Voldemort is most likely going to be killed. Of course.
I think it's also very likely that Harry is going to die. I just have this feeling that he isn't going to survive for much longer. Chosen one or not the kid's kind of a pansy.
I can also see Neville dying, which sucks because I love him, but I can see him really standing up and kicking some butt and probably end dying to save Harry or something like.
Who knows.... I wish the book would just come out so all of the questions could be answered.

A pansy? I'm not like a huge diehard fan but if you actually read the books you would know no one has stood up to voldemort as many times as harry and lived, not to mention he is always in charge and willing to give his life for his friends, just reads the books the only person more brave then him was dumbledore, if you would read the 6th book the only reason he didnt rescue dumbledore was because he was under an immobilizing spell. do me a favor and read up before you start making stupid comments he always jumps right into the action. harry won't die but voldemort will, harry is smarter and more resourceful

I just find Harry a tad annoying is all. And he has always depended largely on the help of others and luck to get him through things. I mean half the 5th book was just him whining about this and that, complaining about his friends when they were always the ones to get him through things. And up until the end of the 6th he acted like a little boy, but I do think he is growing up and I cannot wait to see him in action in the seventh book.
I've always kind of thought he was a whiny little baby and that's really just my opinion and you certainly don't need to attack me for it.

hmm harry a pansy eh? I agree with both of you. Harry is a really brave kid, but is guilty of excessive complaining and a perpetual state of being misunderstood. Harry is brave yes... Harry is annoying at times yes. We all have different interpretations of the book. I personally think Dumbledore is the best character for his intelligence and ability to have a helping hand in all matters... but some others may think he is an arrogant old man who needs to butt out of other's business. Both are an opinion, and neither an attack... unless you attack the character, which is fair game because I will personally contest why I think Ginny should die in HPDH anyday! Oh, well will you look at that! I somehow brought us back on topic yay!

~Albus

ok there are so many people who i think are going to die i made a list well here it is

Voldermort (of course)
Harry (Sigh)
Hermione
Ginny because she will die for harry but harrry still dies
Percy
Fred or George
Mr.weasley or Mrs.weasley
Peter
Lupin Sad i know

And more but i can't think right now very well. Wow i practically think everyone is going to die
Oh gosh i hope i am wrong

im really sad on how many people are thinking harry is going to die. im still keeping my hopes high and im pretty sure moody will, but thats just my opinion. and i also think their is a VERYY high chance of voldemort being killed, but i also think that their could be another die. i mean bellatrix is more than likely to die as well. am i right?

I think Snape is the one whos most likely going to die other than Voldemort. If Snape turns out to be good, Voldemort would surely kill him [unless hes playing along whereas Snape s actually bad]. But if Snape turns out bad, anybody from the order.. well anyone actually.. would kill him. And, I can see Snape ending up being good, saving Harry and breaking the unbreakable vow somehow, and dying.

I think Bellatrix will die. More like hope, but she should. She's put Harry and Neville through alot by torturing Neville's parents to insanity, and killing Sirius. I think either one of them,[ or they will team up] and kill her. I really hope she dies.

[whoa i just had major deja vu]

For anybody else that dies, im not quite sure.

I am thinking for Ron, it could go one out of 2 ways.

1.) He Dies. Out of all of the people Harry truely cares about [Ginny, Ron, Hermione], Ron's always been the absent-minded, careless, stupid one. Hes the one out of the three to be stupid enough to get himself killed. Like, running into the veil while talking to Harry about Ginny, or something. I dont want Ron to die.

or 2.) He does something incredible. As I just mentioned Ron is the one whos always absent-minded, careless, etc. Which would make us all awe-struck if he helped finish somebody off, like, Lucius, or somebody that Voldemort is close with. Maybe even Snape if he turns out to be evil. But it would be a great way for Ron to contribute. Id really like for this to happen.

As for Harry...

I dont know what to believe anymore about wether Harry will die or survive.
He's gone through so much, and done many great things, to just.. die? It doesn't make sense. But, Jo doesnt want anybody to continue the HP series, which is quite understandable. Also, in all the stories that include heros, the hero always lives. That would make Harry Potter just another story about a boy who turns out to be a hero, and then everything is fine and dandy, like nothing happened. I dont think she would want her story to be like all the other stories, which gives her a pretty good reason to kill him off.




