between GG and GH. So he could have at any time gone there to find a horcrux object or stash one in the village.
4. LV's wand: Up to now I've not been tempted by this idea. But the fact that someone took the care to retrieve it that night means that it may be more than a wand. And it would simplify the the issue of whether LV had anything else with him that night that he intended to use as a horcrux once he killed Harry.
5. Cloak:
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Harry's Invisibility cloak - in the first book, when Harry first receives the cloak, the note that accompanies it says that James left it in DD’s possession. So it’s pretty safe to assume the cloak isn’t a Horcrux.
Well, now, the fact that James handed it off to DD suggests that maybe the cloak--or something hidden in it--had to be kept safe from LV's inevitable finding of the Potters. Having defied him three times, I think it fair to surmise that Lily and James were doing something that put them in LV's way a lot. I'm still intrigued by this possibility.
I just thought of something. How do we know for sure that Voldemort didn't make something at Hogwarts a horcrux when he was attached to Quirrell? Or steal something for later use of a horcrux? It probably isn't right and there is probably some evidence against it, but yeah.
What is this belief that Harry is a horcrux? I know someone who thinks that when Voldemort gave Harry the scar he converted some of his powers (obviously) but put some of his soul into Harry. If Harry is a horcrux, if Harry finds out will he kill himself? Will he be the main character who dies in the seventh book?
Actually, I think this is a pretty big subject I'll post it. But let me know what you think.
Actually, I think this is a pretty big subject I'll post it. But let me know what you think.
I have lost my copy of the Goblet of Fire, but in the graveyard there are only 4 souls that come out of the wand. What about the murders the Dark Lord commited to create the Horcruxs? If they do not show up, then maybe the old man in the GOF( his name i forget) was not made into a horcrucx, and something or someone is a horcrux?
I belive that Voldermort has a hocrux from each founder
Slytherin= The Locket taken by R.A.B (Regulus Black)
Hufflepuff= The cup once owned by Hepzobar Smith
Gryffindor+Harry himself, being as he (jn my opinion) will turn out to be Grodrics decendant
Ravenclaw=(Which im most exited about) The lone wand on the purple cushion in Olivanders
I have just had another thought, what if when you destroy a Hocrux a vision of the murdered victim, who made the hocrux, vises out of the object.Like it did when H and V wands connectede, just a thought
Slytherin= The Locket taken by R.A.B (Regulus Black)
Hufflepuff= The cup once owned by Hepzobar Smith
Gryffindor+Harry himself, being as he (jn my opinion) will turn out to be Grodrics decendant
Ravenclaw=(Which im most exited about) The lone wand on the purple cushion in Olivanders
I have just had another thought, what if when you destroy a Hocrux a vision of the murdered victim, who made the hocrux, vises out of the object.Like it did when H and V wands connectede, just a thought
I don't think Harry is a Horcrux for the simple fact that LV was trying to kill him! I do think that the final Horcrux Harry needs to find is in Godric's Hollow, or what's left of it. Also, if LV's AV(the "Killing Curse") rebounded off of Harry and hit himself, would'nt that have killed the part of his soul that remained in him?
i think they are(apart from diary and voldy himself)
1 locket which is with aberforth,the barman.
2 cup is in gringotts(will explain how)
3 ravenclaw wand with ollivander.
4 nagini
the four houses symbolises a force of nature.
gryffindor-fire
slytherin-water
ravenclaw-air
hufflepuff-earth
the theory is that each horcrux is protected by the element that particular house symbolises.
slytherin locket was protected by water because
1 it was deep inside a sea.
2 DD and harry had to swim to get near the locket.
3 they again had to travel in a boat.
hufflepuff cup- this has to be protected by earth.there are only two known underground places in hp series,ministry of magic(MoM) and gringotts.
MoM is heavily protected by aurors and it's difficult for voldy to place a horcrux there.so it must be in gringotts.the cover of UK version of HPDH shows the trio in gringotts and a golden cup towards which harry is advancing.i think this is the cup mentioned in HBP.
ravenclaw wand-this must be protected by air.may be voldy bewitched the wand and made it to fly like a snitch. we know that voldy is no fool.he must have put a spell which doesn't allow a broom near it.otherwise it would be so trivial and should be even more simpler for our quiddich captain.
Here comes the role of sirius flying motorcycle which jo said would make an appearance in HPDH.i already theorised in another thread that hagrid has the motorcycle and it shouldn't be difficult for harry to obtain it.
looking at the US cover i think that harry is near the ravenclaw's object.harry is summoning something from air which is not present in the frame.
locket:when harry realises that RAB is regulus and that he has already seen the locket he will go to number 12,grimmauld place.then he realises that dung has stolen it and gave it to aberforth.
nagini:it will be killed in the final battle and harry's parselmouth ability may prove handy.
