Hi guys, My 1st post ^.^ well anyways i was on Muggle.net and was reading the "Kreacher is the key ect..." and then the locket poped into my head well here it goes :

The Locket that harry has may not be fake? Sounds stupid but maybe incase anybody even found out about the Horcs voldy would have kept the locket (being greedy he wouldnt want anyone having his locket) well he placed a fake, with that note in it so the person that came would think that it had already been destroyed or whatever..

It sounds stupid cuase DD said voldy wouldnt use object like that. well just seeing what everyone else thought and sorry if this was s'pose to go in HP book 6 forums.


thanks, Phat


just a edit by Not fake i mean IS FAKE BUT its spose to be fake

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Thats acctualy (I sure it wasnt ment to be) kinda funny. It made me smile. but dont get me wrong, it wasnt in a bad way. Thats not a bad idea. Or here is another one for you. What is it is the horcrux and LV just put a note in it saying it was a fake? huh...

Think will only know when we find out more about who RAB is. If as suspected that it is Regulas Black then I think it will turn out to be a fake and the real on is back at 12 Grimmauld Place in Kreachers Den.
If it is Voldermort trying to diguise his true horcrux as a fake this could cause a problem for Harry as he seems to be keeping it as a Talisman of what he is still to do and a remider of why he is doing it alone ( Death Dumbledore).

lol, but didnt harry see that guy at hogmede with the locket? well thats what i heard.. didnt bother reading it to check if it was right

i think its a fake because it didnt have the crest on it. when harry looks at the face of it-he realizes its not the same locket that he saw in the pensieve with dumbledore. but what im wondering is if dumbledore is the one who first laid hands on it-why didnt he know it was a fake just by looking at it?

Well I think the thoery is sound, it would make for an interesting plot twist if say, Harry find the other Horc. and believing that the real one might be at 12 G. Place and in the end has the last one with him the whole time.

That actually could work...I mean, it could've been just another one of LV's obstacles to prevent people from getting to the horcruxes. If someone finally got it and then found out it was just a "fake" then they most likely wouldn't attempt to destroy it, which is exactly what Voldemort wants. And instead, it might put them on a wild goose chase, trying to figure out who and where RAB is, and all that. It would be a rather cunning tactic on Voldemort's part.

that theory make sense but wat about RAB? did he just make up the initials? or did he use the initials of someone he had already killed even if it was unlikely that anyone would ever find it?

OK...I absolutely think your wrong no offense. From everything we know about Voldermort and stuff..Hes cunning..hes ruthless..hes smart..and hes powerfull...now..i can understand why you think he would leave a fake like that..but honestly can u truthfully think you believe that?or did u just do this topic for something to do?Come on guys..Voldermort never ever planned on anyone ever finding out about his horcrux's...Voldermort was probaly one of the few in the entire world to even know what they were..and he was probaly the only one to use it in centuries..I dont believe he would put a fake becuase he put to much stock in thinkin no one will ever find out about it..


And JkR would never have it happen like that..obviousy this RAB person is important and obviously she did it for a reason..If she wrote it just to screw harry off and have it so there was no one else who knew about the horcrux..well..thats just poor writing skills by her cuz it doesn't even fit in with the plot at all...If she didn't put this RaB person in there..then Harry is stuck..and he will never find the other Horcrux's.

thats true. i mean really once you think about it why would voldemort plant a fake? but i still think the theory could be partly true but im not intirely sure im sort of half and half and but im still pretty sure that voldemort wouldnt plant a fake i mean its so unlike him but maybe thats the point............?

lol I dont belive this, was just seeing what people thought

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I agree with Nemesis. Why would the most powerful dark wizard who at the time of making his horcruex was probally the only one to now much about them plant a fake. If he was going to plant a fake why would he put so much magical protection around it. I think that the no wizard would go through as much trouble as LV did to protect his Horcruex, DD even said there was a lot of magical energy around the cave. Why would any one put that much up just to through someone off if LV thought that he was the only one to now about his horcruex.

No, LV would never plant a fake Horcrux. First of all, he didnt think anyone knew about them. Second of all, there is not many wizards who could get them out, if they all were so good protected as the locket. . third of all, i just dont think that he is THAT smart.

I also think it's a fake. Anytime Harry gets near anything to do with Voldemort his scar hurts and it doesn't hurt when he's holding the fake locket.

It is a nice idea, but not particularly likely. As DD said, LV would not use common objects. I don't think he would think to use misdirection, as he thinks no one else knows about them. Everyone posting here has some nice reasons, as well.

