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he he! i never said they would ask did i?? erm well i think there would be muggles out there that would insist on helping. even the wizards said no i reckon they would act on their behalf and not let them know....
o can't explain...
not that that matters now anyway

Well i think that that topic/discussion is pretty much worn out so here is a question, not very good but I can't think of a better one and everyone is like repeating themselves for the last question so here it goes.

Who do you think will be the most important member of the Order in DH other than the trio?why?Who will be the most important non-member of the Order in DH?why?

I feel Severus will be the main member of the ORder of the pheonix because of his spy work because the end kind of led up to him being important/mysterious. Also, DD won't be able to do too much being dead and all. Lupin will also be pretty important, just a gut feeling.

R.A.B./Regulus Black will probably be important for the fight that isn't a member. Obviously because he took and possibly destroyed the horcrux that DD and Harry tried to get.

~Other then the trio I agree that the most important member will be Severus Snape. I think he will have the most difficult time in book 7 because no one in the Order will trust him now. He will finally have all the inside access to Lord Voldemort because he has "proven" himself to be loyal and now when he could give the order all the information, no one will listen. In essence I think that somehow Harry's survival and victory are directly linked to Severus Snape.

~Most importantly in the fight against Voldemort who isn't an Order member I think will be Peter Pettigrew.*hiss* Personally, I think he smells like the rat he is but he owes Harry. I feel that if Harry is to survive, Wormtail is going to have to show why he was a Griffendor in the first place, show some bravery in the face of certain death and save or tell Harry how to save himself.

~I am just a little confused. Are you of the opinion that R.A.B. is alive? That would help me understand how he would be important to the fight.
~nevillesgirl

I agree with Snape being the most important member of the Order, but do you think they will consider him a member now? I do hope so...I think there will be a very good explination as to what took place at the end of HBP. I so want Snape to redeem himself I dont think I could stand it if he turned out to be faithful servent of LV. I shudder to think of it. Ive said time and time again I Believe Snape is good and will be the one to help Harry through all that lies ahead.

As for the most important non member of the Order~ R.A.B if he is still alive or dead either for that matter, once they figure out who he is or was I think he will play a major role.

Oh this just got me thinking of another question. Do you think that with DD's death Professor Slughorn will remain a teacher at Hogwarts? Will he also join the Order?

I completely agree with love_me_Amortenia
i think Snape will redeem himself after what happened in HBP.
I just feel like what he did couldnt have happened without there being more to it than we are aware of.

As for the most important non order member... the trio comes first, but theres no denying that RAB is going to show his importance in the upcoming novel.

well in the opinion that he is alive but it is kind of doubtful and even if he is daed he will still play a major role.



I doubt he will still teach because DD pretty much had to beg Horace to teach in HBP and without DD still there to will him to teach he will leave because he doesn't want to make the same mistake he did with Tom. AS for joining the Order I am stuck between two ideas, either he will feel as if he owes them help because he sort of helped Tom become LV but then again, he might not because he thinks that they will blame him for what has happened and will hide like a coward. Also, he might not because right now I have a feeling that even as evil as Tom is, he won't kill Horace unless he is put up against him, if he is fighting him Horace is dead but he won't come after him because he helped him because Dark. IF he joins then Tom will have a reason to kill him.

i can see how most people think RAB will play a big role in the next book but i cant help thinking that JK just put him/her in the book just to throw everyone off and just get people thinking

the person i see affecting the story the most from the order (if the order still exists but i dont wanna get off topic) is McGonagall she seems to have alot of pull in the order and she is extremely smart
also i think tonks is gonna do something super im just not sure i think shes gonna do something good and end up dying

the person i see out of the order doing something important is susan bones
i think shes gonna crack and end up killing loads of DE and help the trio in someway

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the person i see out of the order doing something important is susan bones
i think shes gonna crack and end up killing loads of DE and help the trio in someway

I never thought about Susan Bones playing a bigger role, she has been a minor character for the entire series so I am not so sure she will step up in a large way this book either. I think she is just support.

