I searched the master list, and though I found a few Hermione threads, this didn't really seem to fit them. Mods - if this should be somewhere else, then, by all means, do what you must.

OK, here goes. Hermione is the only one of the trio who studies the subject of arithmancy, and I wanted to find out exactly what this subject is, so I looked on the internet and found the following definition:



Note that greeks used arithmancy to predict the victor out of two combatants. So that got me thinking about Hermione's knowledge, and how it might help Harry in the final battle

I know it may seem like a tiny detail that she is the only one of the three who studies this subject, but we know how JKR likes to put seemingly insignificant things in and later say, "Ha! it was more important than that!"

Any ideas?

i think that something bad is going to happen to hermione i mean every one has pay there fair share but i don't think that hermione has i think that death eaters might come after her. also shes a mudblood and one of harry's best friend she is definately going to payi think that something bad is going to happen to hermione i mean every one has pay there fair share but i don't think that hermione has i think that death eaters might come after her. also shes a mudblood and one of harry's best friend she is definately going to pay!!

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i agree that hermione seems to have had a better life than harry and ron, so maybe her luck will run out

i hope not

but her 'mudblood status' will mean she is in more danger than the others, especially after what happen in CoS, mayb its a warning, maybe its a sign and it will repeat itself, maybe hermione will find out where one of the horcruxes is and pay her life for it

I would hate for Hermione to die, but now that you mention it Lavender Brown, I can just imagine Hermione finding out something useful about voldie or the horcruxes but get killed before being able to tell Harry, just like how she was petrified by the Basilisk before she could warn Harry or a member of staff at the school about it

I hope not though

You may be right Kymar, it may be very significant that Hermione studies subjects that Harry and Ron do not. In fact, doesn't hermione study something like "Ancient Runes"? (or something like that) maybe she will have to help translate something for Harry to help him get a horcrux.

A lot of people are incorporating these ideas into their fanfics. I like the idea that these subjects become more important than previously thought. We know Voldemort studied them in school (simply because he was thirsty for knowledge). It would make sense that he use as much and varied magic as possible.

You're right, HPfan, she does study a subject called Ancient Runes, and I hadn't thought about that before, but it could be significant.



And I didn't realise that Tom Riddle had studied these subjects. Thanks for pointing that out, that is very significant, as it means that Hermione has an advantage in knowing things Voldemort knows that the other two don't know (I hope that makes sense to people, I couldn't think of any other way to word it.) So maybe finding and destroying the horcruxes (and Voldemort) will be more of an intellectual exercise.

i agree that hermiones intelligence will alsmost certainly help them to find at least one horcrux because i think her intelligence will pay off finally because it is one of her greatest assets, neither harry or ron are that clever, they just about passed all their OWLs

Well of course Hermione's knoledge will help out in HP7!!! Its Hermione!!! In her second year she got 112% on her Charms test!! She's,like,the smartest witch of her year,at hogwarts even!!!






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Her knoledge will help.

Yeah , I think that maybe if Hermione dosnt die in book 7, somthing will happen to her, because shes too smart for her own good, and has "mixed blood" not a good combo , I HOPE RON TELLS HIS FEELINGS FOR HER BEFORE IF SOMTHIGN HAPPENS TO HER THOUGH

oh yeah if something were to happen to hermione then i think her and ron would get together first

if hermione were to get injured/die then i think it would happen at the end of the book, maybe that would push harry over the edge so he can kill voldemort

I hope she does find out soemthing before it happens. it seems to me she will be the brains behind the whole new book. She will find the horcruxes. she will help destroy them. But harry will get the credit.

i dont think anything will happen to her. yes she has had very good luck. but i think that there will still be luck.

This is a really good idea! And I disagree with a lot of you; I do NOT believe that Hermione will die. It just is not going to happen; she is too important. But yes, I do think that her knowledge of arithmency will be key. She will probaly be the one to decrypt messages in the future during their quest for the horcruxes.

And here's another idea. What about Ancient Runes?