1 locket which is with aberforth,the barman.
2 cup is in gringotts(will explain how)
3 ravenclaw wand with ollivander.
4 nagini
the four houses symbolises a force of nature.
gryffindor-fire
slytherin-water
ravenclaw-air
hufflepuff-earth
the theory is that each horcrux is protected by the element that particular house symbolises.
slytherin locket was protected by water because
1 it was deep inside a sea.
2 DD and harry had to swim to get near the locket.
3 they again had to travel in a boat.
hufflepuff cup- this has to be protected by earth.there are only two known underground places in hp series,ministry of magic(MoM) and gringotts.
MoM is heavily protected by aurors and it's difficult for voldy to place a horcrux there.so it must be in gringotts.the cover of UK version of HPDH shows the trio in gringotts and a golden cup towards which harry is advancing.i think this is the cup mentioned in HBP.
ravenclaw wand-this must be protected by air.may be voldy bewitched the wand and made it to fly like a snitch. we know that voldy is no fool.he must have put a spell which doesn't allow a broom near it.otherwise it would be so trivial and should be even more simpler for our quiddich captain.
Here comes the role of sirius flying motorcycle which jo said would make an appearance in HPDH.i already theorised in another thread that hagrid has the motorcycle and it shouldn't be difficult for harry to obtain it.
looking at the US cover i think that harry is near the ravenclaw's object.harry is summoning something from air which is not present in the frame.
locket:when harry realises that RAB is regulus and that he has already seen the locket he will go to number 12,grimmauld place.then he realises that dung has stolen it and gave it to aberforth.
nagini:it will be killed in the final battle and harry's parselmouth ability may prove handy.
"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort -- who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin -- can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure ..." "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so." (CoS pg. 332/245)
"Never wondered how you got that mark on yer forehead? That was no ordinary cut. Thats what yeh get when a powerful evil curse touches yeh." (SS/PS pg. 55/45)
Harry's scar is a horcrux. I also found it amusing that Harry looked thunderstruct, seeing as his scar is a lightning bolt
also...this could be another one....
"But would Lord Voldemort use tin cans or old potions bottles to guard his own precious soul? You are forgetting what I have showed you. Lord Voldermort liked to collect trophies, and he preferred objects with a powerful magical history. His pride, his belief in his own superiority, his detirmination to carve for himself a starting place in magical history; these things suggest to me that Voldemort would have chosen his Horcruxes with some care, favoring objects worthy of the honor."504
"T.M. Riddle got an award for special services to the school fifty years ago." 231
I think the shield he was given was a horcrux; what would be bette to show his pride in his accomplishments? His own superiority would be the locket. The diary could be the place in magical history (diaries have done so in the past: think Anne Frank).
One last thing....I really like snivellusfan's theories...go read :]
snivellusfan i loved your theories about where they are all hidden. I, too, read somewhere that Helga's cup may be in Gringotts, and i never realised, but ,yes, the locket was by the sea, in a lake, using a boat to get to it.
Now the ravenclaw wand ( do we know it's a wand? ) - well it could possibly be buried in the mountains somewhere, as that would be very high up and kinda airy ! or maybe he gave it to the vampires that he, no doubt, visited (sorry can't remmeber where), i doubt he would just leave it to "fly around" as that wouldn't be very safe, and everyone could see it. it may well be in the air, but i doubt it's in plain view!
MsLupin21 Harry's scar a horcrux? i haven't heard that theory before... although surely it'd be very hard to store in a human? and then HArry'd have to like shoot himself in the head! haha. well maybe not...
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Now the ravenclaw wand ( do we know it's a wand? ) - well it could possibly be buried in the mountains somewhere, as that would be very high up and kinda airy ! or maybe he gave it to the vampires that he, no doubt, visited (sorry can't remmeber where), i doubt he would just leave it to "fly around" as that wouldn't be very safe, and everyone could see it. it may well be in the air, but i doubt it's in plain view!
MsLupin21 Harry's scar a horcrux? i haven't heard that theory before... although surely it'd be very hard to store in a human? and then HArry'd have to like shoot himself in the head! haha.
well maybe not... .X.
thanks for the replies but does anyone here agree with me that the cup towards which harry is advancing is hufflepuff's horcrux?and in the US cover is he trying to summon the ravenclaw's horcrux?the reason for me to think that was that harry has tied the locket in his neck and that too in front of voldy.that means he has completed destroying horcruxes or intends to finish the last one in the final battle.
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thanks for the replies but does anyone here agree with me that the cup towards which harry is advancing is hufflepuff's horcrux?and in the US cover is he trying to summon the ravenclaw's horcrux?the reason for me to think that was that harry has tied the locket in his neck and that too in front of voldy.that means he has completed destroying horcruxes or intends to finish the last one in the final battle.