Although I do not think the real locket would cause Harry's scar to hurt. Did his scar hurt in CoS? I do not recall.

It's possible .... At this point, there are soo many different theories going around and I just don't know what to believe! I'm kind of sitting on the fence for this one, though. Write fast and give us some answers Jo!

I don't think the Horcrux is a fake, its very possible it is, but I think RAB actually found it. I've also thought what if RAB meets up with Harry in the next book and they continue on the quest for Voldemort together?

if the locket wasnt fake...
i'm not even going to respond to that, seeing as i am pretty sure that it is fake and i will sitck with that theory until there is some content in book seven that contradicts my theory...

Yup, I havent seen any clues in the book that it is infact real, nor that it is infact fake. But Im going with fake, DD would know wouldn't he? I doubt its real, and the situation is who the heck is R.A.B.? Thats the locket problem.

Of course the locket is fake. The note is good enough to convince me. I'm not sure that they even described what it looked like in the book but I'm pretty sure that it didn't have an "S" on it.

Okay in book 5 at #12 Grimauld Place Harry is helping clean out all the junk. Among the items that are found is a "Heavy locket that no one could open" RAB "Regulas Black" left the real one in his house. We also know that he was a death eater and that LV would have known him by his initals. He also was supposedly killed around the time Harry was born.

i seriuosly dout that it wasent fake cuase harry saw what the locket looked like before and it had slitheryins mark on it. the fake was just a plain old locket with nothing on it.

i beleive that the locket wasn't fake i think it was really and that being 1 less hurcurx for harry to kill mean they don't have to add it in and then making the book smaller! but that just makes harry's work easyer and then they can add somthing more to the book and then make it longer! so im happy again (laugh out loud) just joking but siriesously it was so not a fake one! it was like so so real and when harry finds out where and what they are he'll have more time to find lord voldemort and kil him ( and make up and make out and marry ginny! that one i'm stil hoping for! ) well so thats what i think but what if it was fake ?.........

I believe that it is fake. How can you think that it is real? What was said in the book that can make you think that it was real? What evidence makes you say that? I can tell you why it's not with several basic points and you possibly can't think of one. Come on, elaborate on your reasoning and explain and convince to me that that is Slytherin Salazar's locket and Voldemort's horcrux.

After the death of DD and the last of the fighting was done, Harry and Hagrid went back to where DD's body lay on the grass. The locket was spotted outside of DD's robes, ostensibly due to the fall from the high window. The Dark Mark had been cast before DD's death, and I think whoever cast the Mark had been outside when DD hit the ground and switched the lockets either to mislead our heroes to discontinue their search for the horcrux or to destroy the real horcurx because of some (presumably negative) personal relationship with LV. I doubt DD would have failed to notice the horcrux was fake, even after being weakened by the potion, and I doubt LV would have thought to disguise it as something so apparently valueless. Someone switched it.

If the locket was switched after Dumbledore's death, then the person who did it...
Knew what it was.
Knew where Harry and Dumbledore went that night.
Knew what happened on top of the tower or what was going to happen without actually being there becuase he would be below on the school grounds to be able to switch the lockets before anyone saw him.
Saw Dubledore's body fall.
Then switched the "real" locket with the "fake" locket and wrote the RAB note to what....? Throw them off or destroy the horcrux themselves?



I think that Dumbledore knew it was a fake after they retrieved it from the cave becuase I think that he acted carelessly with it. If his death was planned, he would have gave the locket to Harry for safe keeping because he knew he would die. But if it wasn't planned, then it makes sense why he didn't give the locket to Harry, but I still don't think it was real either way.

pretty good idea...i thought of it myself..but it makes no sense

I like your idea about the locket being a fake one but I dont think JKR would go to all that trouble about writing all that stuff and turns out that Voldy had the locket the whole time and tricked Harry. I think this idea is too advanced but I like the idea , it would be smart if Voldy actually did trick Harry.

It is not just an idea that the locket is a fake, but it is basically a known fact. There is no evidence or clues what so ever that I can find to make one doubt what the locket truly is. There was no "S" on it, as was described to be on Salazar Slytherin's real locket, and the note also indicates that it is fake too. When Harry picked up the locket, didn't his heart sink or something becuase he realized that it wasn't the real horcrux? I'm not exaclty sure, but I think that something like that was written in the 6th book somewhere.

