Wow. This IS going to be one heck of a way with that many people dying!
Grand piano or not many people seem to think that Hagrid will die. And then other than Hagrid, who will it be? Like pointed out earlier, Lupin might become a more important character to Harry throughout the 7th book, so maybe JKR will kill him off?

i agree that lupin will become important in the 7th book. he was one of james' best friends so he's yet another father figure for harry. and as we've come to see harry's father figures tend to die. i'm really hoping this isn't true and i would cry so hard if hagrid died but it would make sense.

veritaserum is a way to find out who's telling the truth. But Slughorn carried around an antidote to Veritaserum, so the death eaters probably do too. Also, I don't think Krum will go evil unless he's put under the Imperious Curse again . And he'll probably not join the DE's
The trio should definitely join but they have't left school so will they be allowed?

This is my first mooop post so.......yeah!

Hey I wanna join......

So, yea Lupin will probably be a more important figure in Book 7. Now that I think about it, JKR is fond of killing off Harry's "family" figures. Krum hasn't been very active in the last 2 books. He might not appear in #7 could he? Well it is a possibility. Yeah and something tells me Hagrid will kick the bucket.

hey, i wanna join M.O.O.O.P. too!

ok, maybe this is a little too much thinkin, but maybe jk wouldn't kill of hagrid or lupin because she thought everyone would assume that. i mean, it seems like <<at least to me>> that each person that's died has been a suprise to me. jk is pretty unpredictable. so i don't think that it would be that easy figure out who she's gonna kill of next, or why.
~claire
ps. also, about the grand piano and the grandfather clock thing, sorry, but i do think that's reading a little too much between the lines. if every part of jk's stories were that significant, it'd take her like, a lifetime to write a book! then again.....it has been awhile....

hey claireelizabeth, pheonixfeathers, dracoharryluver, and bella is my grasshopper, welcome to MOOOP!

yeah, jk is unpredictible, i dont think hagrid or lupin will die. i mean, you wouldve never thought that dd would die, but he did. maybe snape will.......
and i do think that now lupin will be the closest one to harry's father, hes the only one left.

Yes, it is true that JKR is undpredictable... So let's think unpredictably! Who would you least expect to die, yet have it make sense? Any ideas?

hey guys, er ahah ive read that same segment again and again and i realized something,

hagrid is the keeper of the keys right? well, the piano was found broken on the ground, with a bunch of keys! sooooo that mean that hagrid can die!!!!! even though thats a real big waste

but some evidence points to him, he was in fact like a mentor to harry, one of his first friends... annddd lupin, as some of you have stated will prolly step in. and hes like that last of the marauders. sooo


she takes so long to write the books, and thats why theyre so darn good! lmao

that maybe reading a bit too much reading b/w the lines, but hey, its good to be safe. it alwasy helps reading between the lines. always. b/c then you can find double meanings for things.

andddd i just kinda thought up this random thing... what if the "pendulum" was like, a horcrux? yea i know its a little fa rfetched but gahh... its so much fun to analyze!

think about it, take a second please =D

Finally, someone understand me!
By pendulum, you mean the actual pendulum, or Dumbledore's wand, that was referred to as a pendulum?
Interesting thought...

that IS interesting, the pendulum might be, but i dont think, if it was, it would be dd's, because he would know, and he would tell harry.

another one of my crazed theories- i think tonks will die. it would be totally unexpected and she seems so depressed. i think greyback might kill her because of lupin. or maybe he'll bite her and they can get married and have four happy werewolf kids. that would be sweet.

Taylor, you're right.. massive overload of Mooop posts..

First of all, before I forget - Drinotonks, stag, Aziraphale, phoenixfeathers, dracoharryluver, and claireelizabeth, huge welcome to you all! Hope you like it here!

So, we're back to the good old death-list discussion. I am usually very skeptical about the "reading between the lines," but the grand piano trick does sound very intriguing. Especially when you think of Hagrid as being the keeper of the keys. (I can't believe that's me talking But JKR does leave a lot of clues in her books..) Anyway, regardless of the piano and the grandfather clock, Hagrid is still at a very high risk of being killed of. He is a very lovable character and readers have come to adore him - which is usually when JKR chooses to destroy her heroes. Hagrid has been near death quite a few times, maybe in the events to come, he won't be able to hang on much longer. Depressing thoughts..
As for Lupin.. It would be too cruel for JKR to murder him too. She already took Sirius and Dumbledore away from Harry, so I think she will let Lupin survive.