As for who I think will be important inside the order, I have to agree that Severus has a lot more to do in this story. He may end up being kicked out of the order my the remaining members but he will still be critical to how the story plays out. I definately think he is good, even though (please don't yell ) he isn't my favorite character. But Dumbledore is no fool and he wouldn't put that much faith in someone without good cause.

Someone outside the order that will be important?...Draco Malfoy...he is like the middle between two worlds, not really evil but definately not good either. I think he will end up helping Harry and/or the others in some way before the battle ends.

~I thought of Draco Malfoy as well however here is the problem I see with this. Draco is expendable to the Dark Lord. Voldemort had no qualms about using him in HBP and just assuming he would die in the attempt. Now that the attempt has been completed by someone other then Draco, this leaves him in a very tight spot. The Dark Lord sees that he may not be capable of killing. He has no real value to him as a spy or anything else and seeing as he didn't accept Dumbledore's offer to hide him and his family, I don't believe he thinks the order has any power so he won't go to them. I honestly have no idea what Draco is going to do...Hide behind Snape and hope that Severus protects him from the Dark Lord? Go into hiding like Karkaroff and possibly end up dead? His fate is so uncertain...what information could he possibly know that Harry would need?
~nevillesgirl

I thought about this a while ago. I orginally thought that he could help and turn to help the Order but now I realised that he is in too much trouble. Lucious(sp) Malfoy is in Azkaban right? If so then his mother, Narcissa is unprotected. If he helps she is deffinetly dead. That leads me to believe that he will turn good when Severus does. Severus was kind of like a father to Draco and after all Draco is not truly evil he didn't want to kill anyone or even be a DE he was scared that's all. (I can't believe I'm standing up for him. ) When Severus chages sides before he does so he will tell Draco and they, Narcissa, Draco and Severus, help the Order.

This is kind of confusing and whacked. I think im how to say this, losing my marbles. lol

I don't know about Narcissa helping the Order - unless she was under the influence only - she may not be able to 'turn good'. Maybe if Narcissa is faced with a 'help or your son dies' senario she may do what is needed to save her son but intentionally 'helping the Order'? nope

But I do agree about Snape and Draco. Snape is already a subversive in the DE ranks. He now has Draco under his wing and knowing that the dogma and deeds of the DEs is not the only true way. They will help the Order.


Cris

So do i! I think there is a perfect explanation fot what happen at the end. I also beleive that Snape is also as good as ever.



Once again i agree. The way Draco lowered his wand at the end. I defiently think he will help the Order out somehow. He would be a useful spy. He will help i think. He has never appealed to me as murderer or as evil as the Death Eaters. He will proberly help the Order so they can protet his mother or something like that!

sorry if i repeat people here. i am sort-of trying to do several things at once so i don't have a lot time to read through.
i am not sure about Snape so i'll leave him out of the picture.
i think that in the order ... well i don't know because i think nearly everyone is important. so i find it hard to single people out...in fact i hate that. but erm i'll pick a few and say why... because i can't choose one...
Arthur Weasly - his son was attacked my Greyback. when something happens to your own the desire to fight grows stronger. i think he will want revenge....
Lupin - Well he is powerful and wise and always has been. so i think that he will be as important as ever.

out of the order?? erm maybe... wel i really like the points made about Draco but i'm trying to be different so erm...
Prehaps Neville?? i have no idea...i can just imagine him doing something really great and then just staring at his wand with a funny grin. aww bless!

~ First let me address the Neville thing..I always thought Neville would join the Order, I mean if they let the trio in that is but that is another topic...I think that is a great comment and am shocked that no one else least of all me* frowns* has not though of it. I think Neville is going to do something fabulous and it will have to be right, if he's going to take down Bellatrix. The funny grin thing though...I think he's growing up a bit, really seeing how serious this all is...oh Im off topic .I'll stop.

Lupin is a favorite but consider this...he was made prefect in the hopes that he would keep his rowdy friends in line but he didn't assert himself-he didn't speak up. He is wise but do you see him as a strong leader who will contribue something significant? What will he contribute?