I do agree that Harry may be trying to destroy the last horcrux during the final battle, but I don't think that's Hufflepuff's cup. It looks too big. In the book, when Dumbledore shows Harry the memory of Hepzibah Smith it says, "Harry edged forward ... and saw what looked like a small golden cup with two finely wrought handles..." (HBP, p436). The cup on the cover looks too large and ornate too be Hufflepuff's.
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"T.M. Riddle got an award for special services to the school fifty years ago." 231
I think the shield he was given was a horcrux; what would be bette to show his pride in his accomplishments? His own superiority would be the locket. The diary could be the place in magical history (diaries have done so in the past: think Anne Frank).
I mentioned in one of my earlier posts about Riddle's shield being a horcrux. I'm not sure it entirely possible for a couple of reasons.
1. The sheild seems to have been at Hogwarts since LV left and the books seem to tell us that Riddle only commited murder at Hogwarts (well the Gaunts) to make Marvolo's ring a Horcrux (which is know destroyed)
and 2. The shield can't have a great connection to LV. We know that LV likes to be proud of his acheivments and this acheivment was the result of framing Hagrid for opening the Chamber of Secrets and killing Moaning Myrtle. He couldn't be proud that he let someone else 'get credit' for his work.
My afterthought is that there is an idea that something of Myrtle's could be a horcrux, but the Basilisk did kill her, not Riddle...unless it was on LV command. Hmm, slight debate topic there...Enjoy!
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hpalltheway i wonder if nagini who if we assume is a horcrux contains a piece of voldemorts soul..which would explain when harry saw her bite mr weasley through its eyes as a part of one of voldemort's souls.
I was thinking along the same line of thought, with the magical injury of Nagini biting Mr. Weasley...
I think Nagini probably is a horcrux if for no other reason than Dumbledore, after careful thought, did not eliminate her from the list of horcruxes. Yes he could be wrong, but why would he mention it if it was just a wild theory of his. He had reasons to believe that Nagini was a horcrux, I think.
My theory for supporting Dumbledore's Nagini as a horcrux theory is this:
Nagini was definitely a magical creature since her poisonous bite to Mr. Weasley had magical propeties.
Voldemort is not stupid and would not pick an ordinary snake to be a horcrux. She has to be special in some way, if only a personal reason, like the cave where he abused kids from the orphanage was special to him. Of course the snake/Slytherin connection is strong, but I think there's more to it than that. Why not just use a statue of a snake then? I think Nagini is not just a snake, but a magical creature or hybrid that looks like a snake. Just as Crookshanks is not an ordinary cat, Nagini is something else, probably something that is immortal, sort of like a phoenix or very long-lived. I would say she is not a baby basilisk because people would be dying when they looked into her eyes, or do those powers only kick in later in her development? Maybe Voldemort even found a way to create a new creature. Weren't some of the magical creatures created by wizards from the past? Maybe she became a magical creature by the very virtue of being a horcrux.
OK, the possibilities are endless even with this hint from Dumbledore! That's also why I think Nagini could be a horcrux. We only have one book to go and don't have time to go on a wild goose chase (or wild horcrux chase), so it's probably a good lead.
Also, since horcrux hunting was difficult for even Dumbledore, Harry is going to need a lot of help and luck to find them. It would not surprise me if RAB (Regulus or someone else) has already done most of the job for him. He was already going to take care of the locket, so why stop there other than the fact that he knew his death was imminent. Maybe he had more time than he originally thought or had already gotten some of the other horcruxes disabled. I say disabled, because the diary and ring were not destroyed. They still existed after they were unhorcruxed. I think Dumbledore and others thoroughly searched the Black residence unless Kreature had a REALLY good hiding place. Even Dumbledore himself could not find the entrance to the chamber of secrets, so maybe other things can be hidden likewise? Maybe Harry will think to give Kreature a direct order to tell him where the horcruxes are? Of course it can't be that simple!!!
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I think in CoS that there is mention of a GRYFFIN DOOR KNOCKER on DD's office door. Anyone else think this could have been the thing that belonged to Gryffindor? hiding in plain site?
Just curious
I think in CoS that there is mention of a GRYFFIN DOOR KNOCKER on DD's office door. Anyone else think this could have been the thing that belonged to Gryffindor? hiding in plain site?
Just curious
I can't really think of any other items. Also, I know this has been talked about, but does anyone have any idea why Dumbledore insisted that there was only one "known relic" of Gryffindor's, when the Sorting hat is there. The sorting hat, itself, said that he was pulled off of Gryffindor's head. Wouldn't that make him a "relic" of sorts? Why does Dumbledore disregard it? Was it an accident or does he know yet another thing that needs to be discovered?
