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Okay then...on with the show!

Huge thanks to savingharry for compiling this summary for us!
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I would like to thank missmugglebethany, El Barto, and kyp for their assistance in writing this compilation. Also, I would like to thank hp6 and Albus Dumbledore for letting me quote them.

First, let's start with a note about what we know IS NOT a horcrux: the sorting hat.

JK Rowling has said so herself on her website:


I repeat: JK Rowling has said the sorting hat IS NOT a horcrux! So don't post saying that it is unless you believe Rowling is making such a statement to throw us off of the trail.

That being said, there are six horcruxes in total. Remember, the seventh piece of soul is within Voldemort himself.

Soul pieces we can identify:
1. Voldemort himself
2. Gaunt's Ring (destroyed)
3. Riddle's Diary (destroyed)
4. Slytherin's Locket (taken by RAB)

Dumbledore says that the three other pieces of soul are as follows:
5. Hufflepuff's Goblet
6. Nagini
7. Something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's

This of course, remains to be confirmed. However, theories abound as to what the final three horcruxes could be.

Horcrux Suggestions

The following have been suggested as potential horcruxes. Arguments for and against are listed, and writers of the theories are noted. I have not included for or against on the Goblet, because general consensus is that it is a horcrux.

Gryffindor's Sword
For: by savingharry
Dumbledore has been known to have been wrong in the past, and even admits himself that he makes mistakes. We do not know where the sword came from before it came out of the sorting hat. It might have been in Dumbledore’s possession before that point, but we do not see it in the office on the first visit into the office. Only on the second, after the defeat of the basilisk in the CoS. So it could have been magiced from any place. Perhaps Voldemort gained access to wherever it was magiced from before the events of book 2.

Against: by missmugglebethany
There is a simple reason why Godric Gryffindor's sword can be ruled out. In Half Blood Prince, pg. 505 of the deluxe version American copy, Dumbledore says the following: "I am confident, however that the only known relic of Gryffindor remains safe.' Dumbledore pointed his blackened fingers to the wall behind him, where a ruby-encrusted sword reposed within a glass case."

In Order of the Phoenix, in the beginning when Lupin, Sirius, and the rest that were there giving the rundown on what the order was doing Lupin says, "Dumbledore's shrewd ideas normally turn out to be accurate." In Half Blood Prince, Lupin, Harry, and Mr. Weasley are talking. Lupin can be quoted saying the following: "People have said it, many times. It comes down to whether or not you trust Dumbledore’s judgment. I do."
Dumbledore firmly believed that the sword has been kept safe, and furthermore is not a horcrux. So we should trust Dumbledore and also believe that the sword is not a horcrux.

Nagini
For: by savingharry
The reasons for Nagini being a horcrux seem to be similar to those of missmugglebethany's reasons for Gryffindor not being one. Basically, Dumbledore said it was one. He's the greatest wizard of his age. He's worth trusting. Also, if Voldemort had found a sixth object to use when killing Harry, the object might have been destroyed or be unretreavable now, and Voldemort would be forced to use what was available.

Against: by savingharry
The reasons against it are also similar to the reasons for the sword. Dumbledore has been known to be wrong. Also, putting horcruxes in living things is tricky, and Voldemort might not have wanted to risk it. A further question would be, if Voldemort had found an object to turn into the final horcrux (when he was going to kill Harry the first time), why would he have not simply retrieved it, using it to make the final horcrux? Wouldn’t that be better than a live snake?

The tiara that Mrs. Weasley is letting Fleur use in the wedding
For: by savingharry
The tiara at the end of HBP being a horcrux comes up again every so often. A lot of the theory seems to be based upon misinformation, however. To understand any of this, it is first important to remember that Molly, despite being in Gryffindor, is a Prewett by birth, and thus might be a descendent of Ravenclaw. The first reasoning behind this is that the Prewetts are normally in Ravenclaw. I have actually not found anything anywhere that says this, other than forum posts. The origin of this claim might be that the Prewett family crest (in genealogy studies) has a raven on it, and that the family motto refers to a raven. The second reason behind the tiara being Ravenclaw's is that the Grey Lady, the Ravenclaw ghost, wears a tiara. However, we are not told this in the books at all. In the short references to the grey lady in the book, there is no mention of a tiara. Likewise, the Grey Lady in the films does not wear a tiara. The third reason behind this is that the tiara is goblin made. The argument is that, because Flitwick, the Ravenclaw head-of-house, is part goblin. This last part is true, and can be verified in the extras section of jkrowling.com. Related to this theory is that the tiara in the Room of Requirement in HBP is this tiara.

Against: by savingharry
The major problem with this theory is its lack of evidence. Most of the things used to make this claim are not verifiable fact. The only real verifiable fact is that of Flitwick's origin, and his relation to the tiara's origin seems to be very superficial. Ravenclaw lived hundreds of years before Flitwick was born, so his being in Ravenclaw's house seems to be of no relevance to his being part goblin, unless he is actually a descendent of Ravenclaw. Also, all good silver is goblin-made in the wizarding world. For example, the cups with the black family crest. Flitwick's being part-goblin and Ravenclaw head of hosue seems to be mere coincidence. As well, it does not seem to make sense for the Prewetts to be in possession of a horcrux. How would Voldemort have come into possession of it from the Prewetts? And how did it fall back into their hands again?

