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Phoenix_1
I agree with HP number one Fan it is fair indeed to assume that Qurell's body was a Horcrux, but in GoF, Voldemort "confirms" that Quirell wasn't a Horcrux.:
" 'Then...four years ago...the means for my return seemed assured. A wizard -young, foolish and gullible- wandered across my path in the forest I had made my home. Oh he seemed the very chance I had been dreaming of...he was easy to bend to my will...he brought me back to this country, and after a while, I took possession of his body, to supervise him closely as he carried out my orders. ...'
(...)
'The servant died when I left his body, and I was left as weak as ever I had been,' "

So, if Quirell was a Horcrux that LV used, I guess that he wouldn't have been "left as weak as ever".
crookshanks04
ok so i just got my copy of quidditch through the ages in the mail today and i was reading through it and somthing hit me...

"the invention of the golden snitch is credited to the wizard bowman wright og godric 's hollow. while quidditch teams all over the country tried to find bird substitutes for the snidget, wright, who was a skilled metal-charmer, set himself to the task of creating a ball that mimicked the behavior and flight patterns of the snidget. that he suceeded perfectly is clear from the many rolls of parchment he left behind him on his death (NOW IN THE POSSESION OF A PRIVATE COLLECTOR), listing the orders that he recieved from all over the country. the golden snitch, as bowman called his invention was a walnut sized ball exactly the same weight of a snidget." QUIDDITCH THROUGH THE AGES PG 14

did voldy play quidditch????? ok he was a modle student who was good at everything it is a good possibility that he played quidditch. also there are quite a few similarities between voldy and harry and it is stated that harrys dad was a chaser so maybe harry got his seeker skills (like parsle tounge) from voldy???????

so what i am thinking is maybe those rolls of parchment (that were bragging of the wizards greatness in creating and selling a ton of golden snitches making him rich) are one of the horcruxes!! if voldy was good at and liked quidditch it is a good possibility that he would use those rolls for horcruxes they are the type of thing he would use... somthing from the inventor of the golden snitch the greatest wizard game ever

so being that harry already said that he was going back to godrics hollow (the place where the snitch was invented) maybe he will stumble upon a horcruxe there????
harry_potter0524
""[[[[ [It seems that each of the horcruxes we know about has been revealed in one of the 6 books. Perhaps each horcrux will be revealed in each book:
Book 1 = Voldemort's Soul
Book 2 = Riddle's Diary (destroyed)
Book 3 = ?
Book 4 = Voldemort's snake, Nagini
Book 5 = The Locket in Sirius's house
Book 6 = Marvolo's ring (destroyed)
Book 7 = ? ]]]]""



to me this is a very god theory!
although i dont think its in the shreiking shack.

but i think that voldemort knew that one day, dumbledore would find his horcruxes,
so he probably tried to throw him off
so what im saying is i dont think that hufflepuffs cup is a horcrux

but it could be any thing from the third book
many many things were revealed and many things introduced in the third book
these are things that we first saw in the third book
there are alot more but here are a couple:

the time-turner,
buckbeak,
hippogriffs,
sirius black, (the only family left to harry)
wormtail,
moony,
padfoot,
prongs,
the maurader's map,
a boggart,
Hogsmead,
dementors,
lupin,
the patronus charm,
the firebolt,

and alot more

((if you know anymore add to the list!!))

so a horcrux could be in any of these places or be any of these things or have something to do with any of these things

but i like the theory[in blue]
because after all it is a book
if jk did do that,
she did because she wanted to
it has nothing to do with the plot of the book

smile.gif

and for the seventh horcrux,
its not introduced yet right??
lol
bch1993
Has anyone thought about the Goblet of Fire? The sorting hat (even though it probably isn't a horucrux) belonged to Gryffindor. It seems logical that a important item such as the goblet of fire belongs to one of the founders.
aberforth_rocks_my_socks
Haven't read these 51 pages so I'm not sure if this has been discussed but could LV's wand be a horcrux? Is that a possibility? Maybe James really was a decendent of GG and his wand was passed down to him and LV turned James' wans into a horcrux. These are extremely far-fetched but I like putting new ideas on the table just to get the brain going and see what people say.
Phoenix_1
QUOTE(aberforth_rocks_my_socks @ Jul 16 2007, 11:48 AM) [snapback]413140[/snapback]

could LV's wand be a horcrux? Is that a possibility? Maybe James really was a decendent of GG and his wand was passed down to him and LV turned James' wans into a horcrux. These are extremely far-fetched but I like putting new ideas on the table just to get the brain going and see what people say.


