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Yeah MOOOP is back! I am so excited! Well, obviously we need a topic to discuss so I went back to the Shrieking Shack and seems like we have covered a lot! I hope this hasn't been discussed yet because I don't want to get myself or MOOOP in trouble, but I was thinking about other schools. Everyone in the Order seems to be associated with Hogwarts in some way or another, so I was wondering if any other schools will get involved? It seems that Hogwarts was pretty involved because of DD and everything, but what role do you think that teachers from other schools will play? Obviously it wont be a large one because JK said there were no new major characters, but I was just wondering. If anyone can come up with anything better then please feel free to post *bluezz*! I just really wanted to post and this is all I can think to say at the moment!

Hey there HP_Rules! Good to see you again!

Yeah, I wonder if the Order would recruit foreigners?

I mean, it cuts through all phases of the wizarding world, this international question, so to speak, seeing as Voldemort is mainly active in Britain, but maybe he has DE's stationed in other parts of the world? In that case it would make sense to get people from those counries to help, and if it means recruiting them from Durmstrang and Beauxbatons, I think the Order should consider it.

Fleur's there already... I wonder where Krum will end up?

That's a good topic! I'm not sure if it has been already discussed, but I'm new here, so...
Well, I think that other schools will participate in the war against Voldemort, even if it's not through the Order. JK has already said that Krum will come back and he might be quite helpful. He already knows Harry, Ron and Hermione ( ) and I'm sure that he'll be back to help them, maybe even with the Horcruxes! Fleur is already in The Burrow and, having family and friends in France I'm sure that she'll be helpful in some kind of way! Madame Maxime, being in love with Hagrid will surely answer if the Order needs help! And she liked DD as well!
So, my guess is that the Order will grow up in diversity!!!

Cares,

Cristiana***

Sweet M.O.O.O.P. is back, and now I can join

I think that the order will include foreginers because it would open the field for more member to fight Voldemort like we already have madam Maxime so it would deffinetly be a strong poinrt for the order since Voldemort basically has his old gang back togetherand the schools would also be able tohelp of course also and like Magic Khrixx said we do already have foreigners

It's quite possible that he has DE all over the world! And if that's correct everyone will HAVE to face them, in a way or another! Maybe the Order is spread to... *wondering*...

Cristiana**

And Mooop is here again! Welcome back to all you Mooops

Dumbledoreisalive, welcome to the cause! We're glad to have you with us

Ok, now for the discussion.. The Order goes international, huh? Very, very possible. We don't see much of the world outside Britain, but I think it's easy to guess that the global situation isn't too different. Voldemort desires power and I doubt he will be satisfied with just conquering Great Britain. And as we know, he did have Karkaroff as a Death Eater. So.. We can assume that it's not only Britain that is fighting Voldemort, but every other country in the world. Thus, it is very possible that good wizards around the globe will join together, and join with the Order to help defeat evil.

Incidentally, Krum.. Which side do you think he'll join?

Oh thank the Lord, M.O.O.O.P is back and running. I was getting so bored without it. My precious . Anyway, should I change the link in my signature to this new thread or should I keep it to the old thread of M.O.O.O.P

Anyway to topic. Yes in my opinion I think it would be brilliant for the Order to become world wide and more members open from all over the world. But it would have to be like NASA, you know, really top secret. Madam Maxime would definately join, Krum certainly, and you are right, Fleur and her family could become part of the Order. And her parents probably have friends who are willing to join. I'm not to sure about Krum's parents. There should be a way of finding out if all these members are trustworthy, veritaserum maybe? Do you think?

Hey James!

Oh yeah, I meant to say this: this is the link you should put in your siggies. It's the link to the first post of the thread, so newcomers who click on it can have a look at the rules first.

Anyway, on topic: Veritaserum is a dangerous substance, I think. It could be tampered with or countered, so that rules out it's usefulness in a way. That's a good next topic, James! How do the Order choose new members?

Anyway, for now, I'm wondering about Krum. He seemed a little stupid to me. He was obviously in a school which favoured dark arts, so will he have the guts to stand up against them all and fight for the good side? If he had to be a spy, would he have the guts to do that? It's pretty tough...

About Krum....:

I'm sure that he will go for the good side! After all he had admited that Karkaroff was quite an idiot and that he didn't do nothing! And, after all he's a friend with Hermione! But everything can happen!!!!

