I mentioned this briefly in another thread (Will Hermione turn evil?) but then I thought it was an interesting idea and should be discussed further.

Ollivander uses 3 different magical cores in his wands - Dragon's heartstring, Unicorn Hair or phoenix feather. Harry, Hermione and Ron together unite these cores - Harry has phoenix feather, Hermione has Dragon heartstring, and Ron has unicorn hair. I don't think this is accidental. I think it is one of those things that is just thrown in there and you don't think about it, but then turns out to be the key to everything.

However, I don't have any solid ideas about what the significance of these wand cores actually is just that they have a role to play. Any theories?

I can see where you got this idea from. Ollivander does say that "It's the wand that chooses the wizard, not the wizard that chooses the wand." Maybe the Death Eaters will look down on Voldemort's wand because it is connected to a mudblood- Harry, and a muggle lover- Dumbledore. Maybe by casting his wand away or trying to make it different, Voldemort will really make his wand weaker. Also, maybe we'll find out more about how the wand chooses the wizard, because I do not think that the wand cores are coincidental.

Nice idea!

Chubbles

Just had another idea, too. Harry and Voldemort can't actually do battle with their wands, because of the Priori Incantatem thing, so I think this adds to my idea that all 3 of the wands need to come together to defeat Voldy.
Also, the feathers in their wands both come from Fawkes, so maybe he still has a part to play? But that's another topic......

Good point, x-ecutioner. Maybe because Voldy knows he can't battle Harry with his own wand, he took Ollivander to help him (Or, maybe Ollivander joined him willingly). As we know, the wand chooses the wizard, so maybe Voldy couldn't just get another wand and needs Ollivander to help him solve the problem.

We'll probably find everything out about Mr. Ollivander eventually. We'll also probably find out about the different cores. I had never even realised that there were only three different cores!
They probably signify different levels of power from the wizard, different personalities, or different futures...?

There are probably other things that can be used for wand cores (In fact, doesn't Fleur's wand have a veela hair as its core?), but Ollivander only uses Dragon Heartstring, Phoenix feather and Unicorn Hair

Would you like a crumpet? yeah, along with the rest of you, I never noticed there were only three, though he uses like a million different types of wood, ok not that many, but I want to exagerate so I will. The Prior Incatatum (which I don't like how the pronounced it in the movie) should play a part, as will the protections that Harry's parents left on him, one of which the Dark Lord has already found a way to defeat. You know, because I'm such a nerd, I'm going to do as much as I can from that scene out of my own memory. "Ah! Mister Potter! I was wondering when I would see you here. It's seems only yesterday that your, mother and father were in here buying thier first wands. Ah!... Well, give it a wave! No, no!.... No, No, definatly not!.... I wonder.... Curious, very curious." "I'm sorry, sir. What's curious?" "It is curious that you should be destined for this wand, when its brother gave you thhat scar." "And who was this wizzard?" "Ah! We do not speak his name! You see, Mister Potter, it is the wand that chooses the wizzard. It's not always clear why, but what is clear is that you will do great things, Mister Potter. After all, (substituting with the Dark Lord) did great things, Mister Potter. Terrible, yes, but great!" I love that scene, though I think I skipped some stuff, but hey, it filled space, and brought back good memories, what's better than that besides chocolate? Well, a lot of things, but still. We should delve farther into the Prior Incantatum, and how the Dark Lord plans to do battle with Harry, which by the way, is so freaking hot! It would make me so happy, really. Wow, I've been on this website so long that I'm starting to replace words like happy, with Harry without even thinking about it! Creapy, I should go eat some food.

~La MaitressedeMort

Hmmm.... reading this theory has made my very tired brain think of something; something which may be mad but hey.

As we all know seven is the most powerful magical number. Well, I was just thinking what if seven wands of differnt cores united. Actually no...this sounds stupid. Hmmm.... if these seven different wands were used in unison then maybe they would have such a powerful effect that destroyed Voldemort.

I dunno....it a theory i suppose.

every thing that has been in earlier books will have to play some part in the final book else their wouldnt be any point in mentioning it. although the books have more incidenses and detail the films could be a good source of prediction becuse JK has a hand in the editing so when the books are put to film major facts to the plot arent missed because their would be no point to the films if they missed out chunks of relevant information.

i feel that olivander went by his own free will because of the scene in the shop in book one, the way he talks about what LV did their is a passion and love for it and that cant just be a coincidence.

also last but not least. from the confirmed rumours Harry will face LV for the last time in the final book, also the profecy only mentions that LV will make harry his equal. nice ideas tho!!

roll on july 2007!!!!!!