Wait a second, whose wand are you talking about?? Voldemort's or James's??
Either way, I don't think so...Because in GoF, when the Priori Incantatem happened, I guess that the spell for the Horcrux should've appeared and it didn't.
I've read about the single wand at Ollivander's being a Horcrux, though.
Well, Harry is not a descendent of Godric Gryffindor, I came across this extract of an interview to JKR the other day:
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MA: What about Harry's family - his grandparents - were they killed?
JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.
MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.
JKR: [Pause] Yeah. Well - yeah.
MA: Another one bites the dust.


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It seems that each of the horcruxes we know about has been revealed in one of the 6 books. Perhaps each horcrux will be revealed in each book:
Book 1 = Voldemort's Soul
Book 2 = Riddle's Diary (destroyed)
Book 3 = ?
Book 4 = Voldemort's snake, Nagini
Book 5 = The Locket in Sirius's house
Book 6 = Marvolo's ring (destroyed)
Book 7 = ?

It makes sense... but I remember reading once-I don't know if it was in this thread or other- that the Horcruxes had already "appeared" through the 6 books but; of course, as we didn't know about them until we read HBP, we can only guess which ones are they...



aberforth_rocks_my_socks
But do we know that it is a wand spell that creates a horcrux? As far as I know we really have no idea how they are made and it seems just as likely for it to be created without a wand or with a potion or something along those lines. If it does require a wand then your point is definately correct and it would even give us more help knowing what the horcrux is because we know it would have to have been created after he came back in the graveyard otherwise we would have seen it come out of his wand. If he used nagini and the murder of the old man in his dad's house to make the final horcrux like many people think then that would mean that the horcrux is made without a wand spell. Did that all make sense? So much to think about with so little time left to think.
Phoenix_1
You're right, we don't know if a Horcrux is made with a wand spell...I only guessed because it is very advanced, dark magic, and it wouldn't make sense for it to be made by accident or randomly. My mistake, I should've said it was me guessing rolleyes.gif , sorry...
Well, Voldemort didn't use Nagini to kill Frank Bryce, because he could use his wand already...and he did use it:
"...There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumpled. He was dead before he hit the floor."
Plus, when the Priori Incantatem was performed, the second form that appeared (after Cedric's) was Frank Bryce's.
And we don't know when exactly did Voldemort make the final Horcrux...
For all we know, they can be made at any time; mind you, Tom had at least 3 murders under his belt before making his first Horcrux...
muzzy
I really think that one of the horcruxes is something of Gryffindor's. bch1993 is right...the Sorting Hat did belong to Gryffindor. So, dumbledore was wrong when he said was the only known relic...why couldn't there be more?
aberforth_rocks_my_socks
Sorry pheonix i think you misunderstood my post it was probably pretty unclear. What I was saying is if we are assuming that the wand would have shown the horcrux spell if it had happened but didn't then that means either LV created the final horcrux before killing the potters or after the graveyard because we saw all the spells he performed in between those times. I assume that DD was right when he said LV had not created the final one before going to the potters so that means that either the final one was not created until after he came back in the graveyard or the production of a horcrux does not involve anything that would show up in the priori inc. Does that make sense?
Phoenix_1
QUOTE(aberforth_rocks_my_socks @ Jul 16 2007, 07:41 PM) [snapback]413429[/snapback]

Sorry pheonix i think you misunderstood my post it was probably pretty unclear. What I was saying is if we are assuming that the wand would have shown the horcrux spell if it had happened but didn't then that means either LV created the final horcrux before killing the potters or after the graveyard because we saw all the spells he performed in between those times. I assume that DD was right when he said LV had not created the final one before going to the potters so that means that either the final one was not created until after he came back in the graveyard or the production of a horcrux does not involve anything that would show up in the priori inc. Does that make sense?


Of course it makes sense; that's exactly what I think
Dumbledore thought that, in the night the Potter's died, Voldemort wanted to make Harry his sixth Horcrux...and as he didn't expect the Avada Kedavra curse to backfire -and we know what happened next-
I think that he didn't make a Horcrux, he just wasn't strong enough...he was mere "vapour"...so I don't think it was possible for that weak piece of soul to divide...at least not at that time. Plus, the process of making a Horcux is part of very advanced and dark magic, and for that I'm sure that you need power.
Then, after Frank Bryce's death and Bertha Jorkins's we know that Lord Voldemort was stronger - at least strong enough to hold a wand and perform spells- but, as we also know, the Horcruxes don't necessarily need to be made right after you kill someone.
The only thing Dumbledore says about the "last Horcrux" (Nagini) is that Voldemort probably made it after he killed Bryce, but my guess is that Voldemort waited until he regained his body and his power to make that last Horcrux.
The Priori Incantatem is supposed to show every spell the wand performed backwards...in GoF showed a form of Wormtail's new hand.
Let's say that-hypothetically- Voldemort's wand is a Horcrux, when do you think he made it??I'm just curious biggrin.gif
aberforth_rocks_my_socks
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QUOTE(aberforth_rocks_my_socks @ Jul 16 2007, 07:41 PM) [snapback]413429[/snapback]