I don't think that Voldemort has the real locket, I believe that whoever RAB is, he has the locket and it is possibly destroyed. Also, just think...if the "fake" locket that Harry has is actually real, he doesn't know that. As far as he knows, RAB has the real locket and he may never realize that the actual horcrux is in his hands. It just doesn't make sense to me.

even though LV would have wanted to put obstacles and ploys like this in he wouldnt have made it look fake because someone might destroy it because they think its worthless and like DD says LV liked to use valuble meaningful objects as his horcruxes.

But what if DD made that locket to replace the real one intending to put it in its place at the cave?
So that if LV ever checked he might not notice or if he did because it says "to the dark lord" he would start looking at the death eaters and Regulus Black and not think that DD might know so he wont try to stop Harry getting the others?

well i hate to disagree to badly, but the locket harry has is indeed a fake, now i say this because the locket voldy took was salizar slytherin's , and the locket harry has is no where close to it, for 1: it wasn't big, or heavy enough. 2: it didn't have the snake "S" on it, and 3: the note found inside said that R.A.B(i support the regulas theory) took the locket and was goning to destroy it asap, but mabye voldy did take the real locket and put that note inside to throw harry off track, but that will all be revealed in book seven won't it?

That is a really good thought, that Voldemort placed the fake locket there to make people think it had already been destroyed...would be a good way to protect it, I think. However, I don't really think Voldemort did so. He already thought that nobody was aware of...
1. the cave he hid the locket in.
2. the fact that he had horcruxes.
So he didn't need more protection. Or so he thought... lol. He was pretty sure of his own genius/full of himself.
voldemort_rocks12, did you read the first post?

[color=#FF0000]Well, its not a bad idea actualy...though i cant see why voldy would want to keep it and have a greater risk of it being destroyed... but anywho, i also believed it was the real Horcrux when i read the book the first time and i thought it was for sure kjust a trick by voldy to trick Harry! Though there is a voice in the back of my head saying no it wasnt cause, if it were a trick, where did he get the fake name of RAB... i dunno..
~Ginny~

Well, its not a bad idea actualy...though i cant see why voldy would want to keep it and have a greater risk of it being destroyed... but anywho, i also believed it was the real Horcrux when i read the book the first time and i thought it was for sure kjust a trick by voldy to trick Harry! Though there is a voice in the back of my head saying no it wasnt cause, if it were a trick, where did he get the fake name of RAB... i dunno..
~Ginny~

It's a good theory, but I think that RAB actually put the fake locket in the real one's place. While Harry and Dumbledore were in the cave, Dumbledore said quite a few times that he was sure that Voldemort would think that no one knows about his horcruxes, and no one would have made it tht far into the cave. So I don' t think that Voldie put the fake there. I'm pretty convinced tht the real locket is at Grimuald Place 12, or somewhere around there.

i really doubt it because the locket didn't have the slytherin 'S' and i am sure voldy would never change that up because he is so obsessed in being a descendant of slytherin. also why fake it? he is an arrogant little moron...as nice as i can be...he thought only he knows about his precious so no point in transfiguring the locket.

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But what if DD made that locket to replace the real one intending to put it in its place at the cave?
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Thats a good one makes you think doesnt it well maybe DD done some magic to send the real horx to hogwarts (snape if he is good) or someone else... and just put the fake horx in his hand when he died... since i think it was a planned death

You know... I think some of you are reaching a little bit. No offense or anything, but it just does not add up the way that some of you think this it does. For starters, JKR is pretty close to brilliant, or at least she is the best authority there is on the Harry Potter Universe, so she would not throw in the part about the large, heavy locket that no one could open at Grimuald Place and the mention of Regulus Black for nothing. She is also not the type of author to intentionally throw things like that in to throw you off. The next is that there is no way LV would have used a fake relic. A: it meant nothing to him, B: he thought that nobody even knew about his horcruxes, let alone that anybody would be able to find them, and C: we already know that he used the real ring (the first horcrux that Dumbledore destroyed). It would not make sense for him to use the real artifact for some and not others. And for the part about Dumbledore knowing that it was a fake, yes I think in a right state he would have known it in an instant, but he was not in a right state, that was made completely clear by his actions after drinking the potion. And, if he were going to transport the real locket back to Hogwarts and carry the fake with him, that leads us to more questions,with answers that are quite improbable. Why wouldn't he tell Harry that he was sending the locket back to Hogwarts? Even if we argue that he had planned his death before hand, there is no way that he would leave that sort of burden to Harry. And then if we take into account the writing on the paper inside the locket, we have to ask, if it was Dumbledore who made the fake and placed it there, why write that? Why make it so ambiguous? So even if you wanted to argue that it was supposed to be a hint to Harry about where Dumbledore put the real locket, it just doesn't fit.
So, we do have quite a bit of evidence in front of us that should lead us to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the locket was a fake.