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Also, I know this has been talked about, but does anyone have any idea why Dumbledore insisted that there was only one "known relic" of Gryffindor's, when the Sorting hat is there. The sorting hat, itself, said that he was pulled off of Gryffindor's head. Wouldn't that make him a "relic" of sorts? Why does Dumbledore disregard it? Was it an accident or does he know yet another thing that needs to be discovered?
i think DD is the heir of gryffindor and thus knows that there is no known relic of gryffindor apart from the sword.DD is not alone in discarding the sorting hat even jo said that the horcruxes,unlike the hat,don't draw attention to themselves by shouting.
The British cover of HPDH might be telling us something. I am among those who believe that perhaps one of Voldemort's Horcruxes is in Gringotts, because the cover shows the Trio surrounded by lots of treasure. I don't know, maybe on of the missing ones is in the form of a jewel of some sort. Maybe a ruby? Or emerald? I don't know.
It could be, and that's what's so frustrating. We'll never really know until we read this final book. I do take comfort in this though: In an interview for the PoA DVD, Jo said that if she ever needed to put information in a book or film, she would put it in through either Dumbledore or Hermione. Now that's she's said this we can basically assume that everything Dumbledore's said is true. He believes that there could be horcruxes made of things from Ravenclaw, the Hufflepuff cup, and he is sure that there is nothing of Gryffindor's to worry about. I believe him. I just wish we knew exactly what before the seventh book. But, I suppose that's part of the suspense.
So, if Voldemort made a horcrux after every important kill in his life, you would think he would make one after he killed Harry, because he knew that that was very important. So, what if Voldemort didn't finish all his 7 horcruxes BEFORE he killed Harry and made one AFTER. Then, when he met Nagini, he made her a horcrux!
yay i got it!
yay i got it!
Yes... that's the angle. Dumbledore believes that the death of the Potters was supposed to be for his SIXTH and final horcrux (remember, it's 7 parts of soul, not 7 horcruxes). But that backfired so I think it's safe to assume that Lord Voldemort used either the death of Bertha Jorkins or Frank Bryce to create the horcrux for which Nagini, the snake, was used.
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So, if Voldemort made a horcrux after every important kill in his life, you would think he would make one after he killed Harry, because he knew that that was very important. So, what if Voldemort didn't finish all his 7 horcruxes BEFORE he killed Harry and made one AFTER. Then, when he met Nagini, he made her a horcrux!
yay i got it!DD suspected that Voldemort didn't finish the 7 horcruxes before killing Harry, maybe you're right, and after his comeback, he made the 7th horcrux...but according to what it is said in the books, LV made the horcruxes after important killings...so who'd you reckon he might have killed to make the 7th horcrux (if he made it)???
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Yes... that's the angle. Dumbledore believes that the death of the Potters was supposed to be for his SIXTH and final horcrux (remember, it's 7 parts of soul, not 7 horcruxes). But that backfired so I think it's safe to assume that Lord Voldemort used either the death of Bertha Jorkins or Frank Bryce to create the horcrux for which Nagini, the snake, was used.
I don't quite think that he used the death of Berta Jorkins or Frank Bryce, because as I said before they're supposed to be made- the horcruxes- after the deth of an important character...I mean, I reckon they only were Ministry's employees...maybe I'm wrong...How did you come up with the idea???
I don't think they have to be made from important deaths. What defines an "important death" in the laws of the wizarding world? I think LV just used deaths that he thought were important or sentimental, but with Nagini he was probably just desperate. The horcrux probably has the same value. Remember when you were a little kid and you go to a friend's house and they pour you juice/milk/water/insert beverage name here and you get an ugly colored cup while your friend gets your favorite color? Horcruxes probably work like the cups: You may not like the cup color, but it still holds the same amount of drink. LV just prefered using "important deaths" because they meant something, just like the color of the cup means something to the little kid.
I don't really know if the cup thing has happened to any of you but I know that many of my friends have gotten the pretty pink cup while i got the ugly green one many many times.
I don't really know if the cup thing has happened to any of you but I know that many of my friends have gotten the pretty pink cup while i got the ugly green one many many times.
The definition of a Horcrux is if a person commits murder then it destroys your soul and never becomes the same again because of that. I don't think Voldemort chose to make death his way of making a horcrux but he chooses what he splits his soul into. Therefore, that ties in with your cup theory, danicollinsx3, aswell; that even if Voldemort all those years chose to leave a part of his soul in something he chose was significant to himself so he would remember, that doesn't mean that if he kills a person he doesn't accidently create a horcrux without him knowing.
