well i would just like to say that even without Jo's saying so it is extremely obvious that there is no chance of a harry/hermione romance.
mentioned before was th kiss on the cheek that hermione gave harry, which indicates that she does not have romantic feelings for him. why? because hermione cares for harry as a friend, and has even shown a somewhat motherly affection for him, and hermione understands her feelings for harry as well as his feelings towards her. knowing that the relationship between she and harry is more of a sibling bond, hermione doesn't have to question whether or not he will take such a display of affection the wrong way, she is more comfortable and relaxed with harry, and reassured by knowing where they stand with eachother.
when it comes to ron however, it's a completely different picture. there has always been a tension between the two, and at the least comfortable times, sexual tension. from the very first book there has been something going on, misunderstood, and even ignored or unrecognized. both harry and ron showed and proved their care for hermione on halloween, risking themselves for her, and almost all the time throughout the book, their regards for her were around the same level. yet even from their first encounter, hermione seemed to have left a more prominent mark on ron than harry, no matter how much of a show off know it all she may have been. possibly the reason for ron's anger when hermione had corrected during charms had been caused by his pride. not wanting this particular bushy-haired girl, correcting him, whereas if it had been harry correcting him, he would be more likely to accept his help gratefully.
in the chamber of secrets ron has more of chance to demonstrate his affections for hermione, as he defends her in front of malfoy. harry, caring about hermione, would be ready to step up for her in no time, but it is ron who takes the more drastic and irrational action in hermione's honor. also when hermione is petrified, harry is, of course, quite shaken and upset, but we are noted at how ron seems to be acting considerably more subdued, and solemnly out of character in experiencing this sudden grief.
now in the prisoner of azkaban there is a lot more heat between hermione and ron, where harry just stays away out of sight, hoping not to get involved, whereas if he had, had feelings for hermione you would have thought that he would have immediately taken hermione's, forgetting about rationality, evidence, and animal characteristics. when sirius is considered a murderer and apparently attempting to murder harry in the shrieking shack, hermione throws herself n front of him and says that if he's going to die, sirius would have to get through ron and herself first. this could be taken the wrong way. while hermione is indeed, expressing her love for harry, she is also just defending her friend, as is ron, although he may not have been able to stand and produce a human shield for harry, he was still prepared to throw himself in front of him. this moment is purely to express what both ron and hermione are willing to do for their friend.
the yule ball, one of my favourite chapters. if people have read this chapter and are not convinced of the whole ron/hermione relationship they may want to take a closer closer look at the situation, and you may be able to see where im coming from.it was said that the 'truth was, harry didn't actually have a problem with hermione coming with Krum', or at least something along those lines. if harry had had any romantic feelings towards for hermione, he would have certainly been jealous of hermione and krum.
harry starts to date cho chang, in ootp, and i believe that the sexual tension between ron and hermione is rising rapidly. they are now at the peak of adolescence, which means their hormones will be flying all over the place, just like harry's are. whether hermione had kissed ron on the cheek in ootp or hpb, i can't remember, but it's actually quite a sweet moment in my opinion. hermione tip-toeing up to ron to wish him luck and giving him a sweet peck on the cheek, was a cute way to let him know she was there to support him, and to show some affection, in the middle of the great hall too, which could be, in some way, a bonus.
harry and hermione have had about a million moments alone together and have never ever shown romantic feelings for eachother in the slightest, not even when harry stated, 'but i don't think you're ugly'. he said this honestly, and he could be honest because, like hermione, he didn't have to feel embarrassed about what he said, or having to blush, thinking he had said too much.
there are thousands of other reasons that i could have said about why harry and hermione have never had the possibilities of becoming a couple, but i think you would agree that i have definitely said enough on the subject.

Becky N

Wow, Becky, that's a lot of venting out. I completely agree with all what you wrote.
Jo Rowling definitely didn't intend for H/Hr to happen romantically. Hermione has one person in her mind all the time, and that is Ron. Harry had Cho and then Ginny, but Hermione is not his type of person to have romance with. H/Hr doesn't exist in the series.

