Well, looks like it's that time again...new thread!! Yippee!!

To those who are newcomers to the forums and to SPELL, let me just say a bit about our little club here.

As the thread title implies, this is the third outing for SPELL, and we've been here now for a very long time...started off originally as something of a role play, until we got kicked by the mods of the day () and hence the SPELL club was born properly.

There's only one thing you need to become a member of SPELL - you must love Remus Lupin to absolute bits, and it also helps if you're a David Thewlis fan too!! You don't need to post here asking to become a member. All we ask is that if you do want to join, then you MUST please read through the last few posts (including this one, hopefully) and contribute something to the conversation. It doesn't have to be long, just to bring something new and fresh, that's all

So what's SPELL all about?

1) SPELL stands for Society for the Prevention of [JKR] Ending Lupin's Life

2) Our Official tagline : Where werewolves are people too

3) Official Lupin Day : November 1st (though the celebrations are likely to last all week)

4) We have 4 affliates:
** S.O.S. (Squash Old Snape / Save Our Snape) - for or anti, whichever takes your fancy
** In Sirious Denial Support Group - for Lupin's best mate, Sirius!!
** C.U.B. (Crush Umbridge Brigade) - because she made dear Remus' life so difficult
** M.O.O.O.P. (Muggles Of the Order Of the Phoenix) - For the dedication to all of those valiant order members.

5) The 3 "silver" rules :
RULE #1
While Lupin/David is the main star of LupinLand/SPELL, members are welcome to discuss Snape, Sirius, James, Peter and Umbridge as they are part of our affliates and the Marauders are pretty much integral to many of the conversations here. Just be sure they never steal the limelight from our Beloved, of course!!

RULE #2
The mention of the "D" word, unless used in reference to Umbridge (or Snape, if you want to squash him not save him) is strictly prohibited. We only want good and happy things for Remus, after all!! We really don't want to dwell on the possibility of....*gulp*...you know...

RULE #3
Discussion regarding the Marauders is cool, but not at great length. There are some other great clubs here - like MOOOP if you'd like to really delve into the Order, their role in the next book, that sort of thing.

6) The team:

Ah....now here is where it gets slightly sticky. Ashleigh was the longest serving president here, but very sadly, she is now no longer able to maintain this thread as she would like to and so at the end of thread two, she retired It's also a bit unfortunate that the staff list hasn't been updated for a while, and we've lost a few people since the last thread too, so a few positions need filling...

It was Ash's wish that Marieke (Krieljte) be offered the "presidency", but I'm still waiting to hear about that for the moment, so until something firm is settled, I'll look after our little home here as much as possible as Honorary Member, but if the old hands of the thread could also do their part in keeping the conversations going here, it would be very much appreciated

Otherwise, the team stands thus....(as far as I know!! )

President : Ygraine (Helen)
Honorary Member : Yours truly
Design Manager : zyra123
Welcome Committee : HP_RULES! (Chelsea)
NoticeBoard Maintenance : Ygraine
Secretary / Fanfic Personnel : Position vacant - Apply here!!

7) Our noticeboard : yes you heard right, we have our very own noticeboard!! Drop by from time to time to check on any updates within SPELL and/or hang out at our lounge area (chatter-box)!!

***SPELL noticeboard***

You'll also find a list of recommended Fanfics with Remus as the main star!

8) We also have our own collective fanfic going here on the boards that all members, new and old, are very welcome to add to...have a read through, and take it in absolutely any direction you want to!! Here it is!!

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Ooh...and thanks to Zyra, we also have a nice badge for you to put in your siggies....

SPELL badge

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So...let the conversations begin!!

We've talked about many, many things in the past; from Lupin's role in the next book, to where he lives, which part of the country he's from, his relationship with Tonks, his personality, how he would react in certain situations, how he feels about Greyback, what he's doing with the other werewolves etc...anything and everything really, but seeing as how this is a brand new thread, and seeing as we've had many, many new members since the last thread, I don't think anyone would mind discussing a few things again.

So who'd like to get us started then?!

Oh man!! Nobody's said anything yet!!
I'm not an official member (yet...) but I HIGHLY support not getting rid of Lupin. After all, who else has Harry got to turn to? NOT many other people! He will probably help Harry with the Horcruxes and all. Also, he is a werewolf- he's got connections!

Yeah, it's back! I am so excited! I guess that we need a new topic, maybe that will get a few more people involved, it is always hard to start the topics so I guess that I will. Since you said that we could discuss things again, lets start out what people think Lupin's role in the next book will be. Feel free to change it, I just wanted to get the discussion running again and see what the new members think. I have to make my thoughts fast because I have homework, but I think that he'll marry Tonks and end up in a battle with Greyback, hopefully with him being victorious! Just wanted MyBroomstickIsBetterThanYours to get the opportunity to say something and become a member! When you do, WELCOME!

