I am reopening the venom thread for Harry/Hermione, but as for the H/G thread, I want to make a few things clear first.

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In the previous thread, I have posted that the significant venoms for H/Hr actually come from the characters in the series.

1. Harry is anti H/Hr and he let the whole world know about that in Book 4.
2. Hermione is anti H/Hr because she favours H/G
3. Ron definitely doesn't favour H/Hr
4. Ginny is naturally anti Harry with any girls other than her.
5. Mrs. Weasley is anti H/Hr based on her reaction in Book 4.
6. The readers of Rita's articles are anti H/Hr (Book 4)
7. Viktor Krum is anti H/Hr (but gave in to R/Hr!)
8. Cho Chang is anti H/Hr (Book 5, but not H/G)
9. Parvati Patil has never been a supporter of H/Hr, as she expected H/G (Book 4).
10. Same with Lavender Brown, although she is also anti R/Hr (Book 5).
and more others.

I think the series has been systematically written to be anti H/Hr, despite the closeness of friendship between Harry and Hermione.

EDITED:
I want to elaborate more on "and more others" here:
11. Draco Malfoy never considers H/Hr. He knows about H/G (book 2) and R/Hr (Book 4).
12. Rita Skeeter. She wrote the first gossip article about H/Hr, but then abandoned H/Hr in favour of Viktor/Hermione.

Yay it's back . And let's all people plese be good now. Talk about made up people(Harry and Hermione) verse real ones(H/Hr shippers).
Muggy nice post to get it all started. When I read Harry telling Krum that Hermione wasn't his girlfriend and didn't want to be, I thought that that was really telling. And I would always go back to that when I read H/Hr agrueements. And you know that Rita doesn't print a true word, so again, H/Hr doesn't make sense.

That's another way the author use to show H/Hr is bogus. Using a gossip reporter who tends to publish fake news, the readers are clearly told that H/Hr is fake. Also very interesting that Voldemort didn't pay attention to it either. Otherwise, Hermione might be in mortal peril right now, being labeled as "Harry's girlfriend" in public. The fact that nothing befalls Hermione nor her family so far (she could still go vacationing with her parents in Book 5) while many muggles and wizards were assassinated, shows that even the Dark Lord and Death Eaters are not buying H/Hr.

Well I don't think that they knew about H/G till now, because Draco or Snape will tell the DEs. But it's true, why not target Hermione after OotP, a bunch of Death Eaters saw her there, but they didn't asume that Harry and her were together. Or Draco, observing the trio for six years could of told Lucis at any point that he thinks "the Mudblood is in love with Potter," or as Muggy said Lucis could of read the news paper to see that him and his buddies should set a trap for Hermione.

You are right, Ellen. Now we can add another character to the list of anti H/Hr. Draco Malfoy has been targeting Harry, Ron and Hermione for years. He is definitely not a stupid person, seeing how he accomplished so much in Book 6, to almost successfully kill Dumbledore (with the cabinet and dark powder etc.). Yet, he always saw H/G and R/Hr. Despite being a character from the evil side, the readers can trust his analysis, that nothing leads to H/Hr.

Yeah, I think that Draco has know for quite a while that Ron and Hermione like each other, observing them from how they fight him and how Harry and Ron protect Hermione and how it's differnt.
To go on a simalar but differnt topic. The one thing that truly showed me that H/Hr will never be is in HBP when they didn't go to Slughorn's party together. They could of had an okay time as friends, by best friend Joe and I went to Homecoming together and I had fun. But I think the reason they didn't go was because Hermione asked Ron to go with her, as a date, first. It wouldn't be right if they went together.

And who was in Hermione's mind all the time in the party? Ron. She wanted to get back on Ron as hard as possible. She chose the person that Ron despised the most. Even when Harry inquired, she openly said it was all about Ron. Nothing, not even a bit, indicated H/Hr can even be formed at this point. I found out another person who is anti H/Hr: Luna Lovegood. Will elaborate in the next post.

the one thing that makes this ship fall apart at the seams is the non- existent chemistry.Almost every other ship has some chemistry in it to some extent. You need chemistry in a relationship and this one has none.