Sorry pheonix i think you misunderstood my post it was probably pretty unclear. What I was saying is if we are assuming that the wand would have shown the horcrux spell if it had happened but didn't then that means either LV created the final horcrux before killing the potters or after the graveyard because we saw all the spells he performed in between those times. I assume that DD was right when he said LV had not created the final one before going to the potters so that means that either the final one was not created until after he came back in the graveyard or the production of a horcrux does not involve anything that would show up in the priori inc. Does that make sense?


Of course it makes sense; that's exactly what I think
Dumbledore thought that, in the night the Potter's died, Voldemort wanted to make Harry his sixth Horcrux...and as he didn't expect the Avada Kedavra curse to backfire -and we know what happened next-
I think that he didn't make a Horcrux, he just wasn't strong enough...he was mere "vapour"...so I don't think it was possible for that weak piece of soul to divide...at least not at that time. Plus, the process of making a Horcux is part of very advanced and dark magic, and for that I'm sure that you need power.
Then, after Frank Bryce's death and Bertha Jorkins's we know that Lord Voldemort was stronger - at least strong enough to hold a wand and perform spells- but, as we also know, the Horcruxes don't necessarily need to be made right after you kill someone.
The only thing Dumbledore says about the "last Horcrux" (Nagini) is that Voldemort probably made it after he killed Bryce, but my guess is that Voldemort waited until he regained his body and his power to make that last Horcrux.
The Priori Incantatem is supposed to show every spell the wand performed backwards...in GoF showed a form of Wormtail's new hand.
Let's say that-hypothetically- Voldemort's wand is a Horcrux, when do you think he made it??I'm just curious biggrin.gif


Well put. Before this discussion I was a firm believer in DD being correct and Nagini being a horcrux but now I feel completely the opposite. The only reason Nagini really seemed likely is becuase that is the only thing that was really there when Frank Bryce was murdered. But now that we have decided (at least in our personal theories here we have decided) that he must have made the final horcrux AFTER regaining his body then he would have had limitless options. With the DEs back at his disposal he could have gotten his hands on just about any treasure he wanted to make the final horcrux out of. Back to the drawing board. I still think LV's wand seems like it would make a good one especially because of its connection to Fawkes. It just seems like a connection that has come up numerous times and I think will be most important of all in the final book.
Phoenix_1
I haven't ruled out Nagini of my Horcrux list, but I definitely been thinking about the fact that Dumbledore wasn't 100% sure about it being a Horcrux, so I started thinking "what if that 'final Horcrux' is something else?"
Well, the wand could be a Horcrux, but I still don't have enough convincing reasons to believe so.
Prodfoot
Wow. I never thought that Voldemort's wand could possibly be a horcrux. But now that I think about it, it isn't imposible. But I don't think that Voldemort would have one of his horcruxes so unprotected and out there. It would be more heavily guarded.

I think that the tiara mentioned in the Room of Requirment when Harry needs a place to hide his potions book (page 527, HBP) is a horcrux. I believe that Rowena Ravenclaw owned it at one time. Why else would there be a tiara? Voldemort made it into a horcrux, them either ordered one of his minionsto hide it there. Or R.A.B. found out that it was a horcrux, stole it, and then hid it in the ROR.

QUOTE

Would he be able to find this spot again? Seizing the chipped bust of an ugly old warlock from on top of a nearby crate, he stood on top of the cupboard where the book was now hidden, perched a dusty old wig and a tarnished tiar on the statue's head to make it more distinctive... .
page 527, US HBP

