thats an interesting thought.
his soul has already been split into seven, then hopefully by the end of DH each part will have been individually destroyed so if defeated how can he enter the next life without a soul! as this would be the part to move on, after it has departed from the body. so maybe this is what DD is always talking about, most people can either become a ghost or can die and enter the 'next great adventure' but voldemort will not be able to do this, and by trying to escape death which he so fears he could end up not even getting that, as you say ceasing to exist and being nothing! which must be a far worse fate than death!

As I go back and read the previous books, I have come up with a small list of casualties for the new book and who may kill them:
Lord Voldomort killed by Harry, Ron, and Hermione
Bellatrix Lestrange killed by Neville
Lucius Malfoy killed by Draco
Hagrid killed by Doholov
Wormtail killed by Remus, Tonks
Moody killed by ???
Dobby killed by Kreacher(though i think Kreacher's bind to Harry may help Harry ultimately win)
Serious Injuries: Ginny, Golden Trio, Draco (maybe die? hung on that one)

so there it is, my small list of casualties.

I like how you tought that out, but I think that's too many people, because jk asid that the last chapter says what will happen to all the people(what they'll do in life). ok, I just read it over, and maybe that's possible, because most of the main characters die. I beleive...

harry and lv kill each other.
ron sacrifices himself(idk why)
snape dies
tonks kills bellatrix
and if harry dies, maybe dobby will go with him.

idk, that's just what I've been thinking

There is a theory, which I completely agree with...
A souls desire is to be whole. I doubt that a soul can be destroyed. When the horcrux is destroyed and the desire of the soul is to be whole I believe that soul will return to the active soul. Hope that makes sense.

What do you guys think about him possible becoming a ghost in fear of a full and complete death?

Mod Edit: One liners and short posts are not allowed. Please elaborate in future posts. Thanks

We don't yet even know why people become ghosts. But that is very possible as we know Sir Nicholas was also fearing death.

Mod Edit: One liners and short posts are not allowed. Please elaborate in future posts. Thanks

People may become ghosts because they are stuck to something on earth.

Mod Edit: One liners and short posts are not allowed on the forums. Please elaborate in futore posts. Thanks

why do you doubt that a soul can be destroyed when we know that horcruxes containing LV soul have already been destroyed? harry destroyed the diary, which destroyed the part of 16 yr old riddle inside it! DD also destroys the ring! souls can therefore be destroyed.


this would make the whole plot of harry going after the horcruxes and destroying them completely pointless if the parts of soul just rejoined the part in LV! why would DD prepare and educate harry on how to destroy the horcruxes if they would then just go back ito LV body and he would continue to live?


well we do know dont we? in OoTP NHN explains that people become ghosts if they choose to, he is a ghost because he chose to be one! he chose to be one because he was afraid of death. so generally, people become ghosts because they are afraid of death or dont want to leave earth.

I agree with you White Bumblebee. Dumbledore says that Voldemort can't detect his Horcruxes anymore which may also be a clue that once one is destroyed, the soul contained within it is destroyed.

And I also agree about how people become ghosts. Nearly Headless Nick said why, but now how (but I'm willing to guess that 99% of it involves dying).

But will Voldemort cease to exist? I think its possible, but despite being beyond repair, he still has a soul within him...even if its sliced and diced.

I feel for certain Hagrid will die.He's also been a parental figure to Harry,but perhaps the most important because it was Hagrid who brought him into the magical world,rescued him from the Dursleys,and has been a kind fatherly influence to Harry.If Dumbledore can die,I'm almost certain Hagrid will.Though if he does be certain whoever does it will have grawp to answer to.I also doubt all the weasleys will make it.I'd want it to be Percy if anyone but i have a feeling it might be Ron.I think the chess scene forshadowed his death.And really what will happen if he lives? Hermione and Harry would have a future,they both have ambition and goals,but Ron seems to be missing a goal in life.Harry wants to be an auror and Hermione campaigning for house elves(along with her unsurpassed intellect)but Ron has never mentioned his future career because i believe he wont have one.

I should have put more detail in my post. DD and Harry destroyed the object. No where in the series does it say the soul was destroyed. And I also believe the 13 year old riddle inside it was a memory. I could be wrong...