And I agree with Albus Dumbledore up there, Im also prepared to cry my eyes out no matter what happens, and no matter who dies. Ill end up locking myself in my room for the summer because Ill be so depressed hahah.

Who's going to die then? Mmm...now I have to select my options carefully here because all my theories about the last two books have been total pants, so I've got one more chance to get it at least vaguely right

Let's see....

Well, I think that Harry's going to die. I'm not sure whether he'll *stay* dead, because I have a whole theory about his scar being a horcrux, but nuff said about that here.

I also hope Ginny dies - the more horribly, the better

I think Ron and Hermione are going to be fine, but if pushed, I'd say it's more likely for Ron to get it than Hermione.

McGonagall, Sprout, Pomfrey, Hooch, Flitwick, Filch : All survive.

Moody is probably going to die nice and heroically, either taking ten Death Eaters with him or saving someone else.

Tonks and Lupin will be fine, I reckon - JKR's done enough torturing of Lupin now. I'll be very surprised (and quite devastated, obviously) if Lupin dies.

Snape - well, I think that's inevitable, sadly I think he's good, but I don't see a life for him beyond the final battle and so most likely for literary and conclusive reasons, he'll die.

Voldemort - now here's the surprise...I don't actually think he will die. At least, not in the way that everyone is probably expecting. I think Harry will destroy all the horcruxes, making Voldemort mortal again. I think that's going to be more than the old wizard can take and something will happen...either he'll fall off a cliff, get taken by the Inferi beneath the water, implode () or something along those lines. I don't think Harry will kill him. He might even fall through the veil - I just really don't think that his death will be as everyone is expecting it to be.

I think that just about covers the mortality rate for Deathly Hallows

BTW, I'm taking a week off work when it comes out too

I'm probably totally wrong but i think that Harry will destroy all of the horcruxes with Ron and Hermione's help (much to her dismay she will have to leave Hogwarts) and this makes LV mortal again.

Ron and Hermione i think are safe(ish) but i think there's a chance that they will be very badly injured or something along those lines.

Could be wrong but i think there is a chance that LV might find out about the prophecy and kill Neville. I know it has nothing to do with Neville because LV chose Harry but it could happen.

I think the order and Luna and other people are safe.

Snape i think has a good chance of dying but other teachers are ok.

Right... Harry and Voldemort. The big question!!!!!

I think that in the big battle at the end Harry will kill Voldemort but however, Harry is killed by someone else - deatheater for example - or Harry is too injured to live or something like that. In other words he's dead.

i totally agree that voldemort will die in the elnd and so will snape and wormtail most likely. harry will destroy all the horcruxes and then will be able to kill voldemort in the end. i don't think that both harry and voldemort will die, since it would be highly unlikely for them both to die, since only they can kill and defeat each other, no one else. for the sake of the magical and muggle world, i believe that JKR will have harry live and voldemort dead. most likely, wormtail will be killed because of his debt to harry and snape probably will be too since no one knows if they can trust him.

It’s possible. He was near dying in the 5th and 6th books. (More towards 5th book because he didn’t have felix) He is incredibly clumsy but I think he may be tortured and go down the same end as his parents. Then again, his Grandmother is always saying that his father was this extraordinary wizard, so how does this “Incredible Wizard” end up in St. Mungo’s so it would be like an opposite reaction if Neville survives. The clumsy, unintelligent Wizard survives ( with a star shaped scar on his forehead). Ha that would be funny

Eh, as much as I hate to say it, I think Harry's gonna die. He's the hero of the books yes, but I don't think that JK will want anyone to continue her series, although it would be cool is she went back a did the MWPP era.

Snape will die in my opinion too. If he really is good, and Voldemort finds out...tht'll come to a bad ending for him. Imagine how angry LV would be if his most "loyal" death eater is acutally a spy for the Order.

I think Ron and Hermione will be fine, they've been through too much in they're relationship to die after they work it out finally. But if I have to choose one of them, I'd have to say Ron. His family would be proud that he died for the fight against Voldemort. That would set him apart.

I hope Ginny dies, and I see that others that posted here agree. Harry would have another reason to fight. His love getting killed and all. Lots of drama.