Hello all,

Well, I am not sure I will clear anything with this post, but I think I have come across some interesting facts, which some of you may have noticed, that I feel are worth exploring some more.

The first is that Ollivander is an anagram for “An evil lord”. It might be coincidence, but another anagram we see in the book is the one for “I am Lord Voldemort” Perhaps it nothing but JK being ingenious with a play on words, but perhaps she might be hinting at the true colours of certain characters this way. If that is the case, then it might explain why Ollivander seems to have gone willingly as there was no sign of a struggle, where as, with Florean Fortescue seems to have been “dragged off by the look of his place”. I personally do not know what to believe just yet; perhaps he went willingly, but simply out of the love for his craft. He might place more importance on the wands than anything else, for instance, he is awed at the fact that while Lord V did terrible unjustified things, they were great things none the less. I mean, to him regardless of what the outcome is, there will always be the need for his craft.
Again, I am not sure on anything, but perhaps some of you can speculate some more

As for the signinficance of the wand cores, regardless of what the true colors of Ollivander are, I feel Lord V needs him to make him a new wand since he probably does not want to run any risks of the prioi incantatem happening again. He might even see his wand as a weakness... perhaps he might even blame it for robbing him of the opportunity of klling HP.

Cheers!!

Hmmm, the wand cores....what this really boils down to is why does the wand choose the wizard and what is the relationship between them? I really have no idea. It was one of those things I also took for granted. I think that it is a major plot changer. I bet that it will have something to do with ancient magoc that LV once again overlooks to his downfall.

Kymar, good observation.
La MaitressedeMort, love that scene as well.

i think that this is too far fetched. i dont think that jk rowling would go into that much thought just about a silly thing like that i think that even though your idea is well thought out i dont think that it is very credible

I have a theory...In PoA when they are in the shreiking shack Harry disarms Snape but he isn't the only one who did. Hermione and Ron did at the same exact time as him and Snape doesn't merely get disarms he gets knocked unconcious! Does this mean that when all three of Ollivanders cores a re united the result is a more powerful outcome on the spell or charm? A thoery I think might come into play in book 7...something to think about I guess?

wow i never thought of that!

i suppose it ties in with the fact that harry ron and hermione all kill voldy at the sam eitme theory but i could be very important in another way, avn't figured that way oput yet though!

maybe the only way to conquer voldemort will to use the same spell with all three cores at the same times. something happening like priori incantantem

or am i just going crazy?

I totally agree with everything that had been said about the wand cores.
About Harry's and Voldy's wands, i think that beacause of the priori, Voldemort's wand got slightly disfunctional. that's why he's got Ollivander.

I'll explain why it got disfunctional:
when the priori happened, and the curses united in the middle between the two wizards, Voldemort was in charge of the connection, that it go nearer to harry's wand. but Harry plucked up his will and pushed the light of the curses towards Voldy's. during the close up to Harry's wand, Harry felt his wand getting hotter and it was shaking uncontrollably. and that's exactly what happened to Voldy's wand. but it got connected with the beam of light of the priori. so i guess it got red hot and wood doesn't bear getting hot (the effect was doubled maybe trippled).

you know after i read it all through i felt that i was blabering, but it all makes sence over all.

i dont think it would work because ron and hermione have always like d eachother so if hp and ginny it a spell at the same time it would doulb

salazar Slytherin
maybe the only way to conquer voldemort will to use the same spell with all three cores at the same times. something happening like priori incantantem

or am i just going crazy?
trust me its not like that
more like in eragon when eragon and spharai do magic toghter they have more power to do more damage (i ve raed the books

back to the ootp the death eathers dont love
but ron and hermione do
Back to the (all the books ) dd said to harry love that is what makes him differt form voldy love
plz tell me if im worng !!!!

has anybody considered voldemort gettiing a new pheonix feather for his wand?

i think the wand cores symbolize the different levels and kinds of power. the phoenix core might mean bravery. even though voldemort did terrible horrible things he had to be brave to do them, especially making horcruxes. and there is no doubt that Harry is brave. i think they reflect the power, personality and future intentions of the wizard. who knows? also this may be off topic but does the fact that the phoenix from witch Harry's wand core was made is Fawkes? i know it's important that both Harry and Voldemort's wands were from Fawkes, but why did JKR make it that particular phoenix? just something to think about.

hi all,

i'd like to refer back to Lina's post. I agree with what you said Lina, but do you think that during the time the wands connected, not only did Lv's wand weaken, perhaps Harry's strengthened. Maybe (although J.K. might not want to use the same idea twice) some of LV's power was transferred to Harry or just his wand and he just hasn't yet come across it. Actually, come to think of it, maybe that's the reason behind Harry and LV's stornger conection in the following books. Maybe it was why Harry had more visions and stuff; not only the fact that LV had his body back, but the Priori Incantatem too.

let me know what you think,
*Princess* xxx

I like this idea of the three cores united to kill Voldy, i mean,

someone must have tried to kill him sometime but maybe

the power of a single wand wasn't strong enough.