Well, as Greg can tell you all, I was rather upset at the lack of S.P.E.L.L. today. I am so happy to see that it has returned!

I am a proud member (ermm... ... at least I was in the old thread... I hope I still am!), and would be more than happy to help get the conversation going.

Now... Lupin's role in the next book... Excellent topic to start on, HP_RULES!. I really think he will take on a mentor role for Harry. I mean, first, Harry had Dumbledore... then Sirius... and it was like he was trying to get close to his father as much as possible. Sirius was a link to his parents that he had never had.

Now, with Sirius and Dumbledore both gone, I think that Harry will turn to Lupin to guide him. Lupin is very knowledgeable with the Dark Arts, and knew Sirius at school, so there is a chance that he may know something about Regulus (I believe Regulus is R.A.B.).

I really hope Lupin has a major role. He is a fantastic character, really.

'Breathe Helen, Breathe!!' *takes deep breath*

Oh, thank Merlin, it's back! I was getting withdrawel symptons! But Squee!!! A brand new shiney thread!! Cheers Louise It's sad that Ash has retired from SPELL, I just hope that she's ok

As for our Remus' role in the next book? Hmm, i think we can say that he isn't going to be the father figure for Harry that most of us hoped for prior to the release of HBP. However, I do hope that he does get a bigger part in this book than he done for the last two. I also hope that Harry worls with Lupin, and doesn't do the same as he did to McGonagal. And if Harry does, i hope that Lupin will respect his decision and offer his services. I would hate to see Harry having to hide from Lupin, as well as Lupin becoming a bit to nosy. But I really do think that Lupin will just help Harry best he can.

I don't think that he will go back for 'spying' on the werewolves community, I think Voldemort will put an end to that. Because like quite a long time agon now, i think that Greyback knew that Lupin was spying for DD, but not to accept a fellow werewolf, (especially one of his own) Greyback would think that that would make him as bad as the 'humans' that he hates. Does that make sense?

Any way, a big Hooray for SPELL! (we need a confetti throwing emotcion )

Btw, what would a secertery do? One in a organisation would take minutes... would it just be collecting notes, remembering where things are? That sort of thing... oh, i've confused myself now

Ah.......
*cozies back into Lupinland*

A role for Remus in the next book...I'd like to think that he would be a father figure to Harry, but I doubt it. Harry has already lost his real father, Sirius, and Dumbledore, and I think he's grown old enough now to know how to make some of his own decisions. Plus, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Harry was beginning to be afraid to attach himself with someone, because everyone he connect himself to sort of...well...you know. I can't say the "D" word in here.

Lupin and Harry also have their own agendas. Harry is off to find all those horcruxes, and Lupin's goal is to just stay alive. It's hard enough being around the smellier werewolves, but if things get crazy, who knows what could happen. I'd think Lupin would just keep it cool and work for he Ministry. I think all of us would enjoy watching him give Greyback a good kick in the pants, but I don't really think that's in Lupin's nature. I think there is a relationship in the future for our Lupin. Most likely Tonks. I think he's worked that out now, and if both of them make it to the end, they will probably stay together.

So, in conclusion, Lupin's role in the next book will to be totally awesome.

And I'm glad SPELL is back up and running! I hope Ash is all right and I hope Marieke will accept her position!

I agree that he probably wont be the father figure we all would hope. Lupin is of course great for advice, but he and Harry will have a lot to accomplish and I am not sure how much time they will have to sit around and chat. As for the werewolves, I think that he will continue. DDs, well, you all know what happened, shouldn't have an effect on his mission. He might have to abandon it because he isn't gaining any support, but he'll probably continue to try. Just to add another question into the midst, what do you guys think that he will be doing if he doesn't continue to try and convince the werewolves? If he doesn't, after his wedding, he will probably need a new mission since everyone in the Order seems to have one, just wondering what you guys think.

I can't think of what Lupin would be doing if he wasn't trying to get on level ground with the werewolves... possibly doing other work for the Order but I can't think of what that work would be. In the seventh book, I think he's going to help Harry from a distance. Like listen to what Harry has to say, his suppositions and whatnot and give him advice.

Oh, wow, SPELL, I missed you. VTM isn't the same without people to fight for Remus Lupin's survival.

*slips back into LupinLand*

I think that he will continue his mission among the werewolves. He still has to pretend that he turned his back on wizarding society and is throwing his lot in with supporters of Voldemort, in the hope that Voldemort would give the werewolves a better chance of a life free of persecution.
He will have to act like an embittered man who wants to take revenge on wizards, all the time secretly looking for doubters among the werewolves who might be swayed against Voldemort when the final battle comes. His work to convince them is not easy and he has to be very careful lest he be killed as an enemy of the werewolves' big protector Voldemort. It's a thin line he has to thread.

