can ANYONE tell me why dubledore tells harry he "can't win"? who is he referring to? voldemort or snape's lessons? if he was refering to voldemort that would messup the whole prophecy(because the prohecy states that harry is his equal, and he has a chance of deafeating him)

help me, i'm so confused!!

Well, I have only just seen the trailer, but my favourite bit is Dumbledore grabbing Fawke's tale and escaping his office in a blaze of fire - Looks mint.

Did anybody notice Bellatrix casting her spell without a wand?

One thing that greatly disturbs me though, is Sirius apparently getting hit with a spell while leaping in front of Harry- Don't tell me they have dropped the veil!

As with GOF (in particular), I have resigned myself to the movie having significant and unexplainable differences to the books, so the trailer looks good.

when i saw the trailer this is exactly what i thought, i hope they havent changed the way that sirius dies !!! that would be really annoying

i saw both the american and england trailer and they both look amazing i cant wait

but in one part in the department of mysteries their was a whirlpool of water surrouding voldemort.. what is that all about

if i got that wrong then let me no but there were a few things i dindt remeber being in teh book

how wierd :S

The part you are refering to is the part where DD traps the Dark Lord with the water from the fountain right before he disappears and posses Harry. Trust me that is in the book and I am not surprised that it is in the movie it is a seriously good piece of magic on DD's part. I really really hope Sirius doesn't jump in front of a spell but i highly doubt they would change him falling into the veil. With Sirius jumping in front of a spell meant for Harry than that makes it a bit more personal for Harry and compoundes his guilt even more than in the books. What I really want to see is the color of the spell that Sirius is hit with because JKR deliberitly does not tell us the color of the spell. But I bet that we are going to see Sirius's body fly back into the veil and not see the spell at all just to keep up the mystery till the book comes out a week later. Wow I got off topic

oh yer i remeber the water scene now lol thanks but i think im going to have to re read teh book before the film comes out lol

didnt JKR say that sirius was hit with a stunning spell that caused him to fly back into the veil ????

i really need to read it again lol

it just kind of bothers me because dumbledore isnt supposed to look at harry, or talk to him that much, AND that whole voldemort at kings cross thing was really bizarre and sorta stupid, he looked like he was from the matrix(srry if i offended anyone)

otherwise it looks like a great movie!!

So probably my favorite part in the american trailer is the part where you here hermione ask harry to teach them. i really like the way that they put it together after she says those words. I also like the way that you see Harry starting to take charge for some reason that was the coolest part for me! what did you guys think of that?

I completely agree with you ladybear1515, I didn't get what the heck was going on when I saw voldemort...who knows???

I absolutely love the new trailer. I watch it everyday. I think I was most happy about the Weasley twins escape from Howgarts. I do hope that they get a good bit of screen time seeing as they really aren't involved in HBP too much.

I think the spell that hit Sirius was red.

I am also wondering why Dumbledore tells Harry not to fight him, he will lose. Who is him? Voldemort? Well that makes no sense because of the prophecy. Anyways, the trailer is jam packed with action and I love it.

thank you nevillesgirl for bringing that back up again about what dumbledore say to harry. that would make me so mad if DD was talking about voldyy

I watched the second trailer 6 times. It seems it will be a great movie. I do hope the film is as dark and scary as the book is. I get really suspicious when I see a lot of special effects because I'm afraid we get so excited by the visual effects that we forget how dark the Order of the PHoenix book is.
Will they show Neville moving his legs inwillingly as it happens in the book? He also breaks his nose. Will that appear too?
And I insist in another point that I've already mentioned somewhere: why did they cut out Dobby? What about the other house elf? The one that had problems with alcoholic drinks?
Although I'm kinda careful in my expectations regarding the movie, I think we'll enjoy watching it!
By the way, anyone that may think that Imelda Staunton would not fit in the role of Umbridge, maybe now can be sure that she IS Umbridge in every aspect.
See ya.

Well...for starters, he is refferring to Voldemort. Don't ask me how i know that, i just have this sense of whats going to happen and why. Anyway, the reason why Dumbledore would inform Harry of this is in relation to the moral or the given plot of the story; just because Harry is angry at that point, he MUST learn to control that anger so that he doesn't get carried away and make the mistake of fighting Lord Voldemort when really he isn't atall ready. The whole idea of the prophesy, i know, is for Harry to be able to defeat Voldemort...but...there are limitations to these sort of things. Meaning that harry is simply not prepared to fight Voldemort and this is demonstrated in the sixth book because this is when Dumbledore finally decides to prepare him for a fight he must soon be ready for.