Hermione is the only one who takes this subject too. And in my opinion, I think it could be even more useful. Her knowledge might become incredibly important when they are looking for a horcrux. I'm thinking egypt? But who knows? I do strongly agree with you though, Hermione's wit and intellegence, along with the extra knowledge she has gained through excess studes, (ancient runes and arithmancy) will be vital to Harry's success.


p.s. you can never be too smart for your own good, and Hermione does not deserve to die. She isn't going to die. And yes, she will be important and the brains of the next book.

lol this is a funny subject...in a way its a little obviouse. hermione's knowledge will help harry all the way, she is 99.9% the person who knows the answer. he will use her knowledge in book 7 for sure.

Her knowledge will be important somehow. JKR wouldn't have made her super brainy if she wasn't going to use it.

Like Hermione's knowledge of time turners in PoA saved Harry from stealing buckbeak at the wrong time, running out in front of people, etc.

If Hermione was say, a Quidditch person, then insted of using Herione's knowledge in the time turner sequence, then they'd use Hermione's flying skills to rescue sirius/buckbeak.

Hermione's knowledge is important and there for a reason, and i think we'll find out exactly what that reason is in book number seven.

Can't wait!

P.S Sorry if i've confused anyone, i didn't understand myself at first!

P.P.S i agree with Brunettefever, i don't think Hermione will die. I just see some characters dieing and some i don't. I just think Hermione's too important. She'll probably get injured, but she won't die.

For those of you questioning the validity of this topic - I'm guessing that you're not really understanding the question. Do you seriously think that the mods would have allowed this to stay open if all that was required was a one-liner, boring, shallow response like "Of course Hermione's knowledge will be useful!" :rolleyes" Yeah, I think we all kind of figured that out, Einstein

The question was rather intelligent, so it would be nice if the responses could be too. Try reading the question properly before responding. Might just have ourselves a decent discussion then.

Thanks, BTW, Moon - a decent answer. Pity not everyone could follow your lead.

I think that the main way that Hermione's knowledge will help the trio is through her memory. She has a fantastic memory, and I'm guessing that they will be doing a lot more travelling in book seven, so they will be unable to make use of the Hogwarts library as they have done in all the other books...
Hermione can often quote large sections of books, or things she has heard people say, so I reckon she's got an awful lot of information stored in her head...

Hermione sure does have a good memory... I don't think I would've been able to memorize Umbridge's speech the way she did!
I don't think Hermione will die. It is impossible for her not to get injured, though. I think everyone will be at least a bit injured. After all, this is war we're talking about! But I can't picture Hermione dying. People wrote in the first posts that Hermione has to run out of luck because she has been through less than Harry and Ron. Well, she's definately been through less than Harry, but who hasn't? I made lists of what Ron has been through compared to Hermione.

Ron
Book 1: got knocked out by a giant chess set (nearly got strangled by the Devil's Snare, but that was because of his own stupidity).
Book 2: nearly got eaten by Acromantulas
Book 3: got attacked by Padfoot
Book 4: ---
Book 5: got attacked by brains
Book 6: got poisoned

Hermione
Book 1: nearly killed by troll
Book 2: got petrified
Book 3: nearly killed by werewolf
Book 4: does Rita Skeeter's wrath count?!!
Book 5: got cursed by DE
Book 6: ---

So Hermione is pretty much on equal ground with Ron. Both of them were pretty much safe for one book each. I don't think JKR's been letting Hermione get off all that lucky.

I agree Hermoine will provide impotant knowledge in the search for the Horcruxes, but what I'd like to see is that on that search, she will trip into something that will put her life in jeopardy and Ron, (not Harry) will figure out what to do to save her. (I know--I like happy endings).

I honestly agree with what you have to say about Hermione's role in the final battle. Her knowledge is so important, and Harry and Ron probably would have failed school by now without her.

I really hope something bad doesn't happen to her, but I think that if it is what JKR has to do, its what she has to do.

Hermione is my favorite character in the series and I hope she gets as much action as Harry does, and yes I do believe that her intelligence, and bravery will be most useful of finding the Horcruxes! I believe that she has done more than Ron in the past, and will probably be of more use than Ron in the last book. I hated in book 5 where Harry would have reucurring thoughts of him doing loads more stuff then Ron, and Hermione put together, because without them Harry would have been dead in the first challenge in finding the stone (chess game!)