Hogwarts
For: by missmugglebethany
Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus
"A sleeping dragon [is] never to be tickled/poked." Those are the words inscribed on the school crest of Hogwarts. Hogwarts is the closest thing to love Voldemort ever know. Voldemort tried to put his dark influences in the school. Dumbledore denied him that. Putting his soul in something that Dumbledore and so many of his enemies treasured would be a huge trophy for him.

There are little hints throughout the book about Tom Riddle, his connection to Hogwarts, and how he would want items that are grand and with deep magical history. Dumbledore says that he believes that Voldemort may not have gotten something from Gryffindor because that the only known relic is known to be safe, so what would be better than taking the school as a whole? Salazar left the school because of his conflict with Godric concerning the admittance of muggle-born students. Salazar left mad. What better homage to the great Salazar than to take the school back. As long as it stands, true evil will prevail.

Some say that Dumbledore would know Hogwarts is a horcrux. Not necessarily. Dumbledore is not completely aware of evil lurking in the school. Remember, he didn’t know that Voldemort himself was in the castle attached to Quirell. As well, the diary was in the building, and that was a horcrux.

Against: by savingharry
There are several arguments against Hogwarts being a horcrux. The first argument is that the school might simply be too big to be a horcrux. Albus Dumbledore once asked that, if it were possible to make such a large item a horcrux, "Why not make the earth itself a horcrux for then you would never have to worry about it?" A second argument against Hogwarts being a horcrux is that the method for destroying a horcrux altering or destroying them. Either of these destruction methods might argue against Hogwarts as a horcrux. First, as hp6 says, if a horcrux is destroyed when altered, "then every time the staircases change then the horcrux is ruined, or a staff member is changed or a new plant is planted and so on." Secondly, if the school must be destroyed in order for the horcrux to be destroyed, then no one could go on to teach. Jo has already said that one of the students becomes a teacher at Hogwarts. Unless this happens before Voldemort is defeated, then Hogwarts will reopen and not be destroyed.

Horcrux Theories

The following are general theories about the horcruxes that come up. Things detracting from the theory are included when applicable. I apologize for the length of the "4 horcrux" theory. It is a fairly complicated subject, and so the topic was unusually long.

The locket in OotP was Slytherin's locket
By savingharry
Many people believe that Regulus Black is RAB. That would mean that Regulus was in possession of a horcrux, specifically Slytherin’s locket. In the Black House cleaning section of OotP, pg. 116, it says "...until Ginny had the sense to slam the lid shut; also a heavy locket that none of them could open, a number of ancient seals..." It has been theorized that this was actually slytherin's locket. If this was actually Slytherin's locket, then it could now be in one of several places. First, it could simply be in the trash or somewhere still in the house. Second, it could be in the possession of Kreacher, who "rescued" several items that were supposed to be thrown away. Third, it could be in possession of Mundungus, who stole several items from the Black house. Finally, it could be in the possession of Aberforth Dumbledore, Albus's brother and the barman at the Hog's Head. He was seen purchasing stolen Black family items from Mundungus in the street.

Horcruxes try to posses people
By savingharry
The theory behind horcrux possession has its roots in the only horcrux we have actually seen in action, the diary. Though the diary was, admittedly, unusual, the theory is that all horcruxes act similar to it, specifically, that it feeds off of the souls of others. The diary tried to bring Voldemort back to life out of the piece of soul in the book. The theory is that other horcruxes do the same. The ring, for example, was (according to this theory) attempting to feed off of Dumbledore’s soul, and that was why Dumbledore's arm was dead. Dumbledore had to kill his hand to destroy the part of the soul that had attempted to feed off of and take possession of his hand.

There are only 4 horcruxes left
By savingharry
The theory behind this is that Voldemort "used up" one horcrux when he died the first time (when he tried to kill harry). The piece of soul in one of the horcruxes was released and that is where "Vapormort," Voldemort without a body, came from. In this theory, horcruxes are "one-time-use only" items. Thus, with one horcrux used up and the ring and the diary destroyed, there are only 4 horcruxes left.

However, from what I can tell, a horcrux operates as a sort of anchor for the soul. By having a horcrux, not all of the soul can go on, as part of the soul remains hidden and safe. So the entire soul remains on earth, both the piece in the horcrux and the piece released when the person dies. Vapormort, in this case, is the piece of soul that was released from Voldemort’s body. The horcrux retains its soul piece, and is reusable for as long as the horcrux remains safe. Because of this, only one horcrux is needed to keep a person’s soul safe. Proof of this is the fact that no one, before Voldemort, thought of making more than one horcrux. Wouldn’t anyone willing to make one want more if they were used up on use like an extra life in a video game? Also, Riddle's diary seemed to be unaware of the path of its alter-ego after the time it was created. Remember that Ginny told it about Voldemort and Harry. Voldemort, however, knew about his own death and the events that preceded it. So that soul piece is the piece of soul that was in Voldemort before.