Overall, what Dumbledore meant by saying "he cannot win!" is that Harry cannot fight a man whom can easily dominate over him, and someone who he does not yet know HOW to defeat properly. This is why Dumbledore delayed Harry's confrontation; because he wanted to be sure that when Harry confronts Voldemort it will be done properly so that harry will not have sacrificed his life for nothing.

I really am surprised at the majority of you all who are commenting on the scene where Voldermort is at King's Cross Station.

Comments like " What is he doing there?" and "Shouldn't he be hiding?"-- Anybody with a grain of salt for a brain should be able to tell that this is a hallucination of Harry's.

Then there are some ppl commenting like "Why would Harry be having hallucinations about Voldermort?"--Are you serious?!! Why wouldn't I be hallucinating about the psychotic wizard murderer whose soul purpose is to find and kill me? [spoiler]ARE U SERIOUS?!!! WHY WOULDN'T I BE HALLUCINATING ABOUT THE PSYCHOTIC WIZARD MURDERER WHOSE SOUL PURPOSE FOR LIVING IS TO FIND AND KILL ME?[/spoiler] What are you people[spoiler]u ppl[/spoiler] made of? Ice? You mean to tell me you wouldn't be a little afraid if not completely delusional?

Then there are[spoiler]ppl[/spoiler]people commenting about the scene being canon. I mean come on! It's a movie! No it didn't happen in the book (DUH) but we have to see that Harry's on edge now cause like I said, a murderer is after him, a murderer that no one has been able to capture for ages, a murderer that nobody believes has been brought back to life. There's only 2 1/2 hrs in the movie, you need to understand that plot line from the start to kick things off right.

Honestly, I thought that part of the trailer was by far the simplest to understand, I mean it literally screams "Harry is Horrified".

Actually, until the movie comes out and we see the Voldemort at King's Cross scene in context, all we can do is speculate and voice our wonder with each other. I really don't think that just because most of us question that part of the trailer means that we have only half a grain of salt for a brain

I think saying Harry is hallucinating is just one viewpoint. I personally wouldn't say hallucination. I think the word is more along the lines of mindreading or something like that. I mean, isn't Harry connected to Voldemorts mind in a real sense? He's not making it up. I don't think Harry seeing Voldemort at the train station can be considered a hallucination because at that moment Harry isn't aware that he is seeing into Voldemorts mind.

Now, cool if Harry is just freaking out about Voldemort being back and no one believing him-therefore he is like "seeing" him places and no one else is, oh wait, that's a hallucination...ok never mind, I'm just confusing myself.

Anyways, can anyone explain the part where voldemort is like breathing fire? That is in the second trailer right? So many trailers...all good

The trailer looks so amazing. Like all of you, I hope it's as good as it seems to be. But, knowing all the Harry Potter movies, I think it will be.

I've actually been wondering about that too. It looks in the background the fight either between DD and Voldy or when Harry and Voldy briefly fight I don't know but behind Voldy it looks like the MoM in darkness. I don't know but just to let you all know there's a new trailer out connected with Spider-Man, but i don't know if other theaters are doing what the theater i went to did. -.- Only SELECTED showings at my theater had the HP preview. 2 out of 3 showings had the HP preview the showing i went to didn't have it. I heard ppl talking about the preview as they were coming out. THAT sucks! I went and watched the previews lol and it looks AWSOME!!!! It shows more of the fight between DD and Voldy and more footage of the DA meetings! Harry gives this speech too to the DA members hehe. go see it guys, good luck at seeing it too!!!

I think, just my opinion, that that scene at King's Cross is a hallucination, like what you guys have been saying. I won't go into it though because I know I'll just be met with, 'you don't know for sure' or 'just wait till the movie comes out'

As for the part about Dumbledore telling Harry he can't beat person X, he is refering to Nigel. After the part where he has levitated Nigel and allowed him to fall down, Nigel soon turns against him and rises to power like none other (even great faster and more evil than Voldemort). They're not entirely sure if they can fit the actual Half Blood Prince story into the next movie because of this tantilizing plot development.