Cristiana**

Yeah I agree. Krum is a good guy. I think he is trustworthy enough to become a member of the Order. I mean I bet he could be a very powerful ally if he joined the Order with knowing all the secrets of his school and the magic they taught. I bet he could even teach other other members a few things or bring things from his country that would help them in their quest.

YAY!! I created a topic!! Even if it wasn't doing it intentionally. So can we do that one after this one? Also I will change the link in my sig right now.

I think that it is a good topic james pickles! I think we could change now, if there are no one else who would like to post about Krum or the foreigns in the Order! Should we wait?
I already have a few ideas for your topic!

Cristiana**

I think Krum should be int the order because he seems trudtworthy enough and believes hermione an d would probably alrtight and he know s Dark magic probably from his school and give more defensive tips

No I think we should wait Magic Khrixx, I mean we should give the other members of M.O.O.O.P who are not online right now to have their say in what they think in this topic. No I think we should wait for the moment. Anyway. I still think Krum should be in the Order.

Yeah, you're right james pickles (I love your name! Pickles? LOL ).

But continuing! Krum is definitely a plus for the Order. He knows a lot about Dark Magic, as told above, and he has a good heart...
But it's the sort of scene that JK would write, Krum being a spy for Voldemort. I truly believe that he will choose the good side, but, being educated in the Dark Magic, maybe he feels attracted by it... What do you think?

Cristiana**

Well just because you get brought up around something doesn't really mean you will do it. I mean yeah they studied the Dark Arts at Durmstrang but they would have studied other levels of magic and how to be defended against Dark magic if it was ever used against them. It is like drug addiction. Just because someone is brought around drugs doesn't mean they will have a problem with drug addiction just like if you are brought around Dark Arts doesn't mean you will be a dark wizard.

Grr, it is school tomorrow, the first day back of a new year and I can't sleep and it is half past 12 ...How do I change the colour of my links in my signatures too?

P.S. Yeah my real name is James Pickles. Get made fun of alot at school being called pickle jar and pickle head. Oh well.

I know that and I understand it, but if we think about it, it would be a hell of a surprise....
But even so, I still think that he's one of the good ones! He will teach them new charms and spells and how to avoid them!
Speaking in avoiding, do you think that Fred and George could be kidnapped by DE because of their intelligence? They're already show that they help the Ministry with those hats of theirs... And Ollivander has gone too...
Well, that's another topic too...

I still have one more week untill school begin... good luck for tomorrow james!

P.S.: I'm so sorry! I didn't knew... I'm not making fun of your name! I found it quite original, that's why I've commented! Sorry...


Cristiana**

Hmm.. I see a lot of you are sure Krum is a good guy. But really, we don't know much about him to assume anything; he is a very shady character. I agree with you on the fact that him going to Durmstrang doesn't mean he is evil. Case in point - Sirius - he grew up in a pureblood family that adored Voldemort and still turned out to be quite noble. However, there is no solid evidence that assigns him to the good side, so I think anything is possible.

james pickles, don't worry about school, it's going to be alright You should try and get some sleep, otherwise you will be too tired tomorrow.
And don't mind those jerks that tease you about your name. Personally, I like how it sounds =) And you can always change it when you get older

By the way, let's wait with the new topics a bit. We should give everybody a chance to discuss the current issue. We'll start a new topic, once everyone has spoken

Lol, no it is ok about my name. I know you weren't laughing at it lol. Don't be sorry. And thanks for the good luck. Our whole school has changed. We have houses instead of forms now and instead of it just being our year it is ALL the years in a house. And I don't even know which one I am in. So I'm going to be confused all day tomorrow pfft.

It is a possibility that they could take Fred and George. How did they only get three O.W.L's? They should have been the top of their year. I think Fred and George are too clever to get caught by the Death Eaters to be honest. I'm still gonna vouch for Krums.

P.S. Ok bluezz. I'll go to bed now. But I'm just not tired. Maybe it will come, cya all later.

Eeek! The moment I saw MOOOP was back up I kind of freaked out and did a little dance!! Except I couldn't post anything because I had to go eat a delictable meal of ham and potatoes, so I'm just catching up now. Yay for Mooop coming back Yikes getting a little bit on a rant... (got to stop myself) Sorry about that.

Krum:

I'm not to sure about him... He seems a little bit shifty to me. I think it was mentioned (but not 100% sure) that Hermione was still corresponding to Krum. If that's the case then maybe they had mentioned Voldemort. I don't entirely trust Krum. I mean he does have his moments of helpfulness but overall he is a very shady character! I do have faith that he can change though! Krum would be a great asset to the Order... Maybe he could even turn spy for us?? Hmm, might be to far of a reach, although what if he's a spy for Voldemort? I wonder if it was his choice to go to Durmstrang or "that's what his parents wanted" ?