I definately do not think H/Hr would ever work out (assuming they would actually want to be together). They like other people, and I don't think that either one ever thought of the other as a partner. Besides, it would be too simple and obvious for JKR

Wow i haven't been here in a while. But anywho, i agree that it wouldn't work, even if they did get together (I don't see why they would, but oh well, pretend here). They arn't really suited and wouldn't compliment each other very well. They are brillient friends-but they have serious conflicts and it would be too much if they were a pair.

Plus the fact that JKR never intended to write H/Hr and the fact that it'd be too cliche for the HP series, which we all know is wonderful and origonal.

The case of H/Hr has been a reflection of the problem with interpreting friendship. If a girl cares for a boy, does it always mean she was romantically in love with the boy? And likewise, if a boy is close to a girl, does it always mean he wants her to be his girlfriend? Harry has shown that he feels fine having Hermione as a close friend, but definitely not as a girlfriend. Harry knows his taste of girls, and Hermione is not included in the type he likes. Hermione has likewise idea about her friendship with Harry. She will help him as much as she can, but when it comes to whom she wants to share her holidays with, she chose Ron without hesitation. There is a boundary of friendship that both Harry and Hermione will not cross. H/Hr is not going to be.

BECKY ..............O_O ....thanks for the explanition !!! ...It was really GOOD !
And I tottaly agree on the cliche part! It will be like ....oooh...! The hero and the know it all ...how many time I've read that ...I am so tired of this cliche !! We all know how original Jo is ...soooo I don't think H/Hr will ever ever ever ever ever ever happen *big happy grin*

Right Gin4ever, it's so cliche it's not funny. The hero gets the girl? We know that JKR is not like that. HP is a origonal book full of excitment and adventure-that's why we love it. (Or at least why i do).

But if we had H/Hr, that would just make it "*sigh* Typical. "

And i agree Muggleview, just because they have a close bond, doesn't mean hey are made for each other.

I never thought of it in those terms Muggs, boundaries. There are a lot of people, espically during their early years of high school and late years of junior high, who date people that they consider friends of the oppiset sex. After they break up, they either become friends again, or they don't, but they don't stay together. Harry and Hermione never cross that line thinking "s/he is a good friend," "why not see what we'd be like as a couple." They're smarter than that. Both want and need the other in their lives, but they know it's as family, it's not at all romantic.

I'm afraid I've received a complaint about this post. You guys in here really need to be careful not to insult the shippers and keep your comments to the ship only.

Let me put it another way - if someone had said "if people have read *this part* or seen *this part* of the movie and they're still not convinced that H/Hr is meant to be, then they're fools", would you be offended?

Whether or not offense was intended is irrelevant. Comments like this will be taken personally.

Aside from being offensive, it is also against the rules of the venom threads which state quite clearly that the fact that you support another ship is not evidence for why this ship isn't going to happen.

Please, before I have to lock another thread and start threatening people with account restrictions again, take a few moments to familiarise yourself with the rules for the venom threads. They're pinned at the top of the forum so are quite clear and easy to find.

The concern is well noted, Louise. Thanks.

Let's just concentrate on why H/Hr is not supposed to be happening. I would like to point out one biggest misleading issue: Hermione's care for Harry.
We agree that Hermione treated Harry as a close friend, almost a brother. Of course, she cared for Harry. Throughout the series, Harry didn't have many female friends, so naturally when it comes to the count, Harry received care from Hermione the most, more than Cho, Luna, Ginny, Angelina, Parvati, etc. However, the amount of care is only because of friendship, not more than that. Hermione clearly showed she had a feeling for Ron. Harry is Ron's close friend as well, so it's natural for Hermione to care for Harry and Ron. As the storyline is told from Harry, we don't know how much more or less Hermione cared for persons other than Harry. We only know that Hermione had decided to get close to Ron's family. We saw during the stay, Hermione cared for Ron and his family more than to Harry. Therefore, Hermione's care for Harry is not uniquely personal for Harry alone. She likes to care for people.
As the story goes on, we realise that Hermione also tried to hide her feeling from Ron, but not for Harry. Therefore, Hermione cared for both Harry and Ron, but she likes Ron as romantic partner. Thus, no H/Hr.