And finally, as for the pendulum being the horcrux, I think that is reading too much between the lines.. A horcrux must be a very significant object.

lol yea i was just going crazy about the horcrux thing

it was like 1 at night right? idk... lol

but yea hagrid is definitely lovable and maybe hell die like, in a stupid way, like a way that would make readers think "what the...?". gahh hold on i mean to say that hell die in a way that no one would expect b/c its so silly, for a halfgiant like him.

hah i mean the pendulum could be like not a wand, but a clue?? idk...

hmm i totally never thought thaat tonks would be one of the ones to die. it is highly unlikly but at the same time so have many of the things that have already happened. but i like the thought of werewolf kids. that's cute lol.


but i agree on the pendulum thing. dd did a lot of research on the horcruxes i really don't think he would look that over.

tonks isn't depressed anymore, now that Lupin is with her.

yeah, I actually noticed the pendulum grandfather clock thing! when I read dumbledore dieing, I finished the book, went back to the beginning to see why it seemed familiar, andn there it was, an old clock with its valued...acessory, shall we? lieing not to far. than I noticed the piano and when I thought "keys...keys" I was like " Oh no, Hagrid!!!"

and how could it be a horcrux? voldemort had no clue to where slughorn ws hiding. and that doesn't seem like something voldemort would make into a horcrux. and I doubt slughorn made it.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

What's the "pendulum"? Please, explain, I don't remember and I'm too bored to open up a dictionnary...!

As for the death-list... i'm 100% sure that someone we like WILL actually die, fair and square, you know... Hopefully, it won't be Harry of course, Ron, Hermione and Hagrid. Especially Hagrid, he is so nice and protective! Maybe someone from the Weasley family, like Percy, whom I hate. Or Moody... I don't know... We'll just have to wait and see!
By the way, when will the last book be released?

wow, lot of questions there.

we don't know whe it will be out, J.K won't tell us, the big meanie. *Sees death glares from other members* kidding, kidding!

a pendumlum is the swining part in some anitque clocks. one of the previous posters thought that the pendulum that was on the floor on Slughorns house was a horcrux. however, its not likely.

percy probably, the only reason i see him being spared is for one big happy weasly family thing. moody is a good choice, who knows?

my guess is probably peter repaying hus life debt and neville protecting harry or something, who knows? its to confusing.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

yeh, that whole pendulum thing seems kind of "out there". riddle only made the horcruxes things HE found valuable, and the pendulum didnt seem very important.

hey guys, people DONT die too you know, everyone wont die in the book. one quick thing though, i dont think percy will die, he doesnt have a main part and only the people with main parts die in jks books.

I think that the pendelum and the clock might have been a very good foreshadowing tool (well we shall see in the next book), but not neccissarily a Horcrux. I agree that the simplest evidence of why it is not a Horcrux is that Voldemort used things he thought were important. And I doubt that part of a clock in some muggle's house is important to him.

I'm sure at lest one of the Weasleys will die, which one though, I'm not sure.

Thanks bluezz for the welcome.
It's kinda late in Aus so I'm off to bed but firstly if you killed Tonks that would be so sad, she's not super important enough, yet important enough to make people upset that she would get killed, not because she's depressed as we know she isn't any more but it's more tragic because things are just starting to work for her which would make it worse! I'll say more on my who's going to die theory tomorrow or the next day...soon anyway when i'ts not so late, but I am intrigued by the pedulum theory I will have to go back and read more
Night all

Well, the pendulum theory is interesting, but it's kinda unlikely...
About the horcruxes...
1. Locket
2. Ring
3. Book
4. Cup
5. Voldie himself
6. Harry (a theory not everyone agrees on)
7. Nagini or something of Ravenclaw

Do you think that Voldemort had been able to find anything of Ravenclaw's? Maybe something briefly mentioned in the books...

lmao, guys you misunderstood me! ( and i wasnt very clear on it either) i mean to say thatt the pendulum is somehitng that dumbledore has in his possession, and it could signify the horcrux, not thta it is the horcrux.