..But then i question whether or not there is a specific incantation with which you can create the horcrux. If so, then it doesn't make sense for voldemort to 'unwillingly' create a horcrux.
What i want to know is 'how exactly was Voldemort able to come back in the Philosopher's Stone?'. I mean if he had created Horcruxes before he disappeared after the potter's death then there must have been something which he was keeping that soul in whilst he was getting Professor Quirril to steal the Elixer of Life, otherwise he would have just died. I think there is some significance to this question. Perhaps we could study the possiblilties as to which horcrux he could have been using before he found Quirril, unless...he was using Nagini temporarily!???
..But then i question whether or not there is a specific incantation with which you can create the horcrux. If so, then it doesn't make sense for voldemort to 'unwillingly' create a horcrux.
What i want to know is 'how exactly was Voldemort able to come back in the Philosopher's Stone?'. I mean if he had created Horcruxes before he disappeared after the potter's death then there must have been something which he was keeping that soul in whilst he was getting Professor Quirril to steal the Elixer of Life, otherwise he would have just died. I think there is some significance to this question. Perhaps we could study the possiblilties as to which horcrux he could have been using before he found Quirril, unless...he was using Nagini temporarily!???
QUOTE(danicollinsx3 @ Apr 12 2007, 12:19 AM) [snapback]365471[/snapback]
I don't think they have to be made from important deaths. What defines an "important death" in the laws of the wizarding world? I think LV just used deaths that he thought were important or sentimental…
I used the word “important” to relate not to what an important death is to wizarding laws, but I meant the same thin you said afterwards, “LV just used deaths that he thought were important or sentimental”.
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What i want to know is 'how exactly was Voldemort able to come back in the Philosopher's Stone?'. I mean if he had created Horcruxes before he disappeared after the potter's death then there must have been something which he was keeping that soul in whilst he was getting Professor Quirril to steal the Elixer of Life, otherwise he would have just died. I think there is some significance to this question. Perhaps we could study the possiblilties as to which horcrux he could have been using before he found Quirril, unless...he was using Nagini temporarily!???
Interesting...Well, as it was said in book 1, Voldemort was being kept alive because he was making Quirell drink blood out of unicorns…as to what happened before Quirell LV told Harry in book 1:
“ ‘See what I’ve become?’ the face said, ‘Mere shadow and vapour…I have form only when I can share another’s body…but there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds…Unicorn blood has strengthened me, these past weeks…”
Perhaps he used Nagini, in that case-temporarily or not- Nagini wouldn’t be still being a horcrux, but that wouldn't make sense…Or perhaps, just like in book 2 he used Ginny’s energy –or whatever you may call it- to separate the memory from the diary, maybe he used a similar procedure to sap the life out of some other people or animals that would keep him alive utill he found Quirell
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Well, I’ve been doing a little bit of reading and after a while, I’ve found something very interesting that I wanted to share with you people…
Voldemort made 7 Horcruxes before the Potter’s death…Here’s why:
In book 6, when Harry found out that LV made more than one horcrux, it is said:
“ ‘He made seven Horcruxes?’ said Harry, horrorstruck,(…)
‘I am glad to see you appreciate the magnitude of the problem’, said Dumbledore calmly.’But firstly, no Harry, not seven Horcruxes:six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack-the piece that lives in his body.’ ”
He did make 7 Horcruxes, he used one of them when the Avada Kedavra curse backfired.
But still, there’s a catch…it occurred to me that, as LV did use one of his seven horcruxes, after that, he must have wanted to complete again the seven horcruxes, right?? At least, it would make sense… So I kept reading… and here’s what I’ve found it is said in the same chapter:
“ ‘He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly sinificant deaths. You would have certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death
‘As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an ols Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux…”
Atfer reading this, and taking all into account, it is very likely that LV has seven horcruxes already in case Nagini is one of them...
I hope I made my point clear, what do you people think of it???
An interesting thought just hit me.....
I was thinking about Hagrid as "keeper of the keys" and glancing at the title of the thread that wonders about Hagrid having a horcrux....
And I was thinking of the snitch that James is repeatedly grabbing from the air in the OWLS memory in OOTP.
That combination--key and snitch--made me think of the flying keys that the trio had to deal with to get to the PS.
Would there be any argument for the key Harry caught there being an item that LV had wanted from Hogwarts, or having been made a horcrux and deposited there somehow? The Ravenclaw air-related horcrux?
Come to think of it, as "Keeper of the Keys", Hagrid's role as "Gamekeeper" would overlap in the keeping and coralling of these flying keys. I wonder what else they might open.
I was thinking about Hagrid as "keeper of the keys" and glancing at the title of the thread that wonders about Hagrid having a horcrux....
And I was thinking of the snitch that James is repeatedly grabbing from the air in the OWLS memory in OOTP.