Perhaps in the end he will be the one who will bring the battered, desillusioned survivors back to the wizarding fold. He can speak up for them -- they are his brothers, less lucky than he for being without a friend like Dumbledore. Perhaps he can make them trust wizards again, if there are wizards that would trust them.

My fanfic touches upon this theme too.




In the unlikely event that he will turn away from the mission to which he is so uniquely suited, I can't think of a single thing that he might find more important to do.

As mentioned before, I can't think of anything that's Lupin would do for the Order other than continue to try and convince the werewolves... I also agree with Bumblebee on the Dumbledore comment- he might be able to convince other werewolves but explaining how the wizards are better equiped. But with Dumbledore gone, I suppose that may be a bit harder. What other things could Lupin do or say to convince the werewolves though??

Yay! My beloved SPELL is back!! Thanks bunches Michelle Dessler!
*sings happy song and dances in Lupinland*

what is Lupin going to do in Book 7?
Hmmm...I'm not sure what JKR is going to have him do. He is a vital member to teh Order, sonce he has connections with Greyback and what not. I really hope taht he gets over his problem and age and all that stuff, and gets together with Tonks. How great would that be! I also think that he may help Harry and the others perhaps travel with them if Hogwarts isn't going to carry on. Or maybe he'll be the new headmaster at Hogwarts.

i absolutley love Lupin! not in the same way as tonks but i honestly admire him and everything. and maybe my opinion's different . . . ye i agree he won't really be a father figure to harry but i could see as a father figure . . . a lonley person living in regret of what his past holds . . . you never know he could have had a kid and hurt them . . . vivid imagination right?

In the 7th book apprently lupin plays quite a big part . . . but what could it be?

Yeah Spell has a new home! Yippee!
Welcome to our newest members! I'll add your names to our noticboard right after I post this.

Lupin and book seven. I've been also wondering about that for a while now.
I would love to see Lupin as head of the OotP, but he probably wouldn't accept that position due to his undercover work.
Headmaster at Hogwarts Padfoot08! I don't think McGonagall would be to happy with resigning from her newly headmaster duty.

I know JK said something about Lupin having a bigger role in the "upcoming" books (referring to 6 and 7) but I'm stil not convinced that he'll will play a major part. If he does, he might help Harry with the horcruxes.

Ooh Lupinites, don't forget there are still some vacant positions you can apply for.

Okay, guys...we have a little problem. I'm afraid that Marieke is a little busy to keep this thread running herself at the moment, what with real life stuff going on and mod'ing duties, so it looks as though we're going to need some volunteers/recommendations for the 'President's' role.

We're going to need someone with the time to devote to this thread, the ability to keep the noticeboard updated, and to check in once in a while to revitalise the conversations if they seem to be drying up a little.

If y'all could send me an Owl either with some recommendations for who you think deserves the role, or you can volunteer yourselves if you want. I should say though, we really would prefer to consider people who've been here for a while, have a good posting record, and have been consistently active in this thread.

I should also say - please, be patient with me. My schedule is bursting at the moment, and while I will do my very best to get back to you ASAP, it might be a few days before I'm able to reply

Oh man!! I hope this thread keeps holding... it's awesome to be part of.

I think that Lupin will have a big enough role in book seven. Probably not a major major role, but a good one.

Maybe... he'll have to do something like Hagrid did and go far away on a mission or something?

Woo, go S.P.E.L.L! Thanks Louise for the new thread!

Wow..it's amazing how much free time everyone had during the summer, and now...oh well, I hope that we find a new president!
For Remus' role in book 7, I think that for most of the book, he will hardly be mentioned, as he will be working with the other werewolves. But, for the last four chapters or so, something big will be revealed about him (can't imagine what it could be), but just what my guts say, and he'll have a huge role in helping Harry with..stuff. Haha, yep, a very 'great' explanation there.

..Well, maybe something a little less bigger.

Hmm, MBIBTY, never thought about that. I just thought that wherever the other werewolves would be, they'd be somewhere in England, but then again, there are werewolves all over. Maybe they have different headquarters or something, and he gets to go to travel to meet them, if for some reason he becomes Greyback's 'right hand man', and he gets to follow him around.