Hello there choccokitty, it's nice to have someone else on this thread, because it becomes a back and forth of Muggy and I very quickly.
And I believe what you said is true. There's no chemistry, no passion for H/Hr. They are completely loyal and decated to each other, love eachother very much, but there's no za za zue. I remember at the old debate thred, H/Hr supports would say that H/Hr don't have a cardinal relationship, which is true. Which is why they're never be togehter.

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That's true, Choccokitty, the chemistry between H/Hr is absent. They are good friends, but they don't feel the romantic chemistry. After passing through relations and revelations, they should have realised by now that they will forever remain at close friendship level and not more than that. By now they have found their respective soulmates. H and Hr are not meant for each other romantically.
Ellen, for the sake of good intention in this thread, instead of mentioning the word "support", you may simply use: "one or more posters" without denoting their preferences. Adding to what you wrote, most posters agreed that H/Hr hasn't shown anything remotely indicating a romance yet. May be they won't at all. Although anything is possible in Book 7. The issue is in their will. If H and Hr has any slightest interest, they would have shown it a bit differently than what we have read throughout the series. They just don't have the will to establish romance. They are purely non-romantic friends, growing up together close to be siblings, but not more than that.

Doly noted Muggy(about the word supprot).
To me I think that if anything was to happen between H/Hr it would of happened already. For example, in the sixth book Hermione could of seen how bad Ron is for her or whatever, because he went out with Lavender to spite Hermione. And it worked, although Hermione had no idea what she did. And there you go again, she had no clue that Ron knew what happened between her and Krum. But anyway, Harry was right there, girlfreindless and sweet. She would of shown more persitance in wanting to spend time with Harry. But what she was thinking about was Ron and how she could get back at him.

You hit the right spot, Ellen. Harry was at the time in search for a girl. He cared for Hermione (not that Harry think about romance. We can clearly see his mind). Ron behaved as a jerk. Hermione could have accept Harry's kindness and build a deeper relationship from there.
She didn't. Harry didn't even think of pursuing further. No chemistry.

Yeah, and what about Harry, he's been with Hermione for six frickin years, we as readers, we are inside his head when we read the book. Never once does he feel butterflies around Hermione, confusion of feeling feelings he never had beofre, and so on. There's never been any of that.

Harry has seen Hermione being attractive, and what did he do? He classified her simply as one of the pretty girls. He watched her dating Viktor without any anger. Looking back, the reason he paid attention to her is mainly because he didn't want to look at Cho and Cedric. Harry roughly paid similar amount of attention to Fleur and Roger, during the dances. Only later, he took notice of Hermione because she came to him and Ron, starting the "fraternising with enemy" row. Where is the odd feeling for Hermione? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Good. I'm glad Muggy's point was noted. Saved you from an official warning which I was all ready to issue, Ellen.

DO NOT mention shippers, posters, "I've seen *this* posted" or anything else that people are likely to take offence over. I WILL stop you posting for doing it. I'm not accepting excuses from people who have been here for long enough to know better.

Louise, I was stating ideas that go along with the H/Hr ship. I've long learned my lesson what to say and what not to say and how to say it on these threads. Because I know that you need to respect people.

Yes, Muggy. Why no jealousy of Victor on Harry's part? I really like that part in the movie "I'm scared for you," because it shows what Harry and Hermione's feelings are. Steven, crafty little devil that he is, put the joke of being phyiscal there for a reason. Harry laughs easly with Hermione's embrassment instead of looking angry of confused or jealousy in anyway. The girl you have feelings for sleeping with another guy, hilarous! And when Hermione tells Harry how worried she is for him, how does he look, annoyed. He doesn't turn to her with a soft expression saying "Don't worry Hermione, I'll be alright," he looks away with a look that says "stop bugging me, I'll be fine!"

Speaking about GOF movie now, objectively I see it anti H/Hr. There are moments that could be or should be leading to H/Hr, but both sides were shown never to have any intentions to go that way. The "I'm scared for you" is one. It started similar to any romantic scene, with good view, ambience, but then the dialogs weren't. Steve Klove seemingly wants to make his points that however you try to put them in romantic situation, if the two are not in it, it's useless.
Hermione's words are chosen to be authoritative (mother-like, if you want), while Harry's are like those of a stubborn child. The tent scene where Hermione hugged Harry is another one. It leads to false articles. So that means Rita Skeeter in the film doesn't believe in H/Hr. She only wants to use it, so she has something to write (come back to the books). I note Rita Skeeter as anti H/Hr. She actually departed from H/Hr to promote Viktor/Hermione in Book 4. That's canon. I should update my list.