If all the souls rejoined LV he would then again, be mortal, having only one soul.



I think there's a bit more to it then that. Jo stated on an interview we will learn why some people become ghosts, and some people do not. She wouldn't say this if she had already told us.

Usagi I disagree. I think Draco admires his father way to much to kill him. Lucius is his hero. Even if Draco were to turn good I highly doubt he could kill either of his parents.



Keith I agree with you about Hagrid. Hagrid is one of harry's closest friends even if his role has been minimized. His death would be a huge blow to Harry, as bad as Hermione, Ron, or Ginny.

I thikn we're definetly gonna have a werewolf fight, Fenrir Greyback versus Lupin. I really hope Lupin doesn't die but I have a very bad feeling Greyback will kill him.

David, remember when Dumblwedore called Voldemort's soul "beyond repair?" Also, he states that a withered hand in exchange for a seventh of Voldemort's soul is a fair exchange? If his hand is permanently damaged, then I'd say that the piece of soul is permanently destroyed.

Plus, Dumbledore speaks about the Riddle in the diary: "No, something much more sinister lived in that diary." And the Riddle was destroyed.

So, either Voldemort will cease to exist, or he will sepnd an eternity as a very weak form of a spirit.

i agree that there will be a werewolf fight, but i think it will ne greyback angains lupin AND bill

I already said who i think will die in my thread butttt:

Voldy, Malfoy, Hagrid, Bellatrix, Snape, Lupin afteer he kills Greyback, Mrs or Mr Weasly, and Scrimmigeor

Throughout all 6 books so far, the ending has had a very similar structure: The trio begins whole, then Ron goes out of commission, followed by Hermione, leaving Harry alone. In SS/PS, Ron is knocked out by the chess set, and Hermione is sent back through the black fire to help him, leaving Harry to go through the purple to face VoldyQuirrel alone. CoS deviates from this, in my opinion, only because Ginny is related to Ron (though since his wand is broken he isn't much magical help throughout the whole book), and Hermione is Muggle-born (and still manages to help Harry out the most because of the paper in her hand). In PoA, Sirius breaks Ron's leg, leaving him nearly helpless while Hermione collapses as the mob of Dementors closes in on them. In GoF, Harry and Ron fight, while Hermione helps him learn the Summoning Charm, though neither are really able to help him too much, as there is the Triwizard Tournament. Ron is hit with the curse that makes him go temporarily crazy in OotP, followed by the strange slashing curse that knocks out Hermione. In HBP, even though this pattern is much more subtle, Hermione has the last word to Harry (SPOILER FOR HBP AHEAD) before he heads off to the cave with Dumbledore.

That being writ, I see no reason why the last book would deviate from a very integral pattern which has more or less persisted through all of the other books, which is why I believe Ron will die in a battle scene perhaps, while Hermione and Harry will trudge on for a little longer until Hermione goes beyond the veil to join her beloved Ron, leaving Harry alone again to face Voldemort, as, deep down, we've all known he would have to do in the end. Always has he been alone in body, though he has been accompanied by the spirits of his friends and parents -- in my opinion, this will persist, as sad as it is.

I believe that originally J.K. might have only wanted to kill off Ron OR Hermione, but one cannot live without the other, for they are the Harry Potter version of yin and yang, so the tough decision was made to kill them both, and leave the "third" who was going to die alive, because the shock that two of our favorite characters have passed on will be more than enough for Harry to do what this pain will drive him to, which will have something to do with the demise of Voldemort.

I think that after they die and Harry and Voldemort are having their final parley, Harry will finally be tempted by his old "There is only power" speech, lacking his moral guidance and unfailing camaraderie by Hermione and Ron respectively. However, through is mortal agony, the love he has for his friends will enable him to defeat Voldemort the only way he can -- with love.