Hermione_Resilda, I hadn't actually thought about that, I just thought he'd be sent off on his own... But it's true, maybe he'll pretend to be on Greyback's side and follow him to some far-off distant country. That could be useful, but also ridiculously dangerous... maybe while they're travelling together he could use some "magical ninja skills" and get Greyback to come to the good side. But on the other hand, Greyback could turn on him at any moment.

hey, guys! i was wondering if i could be a member because i hate the idea of lupin... gosh it is too sad even to mention it! well anyways,on to the topic



i don't think that Greyback could ever turn good. he is just to into the whole bitting thing. but i wonder if maybe lupin would kill him or something. i mean really he bit lupin and bill, i think that lupin would be on crazy-angery mood with Greyback right now and maybe he'll just snap and avada is behind (it would sure make me happy anyway )

A big welcome to our newest members, K.Lupin_werewolf, MyBroomstickIsBetterThanYours and hp_book_reader

Marieke! Aww I'm so sad that you can't be our Pres, I's also so sad that Ash can't be either... *tears* Any, way, I wish you the best of luck with all your studying

As for Greyback turning good, i agree with hp_book_reader, he's too 'I want to kill people'-y to be good. He's a werewolf and proud to be, but in a bad way, he thinks it gives him the right to kill to eat and to turn kids into werewolves. I don't think it's likely that he and Remus will be working together. However, the idea that Remus may have to travel is one i quite like! Although i guess that may mean we won't get to see him as much Maybe he'll travel to eastern europe, where the legends say Vampires and werewolves live...

Or maybe he'll come and knock on my door!

All this talk on greyback has made me wonder.

Do you think that Greyback remembers who Remus is? You would think that he would. But the way that the book was making out was that Greyback killed/made so many, he may have forgotten some of the victims. If Greyback does remember, do you think that's why he allowed Remus into his 'fold?' And do you think that their 'connection' will have a more important role in the upcoming book?

Hello dear SPELLers! Just wanted to drop by and say hello.
Do you think that Greyback remembers who Remus is? You would think that he would. But the way that the book was making out was that Greyback killed/made so many, he may have forgotten some of the victims. If Greyback does remember, do you think that's why he allowed Remus into his 'fold?' And do you think that their 'connection' will have a more important role in the upcoming book?

I think that Greyback doesn't remember Remus. He has probably made so many people into werewolfs, that he doesn't remember who he made and who he didn't make. *shrug*
I would assume that Greyback took him in just because he was a werewolf and acted loyal to the cause.

Oh, I absolutely think that Greyback remembers who Remus is! So, if that is true, then why would he allow Remus to even be in his presence, let alone let him in on any of the inner workings of his den?

Well, I think that Greyback has much the same views as Lord Voldemort. Voldemort tricks, coerces, and tortures people into joining. Thinking along those lines, there is no reason to believe that Fenrir would think any differently.

I believe his mindset is probably along the lines of "Well, he's a werewolf now, nomatter who did it to him, and so he will be loyal to me out of fear and a need for understanding acceptance."

See? Fenrir understands what it is like to be a werewolf. The way he thinks of most members of wizarding society, he probably believes that no normal witch or wizard could accept Remus fully for who he is because of his "furry little problem." Fenrir knows, and can empathize, but he is still very powerful and holds a lot of water with the rest of the werewolves.

So, whether out of a supposed need for acceptance on Lupin's part, or just plain fear, Fenrir believes that Lupin will be loyal to his cause.

Man... I really hope Lupin is ok with them .

Amazing question! I don't think that he does remember Remus. If I remember correctly then Lupin was only bit because Greyback was mad at Remus' father, so he probably only thought of him as his father's son and never gave it a second thought. Oh, and when he saw Remus last he was a small child so even if he did remember his attack he might not recognize him. He has attacked so many people so I doubt he can keep them all straight. I think that because he didn't know who he was he let him into their group, if he did remember then letting him in wouldn't be advisable because obviously somewhere deep in his soul Lupin wants revenge for what he did to him. He knows who he is now, but I don't think he necessarily remembers that he was the one who bit him.

Hmm... good points, HP_RULES!, but one would think that with a magic as strong as it takes to transform ones life, mind and form completely, that the imposer would recognize their own magic in the person that they effected.

Now, in PoA, we are told that werewolves always have to answer the call of their own kind. If this is true, then maybe the werewolves can recognize which member of their species is calling them?

Hmmm... I guess I really don't have much of a basis for my theory... other than my thoughts that a trace of magic as strong as that which is needed to transform a wizard into a werewolf can be recognized by its imposer. If that is so, then maybe Fenrir can recognize Lupin based on that? Hmm...

I hate to leave this with no cannon evidence, but, sadly, I do not have PoA at work with me right now. I'll try to update this later when I have the book in front of me .

Well... I don't think that Fenrir remembers Lupin, but maybe he is still trying to figure out who he is because he has some vague memory or something. That might be why he let him into the werewolf group, among other reasons.
Also, I don't think that they know who is making the werewolf call... If that were the case, then would Lupin have run towards Hermione when she faked one in the Prisoner of Azkaban?
I have a small question though, it's kind of off topic, but just want to put it out there- when muggles are bit by werewolves, so they turn into one too? Because they wouldn't really have a reason to be against wizards...