couldnt happen. you also have to remember the fact that the locket harry found next to dumbledore was as quoted "neither as large as the locket he remembered seeing in the penseive, nor were there any markings on it, no sign of the ornate S that was supposed to be slytherins mark"

which just goes to show. due to size conflicts and things that werent on it. it cant happen.
nice try though.

I think it is fake because it didn't have the crest on it and secondly it broke when it fell..i don't think the real locket can open so easily

I was thinkin on the whole idea of the horcruxes and wanted to post my ideas. Well its almost guaranteed Harry's gonna die, ( ) so what if hary was a horcrux? Because DD gave this huge speech about concealing a soul inside a living being, so what if Nagini wasnt the Horcrux and Harry was? this would also give more sense to the prophecy which says "neither can live while the other survives". This would be true if harry was a Horcrux wouldnt it? So Harry could probably say sumthin dramatic and he would kill voldemort then have to kill himself or have hermionie kill him, since she's the best with spells. I think that would be a emotional way to end the story.

his scar only hurt when voldy is feeling strong emoition or he is near harry. i think that the locket was indeed found but judging by the fact that it won't open maybe it was not destroyed and it is still a horcoux. But if it is not then that only leaves hime with DD's theory of Nagini, the cup, and and another object that he may have used but i think that after he came back he was forced to use one of them to live so now he only has 2 left plus he himself. also harry couldn't be a horcoux because he was not killed and that would not fit cause DD says he entered his house with plans to kill him and use that to conceal it but he was stopped so he only made to to 6 was was soon down to 3 and soon he will be 2 then 1 then he will finally die.

I don't think JK would just simply have the note be false...not after what she's written so far. The note is just not another obstacle.

It is a fake locket because it's smaller than the real one.

The fake locket and R.A.B. are indeed real. One point of the note is so that Harry has something to start the search on. Without the note, where in the world does he begin?

Also, I don't think you can use up a horcrux...they just sustain you. The Voldemort that came back is the same one that lived in exile for so long. When he came back, another piece of his soul wouldn't be destroyed or anything just because he "used it up." Good theory, though.

I think thats a really good idea!! You know about Kreacher. It's a good place to keep it as no-one would think to look there. Many people would think why the hell would you have a horcrux in the headquarters of the order of the phoenix.......thought just came to my mind. Could Kreacher go back and forth to no. 12 when he's in Hogwarts???

I thought of that but DD said that LV thinks that only he knows abt his horcruxes.He wouldn't expect that any one might find the horcrux...Sorry if you feel im squashing your idea..

if the fake locket was really the horcrux, then where did Voldy's soul go? and would Voldy really go though all the trouble planting a fake horcrux when he thought that he alone knew about them?

I agree w/ every one eles, But...

What if VD did this just as one of thoes revers logics.

Maybe he did plant a fake but RAB picked it up , thinking that it was real. He/she 'destroyed' it but sents its not the real one, there are still 5 to get to.

OR

It was not a fake but he put a not in it as RAB thinking that people (If they got to it) would, open it up first an look. VD just put all the enchantments to make people think they were getting a horcux, but they didn't so they would leave and spaz out trying to find RAB.


Crazy isn't it?

In HBP, one of the things Dumbledore was trying to teach Harry was about Voldemort's arrogance and how cocky he is. We know there are very few wizards who even know about Horcruxes. I think Voldemort was very confident, and careful, where he placed his horcruxes, especially after the diary. To me, it doesn't make much sense that he would fret about someone finding and retrieving this horcrux since there were so many enchantments guarding the cave (blood wall, boat, potion, inferi).

If someone did get it to destroy it, he probably wouldn't be that troublesome to him, as he would still have five others (assuming this happened before CoS)

Sorry I don't agree with your theory, but it was a good thought!

-Katie

This was a very good theroy but I disagree....

Voldy is very confident that no one who is alive knows about the horcruxs... He wouldn't plant a fake one, or one that seemed to be fake, just to send someone on a wild goose chase... Sorry, its just not voldy-like...

~Cougar~