This is only the theory of one Harry Potter fanatic, though I'm sure others share it. I suppose that we will all find out in about four days though, won't we?

i agree that throughout the books harry nearly always ends up on his own at the climax, with OoTP being an exception because DD turns up and saves him! and it is possible this will happen again in DH, but that doesnt mean ron and hermione have to die, there are many ways they could be left behind or injured, but not necessarily dead. thats not to say however, that i think you're wrong. but i just have a feeling that this time, for the first time, ron and hermione are both by his side at the end, when hes facing voldemort. although this doesnt mean i think they will survive, but i think they will be at the final battle!

i think hagrid is a definite to die, i just dont have a good feeling for him, and ron would always be a top choice to kill off because hes so popular with readers it would have a huge effect, and recently iv been having bad feelings for hermione too. but im not sure ron and hermione will both go, not sure if thats JKR style.

i worry for lupin, hes so lovely, and the lovely ones seem to get killed off. i have a funny feeling grawp will bite the dust and at least one weasley is bound to be killed! as for those who i want to die, i want bellatrix, lucius and greyback in particular to be killed and of course LV!! in a strange way i also want harry to die, but in a good way, i want him to die having killed LV and sacrificing himself for the wizarding world!
i have this little scenario in my head where ron, hermione and harry are all involved in the final battle, hermione gets killed, ron and harry are distraught (as am i) then harry realises he must kill LV now, but he has to sacrifice himself to do it, ron realises and it is all ironic because like ron was prepared to sacrifice himself in PS in the chess game, now harry does the same, but he dies, and takes LV with him, and saves the wizarding world. and he is finally with his family, reunited with his parents, sirius, DD, grandparents, hermione? and he is finally truly happy. the only bit i dont like about his is ron is sort of left alone alive.

I'm afraid I have to agree with David. I do not believe a soul can be "destroyed". It is the one thing in this universe that is supposed to be eternal, everlasting. Able to change, but not able to vanish. The idea that it could be destroyed would just be...barbaric. A barbaric universe that I would not want to live in, if that were true. However, seeing as Harry Potter is a fictional universe, that changes everything. Whether or not you believe something is possible in real life has nothing to do with whether you believe it is possible in a fictional world.


However, I still agree with David.


Here is what I believe. Every Horcrux that is destroyed releases that fragment of Riddle's soul to the afterlife, where it belongs, and it rejoins with the pieces from the other destroyed Horcruxes. Once the final Horcrux has been destroyed, and Voldemort's body is gone, the whole soul will once again exist, but in the afterlife. The literally "inhuman" monster Lord Voldemort would cease to exist, but Thomas Marvelo Riddle would be a whole person again. But I don't think he would be redeemed or anything, at least not yet. Tom would probably be suffering, and as hateful as ever wherever he was, at least for the moment. I can imagine, if, hypothetically, this were to happen, he'd be plotting another form of ressurection, which of course would be doomed to fail at that point.

Actually, HBP is not the first case in which J.K. has a Harryless chapter. The first one of GoF, wherein we learn of the Riddle murders and Voldemort's new form created by Wormtail would be that chapter.

You're right that is the other time that happens but even that she uses to tie into Harry because thats when he wakes up with his forhead pounding. The two chapters at the beginning of HBP don't even do that. That's why I thought they were weird. And even still my point is that JKR has had a total of 3 chapters in all 6 books combined that do not have that following Harry point of view. Thats just the style of the books. It will feel so weird if she kills him off with multiple chapters left even though I really hope he dies because I think he needs to.

I Chose Ginny And Dumbledore..

Dd's death was hard on everyone.. he one was of the most respected wizards in the world.. and was always a nice and caring person. If he just expelled Malfoy it would have gotten Malfoy killed, but DD would be alive.

I chose Ginny because Harry doesnt need the last person he cares about the most to be killed aswell. JKR has killed off everyone close to him so far... and this would also affect the Weasly family a lot

This was hard for me. I was torn about choosing which student. I think without Hermione, Harry would be very upset that another clever friend wouldn't be able to help him and without her support would be hard to find. But I was torn because Ginny is someone else I wouldn't want to see go since she means so much to Harry and her family doesn't need any more grief. harry would be very hard to lose.
For the Order, I chose Sirius Black since he was Harry's only true guardian or parent like figure and it was really hard for me to see him go. But of course, seeing Dumbledore go was just as hard or even harder to learn to let go.

Its quite obviously a hard choice.
I myself was torn between Mr/Mrs Weasley..
That would be a terrible death

They're all hard really... you dont want any of them to die.
I think its weird that only one has picked Harry so far tho

yeaps I agree and unfortunatly she said the last chapter is an epilogue and that made me fell she does leave Harry to tell hows everyone after his and Voldees death.