Touche, Broomstick!





Oooh! Oooh! *Waves hand frantically in an uncanny impression of Hermione*
I know this one! Now, a direct quote from J.K. Rowling's Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them:
"Once a month, at the full moon, the otherwise sane and normal wizard or Muggle afflicted transforms into a murderous beast." -pg. 42


Hope that helps! (and thanks for the reminder about Hermione's call in PoA!)

Yeah Emily, I also think that Fenrir sensed something in Remus when they met. He might not have recognised the name/face in the papers, or in passing, but when they met i think Greyback knew that Remus was one of 'his.'

HP_RULES I know what you mean that Greyback probably saw Remus at first as his fathers son, but now? I do believe that this connection between them will have some form of importance in the next book. Whether Greyback will plead with Remus saying that he is Remus' 'father' or whether Remus will take his revenge by saying, 'You bit me and you ruined my life!' I'm not too sure. Although i'm rather found of the former...

Oh and bout the werewolves call. Isn't that just in the movie of PoA? I'm not too sure as i dn't have fanstastic beasts nor PoA to hand... but i'm sure it was just in the movie...

About muggles being affected by the werewolves bite, it seems that Emily has answered it already, i just wanted to post the link (again) to one of the best Remus Fanfictions ever written. I'm not the only one to have posted this in SPELL either It's by DMP, and Remus bites a yound Muggle girl and has to deal with the consequences... so good!! It's pre Ootp and based during GoF.

Sin or Lycoas written by D.M.P

If you haven't already read it, you must! In fact i might read it for a fourth time

You know, I'd be surprised if Greyback remembered every one he's ever bitten. . .unless he's only actually bitten a few who lived through it enough to transform . . . I'm assuming that a lot of his victims die. As it is, I'm just not sure. The possibilities with the Alpha males are kind of crazy. . .Fenrir being the alpha male. . . here's a bit about the hierarchy of a wolf pack:

The core of a pack is a mated pair of wolves - an adult male and female that have bred and produced young.

The other members of the pack are their offspring: young wolves ranging in age from pups to two and three-year-olds.

Pack sizes vary, most packs have 6 or 7 members, although some may include as many as 15 wolves. The size depends on many variables including the current numbers of the wolf population, the abundance of food, and social factors within the wolf pack.

Within each pack is an elaborate hierarchy. It may consist of a single breeding pair, the Alpha male and female, a lower group consisting of non-breeding adults, each with its own ranking, a group of outcasts, and a group of immature wolves on their way up. Some of the younger wolves of the pack may leave to find vacant territory and a mate.

If this is the case, perhaps Fenrir only allows into his "pack" those he has personally transformed. . .hmmmm. . .

I'm thinking, however. . .as I doubt JKR is relying heavily on the actual behavior of wolf packs to make up her werewolves. . ..I think that it is unlikely that he would remember Lupin unless he had a large role to play in Lupin's life early on. . .

How's that for talking around in a big old circle?

Like a lot of people i highy doubt that Grayback remembers who Remus is. and i'm sorry but i don't have the harry potter books in fron tof me, so may i ask why Greyback was mad at Remus's father?

Also how did Greyback 'know" to bit Remus? because if i am mistaken during the time that werewolves are actually werewolves they can't really controll their actions, so i don't think it was possible for greyback to think 'gosh i don't like mr. lupin, i'm going to o and bit his child now' so how did he make sure that he bit remus? maybe he went over there before he transformed, so that he was in the lupin's house, but wouldn't that mean that remus's father would have been bit too?

It doesn't say exactly why he was mad at Lupin's father (I don't think, it's kind of late), just that the reason why he bit Remus was because his father offended Greyback. Greyback knew because in the book it said that before the full moon he positioned himself by the house so that although he didn't have control would still be able to get his target.

Hmmmm, I still stand by what I said in my previous post, though good points were made. I have a question though, does Greyback know that Remus is trying to recruit werewolves to join the Order, or does he not know that he exists. I understand that Lupin is undercover, but Greyback knows who he so, even if he doesn't know he bit him, does he know he is a member of the Order? When Hagrid and Madame Maxime went to find the giants, they couldn't be seen by the Death Eaters because they would recognize them as members of the Order and cause trouble. If he does know that he is working for the opposing side then why would he allow him to continue to mingle with the others, I am sure he has enough support to overpower Lupin. I guess I am a bit confused!

HP_RULES! I don't think that he knows he's part of the Order... In my opinion, if he knew, he wouldn't have let him into the werewolf clan because he might have had suspitions about him.