In conclusion:

Krum could be a great team member for either side. Just not to sure where his alliegence lies...

I think that they only get three O.W.L.S. because they didn't care! They already knew what career to follow and after all they picked just right! Fred ang George will make a very good plus for the Order, if they join in (I'm not sure if they already are in...).
They will be the funny ones! LOL

I'm glad that you understand that I'm not making fun at all.. *reliesed*!

You'll see that it won't be that bad tomorrow! Hopefully, it will be fast and painless!


Answering to you, Hilly, I think that his parents will be an huge factor for his choice... If they are honorable wizards, I'm sure they'll be delighted about they're son going to figth Voldemort and maybe they'll help as well! But, Bulgaria seems to be a Dark wizards country (I don't know why) and maybe they're use their son for evil standing for VOldemort!
This is all speculation, but who knows?

Cristiana**

Yeah, people actually said stuff about my topic! Ok, about Krum, I think he will be on the good side. He was put under the Imperius Curse by the DEs so I don't think that he would be to content on joining up with them. He always seemed like a good person, but I am not sure how much help he could be. Yes he was taught a lot about DADA which coulkd make him usefu,l but I don't think he is all that smart. The Order needs all the help that they can get, but he might not be all that large of an asset. His parents could probably come in handy though.

About the Fred and George issue, I think that they could be captured. They are both extremely intelligent, even Hermione admits it, they just have to want to be. That's why they only got 3 OWLs, they didn't really care aobut that.

Ok, I think that I have spoken my peace. Thanks for waiting guys, and I am so excited for all the new topics! Good luck and school tomorrow James! Just as a side note, I think you have the BEST last name ever! I wish I had an exciting last name like that!

Lol, I have an hour before I go to school, I'm bricking it..I feel so nervous lol. I guess it is just seeing everyone and it is so confusing. :S

Anyway, no I don't think Krum is stupid, ok he may not have much common sense but I don't think he is stupid. He wouldn't have survived the Triwizard Tournement if he didn't have some level of intelligence. And you are right, the Death Eaters but a curse on him so it only makes sense for him not to go down that path.

AHHHH!! School.

And thanks for the comment about my name lol. I don't ever want to get it changed. My mum said if I wanted to then we could but I said no.

MOOOP IS BACK BABY!!! YEAH!!! i
I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited! I felt so sad when i found out that the topic was closed...
Anyway, we are open again so i should join the discussion.
About Krum... I can't trust him. Who knows what they are learning at their school. And also, who knows what they think of Dumbledore. I believe they were always jealous of him and of Hogwarts so, now that he is dead, they may feel happy and ready to take over things. I believe however, that they should all unite and fight Voldemort, who probably has under his commands the werewolves, the Dementores and all the other creatures. People tend to be stubborn and think only of themselves when uniting is the number one priority...

James, don't worry about your name. In Greece, almost everyone has funny names. My surname means lighthouse! Yeah, i know! It is funny but it will be very helpful for my career as people will remember it!

Hello all! Relatively new to the forum, brand-spankin'-new here. I thought I might add my 2 cents worth--
re: Krum---I believe that he may turn out to be one of the good guys, if not as an actual Order member, then assisting in some capacity. True, he is from Durmstrang, and taught the Dark Arts by a headmaster who was once a DE. However, if he were truly dark, wouldn't Moody/Crouch Jr. have recognized him as a kindred fellow, and not resorted to putting him under the Imperius Curse? It's been mentioned (sorry, cant remember who said it first ), that parentage and upbringing don't necessarily have a bearing on what someone does in their own life (ie. drug addiction). I believe that to be true. Even if his parents/headmaster/school had Dark Arts inclinations, Krum could very well have taken that influence as an example of how not to act, lol.

Also, Hermione's continued correspondence with him suggests to me that he's not a bad character. Hermione is very clever, and somewhat cautious as a rule, so I think she may have recognized him as being "shady" if he were truly bad. As for his intelligence, I don't believe that he's a great thinker--Hermione herself said that he was "more of a physical being" and "not particularly loquacious". But that doesn't mean he's stupid. I think he had to be somewhat clever to have made it to the Triwizard Tournament. He may be one of those "still waters run deep" sorta guys. We shall see....