Hmm I also jut had the idea that just maybe the last chapter could end like this:

" And He (harry) followed the voice(maybe sirius) closed his eyes and stepped thru the veil"

Epilogue:

now 10 years away from this historical day... and so on

know how I mean it?

Yeah, I'm the only one who's picked Harry... I also picked Lupin. I think Harry's death would just send a weird message to the readers... Like, there was this really famous kid, who didn't know he was famous, who had special powers... but all his life he was tortured by his family, and then he goes to school, and every year someone tries to kill him or someone he cares about... in fact, most of the people he loves end up dying. Then after reaching his goal and once again defeating the dark lord and saving the world... he dies.

Harry deserves a break... I think he should be stripped of his magical powers, but should live.

And if Lupin dies.... *shakes her fist threateningly*...Lupin and Sirius are my favorite characters, it's bad enough that Sirius died.

I think harry's death wouldnt be as sad.. because we would be expecting that.. the deaths so far have been devastating because it took us by suprise...
[even tho DD's you could see a mile away i thought he was gunna talk his way out of it]

I picked Hermione, she is my favorite character. I also choose Lupin, that poor man has gone through enough suffering already.

I also must agree with legendarylugi's reasonings. A soul is part of you. The part of you that defines you, and makes you who you are. A soul should be eternal. Jo has stated she is a Christian, and in the Christian faith all souls/spirits either go to Heaven or Hell. And if we look closly at the book we see Jo's religion has influence in her writing.

Dobby's Boggart, when DD stated LV's soul is beyond repair, that does mean his souls will not try to become one. LV did one of the most evilist things magically possible, when saying his soul is beyond repair I believe he is saying it is impossible for LV to become human once again. I imagine seperated souls like magnets. In LV's case, 7 magnets. So let's say everyone is starts out with a whole magnet. Those wishing to create horcruxes break this magnet in peices. But breaking a soul is something unatural and evil, so something unatural and evil most be taken place. Murder. When this step is done, the owner of that soul/magnet can break it and seperate them from each other. Imagine a magnet broken into 7 peices in a box. These represent LV's 7 seperated souls. Now 7 walls are put into the box seperating the magnets from each other. No matter how hard a peice tries, it cannot touch the other peices. Put say some takes out a wall. Then the magnet is allowed to touch an rejoin the other soul.

Good choices... Hermione is coming up big 6 voted already...
I personally dont think either of them will die.
hopefully not

I don't think Neville will die. Jo said one of the characters who she thought would die instead lives, so I think that might be Neville. I believe that, being one of Harry's last adult supporters, Hagrid will snuff it in DH.

I also agree with Lhynn that the epilogue will take place long after all is said and done, but Jo mentioned the last word of the book is . Therefore, I believe that Harry will not die, but by eradicating his scar he will erase part of his personality and become the next evil lord

In an official word just a week or two ago JKR said that she had changed the final word but scar is still very close to the end. We don't know what the last word will be anymore. JKR decided to wait and surprise us. She also said that the final chapter would be like an epilogue so I don't think there is going to be a seperate book for it. The picture going around the internet that says epilogue looks like it may just be a page in the book because it's black and white (at least the picture i've seen is)

Neat analogy, David.
However, we must remember that LV is a villain that doesn't deserve to have his soul put back together, and he needs a fate worse than death. I wouldn't put it past JKR to give Voldemort an eternity of a destroyed soul.

OK, I think I will be very unhappy if Harry dies. He has been through too much in his short life to die at the end, even doing something to save the world. He deserves to have a quiet and happy life after this is all over, with a real family who loves him.

I also would hate to see Mrs. Weasley die. Her death would effect so many people... all of her children and her husband, not to mention Harry and Hermione. She has always been kind and giving, and has lost a lot of family members to LV as it is... her brothers were the Prewitts. Mr. Weasley would also be devastating to loose for the same reasons.

I think, unless he is the one who JKR changed her mind about, Hagrid will die. I will be sad about it, but not devastated... I think JKR weened us off of Hagrid a bit in HBP. It will hurt Harry, but it may give him incentive to go on if he gets down or frustrated while looking for horcruxes.