Why seven then? Voldemort split his soul into seven pieces (6 horcruxes and himself) because seven is the most magical number. Take the following:

----V----
-/-----\--
H------H-
|-------|-
H------H-
-\-----/--
---H-H---

Here, the peak is Voldemort himself, with the six other pieces as the six horcruxes. This makes a ring of seven that work together, magically strengthening the bonds between them, making the entire ring stronger. That is the purpose of Voldemort's seven horcruxes.

Horcrux hiding places relate to where they were taken from
By El Barto
Is there a significance between the Horcruxes and their finding places? Let's take, for example, the ones we currently know about (the locket, diary, Hufflepuff's goblet, and ring). The locket was found in a cave, hidden from the world, and shrouded in seemingly endless darkness and an unearthly green glow, with the dead likewise hidden from view the surface of the water which surround the small island on which it remained within a basin. Perhaps it shows that Voldemort, who fears love which a locket may represent, was placed in such a place which offers none. The diary wasn't necessarily found anywhere (wasn't in a hidden location), but what it represents is what may catch someone’s attention. People can write their secret thoughts and desires within the diary, relaying your emotions to what you think is an object that won’t judge you. Thus, it represents another place to shun love from the public, or if not love, then any emotion whatsoever. The goblet may be a bit tricky. A goblet can represent a fallacy, such as drinking, or something greater, like the Holy Grail. Perhaps the goblet is the ultimate representation of the hope of eternal life for Voldemort (and can potentially be found anywhere). The ring was found in the Gaunt House, and represents the strength of a family that has lasted several generation (or the crest, rather). Can the other Horcruxes be found in a similar fashion, symbolizing a long lost emotion or a strengthened, yet arrogant characteristic?

Each horcrux is taken from a different book
by kyp and savingharry
It seems that each of the horcruxes we know about has been revealed in one of the 6 books. Perhaps each horcrux will be revealed in each book:
Book 1 = Voldemort's Soul
Book 2 = Riddle's Diary (destroyed)
Book 3 = ?
Book 4 = Voldemort's snake, Nagini
Book 5 = The Locket in Sirius's house
Book 6 = Marvolo's ring (destroyed)
Book 7 = ?
This would mean that either one of the two remaining objects, either Hufflepuff's cup or the unknown object, or perhaps their location (such as the shrieking shack), would have been revealed in book 3.

The problem with this theory is that Hufflepuff's cup, if it is, indeed, a horcrux (and I see no reason to believe it is not), then it had to have been revealed in book 3, because you can’t say it was revealed in book 7, as we heard about it in book 6. I do not remember a cup casually mentioned in book 3 in the shrieking shack or anywhere else. So I do not see how this would work, in that sense. As well, the idea the shrieking shack as a horcrux location seems unlikely to me, because it would have needed to have been after Lupin left school, which was only 2 years before voldemort's downfall. I doubt Voldemort would have been able to have gotten so close to Hogwarts with Dumbledore as headmaster.

Remaining Horcrux Masterlist

This is the Masterlist of every suggestion I have found for horcruxes remaining to be identified.

What Dumbledore thinks is a horcrux:
Hufflepuff's Goblet
Nagini

Popular suggestions:
Harry Potter (or Harry's scar)
Gryffindor's Sword
Mrs. Weasley's tiara
Hogwarts
Mirror of Erised
Tom Riddle's Award for Special Service to the School
The Potters' graves in Godric’s Hollow
Godric Gryffindor's grave or a monument to him in Godric's Hollow
Something else from Godric's Hollow
Riddle's Wand
DADA office

Other suggestions:
Something in the Room of Requirement
Someone other than Harry (Quirrel, Ginny, Snape)
Tri-wizard cup
Cursed Necklace from Borgin and Burke's
Tom Riddle Sr.'s body/grave
Harry's Invisibility cloak
The Riddle house
One of the trophies taken while at the orphanage
Basilisk from the Chamber of Secrets
Harry's wand
Wormtail's silver hand
Sirius's motorcycle
One of the Two-way mirrors
Something Belonging to Moaning Myrtle
The Whomping Willow (though it was planted after Voldemort left school)
Tapestry containing Black Family History

Couldn't of the horexs be his fathers grave sincealot seems to happen there and The Dark Lord hates his father and so far the grave has played a key like where Harry Fought The Dark Lord And where The Dark Lord was reborn!!

It couldn't realy be a person since every on is in danger I mean he tried to kill harry and Giny (third book) and he treats worm tail like dirt so why would he give something to him and the necklace was given to Draco imean he cant seriosly be giving his hand to a student at Hogwarts Dumbledore might figure out and the Baslik is dead! And why didn't he try and get the Gryfindor sord from harry in the Third book! And why would he realy have made the mirror a Horrex when it could break easly and Dumbledore has it wouldn't he be worried!