also, i know that this isnt the "who is RAB?" forum

but i wanna say that its someone we already know, and im kinda thinking its snape... b/c it would make sense and answer a lot of questions... i know my friend and i are wierd


alsoo it would be cool if someone could give me the link to that specific "who is rab?" forum. thatd be realllly cool

and stag, i do think that harry could be a horcrux kinda (since he was marked??), so then he could destroy himslef...


hoe snap!!! maybe he will! hhahha

Thanks for the support!
That makes a lot more sense - the pendulum being a clue. JKR packs clues in the unlikeliest places of the books. Like the locket that many people think is the one Regulus Black retrieved was merely mentioned amid other objects that Harry was cleaning at the House of Black.
Once you come to think of it, the locket, like the pendulum, was lying a small distance away form Dumbledore when he died, and it turned out to be fake.

As a matter of intrest, what do you think the pendelum could symbolize?

And, yes, I think that Voldemort will be capable to find something of Hufflepuff's. I think that we have seen all the Horcruxes already somewhere in one of the books, probably the simplest objects that we have all just overlooked.

About Harry being a Horcrux- even though this is not the correct thread, I just can't see how it's possible. In my mind there is no way. But I'll leave that for the other thread, as we needn't discuss it in here.


I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying right here... Do you care to elaborate a tad bit more? I understant the part about the locket not being far from Dumbledore's body, but where did the pendelum come from?

That's nothing important, really, I'm just comparing. Because I think that the "grandfather clock" in the scene of the destruction symbolizes Dumbledore, because he's also grandfatherly, and like the grandfather clock, Dumbledore was lying on his back in the scene of his "destruction". With the grandfather clock, the pendulum was lying a little distance away from it, and with Dumbledore, the locket was lying a little distance away from him. Also, the pendulum and the locket even look alike - they're both gold, and both of them have heavy golden circles dangling from them (the locket part, minus the chain, is circular; pendulums usually have round ends).



I agree on that, because the golden locket "that nobody could open" in the OotP that many people think is Slytherin's locket was just casually mentioned in the cleaning scene at the house of Black. Also, there are seven horcruxes and seven books.

hmmm, your right. lets see....okay, ive got nothing. there are probably more horcruxes we've overlooked but i cant think of anything right now.

just a small little point, when i was thinking of other horcruxes, i tried to think of anything that was rushed. for instance, the locket that they couldnt open was rushed because while they were describing all the things they found, they elaborated and said a lot on it.but for the locket it was just, "a small locket they couldnt get open..." or whatever. get what i'm saying?

you dont think the black family banister/tree (or whatever it was) is a horcrux, do you?

Well, not really, because it can't possibly be Voldemort's horcrux. But I do agree that the horcruxes mentioned have probably been rushed. I'm finishing rereading the 6th book right now, and then I'll go throught the books again and keep a list of possible horcruxes.

Oh thank you stag that would be helpful!



No, I'd have to say that I don't. It just doesn't seem plausible. How could have Voldemort gotton to it? Besides, Grimmauld Place is unplottable so I don't think he knows about it. Also, if we're going purely on the fact that the Horcruxs were rushed, that wouldn't make sense because I believe they spent quite sometime looking over the tree.



Oh!!! I get it now! Sorry mate, you have to explain a lot when talking to me! I love that comparison! (Now that I understand it!) I'm not sure if even JKR herself noticed that. Very good eyes!

Doubt there is, Who was secret keeper? Sirius or DD? Oh well, don't matter, they'd be the last people to rat out Grimauld place to them, or there wouldnt be a horcrux, so no, there isnt. I think.

If I remember correctly, Grimmauld Place was not unplottable until the Order moved in. It did have heavy magic protecting it, but it wasn't unplottable. But even then, the family tree holds no impotance to Voldemort - it cannot be a horcrux.

I'm with the majority on this one, the family tree isn't a horcrux, t's not significant or of value. I presume that Voldemort would have been a welocomed guest in that house in his youth, as we know that he didn't make those horcruxes yesterday, so it would have been easy for him to access the house, but I don't know when the remaining tennants of that house died?

I am almost certain that all seven horcruxes have appeared, remember JK knew the ending of this story when she started wrting it so she knew when to plant clues. I like a few others are going to go back and read them now to look for anything 'brief' or 'rushed' that could be symbolic, I'll let yu know if I find anything.