As I've said before, I think that Hermione saw how lonely Harry was, because she had that same loneliness in herself when she first came to Hogwarts. And wanted be friend, because they both needed one. But Ron changed both their lives by making both of them no longer lonely.
Hermione will always support Harry in whatever he does, because that's what Ron and her do. In a way, it's like he's their kid or something. She'll be there always because that's what famlies do.

That's what i like about the two of them-they have such a strong bond of friendship. They trust each other and they communicate. They are great friends. But somehow, i don't think they are actualy suited for each other.

Their personalities sometimes clash (Hermione's looking things over and Harry's "think first, ask qustions later") and really, they have never seen the light that "Oh Merlin, i like my best friend?" Sure it could happen in DH, but i see that if they were to get together, things would get pretty ugly.

Plus there's the fact that Ron would probably get shunted to one side if they got together (Which would never happen if it was R/Hr as Harry's the main character).

Exactly right, Ellen (as so many times already), Ron is the key. Ron freed both Harry and Hermione from loneliness. He joked and cheered them up. His family provided the magical family warmth both apparently lack of. Harry and Hermione each wanted Ron. Of course, Harry can't be with Ron all the time, but he gets Ron's substitute in Ginny. Hermione can have Ron as life partner. Also, as Moon said, it's not possible for H/Hr to happen, because that means Ron is shunted and thus both Harry and Hermione lost their source of cheers and warmth.

i like harry and harmione as a friend more then others

and i think they are just a loyal frends any thing that harmione do for harry is just for friendship nothing else

Please ignore this post, it is a simple diversion from the nasty spam above it at the moment. Carry on.

Harry and Hermione are very much at ease with each other because they don't harbour any other feelings than just classmates. In the conversation about families, Hermione seemed to know more about the Weasleys on subjects that the readers didn't know before. Hermione didn't mention about Harry's family very much. Harry also didn't care much about Hermione's family, but more to the Weasleys. The reason is simple: Harry and Hermione only want to know the basic information as classmates among each other, but they definitely ask for more information about the Weasleys, who will become their family-in-law.

i agree with your thinking... i am totaly and completly against h/hr but im not sure that the weaslys are a thread... i think hermonie treats harry like a brother, and ron like (well thats mY shipping opinion) but yeah. you get my point, no i dont think harry and hermoine are only class mates, i think they are bestfriends, but they have NO romantic feelings whatsoever. would you have feelings for a brother? a little sick i think. i dont know about you, but i think that if jk intented harry and hermonie to be together then she wouldnt be implying that other relationships are occuring. thats just my thought

I think that Harry and Hermione have a really strong friendship, but I have to disagree that they are like brother and sister. Sometimes those types of friends are the most likely to get together in a relationship, even if temporary, and there really isn't much indication of even that happening in Deathly Hallows as of now. So, I think it's safe to say that they aren't like a brother and sister as friends - they are just good friends. To me, having a brother/sister relationship with a friend is so much riskier than staying good friends; Harry and Hermione have shown that they recognise the line between themselves, and to keep with that line, they cannot get too attached, as it causes more doubt than settlement.

But, then again, that's just my opinion. There isn't really any heavy indication that the two of them will wind up together in the end of Deathly Hallows, that's all, and that's what matters to this thread...

Kudos!

Brother and sister may not exactly correct to describe the relationship between Harry and Hermione. I would think son and mother can also be applied here, with Ron as the father. Regardless, the chance for H/Hr to be together as lovers is very little.

Harry and Hermione really do act like mother and son. Hermione's always fussing, and Harry finds her quite nagging and to some extent, annoying. This is a basic mother/son relationship (Or at least that's how i find my mum, really good at nagging, lol) but Harry loves her anyway. But as family.

When you think about it, really, they act like that all the time. That's why i don't think H/Hr would ever happen-because they considered themselves as family. Going out with your mum? *shudders* ok, ew!