I also agree with eagleanimagous about the different

wands, different power thing. Harry and Voldy share the

same core because they are of equal power , Voldy made

Harry his equal, right? So Harry will need the added power

of Ron and Hermione's wands to help him defeat Voldy.

By the way VeneficusFerox well done for spotting that

"ollivander" rearanges to spell "an evil lord" , I could never

have thought of that, you should be proud! It's a sign for

sure!

= )

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT JUST THIS MORNING! when i was just reading the first harry Potter book this morning. This was the first time i had read the BOOK so i really got an insight into some more clues to the other books. Mr Ollivander knows that both Harry and Voldemort's wands were made from the tail feathers of the same phoenix. This according to him was 'unusual' because..."It just so happens that the phoenix tail which resides in your wand gave another feather, just one other"...by which so means that that the outcome of Harry and Voldemort being given the same wands connect brilliantly with the predictions laid down by the prophesy of Harry Potter. This suggests that from the time this phoenix gave two feathers instead of the usual one, the Prophesy would have begun, even though Professor Trelawny made the prediction on a different day. So, in other words, the phoenix made the phrophesy in the first place.

In rumours, people have confirmed that Fawkes will perhaps play a bigger role in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and i think this has something to do with it. I have only just come across a discovery early this morning, when i began reading Harry Potter and the Philospher's Stone, that Fawkes is that very Phoenix whom gave that exact tail feather. Afterall, Phoenix's are eternal creatures and one particular fan even made their very own poster showing Fawkes carrying the phrophesy in his claws. Now i am not suggesting atall that this fan knows something we don't because that would be impossible because JK is the obly one who knows what is going to happen or turn out like in the very end, but i think that their example demonstrates perfectly how that might look if Fawkes was the bearer of the legend of how the Phrophesy came into being, besides the prediction of Professor Trelwany herself. Afterall, fortune tellers do not create a prophesy out of thin air, they merely repeat it from spiritual warning. Anyway, Fawkes must be that very phoenix which made the phrophesy/legend come true as well as given its power to serve both sides of that legend (i.e. its very own tail feather residing in wands of both good and evil). This will consequently reflect on what is to come of Fawkes in the seventh and final book; he will reveal to be quite special and due to him belonging once to Dumbledore, he remains on the good side and will therefore help Harry discover what he must do to bring down Lord Voldemort - by getting the same Phoenix, which contributed towards the two wands, to immitate its power and increase the force of Harry's in iscolation of Voldemort's.

Just to add, i completely forgot that Fawkes WAS actually the Phoenix which gave Harry and Voldemort both their wands, so i'm sorry about me thinking i had made a sudden discovery. I probably only just come to realise it this morning because there was something already in my mind reminding me of this but i just didn't grasp the fact that i heard it before and not just this morning. Sorry.

i agree with eagleanimagous that is a relly good idea and i also agree that all of the trio (harry,hermine,and ron) have to team up to kill lv i think that is why hermine and ron said that they where going to follow harry no matter where he went

i dont think that they will all fight dumbledore . because harry has already made it clear that he doesnt want to put any of his freinds in harms way. and for the whole brother wand thing i think Lv had olivander kidnapped to make him a new wand so he ccan face harry

hi everyone

i was just reading this forum and i would like to suggest an idea we all know that Ollivander uses only three wand cores: those from dragons, phoenixes and unicorns. this does not come as a shocker me saying that those three creatures are the most famous magical creatures in the world not including that they could be the most powerful. Now if we were to look back every thing magical becomes more powerfull when there is seven of that, and we know that seven is the nº of horocruxes, seven are the virtues, sins and many other things now i was just thinking that maybey i dosen't have to be 3 wands that kill voldy why not 7! it makes sense maybe there could be wands with cores of sphinx hair, acromantula?, basilisk, and many other powerfull magical creatures

i got the idea from the foum of having seven people united to kill voldy, so if there are seven people why not seven wands

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ps im very sorry if somebody has allredy put forth this idea