~Sorry for the questions, I'm just trying to see your point of view.
~nevillesgirl

I really can't see him being a strong leader, unless something happens with Bill since hes been attacked by Greyback. If thats the case, then I could deffinitely see Remus becoming a leader, or at least someone that everyone looks towards for guidance as to what was happening.
~ sorry if that doesnt make any sense! I'm a little tired!

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think it is too hard to pick the most important person in the order who will be the biggest asset in Deathly Hallows. Everyone will have some score to settle because everyone has been affected by Voldemort in some way. If not some personal grudge like Harry Vs Voldemort or Lupin Vs Greyback or Neville Vs Bellatrix...then they all loved Dumbledore and will want revenge for that. Gosh do I sound wishy washy sorry.
~nevillesgirl

nevillesgirl
i think Neville will join or should join the order. how are off topic?? i don't thinkyou were off topic with the whole Neville will do something great thing.


i did not say leader. and my point was i couldn't really chose. i put Arthur and Lupin as two of many examples....i could not possibly chose. everyone has different qualities etc therefore i could never pick one...

no not wishy washy at all. that is exactly whatr i was thinking... at least you can word it better.

Neville won't join the Order. They made it quite clear in Half-Blood Prince that you must be of age and no longer in school if you wish to join the Order. Neville will turn 17 at the end of July, but what about school? He will not have graduated, so you can scarcely say that he is 'out of school'.....unless they close Hogwarts.



Assuming that Snape was ever good...

As I said before, If they let the trio join...Anyways it doesn't really matter because the trio will fight and do important things regardless if they join the order...so can Neville. I would hate for the war to last beyond Harry's seventh year however who is to say that it won't? If that is the case then the trio and Neville could be inducted soon right? Oh well just thoughts

Agreeing with nevillesgirl, I would also like to add that the trio includes Neville, Luna, and Ginny with all of their adventures in OOTP, so who knows if they will bring them along again in DH. Just an additional thought!

Whether or not the Order lets the trio and friends join, they will soon be off hunting and fighting on their own. I don't know if Neville will be with them but he will be involved. The Order will have to work with them because they wont be against them.

Cris

I agree I think the trio will be fighting their own battle with the Horcruxes...And I also agree I try not to write trio unless I believe it only pertains to Harry Ron and Hermione. I just call them Heros.
Sorry if that was off topic now Id like to address this point
I don't think he would be a strong leader...don't get me wrong he is a great wizard but I don't see him asserting himself...like you said he couldn't keep his friend in line would he be able to organize and lead a group like the order...I just don't see it from him.He has let the years of prejudice affect him.

Okay so I agree that picking just one person is really, really hard. I thought I had it but now it seems that everyone is just to important to rule out. So, I will stick with my original and add a few comments on other posts.

As for Draco, I never said he would willingly help the order or Harry for that matter but I still think that his character, being neither all evil or all good, will have something important to contribute in the next book. He never really chose to be bad and a DE like his Dad did, he never really had a choice and that could be significant.

Lupin really wasn't meant to be a strong leader just a great advisor and helper for his friends and allies.

As for Arthur, I hope that Bill getting hurt doesn't change who he is but most likely it will have its affect and we will see that this book. He is just so peaceful and sweet that I would hate it if he becomes vengeful.

Hey I think Lupin could be really good leader I mean if he could control a class of 13 year old kids and they all had fun, learned something and no one got hurt? that takes some leadership

And as for Bill I hope it doesn't change him I mean it shouldn't because when Grey back attacked him he wasn't really a werewolf at the time and people aways turn when there attacked by werewolf's not people

And Draco still had a choice but I see him doing the right thing in the end and getting killed by Voldemort see I picture Draco having the chance to either let harry go or kill him and Voldie will be right there watching telling Draco to kill harry and Draco ends up letting harry go and the dark lord kills him. I just thought of that like just now.

well I deffinetly that they count because of all their adventures and helping each other out. But usually when refferred to as the trio that means just the 3.

Lupin probably wouldn't make a very good leader because he is a great wizard and could be a great leader as well except for the fact that he isn't assertive enough.

It is too hard with all of these hints/points about people to choose just one person to be the most important but, it will be the trio and neville ginny and the whole order who will probably do a lot.