Definitely not something Harry would think of. Either as sister or mother, we all agree that Hermione's attitude towards Harry is close and caring, but not romantically. We couldn't find any romantic nuances. We only see the good deeds which fit to blood-related relationship style. We miss the romantic tensions as what we saw between Ron and Hermione, or Harry and Ginny. With all examples and patterns we got so far, H/Hr romance seems so remote.

I see them as brother and sister, I get your point Muggs, but all women fuss over the men in there lives, and sisters do that for their brothers. Thank you for saying that I was right, we all know by now I'm right on just about anything .

They are way too... siblingy. Wow, I just made up that word
I think what bothers me the most about their relationship (romantically) is the chemistry, or lack there of. They have no romantic connection whatsoever. If, for some twisted reason, they decided to go out, the result would be so static and awkward that it would be painfully to witness. However, bonded by sibling love, they floursih and get along great. However there isn't even a trace of romantic chemistry, no matter how many rocks you look under trying to find it.
That was weird. That last bit made no sense, but oh well...

Mother and son? Like, if there was something between them, it would be an Oedipus-complex?

Just a little strange, maybe... Okay, very strange. Definitely don't see any of that happening. I think Harry and Hermione are just good friends right now who respect one another.

Mistress, it made sense. That Harry and Hermione have no sexual desire for one another, and no mattter how many times you stare at the books, it's not going to pop up and wave a multi-colored flag and say "here I am!"
TheHarryinMe, a lot of people think of them as being family, so them getting together has an incest feel to it.

I guess they are kind of sibblingly, and i guess they are. Course i don't have a brother, so i can't relate, but i do have a sister, and i know i'd be pretty sad if she died, as Hermione as worried about Harry on countless occasions. We all know that they are brillient friends

But no way would they ever suit each other romantically. They arn't interested, they don't have chemistry, there are no clues in the books, and really, if they did (For some reason or another) went out, the rusult would be ...

Very awkward.



All of those smiley's (Which rock)

So yeah. Relationship? I think not.

It reminds me again how Mrs. Weasley was angry when she thought Hermione was Harry's girlfriend. I think Mrs. Weasley has witnessed early on that Hermione likes Ron, and not Harry. Hermione's parents definitely believe so and have practically transferred the care of their only daughter during the stay in the wizarding world to Mr. and Mrs. Weasley. Out of the blue, it was written in the newspaper that Hermione tried to chase Harry and then Krum. Of course, being a mother, Mrs. Weasley felt very upset and betrayed. The good thing is she visited them and listened to Harry's denial, while definitely studied Hermione and Ron to make sure.
Mrs. Weasley was satisfied that her observation was correct: H/Hr doesn't exist.

It's interesting how personally parents can take offences against their childern. Mrs. Weasley saw Hermione's actions as an offence against both Harry and Ron, and therefor her. Harry told it to Mrs. Weasley stairt, that there's nothing between them. We should trust Harry.

Another thing that I always thought was a hint that they didn't have any romantic feelings for each other is that in GoF, Harry had to save Ron from the Merpeople, not Hermione. They are very close friends, but it is not as close as the friendship between Ron and Harry, therefore, Harry would seem to think that Ron was more important to him, so he can't have romantic feelings for her.

Yes, Ron was the most important person in Harry's life. Through Ron, he entered the warm side of the wizarding world. With Ron, he can be himself and understands his destiny. Knowing Ron's feeling towards Hermione, Harry would never dream to think of Hermione as a potential date. No H/Hr in Harry's mind.

I think that Merpeople thing is actualy very good. It shows that Ron really is important in Harry's life, and if it were Hermione Harry was destined to be with, wouldn't it seem like Hermione were more important to her?

Also, on a side note, my dad today was trying to be funny and came up with this saying, which he asked me this morning and has been repeating ever since:

"Can you tell me the square root of the "Hi-potter-news"?"

It's getting very old by now and not particuarly funny. He tries to be at any rate. Lol.

But yeah, i also find it funny that Mrs Weasley was mad at Hermione, but i think it was because she was made that she was "Cheating" on Harry with krum or vice versa. Not technically because she thought she liked Ron. But it could have been a mixture of the two.