~Prod
Phoenix_1
Prodfoot, we've actually been discussing the tiara in the Room of Requirement...let me tell you that I think it could be a Horcrux; still there are some things about it that doesn't make me feel completely confident...
For example, if it is a Horcrux, and Voldemort wanted to hide it in Hogwarts- to my mind- the Room of Requirement would be the perfect place; not only because not everybody knows about it, and it can show different things to different people; but also, taken that the room itself is located on the seventh floor, and the number seven has a particular meaning in the wizarding world - and we know it is highly meaningful to Voldemort too- why having another piece of soul that unprotected???
Now, don't get me wrong, Hogwarts was secured by Dumbledore with ancient magic, it is a very safe place indeed...but the tiara in the Room of Requirement could be found by anyone just by mistake...At least the diary had a purpose...get my point?? biggrin.gif
There's another fact that is quite weird...Why Dumbledore- knowing all the ancient magic he knew, as evidenced in the cave, for instance- never realised about it being right under his nose???
muzzy
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aberforth_rocks_my_socks Posted Jul 16 2007, 06:41 PM
Sorry pheonix i think you misunderstood my post it was probably pretty unclear. What I was saying is if we are assuming that the wand would have shown the horcrux spell if it had happened but didn't then that means either LV created the final horcrux before killing the potters or after the graveyard because we saw all the spells he performed in between those times. I assume that DD was right when he said LV had not created the final one before going to the potters so that means that either the final one was not created until after he came back in the graveyard or the production of a horcrux does not involve anything that would show up in the priori inc. Does that make sense?


It makes sense...because the priori inc. does not show every spell the wand had done. Remember, Voldemort had used the Cruciatus and Imperius Curse on harry before the prior incantatem occured...also, wormtail obviously used LV's wand to kill Cedric, so he probably had used the wand for other things before that...which leads me to believe that the prior inc. only shows spells that yielded a physical effect (i.e. dead people, silver hands, the dark mark). and I don't think anyone would say that the soul, and the process of splitting it, is the least bit physical.
which means that LV could have made the horcrux anytime.
aberforth_rocks_my_socks
I may be wrong on this because I don't have the book with me right now but I thought I remembered it saying something about hearing screams coming from the wand for a few seconds also which I assume would be showing the cruiciatus curse on Harry. I think I remember that happening but I may have just made that up based off of something else similar or hear say or something. Next time I'm near the book I'll read that part to see.
Phoenix_1
aberforth_rocks_my_socks, you're right, it says:
"More screams of pain from the wand...and then something else emegred from its tip..."
And I guess that the "reverse spell effect" or Priori Incantatem if you wish, does show every spell the wand performed, Dumbledore said that " 'One of the wands will force the other to regurgitate spells it has performed-in reverse... '"
PUNJABI
i had theory going on that maybe when lord voldermort attacked harry's parents and tried to kill harry. but he was killed doing this. he survived because of one of the horcruxes. Doing so he actually used up that one horcrux!!!!.
Ajax557
This is a little of subjecty from what ya'll are talking about, but I wanted to hear what people thought of this.

I was reading the HBP recently and I was wondering if the cursed necklace that almost killed Katie Bell could be the locket Horcrux. After R.A.B found it, he could have sold it to Burgin and Burkes because he thought it would be too expensive to buy and he hoped no one would want to buy a neclace that could kill you. Borgin and Burkes has meaning to Voldemort just like the Cave and Hogwarts does.

What do ya'll think?
psychoticinferno
It's a theory, but why would he and or subtract anything from the locket? Those who go into that store go in there for magical antiques and such, not here I just made this you want it for ten galleons, you know?
darthsith19
I think that Harry is a Horcrux, not Nagini. Dumbledore says that Voldemort put a piece of himself in Harry when he tried to kill him. Plus he was going to make the final Horcrux with the death of the Potters, but when the spell backfires and Voldemort put a piece of himself inside Harry, the piece could have been a piece of soul... which may already be destroyed, because Lily's love killed it! Maybe.
Phoenix_1
QUOTE(Ajax557 @ Jul 19 2007, 04:27 PM) [snapback]415532[/snapback]

This is a little of subjecty from what ya'll are talking about, but I wanted to hear what people thought of this.

I was reading the HBP recently and I was wondering if the cursed necklace that almost killed Katie Bell could be the locket Horcrux. After R.A.B found it, he could have sold it to Burgin and Burkes because he thought it would be too expensive to buy and he hoped no one would want to buy a neclace that could kill you. Borgin and Burkes has meaning to Voldemort just like the Cave and Hogwarts does.

What do ya'll think?


No, is not.
I thought the same thing when I first read HBP...One is a cursed necklace (made of opals) that had a "greenish glitter" ...it didn't have a locket, though.
Whereas the other- the Horcrux- is just a locket, not a necklace...it is said:
"There upon the crimson velvet lay a heavy locket"
Merope - LV's mother - sold the locket to Mr. Borgin for a very low price. Then Hepzibah Smith bought it from Mr. Borgin and after Ms. Smith's death noone knew anything else about Hufflepuff's cup or Slytherin's locket.
hewho1221
What if Harry's scar is more than a scar and a horcruxe? It would make sence because Voldemort was very keen on fofilling the prophicy. And now he is trying to despretly kill Harry so that he has the scar as a true horcruxe.
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