When I had said this I meant that the trio includes Neville, Luna and Ginny in their adventure, such as in OOTP and again when they are fighting in HBP. sorry for the confusion, I was probably having on off day

Hmm, this is an interesting question.

Apart from Snape, who will hardly count as an Order member in DH regardless of his loyalties, I really don't know. Lupin has an obvious score to settle as many have pointed out, but I agree that somehow he was never meant for the spotlight. I can see Molly being important, but only in a background sort of way. Hmm, that doesn't sound logical, but I think her position is very interesting and moving. Not to mention that Jo is a mother too, so I bet she's interested in Molly's reaction to everything that will happen. We might not get to see lots of Molly, but I'm guessing there might be one or two poignant scenes like the boggart one in OotP. Molly is a very useful character in the sense that she can be used very effectively to impress on the reader the fear most of the Order must be feeling. It's not a fear of getting hurt, but rather of others getting hurt. Very powerful.

I'm also interested to see if Percy plays a big role. I could be that his big moment was GoF, but I'd love to see how he and Molly handle this last adventure.

The twins might play a big role too, because Jo has gone through a lot of trouble with their joke shop, and Harry's involvement in their plans seems to suggest to me that it'll become important. Not necessarily, but I won't complain about more Fred and George.

Of the non-Order members I'm interested to see what role Flitwick plays. He's not in the Order, but he's been a prominent figure throughout all of the books. Also, he's head of Ravenclaw, who we know will 'have their day'. Perhaps he'll be part of that?

Hmmm...Maybe if a horcrux is a ravenclaw item, which i presume will be one, Flitwick could help Harry, Hermione, Ron and anyone else with them (hopefully Neville will be there) find and/or destroy the horcrux. He could possibly rally together some former Ravenclaw members that are now of age to be in or help the Order.

Are we sure Flitwick is not a member of the Order? Has that point ever been clarified? Im just curious, Im not sure if he is in the Order or not.

Anyways I never thought of Flitwick as playing a big role, He is the charms proffessor and Im sure Harry will need help with any protection and or enchanment that the horcrux may have, but it comes back to how many people Harry will let help him...as far as we know DD only told Harry to trust Ron and Hermione. So far no one else knows what Harry is dealing with except the mysterious RAB...and we dont know if he is alive or dead. So Ill stick with RAB as the most important non-member, I have a feeling he is not dead ...but of course we shall see.

And Ill have to agree with what everyone else is saying I think its difficult to name a member who may be more important than the others..In my opinon If they appoint a new leader that will be the most important member If they dont then they are all equally important...every one has stengths and weaknesses, which will contribute to the war they are all fighting.

I had never thought of Flitwick becoming a larger role either, but it does make sense since the whole one horcrux from Ravenclaw theory. But if that theory is true, Harry would deffinitley have to go to him, because he would be the only other person who would know now that DD is gone. This thought had never crossed my mind at all!

But I would agree with those who have been saying Arthur would play a part, because that boggart change that Molly saw((like capricorn said)) . I wouldn't think that JKR would put that in there if she didnt plan on using it further into the books and then reflect back.

Well she may have just put it in there to show that being in the Order is dangerous and that Molly was scared for Arthur. IMHO Arthur will not play a large role, but bigger than in the other 6 books.

I never even gave Flitwick a single thought but I guess he could prove very useful to Harry and the others in finding out what the Ravenclaw item is. And maybe even destroying it. He would be well equiped to tell Harry who the oldest Ravenclaw familys still around are. I don't think Harry will tell Flitwick why he wants the information though, he would probably ask in a conversational way. He may also be helpful in finding out where to look for how to destroy the Horcruxes, although that would be harder to be sneaky when asking for the information.