I saw the GoF movie a day before it hit theaters at this premire thing, and I cried at Cedric's dad reaction to Cedric's murder; it was so sad to see him loose his son, he loved him so much. It was pretty bad too because the place was packed and a lot of people were staring at me with my streaked mascara and all.

Also cried when Dumbledore died in the 6th book. I did the first two or three times I read the book. So I'm ready to cry at school no matter what people say. I know I won't be alone either because there are tons of other die-hard Harry Potter Fans that go there too.

For the goodies, I picked Ginny. I can picture it now... Ginny dies protecting Harry from a curse. It sounds plausible...
Anyway, I mean, Ginny is the person whom Harry probably cares about the most. And, what with Jo's thing about 'baddies don't kill minor characters', I think it's likely that Ginny's going to go down.
For baddies, I picked Malfoy. Much as I don't want to admit it, I think he'll be the one to go. He seemed like the only sensible one up there. It seems likely that You-Know-Who will kill him personally... I have no idea why.

Why on earth is Snape under good guys? I mean, I personally think he's a good guy, but that's still being determined...
Let's hope this merges! I still can't edit my posts...

I've said it on many threads, but I'm certain that Harry will die. Or leats say that I'm 99,5% sure, as only Rowling can know it for 100% sure.I wouldn't want him to die, but I just can't see him living happily ever after.
As for Voldemort, I'm not yet decided wheter I think he'll die or not. I wouldn't put it past Rowling to make the book end in Voldemort's takeover.

And sorry, Louise, but I'll count Snape for the bad guys.
I belive he will get killed by some Order member or Harry. Snape has betrayed them too badly to be forgived by them, and as I don't belive him surending willingly, there is only one conclusion for the battle.



My thoughts exactly.

Isn't it so nice when people make the effort to read the first post in a thread before replying? *sigh*

Merge with what thread, exactly? Considering that this is a new one, I find it somehow unlikely it'll be merging with anything.

You can edit your posts - just click 'edit' on the bottom right of all your posts, then click either "Full edit" for a full edit, and "Quick Edit" for a quick edit without all the fonts, bold, italic options etc.

BBC was showing clips this morning that JKR said that 2 characters will die in book 7. Then, somewhere i read that the 2 characters that die are 2 out of the main trio ( HP, RW, HG).....i hope it's not true. For one, there are such comical and intense moments in the series, that if one of them dies, then very few people will enjoy reading the previous books again. Also, we must remember that the HP series is a children's series.....and i don't think it's good publicity to kill off your main character and his best friend(s) ......atleast not in children's novels. Afterall....this isn't R&J or Hamlet, where the hero dies...... Lord of the Rings could be taken into consideration....and i believe that LOTR is dedicated to mature audiences...compared to HP. In LOTR, as far as i can remember....none of frodo's friends died....neither did aragorn/gimli/legolas......all that happened was that gandalf and frodo left for the 'other world'.....but it was still a happy ending. Hopefully JKR won't kill anyone from the trio.....it would really blemish the popularity.


my mistake...i shouldn't say that LOTR is dedicated to mature audiences compared to HP

LOTR is dedicated to a MORE mature audience than HP is....just in my opinion.....be glad to hear what other fans think abt this whole thing

Can believe that two from the trio will die but i do believe that harry has a good chance of dying because then no-one can write a sequal (sp?) but i'm not sure about this so don't think it's the truth: i think ron or hermione (one of the two) will declare their undying love for the other as it were and then shield the other from a curse and die. Probably Ron.

the goody i picked is other order member because i think that Hagrid will die becasue its not very obviouse choice , and i have thought sice the end of OOTP that hagrid will die saving harry, and i think his killers will be a couple of giants.

the bady i picked was voldemort and his killer will be harry!!!!

I thought about it, and the best way for JK to finish the books with out killing potter is to make him lose all his powers. think about it he would become a squib, and who wants to hear about the boy who lived but now is a useless squib? if he does lose all his powers i hope he dies.i dont think i could stand the whining and ****ing,"boo who, i lost my powers, waaaahh".
voldy is gonna die forsure but how is gonna be up to who is there and where they are, but mostly on the fact he has his mothers eyes. also if his mothers protection will kill the "horcrux'd" voldys.
i hope lupin or tonks kills wormtail but it will probably be voldy. i dont want ron or hermione to die. id love to see them together. if snape dies it will be trying to save harry. i also think that draco will try and help potter, maybe not die though.
and im gonna die at the end of the book too... no more HP?!! what will i do?