DD is telling Harry he cannot win because he already knows about the Horcruxes or atleast has an idea that Voldemort has done something like make Horcruxes in order to make himself immortal.

He knows that if Harry were to face him now he couldn't win because he needs to destroy Voldemorts Horcruxes before he can destroy Voldemort.

EXACTLY!!! That is sort of where i was leading up to; like Harry cannot know how to defeat Lord Voldemort because he does not yet know about the severn Horcruxes. Therefore this is why Dumbledore - in their sixth year - decides to tell harry of this before anything bad happens. I bet Dumbledore even sensed that Voldemort might be up to something to try and kill him so just to make sure Harry was left with something to work on if he so happened to die sometime soon, he probably mentioned the horcruxes because of this.

Anyway back tot the subject. I loved the new trailers and i cannot wait to see the film...and read the book for that matter.
I am very confused at this moment in time because i thought - that because the articles say so - that there would be a fourth trailer out on the 4th May. Well its gone past that and i cant find it anywhere. Even when i went to look on May the 4th there was no article presenting this information on any of the most reliable websites i know.

?????
.........does anyone know of any information relating to this?

Hey Monkey, try yahoo.com under the movies section. they have the trailer of OotP there that's on the Spider Man 3 movie. It's ALMOST like the international trailer but not quite. has harry giving a small speech to the DA and some scenes from the MoM/DoM and the DA meetings. Good luck finding it! I saw the trailer on SM3 already it's AWSOME!!!!

I'm afraid this isn't the one i'm talking about. But thanks for trying, i really appreciate it. But that one was out last month. I heard somewhere on one of the websites that there may be one out on the fourth of May.

Come to think of it i wonder if what they meant was going to come out on the 4th of May, wasn't the film trailer, but the videogame trailer instead. I bet this is what it was. Have any of you seen the videogame trailer, its really cool; i saw it sometime last week. Apparently it contains the same score as the movie so when it comes out in June people will be able to get an early hearing of the what the soundtrack will be like when we see the film.

there's another one?!?!? wait how many have their been?!?! I've seen I think 4 total us/uk together. o.O god i am behind with HP news -.-;; i hate work lol. your welcome, though i hate when i'm no help anyways, i've seen the game trailer and pics it looks REALLY good. i just hope it's not like the other games, i can't remember which one it was but it kind of had NOTHING to do with the story/movie. Something about magic beans lol!!! i can't remember which game it was. Guess i'll have to try it out eh? oh yea did anyone hear...UK gets to see OotP movie a day before us!!!! it comes out JULY 12, 2007!

there's another one?!?!? wait how many have their been?!?! I've seen I think 4 total us/uk together. o.O god i am behind with HP news -.-;; i hate work lol. your welcome, though i hate when i'm no help anyways, i've seen the game trailer and pics it looks REALLY good. i just hope it's not like the other games, i can't remember which one it was but it kind of had NOTHING to do with the story/movie. Something about magic beans lol!!! i can't remember which game it was. Guess i'll have to try it out eh? oh yea did anyone hear...UK gets to see OotP movie a day before us!!!! it comes out JULY 12, 2007!

YEAH! i found that out just last night. Though my friend mentioned that it wasn't much of a difference, i think its amazing that i don't have to wait that one extra day to see it. the good thing is that its my birthday on the 10th of July and the weekend after i'm supposed to be going on holiday with my dad, on the boat. I was dissappointed that i wouldn't be able to see thje film as soon as it came out - because i just hate when everyone around me talks about the film and gives comments about how they do or don't like it...its REALLY ennoying - because i start my holiday on the saturday, when it would have been the earliest time i could see it. But now it comes out on the thursday, so i can see it for the first time on the friday, when all the younger kids would be at school and the film wouldn't be ruined by 11 year olds who talk loudly and mess about. I am 15, and it really ennoys me when other kids dissrupt the film, and say like "oh this is really ****" or stuff like that. I mean why watch a film that you're not serious about?

Anyhoo, they may not have anymore trailers out for a while. I mean i thought there may be an extra one on the 4th of May but there wasn't. Well, i suppose we have had three allready. I hope thay bring in another behind the scenes; there's still more i want to know about the film.