This summary is realy great! I think that if Horcruxes posess the people than Harry isn`t one of them for sure because nothing of this wouldn`t happend that he or some of his friends were posessed.And the Riddle`s house we can excuse too because the ring was found there and I think Voldemort wouldn`t put two Horcruxes at the same place. Either he would Dumbledore was there and he would recover and destroy it.

Thanks, I'm glad it helps. Oh, by the way, Voldemort put a horcrux in the gaunt house, not the riddle house. However, I agree that dumbledore must have looked there. It is pretty obvious as a place to look.

Horcrux could be anything according to dumbledore so why couldnt the horcrux be.... the hogwarts shield tom had recieved for special services to the school for figuring out the mystery of chamber of secrets
I think there is a possibility cause it is veeery valuable to him!
i think it could be and see people if in 7th book i would be right please first think that it was poltergiest who found out first!!

Have had this thought for awhile and one have not had the chance to reread the opening chapter in the GoF lately nor did I read all of the past threads. So I will apologize if I am repeating.
Who actually casted the AK curse to kill the caretaker? Peter kills Cedric on LV order in the graveyard using LVs wand. But did LV kill the caretaker himself? If he did not and Peter did then that would negate the Nagini Horocrux theory. Also LV tells the DEs that his possesing of snakes shortened there lives. If Nagini was a horocrux would that not also shorten her life?
Another thought hads also occurred to me as far as the actual creation of a horocrux. Dd assumes that LV made them, he assumes that the diary was one and that the ring was one, we never heard the story of what happened. LV has come off as over confident at times, could it be possible that there actually no horocruxes. That what LV thought he was doing did not work. Its a stretch but could the whole horocrux hunt just be wild goose chase for Harry.

to quickly clear up your question, it was in fact LV that killed Frank Bryce that night. He asks wormtail to invite him in, and then to turn him around to greet his visitor, i believe, now this is from memory, that Bryce hears a high, cold voice yell "avada kadavra" which would lead to evidence that LV did the murder that night.

~Albus

Voldemort killed Frank Bryce and Wormtail killed both the ministry witch and Cedric, the latter on Voldemort's orders and with his wand. If Nagini was a horcrux then yes, in theory it would shorten her life but it may be that Voldemort found some way of preventing this happening or perhaps it doesn't because it's a dormant piece of soul and Naginin is merely carrying it around, it's not doing anything, when Voldemort was previously possessing snakes they would have been conscious to his presence and he may have been able to make them do certain things while this may not be the case with Nagini if she is indeed a horcrux.
If Voldemort hadn't created the horcruxes then there would be no way that he wasn't killed the night he tried to murder Harry so they must exist, thus negating the "wild goose chase" theory, sorry. Don't think Jo would do that too us anyway, far too evil of her.

Very good summary!
I think another Horcrux suggestion could be Rowena Ravenclaw's wand. As suggested, one Horcrux will be something of Ravenclaw, another something of Gryffindor. I just can't think what would be of a Gryffindor Horcrux.

Thank you for clearing up the Frank Bryce death, however I still doubt the Nagini is a horcrux, not wise to use a living creature nor would I consider her a trophy. As far as the wild goose chase, Lv took many steps and experimented on himself to become immortal, his loss of body on the failed AK does not mean a horocrux existed or worked properly.
The Soul needs a body or object to encase it. I guess I am looking at the horocrux concept as Body + Soul = the whole. So harry has to find 7 bodies that each contain part of 1 soul.

Now looking at what happens to victims of the AK in the books, the body has been left intact leaving no signs of physical damage, as if the soul has been removed, we are left with just the shell. LV on the otherhand looses his body when the rebounded AK hits him, the opposite of all the other characters. If he has parts of his souls scatttered throught out the land, his body sould have stayed intact and then he would need away to put a piece of his soul back into it?

One particular question that keeps niggling at me is; why did the diary horcrux show a picture or image of voldemort when he was at school??? Why not just a general picture of voldemort how he was at the time when harry was in his 2nd year at hogwarts?? Perhaps it shows him as 17(?) because thats how old he was when he made that particular horcrux, in which case, if all horcrux's are able to present a similar image then perhaps it will help harry in destroying them??? Not sure about this and yes i know its a confusing topic (sorry!) but its really annoying me! Why give voldemort a particular age in book 2, it must mean something. And no it cant just be to the enhancement of the storyline in that particular book. Overall it must have some meaning i think. Anyone any thoughts???

the reason it's tom riddle at school is because he wanted to reopen the chamber. he preserved his memories from hogwarts in that diary so when the time came to open the chamber the nice liked tom that didnt seem like a threat at the time would show through. if volde came popping out of that book most everybody would know the true motives of the diary. so thats why i think that his younger self was put in the diary.