Ah yes, cannon, how good you've been to me. ::gives cannon a big hug:: And yay list!
Speaking of Harry and Hermione hugging, one thing that I thought that I didn't before when I was reading HBP was, after the first game Harry hugs Ginny, but lets go very quickly. This is a contrast to all the times Hermione has hugged him, he lets her do it. He doesn't pull away because of confused feelings.

That's another big proof about a non-existent H/Hr relationship. The hugs in Book 1 and Book 5 both are set as a comparison to the romantic gestures in book 3 and 6.
In book 1, Hermione didn't feel bad to hug Harry and let him go to his perilous journey, while Hermione quickly went back to tend... Ron! (there goes the priority!) In book 3, she lost her control and hug Ron. Harry didn't feel awkward in Book 1. Ron felt awkward in Book 3.
Additionally, in movie 2, Hermione felt awkward to hug Ron.
In book 5, Hermione hugged Harry using a similar style as Mrs. Weasley, just a couple of pages earlier. Harry didn't feel a jolt or a relieved. Instead, he still lashed out his anger about being left alone by the two. In book 6, Harry couldn't let Ginny hug him longer, although he wanted her to. Hermione broke down and there she could hug Ron.
There should be a contrast. Harry and Hermione just aren't meant to be a romantic pair.

I couldn't agree more, Muggleview, and if I may say so, I am honoured to be around fellow devoted Herons like you. You really did your research. Well done!

Harry and Hermione is definately a no-go. it is a relief, because in most movies and books the main female always goes for the main male. However, Ron and hermione is a match made in heaven (or more accurately, a match made by Jo. Long Live!)

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Mistress of Magic, thanks for the encouraging words. I am impressed very much that Jo Rowling dares to depart from the basic assumption of most books and movies. Completely agree with you that Jo has done a great job in matchmaking. The equation is very well balanced.
Hermione (from muggle world) is paired with Ron (from wizard world) whereas Harry (from muggle world) is paired with Ginny (from wizard world).
Hermione has shown her interest early on that she would dwell in the wizard world. She is eager to know someone knowledgable in the wizarding world. She found that in Ron, not in Harry.
On the other hand, Harry was looking for similar person and got Ginny. Nowhere can we find any lead to H/Hr pairing, other than occassional necessity in alternating the adventure groups.

Yes, like the whole Grawp thing in the 5th book, Hermione knew that she would only be able to her and Harry to get Umbrige away, and yes Hermione clinges to Harry as she trembles, but I'm sure if it was her and Ginny in the woods, they'd be hanging on to eachother too.
And I love Jo too for breaking the main guy and girl get together cliche, it's so much more original.

Actually Hermione never thought Umbridge will take Harry along. She was just thought she would not be attacked because she is underage. However, as Harry was nearby, she can always rely on him as a good friend. Also, Hermione didn't feel awkward to do it, indicating that she doesn't bear any romantic feeling at all. Harry is just a friend. Exactly as Ellen said, Hermione would grab Harry if he was a female. No different. I think she would be more awkward if Ron was the only one there. The fight and flight incident definitely showed H/Hr doesn't happen.

Hello,
I am kind of new to posting, but I agree with what's been said about the H/Hr relationship improbability.Please correct me if I am wrong, but did JKR in an interview state that Hermione would in fact find someone that would be unexpected, but that it wouldn't be Harry? I thought that I had read that somewhere and would love to know if it is valid or not. If it is, then that would greatly strengthen the impossibility of H/Hr because who would know better than her!?

Yes Quibbler, Jk Has said that it would be Ron and Hermione quite a few times.
Dateline NBC - OotP (Katie Couric) [0503]:
JKR: He does have certain adolescent rights of passage happen to him.
KC: Any snogging with Hermione?
JKR: *does the thingie with the eyebrows and the nose* Hermione and Harry do you think so?
KC: NO I'm just kidding.
JKR: Ron and Hermione I would say. There's more tension there.