I do have one question though, Dumbledore presumes he wanted something of value from each of the house founders, but the sword is safe we know this, but where was it before it appeared in the Chamber? I know it's not a horcrux or Dumbledore would have realised, but does anyone have any idea where it was hiding before, if it was in the possession of someone do they know it's gone? And surely even young Tom would have noticed this valuabl object when he saw it in the Chamber?

I love the pedulum theory, I think JK puts everything in there for a reason, so it's highly likely that that imagery was put in there to metaphorically symbolise what was coming. But it's one of those situations that you only realise after the event, unfortunately.

In regards to the locket do you think there is any chance Regulus Black didn't take it? I haven't heard any theories on the contrary and I don't have any but is it possible that this answer is too easy? Perhaps it could be like Nicolas FLammel? Have we heard a R.A.B on a card with the chocolate frogs?

Oh wow, I haven't been on this thread for a while...

Do you think that the Sorcerers Stone was a horacrux? Because if voldemort was so eager to get his hands on it so that he could become mortal again, why didn't he just use one of his horcuxs? Or do they only work when one has a body to fill it with?

Lets see, in the second book it was the diary and that was destroyed. I don't know if there was anything in the 3rd or 4th book... And in the 5th there was the locket... was that really the locket horacrux? The locket is a horcrux right? Is RAB Regalus or is it someone else? What were you saying about snape?
~snitch

rerrr.... i really dont think the Sorcerors stone was a horcrux b/c Voldy darling just wanted it for immortality, so that he didnt have to use the remaining horcruxes, until neccessary? i think quirrels head or something was a horcrux XD

errr i also think that the sword was always in Dumby's possession. (or at least in the headmasters position). it didnt just appear in the chamber, it was in the sorting hat, which dumbledore had.

and bluezz ive just been reading the OOTP today (lmao) and it said that i has always been unplottable even in the present place they were in i think haha

and im very intrigued with the chocolate frogs thing. maybe hes like, someone we know



also my friend and i have made a list of all the things that were something but symbolizzed something else (but i cant find it! i only remembered this one )

what if RAB were just a nickname, or a name that we dont know yet, but it belongs to a character that we already know? i dont know

hahaa stag you got the grandfather thing from me ( i think) ! lmaooo i rub off on ppl alot!


so yea? what do you think?

Well I'm glad someone thinks there may be something in the chocolate frogs cards maybe I'll pay closer attention to the names and any hidden nicknames next time I read. I could be wrong but I just think RAB shouldn't be that easy to figure out? There has to be more to it?

I don't think the philosopher's stone was a horcrux to me it would be a waste, it would be a double horcrux in a way because it already provided the elixir of life.

Thanks Aziraphale for the opinion on the sword there was never any explaination as to where it came from I just wondered.

I believed wrong, then Nonetheless, the family tree tapestry holds little importance to Voldemort. Oh, by the way, I doubt Tom Riddle was a frequent guest at the Black House. After all, he wasn't a pureblood wizard.

As for the sorcerer's stone - unlikely. Voldemort only needed the stone to return his body and regain full power. He couldn't just "use" a horcrux to do that. The horcruxes kept him from dying when the spell backfired, since he could not die with six pieces of his soul in other locations. The objects do not have the power to "revive" the body, however.

And the chocolate frog cards are a possibility as well. This is again one of my "if I believe correctly" statements, but didn't JKR say in an interview that we already met RAB somewhere in books 1-6?

Now, about that theory saying the Black's family tree as a horcrux, I don't think that's impossible, or unlikely. I mean, don't you think that Voldemort would appreciated a "list" of how all the pure-blood familys are connected?
And how he would know, or have acces to grimmauld place, I think you are forgetting the fact that Sirus' little brother Regulus, was a death eater. Which doesn't make it unlikely that he might have told Voldemort about it, AND where to find it.