[font=Arial Black]Since I read about the horcruxes the first thing that came into my mind was Voldemort's award for special services to the school. That is a good theory and personally I think that the night he went to school to talk to Dumbledore was just to put a horcrux on the trophy.[size=5]

i doubt that the trophy would be horcrux, but good theory. if it was a horcrux, wouldn't it be guarded with enchantments as with the ring and the locket? I don't know, but i think it would need to be guarded better than that. i could be wrong though.

i'm not too sure if someone has already said this, but i believe that the archway with the veil in the DoM is one of voldemort's horcruxs. voldemort himself says repeadedly in GoF that he has never died before.. and that he has conquered death or something right? well wouldn't that be a very important accomplishment for him.. and dont you think that he would want to make a horcrux because of it? i think so. i'm not too sure but i think dumbledore himself mentions something about a death room in the DoM and that was the room that Sirius died in (i'm not too sure but i think i recall Dumbledore saying something like that.) well if that room itself represents death, and voldemort has overcome death, i think voldemort would want to make the archway a horcrux. i'm not too sure if this all makes complete sense but the archway and veil really stood out and seemd significant to me in OotP. what do you think?

I think that the trophey theory was good well done!

so weve got horcruxes:diary;ring;locket;cup;nagini and voldermorts part in himself.

One missing, come to think of it why did voldermort offer lily potter the choice of living, i mean isn't he supposed to be so evil that he isnt bothered who he kills to get to his prize in this case harry. I mean he's never offered anyone else the choice has he? In the books it is never metioned that anyone visits harrys parents' graves except harry in book 6 so maybey something in godrics hollow is one.

I'm thinking maybey he had a thing for lily but now im just being silly

I don't know if anyone else already mentioned this, because I didn't feel like reading through the 100 pages or so on this topic. I also don't know if this is the correct place to post it...

Anyway, I just finished reading HBP for the zillionth time and this thought occured to me when I read about the parchment which the mysterious RAB had placed with the locket... It says he has stolen te real horcrux and intends to destroy it as soon as he can...
So what if this horcrux really is DESTROYED already?? Then there are only three other horcruxes to be destroyed. It would make the challenge a little bit easier...

Has anyone ever thought about this or am I just making things up....??

(PS. I hope my english is readable, coming form Holland )

i can understand your english perfectly. and yes that is a good thought, he could have destroyed it, it also could be the locket that they tried to open in order of the phoenix, kreacher could have it or mundungus could have stolen it. but yes there is that possiblity that he really did destroy it. and as for posting this is the perfect place to post that. if you dont want to read hundreds of posts read the first on on this thread. we just recently summerized all those posts into one post. but anyway welcome to veritaserum
as for the special service award not being one.i personally dont think it is but i could be. its a great disquise. no one would expect it. so it really wouldnt need protection, would it.
happy posting

ok slytherin xo, i'm going to add to that theory, what if LV threw a horcrux into the veil? it would be a pretty dangerous stunt since you could potentially die. I don't know maybe I'm way off on this.

i would support your theory hpalltheway, except that if voldemort ever needed to go get his horcrux, he would die going through the veil to get it (if the veiled archway really does kill you.) other than that i think thats a really good idea.

nagini is not a horcrux voldemort is too smart to make a living creature a horcrux so theres an extra horcrux we need to find.

I don't think Nagini is a Horcrux. Jk herself has said something about the Sorting Hat and not being a Horcrux, because Horcruxes don't sing in front of the whole school... Well, I know it isn't probable that Nagini will sing in front of school, but the meanings are the same I think. You just don't make a Horcrux out of something which can think by himself. It's way to dangerous. And also, how long does a snake normally live?? Isn't it possible the snake will die out because it's way to old? In other words, there are too much risks to turn a living being into a horcrux, even for Lord Voldemort.

I think Harry could be a Horcrux. I mean Dumbledore did say that Voldemort transfered some of his powers to him the night he killed Lily and James Potter. I hope I am wrong, it would be such a shame to see Harry Die.

Harry potter fan, this is the quote i used in the thread how will it end? I also said that the exception is naginni because lv has some control over it and the snake goes where ever lv goes. therefore it is only reasonable that there are no human or other animal horcruxes. i think lv is too smart to put another horcrux in another animal, what if it died? he would have lost another piece of his soul, making him more mortal.

I read the summary in the begging and didnt see this, so im sorry if this has already been said.

I think that LV went to the Potter house with the intention of making his final horcrux, so when he was unable to kill harry, he wasnt able to make his final horcrux. What would be a better way to finish off making your horcrux than to kill the boy that was profisized to kill you and then make a horcrux out of somthing with his death. I believe that Harry will find somthing of Gryfindors or Ravenclaws at his parents graves or where his old house is that will represent the object that LV was going to use as his horcrux when he was going to kill harry.

I was also thinking that Nagini is not a horocrux because if LV made her a horcrux then there would be 2 horcruxes that would be easily defeated. LV made the journal a horocrux even though he intended it to be found and have the possiblility to be destroyed. By making Nagini a horcrux, LV is taking a chance that she will go away and be found then destroyed. LV may have control over her, but she is still a living thing and can break free of that control or she could be forgotten about.