(Thanks for clearing that up LilyPotter )

Excellent point, LilyPotter. I don't believe that Greyback carries some personal animosity towards Remus Lupin, and might remember his father sooner than Remus the little toddler he has bitten, but it is quite possible that he'd be able to recognise his own bite. If so, he'll smell it in his wolf phase, and remember it in his human phase. But as others have said, he has bitten so many people that he wouldn't be able to associate the present day Remus with events in his past.

I think he is the leader, the "super-Alpha", of the extended pack that comprises all werewolves he has ever bitten, the ones that those have bitten, and the ones he has swayed to become loyal to Voldemort. He acts as Voldemort's representative among the werewolves and commands them during their human phase, deploying them where they can do most harm after their transition into wold phase. It is fortunate for the wizard community that Greyback himself loses his ability to command other werewolves at the full moon -- at that time all werewolves answer to nothing except the call of their female kind, and that only for mating. Greyback is most dangerous in his human phase, because as a human he is an evil wizard; as a wolf he is only pursuing his lupine nature which in itself is not evil. It's only human prejudice, discrimination and persecution that have incited the hatred that has made werewolves murderous towards humans in particular. Without Greyback's influence, werewolves would target anything and anyone in their bloodlust frenzy, not humans in particular. In fact, I suspect that they wouldn't think it particularly rewarding to kill humans, much less to just bite them (except maybe girls who then become available for mating).

As leader of the pack, Greyback could make them follow him in a coordinated group attack, or bully them into positioning themselves during their human phase for individual attacks in their wolf phase. It would be difficult for him to direct a dispersed pack -- normal wolf packs stay together in a hunt.

So, I think that Greyback has difficulty enough to keep his pack together. He'd be using fear and Voldemort's false promises. Some of the werewolves may not like Voldemort or Greyback, but they would be too distrustful to believe Remus Lupin. Their way of life conditioned them to fend only for themselves.

I don't think he knows much about Remus beyond a vague concept of his history and that Remus has tried to live as a normal wizard. He'd despise Remus for that. He'd call it a betrayal of the wolf nature of a werewolf. He'd be suspicious of Remus's change of allegiance and keep a watch on him. I am certain doesn't know about the Order, and doesn't suspect Remus of being the Order's spy.

i highly doubt that Greyback know what lupin is doing, because then wouldn't you think that he would try and stop him, because Greyback don't actually like the order

HP_RULES!- thankz for clearing that up with me, i havn't read the books in a while

Hmm... I think that if Lupin isn't going to be travelling or working with werewolves, he might be put back as a teacher at Hogwarts. Probably not for DADA, but maybe another post? I think that'd only be if Harry was going back, as a form of protection... any ideas?

MBiBtY JK has said that Lupin won't be teaching again at Hogwarts, at least DADA, and i doubt that he'll be returning to Hogwarts to teach another subject if Hogwarts reopens, because if anything else, there isn't another job opening, except DADA and maybe Potions, and he said in PoA that he was useless at that.

Oh, there'll be the Transfiguration job opening wouldn't there, as McGonagal will most likely be the Head Mistress.

About Hp_book_readers question, HP_RULES, yeah Greyback does posistion himself, but i always wondered myself, wouldn't that still be a bit hit and miss? What if Remus didn't come out of the house or... Hmm... I always thought that they still ad thoughts in their minds, and if it's murderous angry wolf liking thought the wolf would remember it and carry it out. Like. 'I have t bite Lupins' kid' It's just a thought... oh i dunno

Janet, cheers for all tht infomation about wolves! Althought now i'm scared I've always thought about werewolves having packs, and always thought Remus being a 'loner' because he isn't part of a pack.

But then again, i suppose he is isn't he?

Helen, I've come to the conclusion that Greyback must have abducted Remus while he was still in human form, just before his transformation to werewolf form, and bound his victims so that they could not escape and be the first thing the werewolf would see.

This is what makes a werewolf like Greyback so evil -- what he does goes beyond satisfying the carnal lust to which the werewolf abandons himself in wolf form, the wolf's actions are meticulously planned to be most damaging and aimed at specific people.

Michelle, i am not a member<YET> but i would like to nomonate, you for the President of Lupinland/S.P.E.L.L!! you are by far, the most dedicated member of VTM, in general, and well, the best supporter we have for S.P.E.L.L!! i hope other members for this society concider my nomination!! She will be a good candidate i think. also, i would like to fill the slot that is vacant, not the secratary but the other one, it seems like fun, and i think i could add a whole new persona to this thing!! so, there is also affiliates to this club, eh, i am in MOOOP, so i wish to join all the others too, and by the way, i am a snape supporter, he is good in the last book, at least i hope!!!! So, i wanna be in S.O.S, save our Snape!! and of course, umbridge has greatly displeased me, she has put Snape on probation in OOTP< Damn her, i hate this woman, she deserves death!!> hahaha, sorry bout the swear word, i just really have the deepest loathing for umbridge!!

i have one question. How does Remus communicate with other werewolves? do they have their own language? Body Language, Their growls, barks, and howls? or, maybe they can talk in a kind of rasp, or something. i dont believe this last possibility. if a were wolf is transformed, then well, maybe they cannot talk, they will have to communicate in some other manner. any thoughts?!?!?!?