That combination--key and snitch--made me think of the flying keys that the trio had to deal with to get to the PS.
Would there be any argument for the key Harry caught there being an item that LV had wanted from Hogwarts, or having been made a horcrux and deposited there somehow? The Ravenclaw air-related horcrux?
Come to think of it, as "Keeper of the Keys", Hagrid's role as "Gamekeeper" would overlap in the keeping and coralling of these flying keys. I wonder what else they might open.
[quote name='monkeymushroom' date='Apr 12 2007, 07:05 PM' post='365842']
The definition of a Horcrux is if a person commits murder then it destroys your soul and never becomes the same again because of that...
..But then i question whether or not there is a specific incantation with which you can create the horcrux. If so, then it doesn't make sense for voldemort to 'unwillingly' create a horcrux.
What i want to know is 'how exactly was Voldemort able to come back in the Philosopher's Stone?'
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Of course it needs an incantation, and it cannot be made unwillingly, or else Voldemort would have hundreds of horcruxes and the HP series would turn into a soap.
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[quote name='danicollinsx3' post='365471' date='Apr 12 2007, 12:19 AM']
“ ‘See what I’ve become?’ the face said, ‘Mere shadow and vapour…I have form only when I can share another’s body…but there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds…Unicorn blood has strengthened me, these past weeks…”
Voldemort made 7 Horcruxes before the Potter’s death…Here’s why:
In book 6, when Harry found out that LV made more than one horcrux, it is said:
“ ‘He made seven Horcruxes?’ said Harry, horrorstruck,(…)
‘I am glad to see you appreciate the magnitude of the problem’, said Dumbledore calmly.’But firstly, no Harry, not seven Horcruxes:six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack-the piece that lives in his body.’ ”
He did make 7 Horcruxes, he used one of them when the Avada Kedavra curse backfired.
But still, there’s a catch…it occurred to me that, as LV did use one of his seven horcruxes, after that, he must have wanted to complete again the seven horcruxes, right?? At least, it would make sense… So I kept reading… and here’s what I’ve found it is said in the same chapter:
“ ‘He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly sinificant deaths. You would have certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death
‘As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an ols Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux…”
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I think the quote from DD you provide is quite clarifying: Voldemort wanted to have 7 parts of soul. One in himself, and 6 in other valuable items. The part residing in him is the one that appears in Philosopher's Stone. The AK he used on Harry killed his body, not his 1/7 soul.
Good. Now, here are some questions:
The definition of a Horcrux is if a person commits murder then it destroys your soul and never becomes the same again because of that...
..But then i question whether or not there is a specific incantation with which you can create the horcrux. If so, then it doesn't make sense for voldemort to 'unwillingly' create a horcrux.
What i want to know is 'how exactly was Voldemort able to come back in the Philosopher's Stone?'
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Of course it needs an incantation, and it cannot be made unwillingly, or else Voldemort would have hundreds of horcruxes and the HP series would turn into a soap.
[quote name='Phoenix_1' date='Apr 12 2007, 09:27 PM' post='366001']
[quote name='danicollinsx3' post='365471' date='Apr 12 2007, 12:19 AM']
“ ‘See what I’ve become?’ the face said, ‘Mere shadow and vapour…I have form only when I can share another’s body…but there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds…Unicorn blood has strengthened me, these past weeks…”
Voldemort made 7 Horcruxes before the Potter’s death…Here’s why:
In book 6, when Harry found out that LV made more than one horcrux, it is said:
“ ‘He made seven Horcruxes?’ said Harry, horrorstruck,(…)
‘I am glad to see you appreciate the magnitude of the problem’, said Dumbledore calmly.’But firstly, no Harry, not seven Horcruxes:six. The seventh part of his soul, however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack-the piece that lives in his body.’ ”
He did make 7 Horcruxes, he used one of them when the Avada Kedavra curse backfired.
But still, there’s a catch…it occurred to me that, as LV did use one of his seven horcruxes, after that, he must have wanted to complete again the seven horcruxes, right?? At least, it would make sense… So I kept reading… and here’s what I’ve found it is said in the same chapter:
“ ‘He seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly sinificant deaths. You would have certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death
‘As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an ols Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux…”
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I think the quote from DD you provide is quite clarifying: Voldemort wanted to have 7 parts of soul. One in himself, and 6 in other valuable items. The part residing in him is the one that appears in Philosopher's Stone. The AK he used on Harry killed his body, not his 1/7 soul.
Good. Now, here are some questions:
- Had Voldemort made all 6 horcruxes when he came after Harry or not? If yes, then there are 6 without Nagini. If not, then there are 5 certain ones, and about the 6th we don't know for sure. It could be Nagini, or maybe Voldemort hasn't shown up in HBP at all as being busy with making the last horcrux. Personally, I do think Nagini is one, and the death of Bryce would do, as he was guardian of his father's estate.