THis is just a hunch so please tell me of any reason that this dosnt make sense, it would be much easier for harry if nagini is a horcrux.

the problem with that is lv doesn't know that the diary was destroyed. dd says in HBP that he doesn't think that lv can feel or know when a horcrux is destroyed, and lv would've made nagini a horcrux around the time tha he killed harry's parents, by that time i don't think he would have known that other people knew about his horcruxes and just wasn't thinking.

I was saying that the diary was a horcrux that LV thought might get destroyed because he wanted it to be found and used to re-open the chamber of secrets. I was thinking that LV would not wish to make anymore of his horcruxes easier to destroy. I was making two observations at the same time. I did not intend them to be combined.

I disagree with what you said about how LV would have not been thinking about what hrocruxes he made. Like DD said, LV was obsesed with treasures and im sure he put a lot of thought into what objects he made into horcruxes. HE was still very confident when he went to the Potters and he did not expect the spell to backfire, so i dont think he just chose nagini, if she is a horcrux, as a last ditch solution.

Hope this cleared up what i was trying to say.

I like the idea of the TR's Service award, and that may be one reason he was trying to get back to the school, he wanted to use it but never got his hands on it.
LV however cannot tell when a horocrux is destroyed, there is no connection with them, when he found out what Malfoy had done with his diary he was outraged and punished him. In addition his plan to get DD out off the way may be linked to the horocrux in that LV thought DD figured out his little secret and was hunting for them.

i have just had an insightful idea!! what if Lord Voldemort made his own wand a horcrux!! u see then, that would be 2 horcruxes, not able to be touched!! his body will stay as long as he is not destroyed, and the wand will stay as long as he is alive!! lv would have 2 horcruxes, safe at the same time, and he could watch over them his self!!

interesting idea prince_halfblood, but think about it logically, what if the wand were to break, then his horcrux would be wasted. I think lv is too smart to do that, but like i said great idea, its well guarded and lv doesn't let it out of his sight.

Well, I guess it's possible, but where did his wand go when Voldemort got cursed by his own Avada Kedavra? I thought Voldemort turned into something vapor, so he would be unable to hold a wand at that time. So unless some other Death Eather picked up the wand, we don't know what happened to it in the years between his disappareance and reapearing...

well, the book says that the wand was in lv's robes, and who was kepping the robes while lv was vapormort is unknown, but I would take a guess and assume that it was one of the death eaters, wormtail did bring it out, so the wand could definitely still be a horcrux.

QuiddtichRules: I would like to answer your question" Yes, it could be possible, but where did lvs wand go, when his AV rebounded upon him, and he turned into a vapour?" well the answer to this, is, well, who else was at Godric's Hollow, when he was torn from his body? We know that he des probably were there, but one in particular, may have took his wand for safe keeping. This des name, being, Peter Pettigrew, aka, Wormtail.

well where voldy's wand went is not associated with this topic but i suppose there was someone elseat Godric's Hollow the night voldy killed harry's parents. may have been wormtail or someone else.

back to the topic of the horcruxes, i also believe that voldy wanted to make his final horcrux with harry's murder, coz he would have liked to seal his immortality with the death of the person who has been prophecised that he will vanquish him.....! but voldy never got the chance to make the final horcrux so there is six horcruxes only out of which two have been destroyed by DD and Harry. left are four:
Slytherin's locket
Helga Huffelpuff's tea set
something of ravenclaw and / or something of griffindor and / or Nagini ( but i doubt it would be nagini because it is a living thing and can be destroyed but lets keep it as an open option)

i suppose that when voldy came to visit DD in his office for the defence against the dark arts teacher position, he came there for something else. even DD asked him.......what exactly are you here for.........cos u know that i wont give you that position. so he must have comitted a murder before coming to visit DD and when Harry thought that he almost saw voldy put a hand to his wand, its most probable that he did take his hand to his wand. and performed the final spell from within his coat and turned something in DD's office into a horcrux, maybe the Sword or maybe the Sorting Hat.......

I really love the idea that each book revealed a different horcrux! (especially because I happen to believe that they are all objects rather than people (excepting voldemort) or creatures.

The lack of ideas from POA is troubling, however. Looks like I need to re-read it ASAP and see if I can come up with any suggestions....

Anyway, as I said I like this idea for the following reasons:

1. 7 horcruxes, 7 books. Symmetry in all things!
2. I have been bothered for a while that #3 seemed the book the least connected to the others... An entire book to establish the harry/sirius relationship when she was just going to kill him off two books later? idk. Jo is nothing if not a planner of every aspect of this series, so I have to believe there is something in POA that I have missed before. Something Voldemort related... perhaps a horcrux!!

Obviously just speculation here, but I like that this is another option that had never occurred to me!!