MOD EDIT: I merged your two posts together. Please refrain from double posting on the boards. Thanks.

as with lupin returning to hoqwarts i highly doubt that, because of to main things; 1. obviously the order needs him to recruit werewolfs and keep an eye on them 2. because now that people know that he's a werewolf i don't think that parents want their children being taught by a werewolf (no matter how awesomly cool he really is )

Werewolves do have their own language, they respond to the call of their own. Think about how animals and such communicate with eachother, even how Sirius and Crookshnaks did. The language humans speak isn't the only language, especially in the Harry Potter world.



Woh, ok, I don't think that he went that far. When Lupin was first talking about Grayback he said that at first he felt bad because he thought that his attacker had no control over his actions. I think he would have been a little less forgiving before he found out about Greyback if he had tied him up. Hmmmm, then how he did it remains the question. Maybe he took a little bit of wolfsbane potion so that he had a certain amount of control over what he was doing. Or maybe he just positioned himself outside and found someway to get Lupin to come outside. Who knows for sure, maybe we'll find out in the final book!

I also think that greyback is an extremely rare case as far as werewolves are concerned. I think that he has fully embraced, and extremely enjoys, his werewolf tendancies. Lupin looks at it as more of a nuisance to be dealt with. . .Greyback looks at it as a lifestyle to be lived. Greyback goes so far as to attack people while still in his human form (Bill Weasley for one, but I think they mentioned others), and that he has a penchant for biting children. . .Sickening. So, I wonder if he has a little more control over his actions while in wolf form because he has embraced it so completely . . .I don't know . . .it would be interesting. . .

Hmmm, interesting point but we would have to consider when he began to attack when there wasn't a full moon out. I was under the impression that he didn't start to attack like that until Voldemort came to power (at the beginning of the 5th book) because of what DD said to him in HBP, which I can post later if someone wants me to. Greyback attacked Lupin a long time ago so he probably didn't have the control that he has now. How old is Greyback? He must have been really young when he attacked Lupin, which only makes the whole idea more disturbing!

Oooh, another thing I was thinking about: Lupin said that when he took the Wolfsbane potion, he would curl up in his office tame as can be, didn't he? (Even though that kind of contradicts the events that took place in the shrieking shack). . .What if Greyback had some of the wolfsbane potion as well, only when he took it; he was in more control of his mind and could use that state of being to bite whomever he chose?

Janet, didn't Remus mention that it was a Unique case with Bill? I'm not too sure, and I can't find HBP for the life of me..

Annie, that's certainly an intresting conclusion, however, yes, Lupin says he didn't know who his attacker was. Althought he might have repressed it during his childhood and early teenage years. People do tend to 'block out' traumatic experiences because the brain can't handle them, especially with young kids. So this might have been what happened with Remus.

Yeah, I was thinking about the wolvesbane potion as well. Lupin, having control of his mind chooses not to attack people, Greyback would choose to attak people. But hang on, isn't the wolvesbane a modern potion. Other wise Dumbledore would have given it to Remus during his school years...

Janet, the reason why Remus wasn't in control in the shack in PoA was because he had forgotten to take his potion, well the last 'installment' of it anyway.

HP_RULES! I think Greyback's meant to be quite old actually middle aged.. i think he was probably in his twenties when he attacked Remus, we also don't know how old Remus was when he was bit. Just a 'small boy' your interprtation of 'small boy' can varey. I always thought him to have been about four or five, but i've spoken to some who think he might have been about seven or eight...

Another thing i've often thought about. What age do you think Remus was when he found out it was Greyback who attacked him? And what do all reckon his reaction would have been? I think he was probably still quite young... because he must have at least figured it out. Wouldn't Greyback been in the papers during the first war, articles about him attacking children? It would make Remus ask himself and he would ask his dad who would know it was Greyback as his fathr offended the werewolf.

Not exactly what I meant. . .I know he hadn't taken his potion. The thing that got me was the fact that he said he curled up in his office when he'd taken his wolfsbane potion, yet in the shack, he didn't actually transform even though he had taken it until he got outside underneath the full-moon. Just seems that if he were in his office, he might not have transformed either since he wasn't outside underneath the full moon; wolfsbane potion or not. . .