Woah, people don't seem to be giving Harry much of a break in this topic do they? I know 99% of Potter fans would probably hate to see the series ended this way. Though it's a great idea for what JK could do to Voldemort, who would HATE to have no magical powers left. None of his DE's would follow him either, why would they? He would be powerless and couldn't strike fear in any of them.

I don't think Voldemort will die at all. 'There are worse things than death' Is what Dumbledore said, and I think Dumbledore has another way that Harry will manage to find out somehow. Eternal suffering for Voldemort maybe, but not death. I don't know if Harry will die but I think it's highly likely.

I think the people who are complete goners are Wormtail and Bellatrix. The two have done too much to just be let off the hook like that. Although I'd hate for it to happen maybe Mcgonagall will be killed as she nearly died in Phoenix already, and is getting on a bit. A couple of the Weasley's will be killed, no idea who. And one of the trio, maybe two! I just really hope all three of them are ok at the end, especially Hermione and Ron as they deserve to be together after so long.

Hmm.. this is an interesting topic. There has been alot of rumors of harry dying. I hope he doesnt. I think snape is most likely to die. He probably is a good guy and voldy figures it out and avada kadavras him. i think voldy might live and harry die.. and the wizarding world will be in darkness FOREVER. T_T

Hey im a new member on this forum..well..who mite die?? thats a q thats puts us HP fanz in a lot of confusions and worried i guess...
and hate to admit it but from the way jkr talked in her interviews, such as the best way to prevent hp sequeal from being continued by sum1 else wud be to kills harry, makes me think the worst!! harry mite die- and there r prolly 90% chances of this happening

but...harry has suffered ENUFF..and it wud be very very wierd and sad and tragic to see him being born just to see all the sufferings and then die so early..
i think after all this harry deserves a peaceful happy life...kill off voldy an dlive happily with ginny...

one more reason not to kill harry off: his parents died for him...and...well...it wud be like they died for nuthing if their son for whom they died for dies as well..i mean...to make them happy whereever they are- harry has to live a happy life now..their sacrifice shud not go wasted...hope that made somewhat sense

but if one of the trio has to die..i hate to admit it..it mite be harry...i mean more than half the hp fanz wanna see ron hermy together..but then..maybe ron mite die cuz that wud set him (for once) apart from wht his bros did..he wud be appreciated greatly by the wizarding world..but that wud be a very cruel/painful way though if two main characters have to die: maybe it wud be a couple who dies -ron/hermy or ginny/harry...

i believe draco is going to come to the orders side and die in to save harrys life.

i think harry will die but when i say it it sounds like someone else is saying it not me!
i also think Draco will turn good and maybe join the Order but some of the members might not like it.
i think snape killed DD because all of the death eaters were there so he kind of had to without killing himself. maybe he didnt kill him after all and did something else to him.
peter is going to die. no doubt about it though by who im not to sure. it could even be Voldy that kills him.

Happy New Year Everyone.

Re Chewy76er mentioning JKR's interview with BBC saying that 2 characters are going to die - I believe she said that 1 character got a reprieve and 2 characters are going to die that she didn't intend to die. She didn't say that they would be from the main 3 characters but she did say that she had never been tempted to kill Harry off before book 7 as she had always intended on writing 7 books.

So, who got the reprieve and who are going to die? My thoughts...................

I think that Voldemort will die. Harry will kill him but be 'almost' fatally wounded and I say almost because Fawkes will come to him again and save him with a tear. I believe Ginny will die, being one of the 2 that she never intended to die, trying to save Harry. As we know, people who love Harry and want to protect him end up dying for him. I think Percy will be the other character that wasn't orginally intended to die. I think he will be killed saving Mr Weasley, after realising that his behaviour has been abhorant. Tonks has to die - it's a personal thing - I Love Lupin Wormtail will die trying to protect Harry, he owes him his life after all.