Wow I never thought of Flitwick but I thought harry wasn't going to go back to hogwarts next year and Flitwick isn't in the order to my knowledge. Maybe professor Mcgonagal will help Harry on finding the Horcruxes. I mean Harry is probably going to go to the order for help unless his anger and stuff gets in the way and he thinks that he can find it all on his own. which probably won't happen ...... I hope

I agree that Professor Flitwick would be an invaluable source of Ravenclaw information. I wonder what else the professors know that Harry really needs to pick their brains about, rather than attend classes. Will the issue of the Horcruxes bring McGonnagall out of her rigidity and allow HP access to the Library etc. without being, strictly speaking, a student. Especially if HP is of the very few to return to Hogwarts for that year. The questions just keep coming.

I agree, Flitwick may be a source Harry will tap for information about Ravenclaw. I also agree that he won't let on about why he's needing the information. I think there's more to Flitwick than meets the eye. He was loyal to Dumbledore, and even though we don't have written proof he was in the Order, I believe he will play a more significant role in the 7th book.

I think the school will reopen, although I don't think there will be many returning students, but I do believe Harry will be among them. I believe this because there are still things he has to learn and the school will provide some protection and he will have access to many resources (the library, other teachers, etc.) McGonagall, as a member of the Order, will help him any way she can.

Okay,I agree with the fact that Flitwick can help him..but this would mean that harry has to give all the information about voldemort creating a horcrux,all the things that DD showed him..everything.Will harry will be willing to share these information?.If I was in his place,I would surely tell flitwick but will harry trust him?.

Harry will probably need help to learn about the ravenclaw horcrux (assuming there is one). He would not want to share his information with anyone but, hermione will persuade him to trust Flitwick because he is loyal to DD. IMHO

I absolutely agree. I believe there is a ravenclaw horcrux. DD seemed to believe Voldemort had located all the founders objects and used them. As for whether or not he will trust Flitwick remains to be seen. He does need to learn about the Ravenclaw object, and Hermione has been persuasive before. I think he can trust Flitwick, but I also think he will only reveal what he has to in order to gain the information he needs without revealing everything.

Yeah a Ravenclaw horcrux sounds reasonable because Harry must have to trust what Dumbledore was saying about it or else he would have to do a lot more research to find out if the horcruxes were something else. So if Harry decides to ask Flitwick about that stuff, then does this mean that he is going to ask McGonnagel about it too? Well, then we come again to the pickle about whether there is a Gryffindor horcrux or not. Assuming there is, Harry would have to go to both teachers, but I'm pretty sure that he would only consult with McGonnagel the whole story and kindof ask Flitwick casually as someone said earlier before.

The Horcruxes have been the biggest mystery in my little nugget. I have no idea what to think about these things. Do I believe there is a chance that Harry is one of the 6 items, don't know. Very likely possibility. Theres a chance that the Potter's graves can be part of this mystery. There have been some rumors flying that Godric Hollows play an even bigger part in this mystery. I don't know why I think that the final showdown may take place there or if it is the location of one of the Horcruxes, but will def have a huge impact in the finale!

So for the Horcruxes we have

- The Locket- Destroyed by R.A.B
- The Cup
- Marvolos Ring - Destroyed by Dumbledore
- Nagini (possibility?)
- The Diary- Destoryed by Harry
- ???????????????????
-The final piece in Voldie boys body.

I don't think the final one is Ravenclaws or Gryffindors. I think it's something that is @ Godric Hollows. CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS BOOK. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!

be careful, we don't know the locket was destroyed, just that RAB grabbed it from the cave. There are far too many people who beleive that it is the locket that couldn't be opened at the Black house and that Kreacher either has it or gave it the Bellatrix.

As far as we know the locket is still out there someplace. The good news is LV doesn't know where it is either. I think that is why Harry is wearing it on the USC book cover. He's kind of saying 'nana nana boo boo, look what I got! Go ahead and blast me, this is the last one!'

It's also security. Either LV knows it's the last one and wont want to blast Harry or he doesn't know it's the last one and will recklessly destroy it (like the diary was recklessly there for destruction) to get to Harry finally.

It will be interesting to find out.

Cris

Well, we don't know that the locket was destroyed or that it even was the locket but I assume it was.

IMHO, the horcruxes are:

Slytherin's locket -.A.B has/had it
Hufflepuff's cup
Marvolo's ring -destroyed by DD
Tom's diary-destroyed by Harry
Nagini
Godric Gryffindor's gavestone or skeleton

last piece of Tom's soul is in his body.