Well Kymar... I like what you have come up with here. To be honest I had never really thought about all of the extra courses that Hermione took as being an assest any more than her just being a complete genious before know. And well done with the extra research. So arithmancy is the study of number to see who will win a battle? Good information to know. Interesting how she is into that sort of divination but not divination-divination. I also agree whith whomever said that she has tkan the same courses ad Tom Riddle did at Hogwarts and that could be extremely helpful. LV prides himself on his knowledge. In fact, he believe that there is none smarter. Oh...my mind is running about a million miles per hour. That is why there has been such a big deal made out of her intellegence. Why in just about ever book we get references to her genious, and how she is at the top of her class, and so on. While she may not have the practice of LV, she does have the intellegnce. And when, throughout all of the books was she unable to successfully perform a spell on the first attempt? A muggle born. This means so much to the story! Think about her on the train. Ron, who came from a pure-blood wizzard family, attempting to perform magic (poorly), she walks in and says that she has only attempted a few simple spells herself, but they have ALL worked for her. Of course her intellegence is going to be huge. I'm not saying that to patronizing in any way either. The clues, they are everywhere. So Hermione will match the intellegece. I love it.

I've been convinced that Hermoine's study of ancient Runes has somehow got to matter to the story. There is too much information embedded in Rune lore that is relevant to this story for that not to be the case.

JKR's website has a book in the library called Ancient Runes Made Easy (it helps you solve a puzzle on the site.).The rune system she lays out is a set of animal pictograms for the numbers zero to nine. The animal depicted for the number zero is the animal from which invisibility cloaks are made. The acromantula is the symbol for the number eight, if I remember right. Well, acromantulas and demiguises (cloak) have mattered to the story, as has the "stag" which is another of the runes.
There are images and concepts in non-JKR rune systems that seem to link to characters and events in the books, which I could go into a little more if anyone is interested. But it's hard to say if Hermoine is studying Runes like any that have existed or ones that are made up by JKR.

Egypt has been introduced a couple of times now in the story, and it does seem to suggest itself as a place to look. Bill is there, usually, and it seems like there is some dark magic there that LV might have studied in his travels. But JKR has also said she wants to keep this british/european as much as possible--so maybe there will be some Egyptian symbols LV will have used to encrypt something.

Having said all that, let's not forget that JKR has said that when something needs to be conveyed to the reader--a bit of knowledge/info--it comes from Hermoine or DD. DD is now gone, so we and Harry have only Hermoine as the official genius of reference. That suggests that she will be doing a lot of simple explaining in this book, or at least significant moments of it, taking up the slack of the absence of DD.

I have to say this is a very interesting topic. Hermione has always been the book freak, but it has always had an influence in all the story lines. JKR couldn't have teased us for so long just to create a genius who doesn't help out at the last. I too believe that with HG's smart's - the equal of LV? close? and some help from the order is the only way harry can decipher the clues needed to find, or interpret the horcrux's. HG is going to be huge, I just hope the pure blood crowd doesn't cut her down at the last. And I don't really care if she ends up with Ron, Victor, or Colin Creevey - not really interested in the romantic end of it.

Hermione has always gotten the trio out of rough spots and she has been an imense help in dangerous situations. Some of her most memorable brain-work, in my opinion, is:

•She was the one who ultimately read and found out about the philiosopher's stone. Without her knowledge of that, Voldy could be immortal.
•She had the idea about the polyjuice potion, even if hers didn't turn out all that wonderfully.
•She was the one that the basilisk could be heard throughout the pipes.
•She was the one who chose to take all of the spares in PoA and therefore needed a timeturner which helped them save the lives of Sirius and Buckbeak.
•By doing her little "werewolf" call, she saved their lives from Lupin.

And sorry but that's where I drew a blank. I know that she did a lot more but at the moment, I just can't draw it from thin air.