Also, it was interesting to read on the HP lexicon that greyback had said to bite them young, raise them away from their parents so they would learn to hate their parents so that he could get the werewolves to overtake the wizards. Does anyone know where that quote is from? I wonder when he came up with that plan . . .Remus wasn't raised by werewolves, but I assume that this was a plan even before Greyback teamed up with voldemort because Voldemort was promising him victims to increase his werewolf army.

It probably wasn't that long after he was bit that he found out. I would assume that his father had suspicions, but he might not have told his son. That would be a horrible conversation to have! I am sure that he was in the papers with all of his attacks and everything but I guess his dad must have told him since I can't think of another way he would find out. Poor Remus! He probably felt horrible finding out that he was attacked on purpose. That is probably what made him such a strong person, having to deal with the whole werewolf dilema so early in life.

passerby: I am pretty sure that it told about his plan in HBP. I know that quote is in one of the books, but he did start it after Remus when he teamed up with Voldemort. He was building him an army of werewolves.

Ooh, I've forgotten about that. However, it seemed the most logical to me that he would abduct his young victims (the younger the better) and raise them away from home to hate people. I based a chapter in my fic on that assumption, also giving an account of how Remus could have been bitten and still have been raised by his parents.

That, too...

Any age between one and ten, although I'm fairly certain that he was at most five years old. He must have been very young. The Whomping Willow must have taken time to grow. Dumbledore had not been Headmaster very long (just become Headmaster, according to Remus). Dumbledore became Headmaster in 1959, Remus was born in 1959 or 1960.

I'm very pleased to be able to announce that we finally have our new president!!

*trumpets and drum roll*

Ygraine!!!

As honorary member and on behalf of Ash, our outgoing President, I'd like to wish you all the best in being in charge of one of the longest running, most successful and most loved clubs on VTM!!

*cheers wildly*

I'm sure you'll do an outstanding job, and do Ash and me proud

I'd also like to announce that we've managed to fill the vacancy of Welcome Committee, which goes to HP_RULES (Chelsea) I'm sure you'll do an excellent job too, and the best of luck to you!!

We should have the fanfic co-ordinator vacancy filled very soon too

So yay, full compliment of staffers for SPELL at last, and just in time for Lupin Day!!!

(Brilliant conversation going in here at the moment, I have to say...well done )

YAY FOR SPELL HAVING ALL STAFF POSITIONS FILLED
That's exciting!
Well, as for Lupin... I think that yes, he was bitten quite young (like Bumblebee said, around the age of five) but I think he only found out who had bitten him a few years later... probably before he turned 11... I'm assuming he knew before he went to Hogwarts.

Congratulations, Helen!! I know you'll be a superb leader for SPELL! You've obviously go the love of Lupin! (And thewlis!!) and you're posts are also filled with just the right amount of information and fun!

I was under the impression that Lupin was bitten when he was 2. Where the heck I got that number, I don't know. I'm going to have to go searching. . .I would guess that he wouldn't have found out until he was heading into his preteen years when kids generally start to question why they are the way they are. . .peer groups causing them to really figure out who they are.

Hey everyone!! i'm back from a long hiatus, I have been reading everything but no time for posting, or writing my fic, or anything of that nature No time for Lupin!! But I'm back and ready to contribute to the conversation!!

First off, YAY Helen for being our new president!! I know you'll make a great pres! And Congrats to HP_RULES!! as well!

As for out Lupin discussion, I always thought Remus was about 5 or 6 when he was bitten. I think we all have our own ages that we just think it is for no particular reason at all. As for when he found out it was Greyback who bit him, I honestly always though it was much later, like late teens. Just when the war was starting and all. He says in HBP that he did't know "for a long time the idenity of the werewolf" who bit him. I don't know, for me a long time means a loooong time, so I always thought he didn't know until late teens. Also, since the war was going on Greyback would have been more active and it would have been easier for Remus to find out information on him and make the connections. Obviously he would have been interested in what Greyback was doing because he was a werewolf, and being Remus knew what he was doing was wrong and would try to help the Order in finding out information about Greyback. Just my thoughts on the subject!

Thank you for the intro Louise! And all your kind words I'm really excited about it

Oh and a big congrats to HP_RULES! *yay!!*

So, yeah, just incase you didn't know already My name's Helen! I'm a 21 year old Lupin mad Cynophobe! Oh sweet, sweet irony!

Yeah, I thought his later teen years as well to finding out that it was Greyback who bit him, about sixteen or seventeen, while he was still at Hogwarts anyway. Even though, it says lobg time, it would have been about ten years, which is quite a long time to not know who did something to you. Oh i feel so sorry for our poor Remus now....

Janet, if you find out where you got the number 2 from please tell me! I'm curious on your behalf now!