Well lets see what i can say.
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I'm not complaining about the world wide attention. I'm telling people they should really think out before they make cutting comments about Ohio for the way they voted (in reguards to those Kerry supporters that want to insult Ohio). |
Actualy i dont think that we are blaming Ohio. It has been nothing but "what if" really. You also have to remember that Ohio was one of the 3 key states. Pennsyvania, Florida, and Ohio. Whoever won 2 of those states won the election. When PA went to Kerry and Florida went to Bush, we wanted to know where Ohio was going becasue Ohio was going to be the deciding facter, remember, no one had been able to take a clear lead in Ohio. Many people are just bitter, not so much mad. And if you think you did the right thing then why are you biting back at us. If you beleive what you did was right then the entire states needs to hold its head up and get on with life.
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If Ohio would have been early with their answer, then the deciding factor would have been put upon someone else's shoulders. |
Not at all. Kerry could not win unless he had Ohio. And it was well beleieved that the majority winner of the 3 swing states was going to win the election. Go back and look at what happened. If Kerry wins Ohio, he wins the election. If Bush wins Ohio, he wins. That is what it came down to.
eedoe -- you have to be able to accept that some people will take longer than others to accept defeat. those people are just going to say some things. It will calm down though.
Americans have so many head issues (yes we do and we all know it) that they want to make a system that basicaly did its job and make it into their own machine. What i mean is that some Kerry supporters are just so upset that they want to charge anything agaisnt Bush to get him out of office. All it means is that they are bitter and taking a little bit to accept that they lost.
I dont know what else to say. This post kinda went in circles. Sorry about that.
Ooh, zesty!
OK, I am from Cincinnati, Ohio, and I voted in this most recent election. Guess who I voted for?
RALPH NADER!
Write-in all the way, baby.
So, yeah, I voted at the local polls (an affluent WASP suburban community), and there were no lines whatsoever. Cincinnati is typically the conservative part of the state (as is the rural Eastern area), so I saw things from that end. I really didn't see any problems in Ohio as far as voting is concerned. Our Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell (a staunch Republican), ended up putting a hold on several hundred "provisional" ballots because they wanted to make sure that they did it right, but that was about it for the drama in Ohio. It was nothing like Florida, for sure.
But as far as the candidates went, Bush pandered to the corporations and business-related special interests, and Kerry pandered to the equally-rich lawyers and other special interests. It was the-lesser-of-two-evils all over again, and I respect the value of democracy too much to vote for someone in whom I don't believe (the grammar nazi has arisen!).
OK, I am from Cincinnati, Ohio, and I voted in this most recent election. Guess who I voted for?
RALPH NADER! Write-in all the way, baby.
So, yeah, I voted at the local polls (an affluent WASP suburban community), and there were no lines whatsoever. Cincinnati is typically the conservative part of the state (as is the rural Eastern area), so I saw things from that end. I really didn't see any problems in Ohio as far as voting is concerned. Our Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell (a staunch Republican), ended up putting a hold on several hundred "provisional" ballots because they wanted to make sure that they did it right, but that was about it for the drama in Ohio. It was nothing like Florida, for sure.
But as far as the candidates went, Bush pandered to the corporations and business-related special interests, and Kerry pandered to the equally-rich lawyers and other special interests. It was the-lesser-of-two-evils all over again, and I respect the value of democracy too much to vote for someone in whom I don't believe (the grammar nazi has arisen!).
I appreciate that I didn't explain my last post very clearly. All I was saying was that if Bush and Kerry were still in with a chance of winning, and the only state left undeclared had been Texas, even DESPITE Texas' obvious Bush slant, some mornons would still have a go at Texas; I was just trying to make a funny little point, sadly got ate up a bit by my own waffling!
As for knowing about US politics I did an A-level in it, and once I've done my law degree I intend to go into UK politics, so I guess it kinda figures, seeing as politics is my one BIIIIIIIGGGGG passion in life. (obligatory statement: just behind HP of course - I don't want to be killed).
As for knowing about US politics I did an A-level in it, and once I've done my law degree I intend to go into UK politics, so I guess it kinda figures, seeing as politics is my one BIIIIIIIGGGGG passion in life. (obligatory statement: just behind HP of course - I don't want to be killed).