I pray to God that I am doing this right. I don't mind if my list is wrong I just hope I'm not stepping on any toes and am following the rules

Okay so this is a list of what I believe to be Horcruxes.

1. The Ring
2. the Diary
3. The Slytherin Locket
4. The Hufflepuff Cup
5. The Opal Necklace (I think it will turn out to have belonged once to Ravenclaw. It is also under a curse as Dumbledore stated the Ring was which may be a clue.)
6. Severus Snape (I think he'll turn out to be Gyffindor's Heir)
7. And of course that final bit that resides in Voldemort still.

Number 6 will be scoffed at and I am prepared to be ridiculed but I'm standing behind it anyway and am prepared to give reasons why I believe this, even if they are just assumptions. Give me time though! I use the net at my library and can't reply asap in some cases.

Well, with the first four I have to agree with you. But number 5 and 6?? I would like to know your argumentation behind it, because I don't see any at this point...

Snape a horcrux... Dumbledore has told us he thought it likely that Nagini was a horcrux, beacause he thinks Voldemort has got a grewat control over the snake, even for a parseltongue. He also says it is most unlikely Voldemort would make a korcrux out of any other living creature, because they al have their own minds and thoughts, so it would be way to dangerous. What if it was killed accidentely or got a disease or something... And wasn't Snape in Slytherin house... Being Godric's heir would have planted him into Gryffindor I assume?

The Opal Necklace: you could be wright with it and you could be wrong with it, I really haven't got a clue at this time. I don't see how you connnect the necklace with Rownea Ravenclaw...

I'll try to take it step by step...

Well I theorize that Snape was raised by Voldemort. It's a theory I have. It's a verrrrrry long theory and it will take some time to explain but anyway imagine that Snape was. Go that far with me at least. If you are unwilling I'll explain it then.

I believe that Voldemort is the one thing Snape is most afraid of and that for years Voldemort has been controlling him via fear and special treatment.

Snape would end up in Slytherin the same way Harry wound up in Gryffindor: He asked to be placed there. Voldemort would have demanded it. Plus Voldemort's teaching, remember when Snape arrived at Hogwarts he knew more curses than half the 7th years, would have also coloured Snape's mind, also sending him down the path of a Slytherin.

I don't think that Voldemort would think that Snape would even need to know he was his Horcrux. Especially if he was possessing Snape when he turned him into one. Ginny couldn't remember what the heck was going on when she was possessed. I think Voldemort was possessing Snape that night at Godric's Hollow and managed to turn him into a horcrux sometime that night. That is why he won't kill Snape even if he suspects Snape is a spy.Plus I think Voldemort would have already considered Snape's mortality and that this is one of the reason's he offered Lily the chance to live, to procure at least one new heir of Gryffindor.

There's another reason why I think Snape is Gryffindor's heir and a horcrux. It deals with the words Dumbledore spoke while drinking the green potion, why he was in a hurry to see Snape and what went on up on that tower.

Everything is guessing and I can hear the laughing and ridicule starting even now, but I love going out on a limb for a theory. Especially when it's relatively fresh and original.

The Opal Necklace is another guess because it was at Borgin and Burkes; A place Voldemort once worked. He seems to have placed Horcruxes at places which were significant to him. Plus JK has said that even little things in COS will be important. Once again it is a guess but an educated one at that. Another clue, flimsy but a clue, is that it's a necklace and Rowena was female the last I heard. Albus said that Voldemort penetrated more secrets at Hogwarts than anyone else had. It's possible he would have found a portrait of Rowena somewhere, possibly wearing the necklace.

Well here are my theorys.. And sorry if this has been posted before.. What if there are only 5 Horcruxes left?

When LV went to Kill harry and his parents DD suspected that he was going to make his final horcrux that night with Harrys Death.. Sinch he did not kill Harry, #7 was never made. Plus on top of that LV was "killed" (for lack of a better word) that night, leaving him with five that he had already presumably made. (forcing himself to use one of the five to bring himself back to life) So if we were to use this thory the horcuxes could be:

1. Lord V.
2. The diary (destroyed)
3. the ring (destroyed)
4. the locket (presumably not destroyed)
5. ?

So with this thory there really is only a question with one Horcrux.. Which I believe will be left to something grander that something of Hufflepuffs of Gryfndor (something like harry himself being one.. but I do not believe that to be true). To make the final book more of a suprise I do not think there has been any clues leading us to be able to guess what this final horcrux will be.

Also I think that there will be some Drama with the locket.. I think It was defintly Regulas Black that took it.. I think it was not destroyed because it said they couldn't open it. And I think that either Mundugus stole it (not knowing what it was) or that dumbledore knew it was there all along as he knew mundungus was stealing from the house (this would lead in to thorys that dumbledore knew he was going to die/isn't dead at all)

One last question: if LV was going to make a seveth Horcrux with Harrys Death (and as dumble dore said he liked to use little trinkets that were perhaps significat to a situation(kinda like a serial killer)) What was the item he was going to use, could it have been somthing of the potters that he had stolen? somthing significant to Harry?