I hope that Draco gets the reprieve - he wants to be really evil to please his father, but deep down there is some decency in him.

I hope everyone else survives, can't bear the thought of lots of them dying. All I know is that I will need a very large box of tissues when I eventually get my book.

i believe that voldemort will be defeated by harry and harry will live. i agree with the people who have said that voldemort might not exactly die. the prophecy doesn't exactly say that one has to kill the other, just that one will DEFEAT the other. there is a difference between defeat and kill. but the confusing thing is, later in the phrophecy, it states that neither can live while the other survives, so in saying survives...does that mean death? or something similar to death, which doens't exactly leave your surviving? i think harry will somehow defeat voldemort, but maybe not by exactly killing him in the sense of the killing curse or something like that.

I was just looking over the name meanings, and Percy is (obviously) from Percival, but I was surprised to see that the meaning of that is "Pierce the Veil of Death". Well, that's just too good, so that means Percy needs to be at that Veil in the Ministry (which is perfect since he is Mr. Ministry these days), and do something that either ends in his death or which somehow breaks that barrier that the Veil is. This could mean a peek behind it, or communication through it, or exchanges across it--people able to move between life and death as a result of something Percy does?

Percy dying might redeem him from the self-absorbed and emotionally cruel person he's evolved into, though he's been heading that way all along. So his redemption process may be a part of the life/death barrier issue.

Snape is as good as gone. If hes evil, the ministry, order, and harry will be gunning for him. If hes good, then voldie and his deatheaters will be after him. Either way. Severus Snape will not make it out of this war alive.

Well, i think Voldemort will die of course. If he wouldn`t die, then what`s the point of all her books? Then, maybe Harry, but i do not want to acceptate that! NO WAY!
Someone from the OOTP most likely Lupin...
there are so many characters evil that i wish for them death! Oh, there is bellatrix and lucius and maybe wormtail will die too.
We`ll just have to wait and see.

Well, I think JK has given us something to work with here. She pretty much told us (for intellectual properties reasons) shes killing off Harry and Volde. I have a feeling that they will die together, why because she has been getting heavy on those metaphores as the series progressed. I think we will get the ultimate myrtar treatment here, which is either:

Snape dies trying to kill Volde, (after revealing the truth of course) then Harry and Volde battle to the death.



Snape and Harry battle--Harry kills Snape or mortally wounds him. He either escapes or dies. Then Harry and Volde battle and Harry kills Volde but is killed from behind by Lucius Malfoy or Draco.

the guessing of harry/voldy dying is a bit of a longhot from my point of view. just like the RAB thing, this we will truly find put only when book 7 comes out.

I think Voldemort and Snape are MOST likely to die...but um, i have a question...didnt JK say that only two important characters will die?

in my first post in this topic i mostly only included the "goodies" so now i am going to make a list for the "bad guys".

Voldermort (duh)
Peter maybe will die for harry as he saved his life
Bellatrix will either be killed by neville or harry or both at the same time
Lucius malfoy
deatheaters
Maybe snape but i don't consider him bad guy just yet but i don't think he is good either

Well those are the bad guys who i think are going to die and maybe even probably deserve it too.

I had to pick another order member (good) and Voldemort (Bad)

I think it is fairly obvious why I picked Voldemort. But I'm not sire why I think an Order Member. I guess it is just very easy for them to be picked as Voldemorts next 'victim' as they are trying to kill him! I'm not sure which order member though!

I don't think that any of the Weasley's will die because they have allready been affected by Voldemort: The whole family by Mr. Weasley's attack, and also Ginny (CoS) and Bill (Greyback's attack). It will probably turn out that I'm qrong but oh well!

ah wouldnt say dat snape was a goodie........

but ah dont think lupin will live through the battle, ah mean look at wot happened to the rest of the gang!!

no matter wot happens in the last book, i will be gutted nd have the box of tissues on standby.

ah WILL be lining up for the book on the day before it's release.

Ah LOVE Harry Potter!!!!!

I haven't read through all the posts, so I'm sorry if someone already said this, but the prophecy says that either must die at the hand of the other because niether can live while the other survives.

well even so, as dumbledore has said, there are worse ways of defeating someone than death. throughhout the novels, it has been said that a dementors kiss is worse than death and is ultimatly the worse way to defeat and destroy a person. it is very unlikely that voldemort would recieve a dementor's kiss, but there are other ways to destroy someone than using avada kedavra.