BN.com [102000]:
Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione during the last half of Goblet of Fire? I love your books, by the way, and two of them I've read straight through cover to cover in under 24 hours.
JKR: Well done on the reading speed! Yes, something's "going on," but Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy.

And my personal favorite, the quote that's on my sig:
I will say, that yes, personally feel-well it’s going to be cleat once people have read book six. I mean that’s it. It’s done, isn’t it? We know. Yes, we do now know that it’s Ron and Hermione. -JK Rowling, July 16th 2005

So yes, as seen from these quotes here H/Hr has a slim to none chance of happening. But quotes just from JK is hardly enough on these threads, this also is an analyis of their characters.
Muggy, my books aren't with me right now, but I thought Hermione said to bring Harry along. But whenever I read a part with Hermione and Harry I ask myself, would she act the same way with Ginny, would Harry act the same way with Ron. And speaking of Ron, in CoS when the go into the woods looking for the spiders, Ron grabs Harry, twice I believe, and also a thrid time in the castle after Hermione was out of action.

Quibbler, that's very true, the best person to know H/Hr won't happen is the author.
However, in this thread we are limited to discuss the characters. Any discussion about real persons, including the author, may be deemed improper by the Admin. So let's concentrate on the characters in the books. Surely Jo Rowling already placed many many signs refuting the H/Hr. We'd better focusing on these signs. Oh, there are more, each time I reread the books.

Ellen, Hermione only said she didn't want any of the Slytherins to go with her and Umbridge. It was Umbridge who wanted to take Harry. At first, she only said 'Just you (Hermione) and me' but somehow she decided to take "Potter" with her, maybe because she wanted to dispose Harry outside the room at the same time.
It's true that Hermione did the trick to save Harry from Cruciatus spell. I'm sure Hermione will do that also if Neville is under the same threat, because her plan was to use Centaurs to get rid of Umbridge. She didn't mean to take anybody with her. Still, it's a good thing that Harry went along, so we saw the whole things. The disadvantage: we didn't see Ron and Ginny in action.
Just to remove any suspicions of romance, after the Centaurs and Grawp have gone, the readers were presented the quarrell between Harry and Hermione, in which we can clearly see that the two cannot be a compatible romantic pair. Another big sign of Anti H/Hr.

Oh, well, ok then. I just wasn't sure, not having my books with me. But I trust you Muggy.
But yes, I'm sure Hermione would of acted the same way for anyone she cared about. With the fake crying. And that's funny you should say that Muggy about how they acted away from Grawp and the centars. Harry yells at her for getting them even further away from saving Sirius, he didn't ask about her physical or emonational well being, and they were just in a pretty scary sitiuation.

The quarrell is meant to show how incompatible Harry and Hermione are. If they were forced to be a couple, Harry could very well be abusing Hermione and Hermione could very well end up hating Harry. Harry needs someone who can guide him strongly and doesn't budge on his temper tantrum. Hermione needs someone who can accept her situation without being abusive, even verbally. That's the beauty of bickering, because it's a balanced discussion, nobody verbally abuses anybody, they debate their opinions at the same level. Harry and Hermione cannot be a happy romantic couple with the trend showed in Book 5.

Yeah, as I said to my sister, "Harry needs someone who calls him on his c**p." Hermione trys to, but he forces her opionon on him so he doesn't listen. Ginny knows how to talk to Harry where he'll actually listen. Ron knows how to calm Hermione down. I agree Muggs, if they were paired together it wouldn't go well at all.

Back to the characters who are not in favour of H/Hr. Luna Lovegood is one of straight-talker in the series. She has a peculiar way to say the truth. Nowhere did she say anything in favour of H/Hr. More interestingly, her character is developed as a spice for R/Hr, instead. From the very beginning Luna was introduced, she directly made advance to Ron, and this clearly annoyed Hermione. Hermione didn't say anything when Harry read Luna's paper, but she didn't want Ron to read the same paper. Later in Book 6, Luna was readily going with Harry to Slughorn's party, knowing that Hermione didn't go with Harry. This happened after Luna interacted with the Trio for a while, including sitting down with Harry and Hermione during the interview with Rita Skeeter. I am convinced Luna knows what happens between Harry, Ron and Hermione. I don't think she will testify to ever see any Harry/Hermione romantic relationship (or any possibility thereof).