How will her knowledge come into play for DH? Maybe she could have a very logical idea about the place of a horcrux or something. Or maybe she could help Harry learn some spells or whatever to aid him in his final duel with Voldy.

wow just had a strange idea, what if hermione, while reading comes across something very usefull but then is killed by a DE. How crazy would it be if she doomed herself to eternity as a ghost just to get Harry the info he needs . What a great friend

That would be extraordinary. But I think if JK kills off Hermione then she will be gone for good. However I do not believe that Hermione will be going anywhere. As those have said previously, she is too valuable, and with Dumbledore gone, how will Harry getthe information he needs. I do think there will be maybe another --unrare-- near death experience for her. Perhaps Harry and Ron will have to nurse her back to health or something. But there will be no dying for her.

i think hermione is going to be killed off because she knows just about everything there is to know. shes a great source of information to harry and voldermort most likely knnows this so he is probably going to want to get rid of her and then with her out of the way he will have a better chance at killing harry.. i hope she doesnt die though, shes one of the favorite characters.

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Hermione’s of course will be reading textbooks off in her mind the entire book helping Harry along the way but that’s a given she does that all the time. in book 7 she’ll just get a better chance to show just how knowledgeable she is.

I think more important than arithmancy is Hermione’s knowledge of ancient runes. I read somewhere that there were ancient runes around Dumbledore’s pensieve. I don’t remember that but if its true then I’m sure Hermione will end up getting a good look at those.

If they do travel to Egypt I doubt it will be for ancient runes. I did some research on ancient runes and they are all from European cultures. The Friesians, Angles, Saxons, and Norsemen. It is said that People used runes for writing messages, inscriptions and epitaphs; as amulets and charms; as an oracle for use in divination; and for rituals, magic and spells. Who knows what Hermione will end up using her ancient rune knowledge for but I’m sure if ancient runes teaches you all that her role will be very important. (the ancient runes website- Ancient Rune Information)

More important than the role of Hermione’s knowledge in the 7th book will be her bravery and courage. So many people have wondered why she was sorted into Gryffindor and though we have seen her being brave many times she is usually brave because she knows something about the situation that she learned from a book. Therefore she knows exactly how to get out of it. In book 7 I think Hermione will do something that will show us exactly why she’s in Gryffindor and her courage is far greater than her knowledge. Meaning whatever she does is going to be amazing.

I've just been reading the 5th book again and it seems that Luna also knows something about ancient runes. she is reading them upside-down in the quibbler. even though the quibbler's message was just silly she still had to read the runes. Could Luna and Hermione work together to help harry with the runes. maybe hermione will be trying to read some runes but she cant make them out so Luna suggests reading them upside-down and then BAM!! the knowledge of rune reading prevails. just an example.

i think that hermione will continue being friends w/ ron and harry, and maybe a little bit more than friends with one of them (ron). and that her knowledge may prove useful, but she dosen't know very much about harry's past besides the fact that you-know-who killed his parents. she dosent know very much about horocruxes either, even though she was a know it all in school she may not be able to apply very much of that knowledge to her experiences.what i mean by that is she dosen't know very much about what they are going to do or where they are going. on a different hermione note i wonder what her parents think about her coming to age. we havent heard to much about the grangers have we?beside the fact that they are muggles and that they are dentists.

actually _bellatrix_ i dont see how you can find hermione as unimportant when it comes to harry and voldemort. her and ron know everything there is to know about the situation, the only thing i dont think they know about is the horcruxes but thats only because Harry hasnt had a chance to tell them about it with DDs death and the funeral. i think that Hermione's book smarts will be very useful in harry's search for the horcrux and i'm harry will need her considering that she is his conscience

Actually Harry does tell Ron and Hermione about the horcruxes, the morning after he wheedles the memory out of Sluggy, so they are up to speed on that detail.

I don't see Hermione reaching an unfortunate end for one reason - I've heard that Jo said that of all the characters, the one who reminds her of herself the most is Hermione, when Jo was a teen. In that regard, it would be kinda creepy if Jo killed her off.

I've thought for some time that Hermione's interest in obscure topics like Arithmancy and Ancient Runes would come in handy at some point, and if I'm right, we're just about there!

I think that Hermione will be a great help. While she might be able to do more research then actual physical involvment, like getting the horocurxes (sp?), but I believe that her ability to read books quickly and take in all the information and remember it for, like, ever, should be a great help to Harry and Ron, and anyone else who might end up taking a practical front in finding the horocruxes (sp?) and defeating Voldemort.I also don't see Hermione dying or meeting an "unfortunate" end because I can see her being very important to the Wizarding World, so I think she'll live.