As for Fred and George--those guys are brilliant. If I were Voldy, I would want access to brains such as theirs, so I think there's a distinct possibility that they may be captured.
I'll stop rambling for now

-Debbie-

Hi Debbie, I'm a Debbie too. Also I'm a Huge Gary Oldman fan...so that's 2 things we have in common

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Hermione said he wasn't loqacious in the film, she didn't say it in the book. But I do think she was right in the movie, he never hardly said anything in the books. Ah well. I'm still gonna vouch for him. But the fact of the matter is, we don't have enough evidence and we don't know that much about him to pass judgement on him yet. But I suppose we could still discuss it.

Sorry James. I meant to say that she had that "loquacious" line in the movie. And you're right--He didn't have a whole lot to say in the book, and even less in the movie. And we do have very little evidence with which to make a definitive conclusion regarding his alliances yet. But I'm with you--I'm still gonna vouch for him --for now.

I know that he must have had some level of intelligence to get into the Triwizard Tournament, but I don't think he got through very much on his own accord. Karkaroff helped him with the first two tasks and he was under the Imperious curse during the third one so I am not sure how smart he actually is. As I said before though, anyone is an asset and the Order needs all the help they can get. Good point about the Hermione thing too.

Yes, I don' t think that we can fully pass judgement on Krum yet... I think you guys have made me change my mind about him. I now think that he isn't on the bad side but he isn't entirely bright either. He obviously would of had to be smart to have his name come out of the Goblet of Fire, because if he is indeed one of the dumber Durmstrang students then why would he be chosen? I really don't think that they tried to trick the Goblet. (But who knows? Anything is possible) Krum is just a "complicated" sort of guy. Maybe he isn't sure what he wants. But I think our lovely Hermione will help change his mind!

You're right--the Order needs all the help it can get, and I don't think that intelligence (or lack thereof) is an issue. Look at Hagrid--he's certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's fiercely loyal to the Order, and would gladly give his life for the cause. No matter what Krum's level of intelligence is, there is a duty he may be able to fulfill for the Order--whether it be recruiting new members in his homeland, or pointing out wizards from Durmstrang that may lean toward darkness.

Oh yes I forgot- Welcome oldman_fan! Glad to have you on board!

I was about to edit and put that in my other post but somebody had to post before I could get there...

Anyway- Yes I'm sure that Krum could help the Order in the simplest of ways, but they have to make sure he's entirely good first. Because if he's not that could be a recipe for disaster! And I think that Krum may be good at finding dark wizards. Why? Because the dark wizards probably think that Krum is one of them because of his history, therefor they might tell him some interesting things!

Thanks so much for the warm welcome, Hilly. Yes, quick little rascal, ain't I, lol.
Good point about Krum's possibilities getting into dark wizards' confidences. Then he would be valuable as a double-agent.
But I agree, Hermione will play a part in Krum's decision as to which side he'll swear allegiance to. Just how much influence over him she has is unknown at this point, and if he's already dark, she may have little. But, as I said before, just the fact that she is continuing their friendship shows me that he's not all bad, and may yet prove to be a welcome asset to the Order.

I didn't realize you were new here, oldman_fan Welcome, then! Sorry for the delayed greetings.

I think Krum will have a much bigger role than just another member of the Order/Death Eaters. There already was a double agent in the books and that is Snape. I do not think JRK would create such a similar role for another character - it wouldn't be at all intriguing and much less interesting. I am at a loss to say what Krum can possibly do to become such an important character, but I'm sure it will be something unexpected.

WOw, it's wonderful MOOOP's come back!
I agree with you bluezz. JKR wouldn't create a character like onther one.
I think that Krum is a bit difficult character to understand. I mean, he studies Dark Arts and this is a thing that could be good in a cetain sense, if he has good intentions: in the Order he could give a hand against Voldemort in this field, even if they don't study DADA.
I think that there are good possibilities that Krum could help the Order: in GoF he speaks like a person who is against Voldemort (well, it seems ); and then the friendship with Hermione shows that he hasn't prejudices as to pureblood or thing of that genre.

Yah M.O.O.O.Ps back!
Well i think that you all have a good point.Krum is a hard character to understand like Arya said.He is quiet and calm.I think that he can be a bit shy also,it is so hard to tell with him though.Well i think that he could be a good guy.I know that he is smarter than he looks.Even if Karkarrof helped him in the Triwizard Tournament he had to have some what of a brain to come out of all three tasks alive.In the fourth book he had a friendship with Hermione and a bit of a friendship with Harry.I think that even though he is from Durmstrang and is close to Karkaroff,I think that he is a caring and good person.I think that his personality is more than meets the eye and maybe J.K will let us learn more about Krum in the 7th book.