Yeah, Luna always tells the truth, and she atemped to comfort Hermione after she ran into the the bathroom and cryed because Ron made fun of her, so she knows that Hermione likes Ron, not Harry. Woah, I know I should of thought of this before but, in the first book Hermione ran into the the bathroom because Ron made fun of her. It was forshadowing! God, I'm so blonde!

Don't feel too bad about missing the signs in the first book. After all, the author meant to hide it from the readers until later. The important thing is to realise that there has been no sign for H/Hr from the first book! In book 1, on the train Hermione first take a look at Harry and Ron, but then her gaze stayed at Ron! Second time, Hermione came to warn the boys not to fight, looking at Harry then Ron and had conversation with Ron! Hermione tried to warn Harry not to break the rules, but always ended up bickering excitedly with Ron! Fighting the troll, Harry tried first, but failed, the success was given to Ron! Even in the movie, at the end, Hermione stepped into the train with Ron, while Harry still stayed on the ground for a while. Book 1 is most obviously anti H/Hr.

I think the troll was more Trio than shippy, Muggs, but I agree. And I didn't miss from the first book, because I think if Harry had said the same thing, she wouldn't of cryed, but I missed the forshadowing till now.
But yes, on the train she noticed that Ron was doing a spell, only later does she notice that Harry's even there.

Actually I would say Hermione saw Harry at the train first, because when you open the compartment door, you usually see the people in the farther side, meaning near the window. Harry sat near the window according to the book and movie. However, Hermione didn't have much interest on him or Ron, because she was looking for a toad. Then, Hermione gave Ron undiverted attention (even sitting down) to see how he would perform magic.

The troll thing is indeed a trio thing, but it's a very few instances that Ron got the glory, especially in front of Hermione. One can feel it more in the Movies, because in all Movies, Ron was reduced to a less useful sidekick, except for that Troll moment.
I would say the troll scene is anti H/Hr, although I don't think the Troll himself is.

Ugh... I can't stand this ship. I mean, ok I can stand it... But... Why ruin the awesomeness of the Hermione and Harry friendship by trying to make them hook up?
I think Hermione and Ron balance Harry out, most of the time, and he can't sway toward one more then the other. He does usually side with Ron, but you know... Hermione's one of his best friends!
Ron and Hermione, I'm not sure if they are good for each other either (am on the fence), but not Hr/H.
Only in fanfics...

That's correct, xfireflyx, many friendships are better to stay as friendships. We aim for one romance, but we maintain many friendships. Harry and Hermione apparently have the same thought. Both will maintain their close friendship forever, but not in romance. For romance each of them already has someone very clear and close. I don't think any of them will ruin the close friendship for a mismatched romance. H/Hr friendship is great, don't push it to romance.

Yeah Muggs, that's one problem I have with the movies, is how they down play Ron and beef up Hermione's character. It was the most level in Gof and I'm praying that in OotP it will be pretty close. Speaking of, OH MY GOD. We have the first promtional pictures from OotP!!! Yay!
Welcome to the thread xfireflyx, please feel free to post here again because it's pretty much turned into a back and forth between Muggs and I. And heaven knows, I'm so sick of that guy! Kidding, kidding of course. I'm just happy. Pictures, pictures. They havn't even finished fliming yet, is this the earliest they're come out in comparison to the realse date?
Back on topic, I've said many times about the beauty of H/hr friendship, it's not broke, so don't try to fix it.

The pictures are awesome. I hope Movie 5 will put to rest for all speculations. Now that Jo already opened her card, the screenwriters don't need to make H/Hr ambiguous anymore. They can just show openly that Harry and Hermione are good friends, but each of them has their hearts on someone else. In the movie 5, Harry will kiss Cho!

And then show a very unjealous Hermione, giving Harry advice and pitting looks when his date goes badly. And Hermione trying to find out if Ron likes her or not. OotP is a very intersting book, ship-wise. And hoping the movie doesn't lead the audinece still thinking that Harry and Hermione might have romantic feelings for eachother.
That one picture with them standing next to each other looks werid, like she's putting her hand in his pocket.