I think that JKR might do a repeat of what happened in CoS. Hermione found extremely valuable information, information that led Harry and Ron to save Ginny. However, she got attacked before she could tell anyone the info. I think that in DH, she will find huge information, that may lead Harry to Horcrux, but something will happen to her first. Harry and Ron will be able to get the info, but not in time to ssave hermione :'(

I've always thought that hermiones smarts would pay off in the end.she has the abillity to take in info,as nevfx said.But she is muggle-born,and the DE may target her,so she might not be able to share her knowledge with Harry and Ron.But i dont think she will die,but the fact that she is one of Harrys best friends and she is muggle born,may put her in danger.

This may be completely irrelevant, but the bowl containing the pensieve was mentioned as having ancient symbols- runes if you will- etched along it's side. Hermione studies Ancient Runes. Perhaps Dumbledore left a message?

[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]*cocks head quizzically* Well, to start off...I don't think that Hermione is gonna die, that just seems illogical. It's an interesting fact that she studied the same subjects that Voldermort did in school, but personally, I don't think that will help them much in the search for Horcruxes. I think that Harry will get a clue about the next Horcrux, tell Ron and Hermione, and for the SECOND time in her life, books or bookSMARTS won't be able to help Hermione; and she'll stand there, feeling useless. (The first time was in...another book. I think it was HBP, but I can't remember! I only remember reading somehting about books not being able to help Hermione. *Scowl* I thought I knew the books better than this) ANYWAY, She will most CERTAINLY be able to help Harry with SOMETHING, but I feel that at least once in this next book she won't have an answer to something VERY important...

P.S. I don't think that the runes on the pensive could be ANYTHING related to something like that. No offense, it was a good idea, and it actually fancied my imagination for a while...but after I got to thinking about it I realized that the runes were there before, and Dumbledore...well, he isn't the type of person to send messages through runes. He would probably have a back up plan, but I think that the runes on the pensive are there FOR the PENSIVE, something to do about the magical quality or somehting. *Shrug* for all I know they could be decoration.

*cocks head quizzically* Well, to start off...I don't think that Hermione is gonna die, that just seems illogical. It's an interesting fact that she studied the same subjects that Voldermort did in school, but personally, I don't think that will help them much in the search for Horcruxes. I think that Harry will get a clue about the next Horcrux, tell Ron and Hermione, and for the SECOND time in her life, books or bookSMARTS won't be able to help Hermione; and she'll stand there, feeling useless. (The first time was in...another book. I think it was HBP, but I can't remember! I only remember reading somehting about books not being able to help Hermione. *Scowl* I thought I knew the books better than this) ANYWAY, She will most CERTAINLY be able to help Harry with SOMETHING, but I feel that at least once in this next book she won't have an answer to something VERY important...

P.S. I don't think that the runes on the pensive could be ANYTHING related to something like that. No offense, it was a good idea, and it actually fancied my imagination for a while...but after I got to thinking about it I realized that the runes were there before, and Dumbledore...well, he isn't the type of person to send messages through runes. He would probably have a back up plan, but I think that the runes on the pensive are there FOR the PENSIVE, something to do about the magical quality or somehting. *Shrug* for all I know they could be decoration.[/font]

Hermiones' smarts have to come into play here, because they will need some knowledge and she has it. Also, if they need to know something Hermione has no problem spending days in the library trying to figure it out.

lol, i like reading your replies, all of you. [:

I think Hermione is going to be pretty important in DH. She knows spells that neither Harry nor Ron know. This may come in use when they find a horcrux and have to get it out of its protective spells LV put on it. Also, her love of research in the library. They are probably going to have to do research on LV and the founders to try to get a better idea of the possible horcruxes and where they might be. These are Hermione's strong area and will most likely be very useful.

Hermione WILL play an important role in DH. She DOES know spells that the others don't. But I just have this eerie feeling that there will be something in that book that Hermione can't answer. It may not be something big. But it's something, and that's gonna bug her more than it would Harry and Ron...because she knows she's better than that...her whole reputation leads up to it!