I really don't want to see Ginny die. Harry needs her, but I think she is so powerful that she can take care of herself.

I (hope) don't really see Ron or Hermione dying, as they are just kids and LV is probably not paying attention to them even though they are Harry's best friends... He doesn't know what friendship really is, so he might not consider them worth going after.

I think DD is gone for good (in human form) and that's sad, but I think Sirius may come back, which would make me (and Harry) VERY happy.

I wouldn't be sad to see Percy die, as long as he realized what great people his parents were in the end. It would make the Weasley's sad, but JKR has been working hard to make us dislike him, so she may have it in for him.

Thanks.
I think dieing is a perfect punishment for LV. He absolutley fears. And I'd like to see everyone poking LV with a stick in the after life and him crying. Hehehe. And if he just ceases to exist, nothing will happen to him. He won't feel anything. I hope he dies and gets tortured with those sticks.

I actually didn't struggle with the choices too much. I chose Harry and Dumbledore. When Dumbledore was "murdered" in HBP, I almost lost my mind for 30 minutes I was so upset. Here was the wizard that I had more respect for than any other character in the book.

As for the students, I just feel that Harry deserves a better fate in the novels than to die. We have already been terribly diaspointed to see Dumbldedore fall, why should we have to suffer through losing our other hero.

It would have been neat if we could have included Snape in the member of the Order above in the poll option. We haven't seen if he is actually working for Dumbledore yet, so we can't know if he is actually not one of the good guys. Interestingly enough, he has summarilly been excluded here.

The last student I would want to see die is Hermione because she is great and has an amazing heart. Those poor elves who else would promote a campaign and stik with it for a while that nobody was really interested in. my second choiceis Harry because 1) I love him 2) after all he has been through it only seems fair.

For the Order member I would hate to see McGonogal, Tonks, Lupin, or Kingsley die because I love them all even though we dont know much about Kingsley I love him anyways. Because I loke deep voices and he seems cool. but my vote went with McGonogal.

Lol yeah i didnt even put Kingsley on there... i thought about it... but he woundnt have got any votes.. and i also considered snape.. but my personal beleif is hes working for the Death eaters...

Hermione is a Popular Choice it seems x]

I chose Harry and Lupin

Harry
If Harry dies, I personally believe Rowling is going to have a cult come to her house and kill her . That is my theory to why I don't think Harry will die. Rowling must've been thinking about her safety when writing Deathly Hallows. BUT still, I don't want him to die at all.

Lupin
I feel for him. He has all my sympathy. Poor guy, if he died that would be a depressing story indeed

A friend reminded me recently that "Nobody lovable by children will die in the last book". I am not saying Harry Potter series is for children, but there are many children reading these books. Any death of their beloved will definitely traumatised them for a long time. Dumbledore is old enough to die, so it's not difficult to accept. Sirius, we barely knew well in book 3 and 5, so it's shocking but doesn't linger long. I don't think Ron, Hermione and Ginny will die. They are the persons whom Harry fought Voldemort for. Harry wanted to get rid of Voldemort, so his best friends will enjoy peace. What's the point of victory if those Harry love the most will die? I believe Jo will spare Neville and Luna. They are too close to our hearts after Book 5 and Movie 5. I used to think Hagrid will die. All the alchemy theories about Black (Sirius), White (Albus) and Red (Rubeus) seem right. However, Hagrid is such a lovable character and the only father figure left for Harry (saved Mr. Weasley, but he is more a "uncle" than a "father" to Harry). I think he is the one got reprieve from Jo. I was so sure he would die, but then I realised I would not think Harry Potter series a happy ending book, if Hagrid is not there to enjoy the victory.
Now I hope Hagrid will not die.
I am sure that some other minor characters will die. Members of the Order of the Phoenix will fall, as in any battles. Fallen heroes will be remembered and adored even after death. It will be sad, but gallant. I am prepared to see many of the members died in the battle.
I think it's better that the Marauders be united in death, because their generations have served its purpose. Pettigrew will definitely die, but if he died after remorse, then Lupin should accompany him so all four will be strolling together in Rowling's afterlife realm.
The teachers, the officers from the Ministry, the additional characters, we hardly know them. Some have been slain in previous books, some more will be victims of great war to come (if nobody dies, how we can say it's a great war?). I'm prepared to accept if some teachers will be killed. Scrimgeur or Umbridge could be killed and I won't miss them too much.
Snape will surely die.
If he turns out to be Voldemort's most faithful all the time, he deserves to die.
If he turns out to be Dumbledore's most faithful all the time, he would lose his meaning of life, once Voldemort dies. It's better if Jo allows him to die with honour, if this is the case.
Some students will die, but I feel pity for Draco. He should live to tell the consequences of wrong choice for the next Slytherins: that being a Death Eater is not satisfying at all, that following Voldemort's dream won't result in a glorious reward as Voldemort thinks. Others may or may not live. Some DA members may become fallen heroes and heroines, from every houses. However, hopefully many more will live to enjoy the peace after Voldemort's gone.
Now for the dreadful fate of the people who give warmth to the story: The Weasleys.
I'm afraid they will lose someone. Not Bill, not Ron, not Ginny. They are too lovable. Percy should get reprieve, because that's the essence of love: to get a second chance and to forgive. Charlie, Fred or George. They are likeable, but they are heroes. Any of them had shown courage. If one or more among these three fell in the battle, we will honour them, but can accept the fates. It's a cruel war anyway.
I hope I can close the book 7 with some good feeling, good memories for those who died, but great joy for those who live. For that reason: Harry should live.