Resucing Hermione from the Merpeople would of been terribly romantic. It highlights Harry's feelings when Ron and he were broken up, that he missed him very much verse being happy Hermione was around.
If Harry had a spark of romantic feelings for Hermione, then would of been the time to notice what a wonderful friend she is. Thankfully Harry enjoys Hermione's company more than he used to. When they hung out in HBP there wasn't any negativitt and they shared a laugh.

Harry definitely can share a laugh with Hermione, as much as he shares the laugh with Ron. The friendship between Harry and the other members of the trio are the type of very close camaraderie. Although the other two members may have more than friendly feeling towards each other, it's not relevant for Harry's feeling towards both of them individually. Even later when Ron and Hermione get married, and Harry also has a wife, Harry will treat them as close friends as right now. Between Harry and Hermione there has never been any romantic feeling.

Right Muggs, and I can see Harry and Hermione sharing a cup of tea in the middle of the day well running arrens for their separt households. But they are not meant to be involved romanticly, it's just not meant to be.

Yeah, if Hermione was the one who ha to be saved, it would have been highlighting that the that H/Hr is going to happen, which JKR has said is not the intention. I think she purposly made it Ron, to highlight their friendship and no matter how important Hermione made be in Harry's life, Harry can't live without Ron. He took the song seriously, remember?

Actualy, that raise an excellent point-oh yeah, go me!

Excellent point indeed, Moon. The song and the second task clearly showed that Harry placed Ron above Hermione in the important list. May be only slightly higher, because Harry holds both of them dearly, but still it's significant to show that Harry doesn't have much more feeling to Hermione than friendship.

I think the imporantance level is now level for Hermione and Ron to Harry. But it's imporant to know that Harry has never put Hermione before everyone. He's finally, I believe, sees Hermione to be as imporant as Ron, and that happened when he thought she was dead in OotP. Because I think that Harry can live without Hermione, but it would hurt not to have her around.

Exactly, Hermione is a really inportant aspect in Harry's life, but there are people he would rather hang round with. He said so himself in GoF that

"Although Harry liked Hermione very much, it just wasn't the same as Ron. There was a lot less laughter and a lot more hanging around in the library when Hermione was your best friend"

Or something along the lines of that. But that goes to show that if there were feelings at all, surely he'd like hanging around with her?

Wow Moon, I think that that was almost was exactly what's written in the book! But we're freaks like that. But your point is well made, and I think that we've beaten this point to death, about Ron being more imporant to Harry in GoF, not Hermione, so we probally should find a slightly differnt topic.

Haha, yeah go freaks! But i agree, i think that's been said. A lot. Ok, something new ... have we talked about ... um ... yeah ...

I can't think of anything!

Um ... how that H/Hr is to never ever happen? That Harry sees Hermione as a friend? Um, that Herione would be more valube to Harry as friend? Dunno why that would be, but i like it, so yeah, i'll go with that.

I'm in a strange mood as you can tell.

Hermione is indeed more valuable as a friend. Harry can get her advice but doesn't have to live with her nagging (which Ron has the ability to be immune from). Once the war is over, Harry will rely less on Hermione's counsel. There will be no more difficult mystery to solve. They will all be fully qualified wizards and witches. They will just enjoy their lives and relaxed. In that situation, Harry would rather be with someone who is less Hermione but more Ron.

I don't know Muggs, I think that Harry values Hermione a bit more than that. I think that Harry will still need Hermione around because he loves her. And will be consuled by her in other things than school.

Of course Harry loves her, but as a friend. I think Harry knows that they'd be better off as friends, and really, Hermione's more valuable to her as i said before (Even if i didn't have a reason)

Because really, it'd just make things awkward, and i quite like to go with the fact that Harry wouldn't have time for Hermione. It seems unfair, as Harry might not have time for Ginny, or Luna, or whoever people want him to end up with. But it's true, isn't it? Ginny's not going to be there, but Hermione will and most the time Harry'll be horcrux hunting. he wouldn't have time for romance for her.

(Though Ron would-sorry, off topic)

I think i'm rambling again. Greeeeeeeeat.