OK that makes more sense "You've Been Tangoed". Im not so sure though. It might have it might not have. It would come down to the last state that made a difference in the election. Remember, whoever won Ohio won that election. in other words, Americans have enough sense to pay attention to the state that will really matter. I should juet let the matter go though since you were just making a joke out of it instead of being serious.
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| It's been here the whole time, so speak as you please. Who knows how long Freedom of Speech will last in the U.S.? Some of the things in Orwell's 1984 is already happening. . . |
You have nothing to worry about until they try to amend the constitution, and amending the constitution is practically impossible unless you have at least sixty percent support for your cause, and why would sixty percent of America voluntarily give up their freedom of speech? Maybe a freedom vs. security thing, but I doubt it. As it stands now, there must be a "clear and present danger" in speech that threatens national security for it to be unprotected by the first amendment.
The supreme court as well as GWB's constituency are very strict-constructionist, meaning that they believe that only things specifically mentioned in the constitution should be enforced. Luckily, free speech, free presses, and free assemblies are specifically mentioned as rights, so again, they'd have to amend the constitution to change any of that, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It just bothers me when I hear someone saying things like this. GWB isn't the devil, and he's not out to get you. He's just following the will of his constituents (or, more accurately, the will of those who paid for his campaign, with a few table scraps thrown to the Religious Right to keep them begging for more).
I think GWB is a great leader in all fairness, I just think that the 'scraps' that he does give to the religious right are far too large. I think that as, like you said, the SC at the mo is very strict constructionist, privacy will be a big issue in the very near future. Albeit, the nuiance of some of the first 5 of the bill of rights is to include privacy, but with nothing specifically written there we're all going to be in trouble soon; we might be able to say what we want, but anyone will be able to listen in!
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| I think anyone is better than Bush. I think Bush is a lying peice of ****!!!! |
Sorry I hadent read the rules yet when i posted this.
But I really REALLY DONT like Bush at all.
i think that anyone is better than kerry. im glad that bush won instead of that...guy (if u can call him that) 
By the way, it's not Ohio's "fault" if Bush was elected. It's a democracy, majority of the state wins. Nobody can declare Bush was the "wrong" candidate - it's just matter of opinion.
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| Luckily, free speech, free presses, and free assemblies are specifically mentioned as rights, so again, they'd have to amend the constitution to change any of that, and that isn't going to happen any time soon. |
Two words: Patriot Act. It already violates a handful of our constitutional rights. Without a warrant, the FBI could barge into our homes. It's already happening and it's horrifying to think about how it my progress over the years.
In addition, the term "flip-flopping" has come to be synonymous with changing one's decisions. But if Kerry came out of Vietnam and said, look, "I've seen war. That was what it looked like, how it felt like." and changed his outlook on life, that's a wise decision. I admire a person who realizes his/her mistakes and admits it, then changes his decision in order to correct him/herself. I admire that person much more than a person who has one idea and adheres to the same plan, and refuses to acknowledge any mistake on his/her behalf.
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| i think that anyone is better than kerry. im glad that bush won instead of that...guy (if u can call him that) |
Kerry is married and has children. Yes, he is a man. Whopee-doo.
Now if you'd like to offer some supporting evidence to your statement rupertluvr. . .
Patriot Act? I haven't heard about that one. Was that before or after 9/11?
I'm just curious really....did that come about as an attempt to give law enforcement agencies the right to search for terrorist-related stuff without a warrant? I'm wondering if that all came about because of Bush's fear of another attack on US soil....
Not particularly adding much to the debate here, I know....but like I said, I'm just curious.....because if it did come about as an attempt to curb the threat of terrorism, then there are one or two points I'd like to make about that.....
I'm just curious really....did that come about as an attempt to give law enforcement agencies the right to search for terrorist-related stuff without a warrant? I'm wondering if that all came about because of Bush's fear of another attack on US soil....
Not particularly adding much to the debate here, I know....but like I said, I'm just curious.....because if it did come about as an attempt to curb the threat of terrorism, then there are one or two points I'd like to make about that.....
Hmm, I am not to sure about that, but when I talked about it in my class, my teacher did say that it was used to find terrorists, or something like that... but it is a complete invansion of someone's privacy. They can search for any reason, and without a warrant.. 
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That one really substantiate the fact that stupid people votes for Bush.
That one really substantiate the fact that stupid people votes for Bush.
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