Harry, Hagrid, Luna, Ron, Hermione.... All are beloved characters, and we would hate to see them go, but who knows??? Personally, I will stick with my "none of the trio will die" theory, and say one of the Weasleys( probably Percy) will die. Malfoy, Bella, Lucius, Wormtail, Voldemort , Lupin, and possibly Kingsley Shaklebolt will die. I also think Luna, Ginny, And most others will be safe .

That was really good muggleview. I just realized that when I close the book, I will probably burst into tears. I have a feeling a lot of likeable people will die, even though little kids read the books.

QUOTE(jiggery-pokery @ Jul 18 2007, 06:15 AM) [snapback]414710[/snapback]

Harry
If Harry dies, I personally believe Rowling is going to have a cult come to her house and kill her . That is my theory to why I don't think Harry will die. Rowling must've been thinking about her safety when writing Deathly Hallows. BUT still, I don't want him to die at all.

Lol... the cult part... i wouldnt doubt it. There would be some damn angry fans.

Harry won't, Voldy should, Ron might, and Snape will.

That out of the way, I'm not technically replying to the topic, I just don't know where else to vent about my looming sensation of impending sadness. (If there is such a place to do so, please tell me!) I just don't want this to end!!! I've been so excited for book 7 to come out. It's the same excitement I've had each time a new one has come out; It's like waiting for a childhood friend to come home. Except now, I'm starting to realize that this is the last time this friend will come to visit. We'll always have our old memories, but when I read that last word on Saturday, that friend will never come back to make new ones. How do you deal with that?
While I ponder my turmoils, I would also like to add a thank you to everybody out there who has made Harry as much a part of their lives as he is of mine. It is so refreshing to know that in this crazy, tumultuous, fast-paced, selfish world, people still take the time to sit and submurge themselves into something so inconcequesntial as a book. Imagination seems to have no place next to society's rediculous obsession with overprices handbags and undersized dogs. Please let's all always remember the lovely simple things in life. If nothing else, that's what Harry has taught us all- and that's a lesson so very worth hanging on to.

I'll miss the debates! Love to all of you!!!

P.S. If Snape really is bad, I'll eat bubotuber pus.

Dobby's boggart, you're forgetting that people evolve over time. Given a literally infinite amount of time, which the afterlife is, reform is INEVITABLE, because as slowly as people change, they DO change. With an infinite amount of time to reflect, the person will come out differently than they started, every time. And given an infinite amount of change and new choices, the soul will eventually reform, no matter what its previous crimes. Hell, I'm of a mind to believe that even Hitler himself will eventually find reformation in the afterlife, it just might take him a few hundred millenia. And he'll probably suffer until that time. You're forgetting that noone starts this life as either "good" or "evil". They make choices. Continuing choices precludes the idea that they could ever remain evil permanently.