It is often misunderstood that Hermione would like to spend time with Harry. Careful reading of the books suggest otherwise. Hermione would like to spend time with Harry and Ron, but not really with Harry alone. Hermione was with Harry alone out of necessity. Not that Hermione dislikes Harry, but maybe Hermione just doesn't feel like to have Harry's company, same as Harry doesn't feel alone with Hermione is much fun. In POA, Hermione was okay to be left behind with Buckbeak, while Harry went out alone. In GOF, Hermione accompanied Harry for the time he and Ron was not speaking, but it was stated clearly that Hermione divided her time between the two (we all read from Harry's point-of-view, so seemingly Hermione spent more time with Harry, but Harry himself said Hermione also spent ample time with Ron). In fact, Hermione was blushing when Harry said she would rather be with Ron. In OOP, Hermione was left alone with Harry while Ron secretly practised Quidditch and Hermione kept asking: "Where is Ron?". In HBP Hermione was left alone with Harry because Ron dated Lavender, but their encounter was few. Hermione clearly was not very keen to be alone with Harry. As a friend, she is willing to help, but in private life, Hermione actually set a good distance with Harry.

I sort of agree. You can tell Hermione likes to hang around with Harry and Ron, but with just Harry, she doesn't feel as comfortable (Course i'm just guessing, but that's what i've been getting).

In GoF, it might be H/Hr because Hermione hung out with Harry when he and Ron were fighting and not Ron. But just because she hung out with Harry doesn't mean she has feelings for him.

I mean, who knows? She could have been embarressed to hang out with Ron because she likes him (As we all know she does-sorry, off topic) and was more comfprtable around Harry because she can be confident that there won't be any awkward moments.

Plus she had to help him for the first task.

Even as Hermione spent more time alone with Harry in GoF, it has to be noted that Harry maintained Hermione divided the time with Ron as well. A few pages of GoF covered several hours of one particular day, but we didn't know what happened on the other days. Harry summed for the readers how he didn't actually like to be alone with Hermione and how Hermione actually also spent an equal amount of time with Ron alone, during the period. I find it very consistent for Hermione as well. She accompanied Harry on the basis of necessity. She knew many spells, so she was the only person close enough to help Harry. However, the notion that she also spent time with Ron (instead of siding with Harry alone), indicated that she didn't feel that comfortable with Harry alone all the time. Same as Harry, Hermione actually missed Ron's presence among them. Of course Hermione will still help Harry if needed, but it's just her heart is not for Harry.

Exactly. Like at one point, Harry described that she'd sit between them in classes, trying to make them talk to each other. In other words-no Ron did not go off to leave Hermione to choose. I think this shows either that Ron didn't want to leave Hermione with just Harry (Maybe jealousy? Sorry, off topic) or didn't hate Harry as much as we all thought. We all know that he missed Harry.

And the fact Hermione stayed with harry at some points is because of necessity is exactly true. (That doesn't really make sense-oh well, that's just me and my bad grammar )

She had to help him or see her friend toasted to smiteriens (Sp?) by a fifty-foot dragon. I mean, come on, which would you choose?

I wouldn't use the word necessity. With people you love you make sarfices all the time, giving up something you'd rather do for the other person's benfit. It was out of love that Hermione stuck by Harry because she knew he needed a friend, someone who believed in him, and didn't let their own feelings get in the way.
I think there's a good amount of differnce in time spent between Harry and Hermione in GoF to HBP. In HBP Harry actaully enjoyed Hermione's company, sharing a laugh with her alone, the first time that's ever happened. I think it shows that Harry vaules Hermione more than he did in GoF.
Muggs, where is it stated that she spent time with Ron?

Well yeah i guess not exactly a "Nessicity" but she hung out with him because his need was greater than Ron's at that moment. Just like in HBP when Ron and Hermione are fighting, and Hermione runs off crying leaving her stuff behind, harry thinks the exact same thing and goes after the friend who needs him most. And that part has to be the most un-H/Hr part because then he asks Luna to the party.

Right, and as I say, they could of went as friends and had an ok time, I went with the-Harry-to-my-Hermione friend to Homecoming and I had a good time. But Harry knew that Hermione was bent on getting revenge on Ron rather than having a good time at the Slug party.