JmBirke- Horcruxes are not used as extra lives ... by having seven, that does not mean LV can "die" seven time".... Horcruxes are used to anchor the soul to this world, not allowing the whole soul as a collective mass to die for the whole soul is not present at the attempted murder and/or death of some sort...

Okay, I can imagine him being raised by Voldemort


Why would he be afraid of Snape? Voldemort is about the greatest wizard in the world...


This sounds very possible indeed


You mean something like the Imperius Curse? Or maybe Snapes memory was modified after being turned into a Horcrux?


I can remember the words vaguely, but I don't follow your reasoning behind it. Dumbledore wants to go to Snape because.....?? I just don't see the connection with Snape being a Horcrux.


This seems al very logical to me, can't disagree with you on this one...


I hope I don't offend you, it's just I want to hear reasons about theories, before I agree or disagree with one thing or another!!

Well Thats why I said for lack of a better term.. If he has one peice of his soul in himself and then that peice is destroyed then he has to revert back to the remaining horcruxes for life.

heck what if Quiddle (sp?) died and destroyed the peice of LV soul that was inside of him in the very first book? that could in essece leave us to 2 peices of soul left.. the one currently residing in LV and the one presumably in the locket. Might make things a lot easier.

Quidditchrules, I agree with you full heartedly. Snape being a horcrux doesn't fit. Think about it, when did lv start making these horcruxes in the first place, I would have to say when he started to become more powerful. why would lv make snape out of all people a horcrux? i just don't see it. so, would you say selphiealmasy8 that snape is really on the bad side?

otherwise interesting theory about the necklace, i could almost see it, but the only problem i have with it is that it is cursed, how would lv get to the horcrux inside of it if he can't touch it?

And this is just a general question that i want to make sure that i am on the right track with, but i just don't remember lv using a horcrux to recreate his body in GoF, am i just missing something here? i mean, he used harry's blook, his father's bone and wormtails hand, where does the horcrux come in? or was it already there? oh, now i am confusing myself.

no hpalltheway thats not a dumb question, you dont use up a horcux. the part of volde's soul that anchors him here is what he has been using. as long as a horcux has not been destroyed or rendered useless, it will supply the owner life until then. he doesnt have to use it once and get rid of it.

as for the necklace being cursed and not being able to touch it, not that i think its a horcux but to defend it, it could be a defense mechanism of the horcux, that only the owner of the soul could touch it. but i highly doubt this. but it could be a possiblity.

as for snape being a horcux. no way. the only living thing volde would consider using a horcux is nagini. i believe he made her one. snape is not able to be controlled. even with the imperious curse. there are ways to tell when its being used. and i think that DD would know that.

why would the necklace have a defense mechanism when no other horcrux did? the ring, the locket and the diary all did not have a defense mechanism. what makes the necklace so special? and thanks, you helped out a bit with that question.

Well... At first I thought it seemed reasonable the necklace was protected so that only the real owner could touch it. At second, I also thought it seemed strange the necklace would be protected and the other ones nt. But then I thought.. The other horcruxes do look like being protected. The locket was protected several ways, you had to give blood to open a door, you had to drink the potion and those things from the water were protectors (forgot the name...) The ring obviously was protected, because DD's hand got damaged a lot...
As for the diary, I thought Lucius was supposed to protect it until the return of Voldemort, but didn't know what it really was, so handed it over to Ginny. I don't see any other protection on the diary.

As for the horcrux sacrifice and the return of Voldemort... I haven't got a clue. I still don't understand it

Me and a mate at school were talking about the horcruxes and we came up with this idea: Winky the house elf could be a horcrux. She was always around barty crouch junior before he disguised himself as mad eye moody and barty crouch seniors death could have been used to create the horcrux. Mad eye/ Bart crouch junior would have ordered her into the forest whilst she was under hogwarts employ. Also that would satisfy his love of hogwarts associated things

First, this happened when Voldemort stil was some form of vapor... How would it be possible to make a horcru out of something when he isn't even human? And second... Winky hasn't got a great association with Hogwarts, she only works there for at most 2 years now. There are better possibilities for horcruxes at hogwarts. And thrid, it is said a large number of times, Voldemort doesn't want to make a horcrux out of something which can think for himself and has his own mind, again way to dangerous... So I don't think Winky is horcrux

i highly doubt that winky is a horcrux. how often does winky come into contact with an outside world? i doubt that winky would have been near lv to be a horcrux. i also don't think that lv would make a horcrux out of a living thing. the only living things i can see being a horcrux is nagini or harry and only because it was a mistake. lv didn't find out about harry until the ministry, it all fits, but winky doesn't, it almost sounds as though it was taken out of the blue, sorry, but i just can't accept that theory.

i would have to agree that i dont think winky is a horcrux because of everything that has already been mentioned but also because when crouch jr was with winky he wasnt with voldemort and for it to be LV's horcrux he has to be the one to turn it into one, and also when crouch left he didnt know that winky would be going to work at hogwarts.