Actually the prophacy said "ONE MUST DIE SO NO UNAUTHORIZED BOOKS WILL BE PUBLISHED THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN BY JK" O0o0o0o0o0oo0o

This brings up a whole new question...a dementor sucks out a person's soul, but LV has seven pieces of soul. Hmmm

And you're right, Dumbledore does say that a lot. And I say does rather than did because I refuse to believe that Dumbledore is dead even though JKR says he is quote: "Dead, dead DEAD!"

Anyway, remember in book 5, when DD and LV are dueling in the MoM? Dumbledore uses a spell on Voldemort that forces Voldemort to conjure a shiel from air, and when the spell hits it, a deep gong-like note sounds, which leads LV to say"you do not seek to kill me Dumbledore" and that's when DD says, "There are things much worse than death, Tom." What spell did Dumbledore use? Will it be useful to Harry?

Sorry, I know this is off topic.

Tricky this one, but I feel that Voldemort will die, but only after he has tried to kill Harry, who will survive death because I also feel Harry is a horcrux and the part of Harry that will die is the fragment of Voldemort's soul. There's a good thread about Harry as a Horcrux.

I don't believe Snape will die because he could have killed Harry at the end of HBP but didn't. Why not? He'd killed Dumbledore, Voldemort was resurrected and Harry was at his mercy. So I feel Snape really is playing a double game and is secretly on Harry's side. He probably killed Dumbledore because it was too late to save him from the effects of the potrion in HBP and that he and D'dore had discussed this.

Personally I just have a feeling that Hagrid will meet his end defending Harry.

I too worry for Hagred, who is one of my favorites. He is someone who, like DD, cares for those that no one else would dream of caring for. The issues about justice that the books explore would suggest that his storyline needs some rounding out, since he was utterly unjustly expelled from the school and hence legitimate magical life.

Yesterday I was reading the book published by that other fan site regarding bk 7 speculations, and there was a quote in there that i have not seen before, where JKR discusses how fans keep saying, dont kill harry, dont kill ron, but hardly ever say "dont kill Hermoine". She says her impression is that people think Hermoine is so competent that she will be able to keep herself safe, but JKR says that in her view Hermoine has vulnerabilities that are under-appreciated. I dont think this gives us much of a window into whether she will die, I think it just says something about the whole emotional process of encountering characters of different types--we worry more for the careless heroes like Harry and Ron than we do about poor Hermoine, who also sticks her neck out pretty far even if more intelligently than Harry and Ron. Not very fair....Tho it just occurred to me that this might be part of the "one of the ones who was going to die gets a reprieve"--maybe she needed to save Hermoine in the end to make some kind of point?

Question: does JKR kill characters more for the narrative value, or for message value? Or is this a specious distinction?

I have a rather long list as to who I think is gonna die in the last book. I have a feeling that the body count will be very high. As for who is the least likely good to survive, I choose Neville, I can't put my finger on it, but he is just screaming at me that he is gonna bite the dust early on. Voldomort, naturally, has to die as well, the series has to end. As for my crazy list of other people? Here it is, don't know why exactly, but it is just my thought:

good guys: neville, moody, shaklebolt, fred, mr. weasley, krum, luna, and umbridge(yes i think she will soon see the light, as much as i loathe the woman)...
*also i think ginny, hermione, and george will be severly injured, but thats a diff. topic

bad guys: voldomort, bellatrix, lucious malfoy, crabbe, goyle and their dads,

I warned you I had a high body count...especially for our poor good side...

I think Harry will die. I don't want him to though. Hasn't anyone read the post in which i wrote that my aunt says she heard that Harry is gonna die.I hope it's lie(one of the ways to make me cry) My face will look something like this-
Here are the charecters I wish to die- Bellatrix, Snape, LV,Lucius,Greyback,in short all the death eaters except Draco.
Here are the people who I think will die(i don't want them to)- Harry, Hermione,Ginny,oooh! I can't bear this!

Anyone who wants to see my sign. can see by clicking on the red-coloured sit. A beautiful photo of Emma is waiting for you.

i think poor neville might just meet his end in DH...he might become a martyr when trying to kill bellatrix...it will be sad but his grandma will be proud...