I don't know, but to me this makes sense..

you know honestly i believe that regulus might have been closer to voldemort then we've been lead to believe. i mean honeslty he very well could be RAB. but that's kinda far i mean if he is in fact our mysterious RAB then he might know if the tapestry was a horcrux he did know about the locket. of course thiss is in assuming that what i say is what happened.

but honestly i just find it very hard to believe that the tapestry is a horcrux it's just way to far fetched even for the off thing that have happened. but then again i could be completly wrong.

hahaano problem Drino



i dont think that he would like the tapestry, cux itskinda undermining knowing that youre a halfblood amongst purebloods... idk.

but yea, i thikn it would be good to review all the chocolate frog segments. and i dont htink that she said that we met him, but many believe it.

ad yea i totally gree with bluezzz (nahahaha blues clues)

but wouldnt there be like 7 partsof his soul? cuz seven is a magic number...

andddd i just noticced somehting

in OOTP the numberMr. weasley punches into the phone at the ministry of magic is like 62442 which spells "magic" on the phone! omfg hahahah


yea

How exactly did the Potters and the Longbottoms 'thrice defy Voldemort'? (here are some new topic questions??)
If Voldemort lost his body at Godric's Hollow, then who retrieved his wand?
is snape working for himself? the half blood anatagonist. muahaha

Voldemort did extensive research into his own family background when he was at Hogwarts. He started this in his first year, searching for the name of Riddle. Almost immediately, he would have noticed the interconnections between the pureblood wizarding families. Later, switching to his mother's family when the Riddle search turned fruitless, he found the name of Gaunt, and their connection with Slytherin (and Peverell, though JKR does not say much about this).

The point I am making is: he knew he was the Heir of Slytherin in 1942, when he was twelve years old. He could only have known that through an extensive search in the family trees of pureblood wizards -- this knowledge goes much further than the information on the Black Family Tree, and is likely to include everything there is to know about the Most Noble and Ancient House of Black.

So he wouldn't need the tapestry for anything.

I don't agree with the tapestry being a horcrux, either. Why would Voldemort need it? It isn't that closely related to him, and like bumblebee pointed out, he has done a lot of research without the tapestry. He knows everything he needs to.

If we've already met RAB, I think it's Regulus Black, because RAB seems like initials to me, not a nickname.

Something I've been wondering myself: how did Voldy get his wand back after he almost died 16 years ago?

okay, okay, maybe it isnt a horcrux! just an idea!

i dont think it was regulus black. someone mentioned this earlier (im too lazy to check) that jk wouldnt make it that obvious. i agree. regulus black is TOO easy. no, i think instead shes gonna lead us into thinking its him, and then in the end suprise us.

hey, the pendulum isnt that important either.

Yeah, the pendulum was just a comparison.

On further thought, I agree with you about how JKR wouldn't make RAB that obvious. I'm going to start rereading after my other book reports will be done, and I'll keep an eye out for possibilities. But if RAB really are initials, then JKR must've mentioned someone with them really slyly. Or else it'd've been easier to remember. Hmm...Only people with a first name starting with R whom I know are Remus and ... that's it, really. Need to reread!

Maybe the pendulum isn't important as a foreshadowing of events in the last book, but it may be important simply as a symbol.

About Voldemort's wand - I'm not sure that he did get his old wand back. When he just returned, I think, he was using someone else's wand. Afterwards, he probably got a new one just for himself. There was speculation that he kidnapped Olivander for that reason.. Although I'm not so sure about that. But he is the Dark Lord, after all, I'm sure he can get himself a wand

haha thats cool bluezz (the wand/ollivander thing)


yea the pendulum thing was a comparison

stag you totally copied my question lolll

anyyway. im saying that like, (bumblebee)
voldemort might be heir to slytherin, butttt, he still is halfblood. but you have a valid point

and RAB definitely has to be someone else now that JK knows we think its regulus. she has to change it. its definitely too easy.





is snape working for himself? the half blood anatagonist. muahaha

I think rab has to be regulas because that means it is possible kreater has a holocrux, the locket. remember the locket noone could open in ootp. Harry has to have a freeebi holocrux or else the book will be at least a thousend pgs long not that i woud mind.
I also agree that the black family treee thing is not a holocrux. Voldormort made by dd reconing 6 holocruxs ment to make his last one after killing harry. So this is the list as best i can come up with.
1 diary/ destroyied
2.ring/destroyied
4locket/ unkown
5cup/unkown
6 nagini
7 if he made one which i doubt somthing of grifendors of ravenclaws.
so that means he has3 or 4 to destroy and voldie. thats a lot!
so he needs at least one freebi.
almost forgaot mods please do't kill me but how do you get a signature and a photo. Moop is way cool!