Which is why I have a really hard time with religious concepts of "eternal damnation". The human soul is not so stagnant as to stay the same forever. People have free will, they have choices. If a person makes terrible choices, it shouldn't define them for eternity, it should only define them for as long as it truly represents them. When they change their mind, which, given infinity, they will, and make a new choice, the old choice should eventually lose significance in what the person "deserves". Saying someone doesn't "deserve" redemption is a silly notion, because in reforming they would no longer be the same evil person they were before, they wouldn't be the one you find "undeserving". Because someone can always change their mind. Just because that kind of change doesn't seemingly happen very often in this life doesn't mean much. Human life usually lasts about 75 years. Eternity is an entirely different matter.



That having been said, I don't think Rowling would ever even think about showing Voldemort reform in death. That would just be far too wierd. But showing Tom Riddle reform, that might actually work (though it would still be very unlikely to be in the book). Because I've noticed that Tom Riddle and Voldemort seem to be 2 very distinct personas. Riddle may have been severely effed up, but he was still HUMAN, and despite everything, I think he was still a character you could sympathise with, feel sorry for. I've always felt sorry for him, rather then hating him (or at least I did once I read HBP). But Lord Voldemort? The appearance alone makes it impossible to feel sorry for him, he's a freaking monster! His mannerisms completely lack any sort of humanity, unlike Riddle. He's incapable of most human emotions. He's vile, dispicable, the worst sort of creature. But if his soul were to be reconstructed, that would change. His personality would revert to a human one (but still one that has killed and maimed). He would regain human traits such as the ability to phyically feel pain, or the ability to feel human emotions. He might even begin to look human again. My point is, he would just be "Tom Riddle" again, not "Lord Voldemort". He'd still be evil, but he would be far less dangerous in some ways (actually, probably all ways, considering he'd probably be DEAD ). Voldemort lacks the ability to feel sympathy or compassion (though in real life such a person would be impossible). Tom merely lacks the initiative. So if Voldemort's soul ever became whole again, it would be possible for him to reform, but still not likely to happen any time soon. It would probably take a long, long time.

JKR has stated clearly that she is a Christian so I just don't see her talking about soul reformation in the afterlife. Sorry but its a good idea anyway I just don't think she would do that.

^^^Yeah, like I said, I can't see a Voldemort reformation either, but I can see the possibility of a Tom Riddle reformation.

But you're right. JKR is Christian, and they basically believe that once you're dead, you're eternal fate is chosen, so she probably would never even leave the possibility open that he could reform.

I'm definitely feeling that Ginny might die, causing Harry to finally harden himself for the final fight, when he will somehow sacrifice himself to kill Voldemort. Hermione and Ron will most likely live, since their being together has been set up since the beginning. However, I think if one side of a romance dies, Rowling will have to kill the other one in retaliation. Leaving people essentially as widows or widowers would be too tragic, and have no bright side, which is not Rowling's style.

Another possibility would be Snape sacrificing himself in a similar way to Lily, showing that even he can use the power of love.

My current (and undoubtedly wrong) prediction for deaths is Ginny and Harry, since Rowling said that 2 main characters would die.

I think Voldemort should die, of course. Harry might die if it is to save the Wizarding world. I think perhaps one of the trio will die -most likely Ron, but I've always kind of liked the idea of Ron and Hermione together-. I think that there are too many Weasleys for them all to live, so maybe one of them will die. Snape may die protecting Harry (I'm ok with this idea) or Harry may kill him. Perhaps some Order members will die, not Remus or Tonks though -I like the idea of them together- but maybe Kingsley or Moody. Hagrid may die, causing Harry further sadness...but I really don't want Hagrid to die either...I really don't want any of them to die!!!!!

If Snape is bad...there's no telling what I'll do, him being bad wouldn't be right...but then why'd he kill DD? ...

If Harry dies I may jump off a building, seriously, I would be too sad...

I think that maybe Lupin will die, James and Sirius both died protecting Harry, so maybe Lupin will too. 3 best friends all dying to protect Harry?

hello there

well i would say the following:

on the bad side voldemort will die. Harry will kill him

from the good side i think Ron will die.

I have a hunche that Harry will also die but voldemort wont kill him..........another death eater will kill him

thats what i think


luv ya all