I have a feeling that there is something from Gryffindor not Ravenclaw, Gryffindor has played a larger part throughout the series. The suspense is also killing me, cstafford.

Okay, I don't think the locket was destroyed. Obviously, he used Huffelpuff's cup because it disappeared at the same time he did. I do believe Nagini is/was a horcrux (possibly the one used to bring him back???) We know Harry destroyed the diary, and the final piece resides in his body. Now the question is where is the last one. I agree with you it could be something at Godric's Hollow. I have thought for the longest, the one we couldn't name belonged to Ravenclaw. However, I have to rethink this (I'm not tied to one idea). Cobra I think has convinced me it's something of Gryffindor's not Ravenclaws. Gryffindor has played a much larger role, but "Ravenclaw will have it's day" still lingers in the back of my mind. Also, Godric's Hollow is supposedly the home of Godric Gryffindor, so I can definitely see Gryffindor in that role.

ok if harry is going back next year then why did he say at the end of the last book that he wasn't!!!!!!! I mean why didn't he just say something like "I'll come back to hogwarts to get some information but then I'm leaving to go get the Horcruxes" or something like that. I am not saying that professor flitwick couldn't help him cause I know he could it's just that harry isn't coming back!

The Order, Lupin and other people who care about him a lot may sort of force him to finish his seventh year. Also, he wil probably come back at least for information. He may have said he wasn't coming back without really thinking through that he might need a proffesser's help.

Yeah that's a good point Cobra, Harry didn't really think it through and it was part of his sadness for Dumbledore that he said it, and he was kind of depressed at that moment but I feel that when he goes back to the dursleys for the summer he will realize that he has to go back to Hogwarts even if he isn't going to stay at privet drive (for eg. go to the burrow) And the adults would pretty much make him too, I think he needs that last bit of training.

The locket hasn't been destroyed, is in the Black's house, the order headquarters, and Hermione when they was cleaning up with Mrs Weasley the cabinet, she couldn't open it and said that it seemed to be sealed with magic. Is in the OOTP book but I don't remember wich chapter is. About Harry's coming back to Hogwarts, I would like to say that it has happened the same every year. Second: Doby was hardly trying Harry not to attend his second year, next It was Black the murder who scaped from azkaban who almost made him go back home...so every single year it was some kind of reason better than the last one to close the school and to make harry stay at the Dursley and thought this las seventh wont be different.

Information and be safe, I agree with this but I don't think to talk to any one, even Profesor Flitwick about the horcruxes.

Darkmoon said several things I found interesting...

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The locket hasn't been destroyed, is in the Black's house, the order headquarters, and Hermione when they was cleaning up with Mrs Weasley the cabinet, she couldn't open it and said that it seemed to be sealed with magic. Is in the OOTP book but I don't remember wich chapter is.

We dont know for sure that two lockets are one in the same. Therfore we couldnot for sure rule out the possibilty that it was already destroyed. yes that particular locket that was found was probably protected by magic but if you re-read this part of the story when they clean the house just about everything is protected by magic, so its not fair to say that that locket is the horcrux.

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Second: Doby was hardly trying Harry not to attend his second year, next It was Black the murder who scaped from azkaban who almost made him go back home...so every single year it was some kind of reason better than the last one to close the school and to make harry stay at the Dursley and thought this las seventh wont be different.

I agree with this I believe Harry will go back to Hogwarts it does go with the flow of the series. I believe he will need to, he hasnt really thought about it but he is going to need that last bit of learning. I know there are others who said as much in thier post but I just wanted to mention it was a valid point.

*Love_me_Amortentia*

Well I also think that Harry is going to go back to Hogwarts but about the going with the flow, wouldn't JK want to break up the flow and put some kind of twist in the book? I posted earlier on this page that I was pretty sure that Harry was going to come back but now I'm having second thoughts about this.

Man don't have second thoughts harrys not coming back to Hogwarts If you switch you I will be the only one on this thread who believes that!!!!!