I think Lord Voldemort will die obviously he just has to. I don't know about Harry though, throughout the pass 6 books good has always overcome evil so that leads me to think maybe Harry will come out of the final battle alive, although severly hurt. But then I thought that maybe he will sacrifice to save his friends, if he knows R/Hr/G and co are in grave danger he will do anything he can to save them, LV doesn't really want/need the others, just Harry, so maybe he will die for them.

Although I remember Jo saying on an interview with Richard and Judy that she can understand when authors kill off their main character, to prevent other authors ruining all their hard work once the series has finished. Macbeth wouldn't be the same if someone else had wrote it other than Shakesphere and Lord of the Rings would be outstandingly different if some authors decided to write a new book based on the shire, hobbits etc so that made me think that maybe Harry will die.

I dont want Harry to die, personally I think LV should kill Draco, Narcissa and Snape. Draco because he didn't fulfill what he wanted him to do. Narcissa for making the unbreakable vow with Snape, and for speaking to someone else about it, when she knew LV had told her not to and Snape because he was the one that murdered DD, and for the unbreakable vow and plainly because DD trusted him and he repaid that trust with an unforgivable curse and I've hated him ever since (lol) I actually cried when DD died.

I think this is correct. Which is why she will kill off harry and volde. I mean you can't write a sequal without them.

I thought of something this afternoon--
DD tells HP that LV brought about the very conditions that the prophecy referred to--that Voldemort's own actions set the course for who would be the one who could defeat him. But the prophecy was not only about LV, it was also about Harry (or whomever the one with the power would turn out to be). So if the prophecy is about both of them, and part of how it has worked so far is a result of the choices made by the ones involved, then Harry's choices should also be able to have a role in how the prophecy unfolds. After all, as DD taught Harry, its all about our choices, not some predetermined identity.

So, it seems to me that Harry's choices should be able to maybe determine how the deaths transpire. The prophecy is open to choice intervention. But maybe Neville also was born with power to vanquish him, and his choices can matter too? Remember, DD never studied divination, so he may not be completely right about how to interpret the prophecy. There is room to be flexible about who kills who, whose choices might matter.

BTW, why does the prophecy contain "The Dark Lord" as LV's name? Why not "he who must not be named" or something--why the name the Deatheaters use? Was Snape's proximity to her significant on this score somehow?

Maybe she said it on purpose though, because she knew everyone would be watching and maybe she wants us to think that Harry will die in the end. I don't want him to though, the hero always has to survive, but then I would not want a book 8 written by a completely different author and not Jo, they would definiately destroy Harry Potter and I'm sure none of us wants that.

alot of people say harry will die, but i dont think he will because the prophecy states that neither can live whilse the other survives, meaning one of them (harry, voldemort) will have to live, and i super-highly doubt that voldemort will be the one to live



lol another author finishing the story off would be plagarism

noiseconspiracy, you said: "the prophecy states that neither can live whilse the other survives, meaning one of them (harry, voldemort) will have to live"

Is that the logic of the prophecy? Seems more like the consensus view is that one has to die if either of them is to survive.

The logic of the sentence itself strikes me as tortured, and I cant tell if it is deliberate or if we just can't be too strict about it. Seems there are a couple of possibilities using symbolic logic:

HL = Harry Lives
VL = Voldemort Lives
~ = logical sign for 'not' or negation
( ) = lumps things logically together such that any sign outside the () applies to the statement as a whole. So do [ ].

The simplest logical possibility then is to read it this way
[(If HL then ~VL) OR (If VL then ~HL)] AND ~(LV&HL)
basically meaning that one can survive but only on condition that the other is dead.

But can we also maybe symbolize the first part of the sentence this way:
(~LV & ~HL)
but then the question is how to logically think the second part of the sentence ('if the other survives'), which stumps me. So maybe we cant separate the two sentence parts and the only logic here is the simple one.

I just can't get past the idea, tho, that this sentence is logically misleading somehow. Part of the reason for this is because even if we go by the simple logic, the prophecy doesnt say that either of them HAS to live. If we logically consider both dying, how do we logically deal with the rest of the prophecy.