- As the diary and the ring are out, that leaves 4 items. The cup, the locket, presumably Nagini and one more item. Is it Ravenclaw's or Griffyndor's? It somehow doesn't make sense that he had to choose... to leave out one founder. So, if he already had 6 horcruxes made when he came after Harry, then he has objects from all founders:
Ring - Slytherin
Locket - Slytherin
Diary - related to Slytherin, as heir
Cup - Hufflepuff
something Griffyndor
something Ravenclaw.
This way, his soul is split in noble objects.
monel i really likes your synopsis regarding the number of horcruxes and such. It was very informative and seems to me to be correct. I however disagree that Voldemort got an item of Gryffindors and ravenclaws. I think he di have to choose and in my humble opinion i think he had to have chosen an object of Ravenclaw's. Nagini is definitely a horcrux to me and no matter what she will have to die so that horcrux will be taken care of. I think JKR would have pruposely had Voldemort not get a Gryffindor object in order to kind of set that against him. You know Gryffindor vs. Slytherin, Harry and Dumbeldore vs Voldemort, good vs evil. Voldemort could not obtain something of Slytherin's so he had to settle and put the last piece of his soul into Nagini. Dumbledore is certain that the only relic of Gryffindor's is the sword and that Voldemort had no acess to that, (plus if he did wouldn't it be like severely protected? like all the others, not sitting inplain view?). No voldemort never got anything of Godric's because that would go against the strength of the book...in my opinion. Perhaps he was trying to get somehting of Gryffindor's that night he tried to end the prophecy, Harry? Could tie into the blood of Gryffindor running though Harry's veins...Godric's hallow?
QUOTE(monel_33 @ Apr 13 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]366849[/snapback]
I think the quote from DD you provide is quite clarifying: Voldemort wanted to have 7 parts of soul. One in himself, and 6 in other valuable items. The part residing in him is the one that appears in Philosopher's Stone. The AK he used on Harry killed his body, not his 1/7 soul.
Good. Now, here are some questions:
- Had Voldemort made all 6 horcruxes when he came after Harry or not? If yes, then there are 6 without Nagini. If not, then there are 5 certain ones, and about the 6th we don't know for sure. It could be Nagini, or maybe Voldemort hasn't shown up in HBP at all as being busy with making the last horcrux. Personally, I do think Nagini is one, and the death of Bryce would do, as he was guardian of his father's estate.
- As the diary and the ring are out, that leaves 4 items. The cup, the locket, presumably Nagini and one more item. Is it Ravenclaw's or Griffyndor's? It somehow doesn't make sense that he had to choose... to leave out one founder. So, if he already had 6 horcruxes made when he came after Harry, then he has objects from all founders:
Ring - Slytherin
Locket - Slytherin
Diary - related to Slytherin, as heir
Cup - Hufflepuff
something Griffyndor
something Ravenclaw.
This way, his soul is split in noble objects.
I completely agree with your idea.
I do think Nagini is a Horcrux, otherwise she wouldn’t be so close to LV, in fact, I think it’s the last Horcrux to be destroyed because of this closeness to Voldemort
QUOTE(XDumbledoreX @ Apr 13 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]367170[/snapback]
Voldemort could not obtain something of Slytherin's so he had to settle and put the last piece of his soul into Nagini. Dumbledore is certain that the only relic of Gryffindor's is the sword and that Voldemort had no acess to that, (plus if he did wouldn't it be like severely protected? like all the others, not sitting inplain view?). No voldemort never got anything of Godric's because that would go against the strength of the book...in my opinion. Perhaps he was trying to get somehting of Gryffindor's that night he tried to end the prophecy, Harry? Could tie into the blood of Gryffindor running though Harry's veins...Godric's hallow?
I do think you’re quite right, about the fact that Voldemort couldn’t have obtained something of Griffindor’s so he had to settle with Nagini being the last Horcrux, not only because the only relic of Griffindor’s is in DD’s office – and Voldemort wouldn’t have access to that – but also because (at least I think) Voldemort wasn’t very powerful at that time (considering that he made this Horcrux sometime between after the AK backfired and before gaining power again).
According to the book, in the same chapter I’ve provided in my last post, DD and Harry guessed that perhaps Tom wanted to get Griffindor’s sword when he went to DD’s office (years after he left Hogwarts)
As far as Godric’s Hallow is concerned, I know I'v eread somwhere that Godric's Hallow is a village where Griffindor's House is supposed to be. Moreover there it said - in the website- that JKR confirmed that there is a connection between the village and Griffindor
Ok, didn't read all 37 pages of the thread -- and I got some of this from someone else from a different thread, apologies to all I steal from in advance.