Remember the Movie 4 teaser pictures, Hermione also holds Harry's jacket while watching the Death Eaters rampaging the tents during the Quidditch World Cup event. At the end, the film actually indicates no H/Hr romance. I hope the film-maker doesn't play around with the idea of teasing H/Hr in Movie 5, because now Jo has revealed it will be R/Hr. I hope to see how the H/Hr friendship can develop and mature without any romance involved.

yeah, by other promtional pics of GoF it seems like they really held back with the H/Hr in the movie over all, which is a relief.
But it's werid, my would her hand go in his pocket? Maybe she's just touching his back.

I think that's just illusion from the photo. Hermione might happen to lift her arm behind Harry and at that very moment it looks like she is holding him. Or maybe she is holding him. But Ron doesn't seem to feel bad about it, although he is very jealous at Viktor in the book 5.
Since we already know that Book 5 is void of H/Hr romance, I don't see anything can be made to indicated H/Hr, other than their close friendship.

Well he's gettin up from a chair, it looks like, I don't think she's holding him, but toching his back maybe. Anyway, they're all looking in a general direction, Hermione isn't looking at Harry and Harry isn't look at her. It's not shippy at all. I wonder what they're looking at.

Amazing to see that media are now anti H/Hr. A few years back, some still hinted on H/Hr. Apparently, they follow the development very well. With each movie out, the chance of H/Hr is less and less and eventually insignificant. Basically, they have realised that Harry didn't have a heart on Hermione that way.

Yeah, I think there was a pretty big hint in the promtion for GoF for H/Hr, but no real delivery. Ron is crealy jealous of Victor, when only on hour ago(movie time-wise) he was saying how amasing he is. And it's pretty clear when Hermione yells at him and crys, falling down crying no less, that she wished she went with Ron. Hermione hugs Harry because of the dangers he's facing, and says she's scared for him for the same reson. R/Hr=sexual tension. H/Hr=life long friendship.
I was thinking the othet day about their relationship, and how it seems right that they would become friends, even without Ron. Both Harry and Hermione are only childern. Having a sibling is a wonderful thing. My sister is my best friend. It's a great comfort because our parents die before us, but in a way you're not left alone because of your brother or sister. They've become eachother's comfort in that family way. Oh course Harry has a like bond with Ron, but Hermione doesn't with anyone else. She loves him a sisterly way.

It comes back to Hermione's hitherto perception on the boys. With Ron, she has her equal footing. Ron usually has answers to her ranting. With Harry, she becomes a protector and advisor. A different treatment. Seeing how Hermione looking for reference for Harry, it's really like treating Harry as her own son, even teaching him a lesson or two about girls, romance and jealousy. It's so natural for Hermione to show her superiority in knowledge. She finds her great use in Harry, because Harry needs them very much in his adventures. However, in peaceful days, there's no connection. I remember one telling scene in Book 5: Ron was practicing Quidditch. Harry was studying in the library. Where was Hermione? She decided to go to her room to study! What's wrong with the library? Hermione always studies in the library?
Nothing's wrong with the library. She just prefered not to be with Harry alone in the library, without Ron, in peaceful days.

The most telling sign I had was actually in the movies. At the end of CoS, H/Hr hug but R/Hr don't. It was too awkward for them to hug since they liked each other. JK shared that information with the writer Steve Kloves knowing that he could not write anything that led to a H/Hr romance. He added it sooner than she did.

Which is interesting because I think their was visable R/Hr in the 2nd book. Ron is jealous of the attention that Hermione is giving Lockhart, when she bursts into their doom room she moves Scabbers out of the way to sit on Ron's bed, when Harry's is close by and rat-free.
Muggs, yeah, like I said, big sister. But I'm also trying to say that Harry is very special to Hermione because she doesn't have a sibling type bond with anyone else. My sister is very special to me too.
After the Burial, nice to have someone here other than me and Muggy.

i got a hint of Ron-Hermoine relationship when Hermoine Hugged Ron at the time Buckbeak was supossedly being killed. She immediately turned to Ron for comfort, not Harry. I thought that was very telling. You turn to someone you love for comfort. Hermoine and Harry have a sibling relationship. Hermoine is worried about him, bosses him around, fussed over him like a mother.