I think you are forgetting "Priori Incantatem" -- it has to be his old wand for it to have interacted this way with Harry's wand ... it had to have been the wand that Ollivander sold to Tom Riddle all those years ago, containing the only other phoenix feather that Fawkes had ever given.

I could never remember details like that) It's been ages since I read GoF..
But you are right. In that case, I am guessing Wormtail must have retrieved the wand some time between the Potters' death and setting up Sirius. Hmm.. Improbable, but I don't see many other possibilities. Almost every other Death Eater did not think Voldemort would return.

Wormtail must've returned to the ruins to look for it, yes. I can't think of any other way Voldemort would've gotten his wand back. He already had it in the beginning of GoF, and he couldn't summon his wand without a wand so, yeah...
What question do you mean, Aziraphale?

ahahha bumblebee, you sharp guy yoU!

i researched that.

and i was thinking that to make the connection he would have to have the phoenix feather


so yea.... "quidditch rocks" i aggree he'd have to have a freebee so yea but what was the ring? and what about quirrel's face? lmao


and it might be regulus, but i reallydont know. its someone we alreayd know.. hmmm


and to get your wand, couldnt you like say "accio voldemort;s wand?" haah?

ahahha bumblebee, you sharp guy yoU!

i researched that.

and i was thinking that to make the connection he would have to have the phoenix feather


so yea.... "quidditch rocks" i aggree he'd have to have a freebee so yea but what was the ring? and what about quirrel's face? lmao


and it might be regulus, but i reallydont know. its someone we alreayd know.. hmmm


and to get your wand, couldnt you like say "accio voldemort;s wand?" haah?

...Much obliged. (*takes a bow*)

Anyway. The way I figure it: very soon after the murder of James and Lily, Voldemort's failed attempt to kill Harry and subsequent defeat, the wizarding world knew about it, and started to swarm towards the house at Godric's Hollow.

How did they know? For one thing, everyone who had been Imperiused by Voldemort suddenly came to their senses, and a lot of evil spells lifted. It would have been immediately obvious that something had happened to Voldemort when all of a sudden the darkness that he had cast over the world lifted.

At the same time, people living close to Godric's Hollow might have noticed something about the fight that had taken place there. Perhaps Dumbledore himself had been alerted through some spell or other.

The Ministry would have started an investigation within a few hours of regaining power and coming to their senses. They went over the ruins with a fine toothcomb, trying to piece together what had happened and where Voldemort had gone. If they had found the wand in the ruins, it would certainly have been brought into the Ministry and subjected to Priori Incantatem to see if it had played a part in the mystery -- but it hadn't been found.

Voldemort's body had died, his fragmented soul was in limbo, unable to do anything, unable to summon his Death Eaters, let alone handle the wand, It probably took him years to regain some control, so for all practical purposes he was gone. His Death Eaters couldn't find him.

So who had taken the wand if the Ministry hadn't? Wormtail is a good candidate. He was, after all, the person who brought the wand back to Voldemort. He must have been near Godric's Hollow... safely hiding in the bushes, perhaps planning to come out after Voldemort's success to congratulate him.

Wormtail is a bit of an enigma. He is a coward, but he seems to have been very calculated in his treachery. If he had picked up the wand before Aurors were swarming all over Gocric's Hollow, he had hidden it somewhere before confronting Sirius Black in that street full of Muggles, and had kept it hidden all those years he had been in hiding as Scabbers.

I'm sorry if i can't follow the discussion, but there are so many posts i haven't read, so i'll just ask a question you may have already answered.

Could Voldy's wand be a Horcrux? It is certainly important for him since he had someone looking for it...And it could be a big challenge for harry, to destroy the wand and AFTERWARDS its master...

I believe this is a very interesting question, and that the whole wand thing is very important. I don't believe Wormtail looked for the wand, he was supposed to be dead and he would not be too stupid to go anywhere nearby the area of Potters' house. What about Barty Crutch Junior? Was he arrested by the time Voldy disappeared? Or was he arrested afterwards? Whoever took the wand, i believe is going to be an important person for the plot. Wormtail will certainly play an important role at book 7, since he has a debt to pay at Harry... I hope JKR will explain all of this to us.

This is post 300! Amazing!