7 Horcruxes
Horcrux the First: Voldemort his own self (if you think of it, everyone is a horcrux for themselves). -- ALIVE
Horcrux the Second: The Gaunt Ring, with the Coat of Arms of Peverell (more on this in a second) -- DESTROYED
Horcrux the Third: The Slytherin Locket -- Taken by RAB, last seen at 12 Grimmauld Place. Either Kreacher has it, hid it in the house, or Dumbledore's Brother has it (it is Aberforth that Mundungus is meeting with when Harry finds him selling Black merchandise; I wonder if Dumbledore deliberately had his brother doing it so that Dumbledore could 'review' the items Fletcher was taking) -- MISSING
Horcrux the Fourth: The Hufflepuff Cup -- UNKNOWN
Horcrux the Fifth: An Item of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw: More on this in a second
Horcrux the Sixth: Riddle's Diary -- DESTROYED
Horcrux theSeventh: Whatever item Voldemort was planning to use when he killed Harry. Since he was unsuccessful, the item never became a Horcrux. Two ideas about the item: one, Harry finds it when he goes to Godric's Hollow (likely); two, it is Harry's Accidental Horcrux (less likely, but not out of the realm of possibility).
Horcrux the Seventh: Nagini -- HANGIN' WITH VOLDEMORT
There are two big question marks for Harry at the start of the book: where is the locket, and what is the fifth (by my order above) horcrux? I've already summarized the answer to the first question, now the second:
It is a Ravenclaw item. As others have noted, the coat of arms of Peverell contains a Lion. This can NOT be accidental. Therefore, the Gaunt Ring is the item of Gryffindor (or close enough for Voldemort's purposes) for him to have a complete set of House items.
This is information that Harry can figure out on his own based on what he already knows. There are two other questions then, remaining, that we can try to work out.
First, what item of Ravenclaw?
Second, what was theseventh horcrux?
Theseventh was going to be the 'ultimate' item. Its meaning was going to be significant for Voldemort. So it has to be ... I have no idea.
As for the Ravenclaw item, I looked to see if I could find any logical grouping of Ring, Cup, Locket, and ?. I thought it might be related to cards, since Cup was a suit in medieval times, but Ring and Locket were stretches. So I have no idea either.
pages of the thread -- and I got some of this from someone else from a different thread, apologies to all I steal from in advance.7 Horcruxes
Horcrux the First: Voldemort his own self (if you think of it, everyone is a horcrux for themselves). -- ALIVE
Horcrux the Second: The Gaunt Ring, with the Coat of Arms of Peverell (more on this in a second) -- DESTROYED
Horcrux the Third: The Slytherin Locket -- Taken by RAB, last seen at 12 Grimmauld Place. Either Kreacher has it, hid it in the house, or Dumbledore's Brother has it (it is Aberforth that Mundungus is meeting with when Harry finds him selling Black merchandise; I wonder if Dumbledore deliberately had his brother doing it so that Dumbledore could 'review' the items Fletcher was taking) -- MISSING
Horcrux the Fourth: The Hufflepuff Cup -- UNKNOWN
Horcrux the Fifth: An Item of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw: More on this in a second
Horcrux the Sixth: Riddle's Diary -- DESTROYED
Horcrux the
Horcrux the Seventh: Nagini -- HANGIN' WITH VOLDEMORT
There are two big question marks for Harry at the start of the book: where is the locket, and what is the fifth (by my order above) horcrux? I've already summarized the answer to the first question, now the second:
It is a Ravenclaw item. As others have noted, the coat of arms of Peverell contains a Lion. This can NOT be accidental. Therefore, the Gaunt Ring is the item of Gryffindor (or close enough for Voldemort's purposes) for him to have a complete set of House items.
This is information that Harry can figure out on his own based on what he already knows. There are two other questions then, remaining, that we can try to work out.
First, what item of Ravenclaw?
Second, what was the
The
As for the Ravenclaw item, I looked to see if I could find any logical grouping of Ring, Cup, Locket, and ?. I thought it might be related to cards, since Cup was a suit in medieval times, but Ring and Locket were stretches. So I have no idea either.
haha i've been saying it for a while now but wouldn't tiara go well with that set? in terms of royalty all of those things could be found with royalty and the tiara is a very probable horcrux. Ring on a king or queens finger, drinking from a royal goblet, wearing the royal locket while sitting under the royal cropwn/tiara. I think the tiara fits and if since it could be connected to ravenclaw and goblin metal it should be a horcrux. Plus its mentioned, but not much, in the books just like the hints at the locket in OotP so it must be a horcrux
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