I see many of you mentioning Krum studying the Dark Arts as something that makes him shady, so to speak, something that creates a possibility of him being on the dark side. However, I think that Krum simply had no choice in which school to attend. Bulgaria is a relatively small country, it's quite possbile that Durmstrang is the only magical school there. Every young witch or wizard, good or evil, has to attend it. Just a thought..

JK said that he will come back and if it wasn't in the sixth it has to be in the seventh! LOL. He might help the Order in several ways but I have this idea that he will be a spy for us...! He has all the qualifications to be a DE and he's famous.... What do you think?

Thanks bluezz, for the welcome! You're not belated, because today is the first day I've posted in this thread.

Good point! And simply studying the Dark Arts does not necessarily mean one uses them. Look at Lupin, Moody, (erm -Snape--we don't know conclusively about him)....they studied the Dark Arts extensively, so as to learn and teach against them.
Come to think about it, I agree that JKR probably wouldn't repeat the role of double-agent in the series. But still, Krum could conceivably be in the position to gain some inside info. Iif a fellow Durmstrang student with Dark Arts leanings or connections just assumed he was dark also.
ummm..sounded ok in my head a minute ago...

Again, that is too much like Snape's mission in the Order. I think Krum will have a somewhat different role. But I suppose it is possible.

Alright, guys, it looks like no one has anything new to add, so I'm going to change the topic. Here is one proposed by james pickles (thanks, james ):
How will the Order chose their new memebers? With the Death Eaters around and people being put under Imperius Curses left and right, how will they know who can be trustand and who cannot? Can veritaserum be used to sort out the untrustworthy candidates? What do you think?

Just a little thing before changing the topic! Snape had that role, but as he kills DD no one in the Order will want to know about him (only to kill him, of course). They'll need someone to replace him! That's my thoughts!

Well, I'm ready to change!

veritaserum is a strong truth tellent so if it is used it would be strong enough to see who is trustworthy and who isn't so I think that would deffinetly be no problem atall

YAY!!

Anyway, I think there should be a series of tests to prove yourself. Veritaserum being the first test; J.K.Rowling said that there are ways of blocking veritaserum. Also, the most obvious one, CHECK THEIR ARM!! (for the Dark Mark). Maybe something else like certain spells to prove that you are worthy and trustworthy.

Hi there, everyone!

I'm a new member of M.O.O.O.P.! Really, james pickles? I didn't knowed that it exists any way to block the veritaserum potion! Wow! Thanks for telling us!

Veritaserum has to be a great way to see it they're trustworthy or not, but I think that the choice of the members for the tests (if there are those) must be for territory recognition! What I mean is that other Order members maybe have to "follow" other promisores members to see if they are good enough and so..
Just a thought!

I totally agree with you, Magic Khrixx! There has to be a test, so we can know if the people hwo whant to join M.O.O.O.P. can be loyals to this club!

Maybe Veritaserum can be a great way!

Corina_Granger, as a new rule, in order to become a Mooop, one has to sufficiently contribute to the converstaion first. If you'd like to join, please post a decent-length response to the current topic and we will be more than happy to add you to the memeber list
EDIT: Posted a little too late =) Now that you take part in the discussion, you are an official Mooop. Welcome! Glad to have you with us But please elaborate more if you can and offer your own opinions, I would really appreciate it.

Yes it is said on J.K.Rowling's official site that there are ways or blocking veritaserum. Also that would be a good idea Magic Khrixx. But time consuming. Corina, we are on about a test to see if new people are worthy to become members for the Order. Not for M.O.O.O.P.

yeah mooop is back!!! anyway to the subject of going global, i think its a great idea but honestly i dont think it will be huge. Fleur and her family i could see, and i could also see krum but not his family, and we already have Madam maxine. but beyond that i dont see it happening. with DD, gone keeping track of Volde, playing watch dog to the ministry, and keeping tabs on the trio(yes regardless of harry's say and will he will have someone watching him) i cant see them doing much else. i personally think that unless they come looking for order they just dont have the time to do much more. People will come seeking the people that were closest to DD to find out what happened and if they can help, if their truly dedicated to wanting to help. so overall lets its krum, fleur and her family, or Maxine i dont see much more than that. unless charlie has signed up a few.

Welcome Corina_granger!

But what kind of test will those who want to enter to the Order to pass? I mean it has to be both physically and psychologically challenging!


Cristiana**