By za way(i'm not foriegn, thats just how i say 'the' sometimes)... i just found a new short clip. Hope you like it.

See it HERE

Most of the scenes we've seen already, but i've noticed something in this clip which has never been shown yet on any of the trailers...harry and one point says, "we'll make them proud". Can any of you guys spot this?

I just saw a new TV spot showing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. I have noticed something though in this one. In one bit you hear someone say "now look at me". Is this Voldemort? No actually...well yes it is but if you get to look cosely you will see Harry with (what looks like) Voldemort's face instead of his own. I mean OMG! Does this sound awefully familiar to you? This was infact in the book, where harry has a dream where at the end he looks at himself in the mirror and he sees Voldemort looking back at him.
Now this looks to me like the film is going to be a huge success with the Potter fans (i.e. Me), not to menton i am dead impressed that they have managed to include almost all of the good bits in the film. How did they manage to fit it all in, i wonder?

It wouldn't surprise me actually if this bit is actually the bit - in the film - where Harry gets possed by Voldemort. However, it does look like more sense if it was the dream bit.

What do you guys think?
Harry potter and the Order of the Phoenix clip

I just saw the trailer. It was spectacular. he movie looks awesome and intense. I don't think I've ever been so excited to see a movie! I've been watching the trailer over and over again! July 13th is so close yet so far!

It's going to be one great time with the movie coming out then shortly afterward the book.

i saw the second trailer soo many times i mouth off what they are saying i cant wait until it comes out it will be sooo awesome.

I watch the trailer all the time on youtube but I went to see Pirates of the Caribbean on thursday and the trailer was on then, it looks absolutley amazing!! I can't wait until the film comes out it's going to be brilliant!

one thing i don't get though, which has probably already been discussed here; but why on earth does Harry see LV at kings cross?! they keep adding in stupid bits that aren't in the books which is annoying.

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4 a moment i thought that bit woz in the book. I could've sworn i read something which sounded very familiar in relation to the voldemort sighting of Harry, at King's Cross station. If not then 'oh well'...i don't really care if that bit in particular wasn't in the book because ACTUALLY it does kinda suit the film anyways. I can't wait to see that bit in the film because its gonna look sooo sudden and so freaky.
One of things i have been pondering over alot recently is the fact that, in hardly any of the new trailers, we haven't heard or seen anything which indicates the events throughout Snape's memory - i havn't even seen a picture of the younger Lily (Evans) Potter yet - i suppose they're keeping that part of the film quiet until fans see it for themselves.
I must say i'm glad we havn't seen glimpses of absolutely everything yet, because that means there are definitely more things to come - which are both surprising and exciting at the same time.

I really do think this adaptation of the books so far is gonna b the best they've done so far, and its all thanks to the new director...HAVE U HEARD! our new director 4 this one is coming back to film the next Harry Potter AND THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE. I'm really really excited - i feel the recent director has done an awesome job so far, and that he really deserves this chance to continue the legacy and make the next one as good as it could be. Not only that, but all three actors/actresses who play Ron, Harry and Hermione (Rupert, Dan and Emma) are coming back 4 the final two films...this is exciting!

I think that is their adaptation of Harry having Voldemort on his mind and hallucinating and thinking he sees Voldemort in places. It's not following with what Harry really experiences is the book but I think that's what it is.

If anything I think that it would probably look like Chamber of Secrets or Goblet of Fire, since it is a follow up uf Goblet of fire, the cinemogaphy look nothing like Prisoner of Azkaban, the beginning is a lot like chamber of secrets, and the music, which changes the feeling of he movies, is just like the second movie, and the cinemography is just like the 2nd and 4th one. The 5th is nothing like the 3rd.

I'm not saying that the fifth film is going to be exactly like the 3rd; they are very different from eachother because thr films have progressed sinse then. What i'm actually suggesting is that Mike Newell's interpretation of the 4th movie quite dissappointed me in a way. Although i have to say i enjoyed watching the film, it wasnt quite up to the expectations, though the book wasn't exactly my favourite anyway. What Mike Newell should have done was to extend the plot a bit more and make it interesting, because overall he has only managed to make it dark and sinister, in consistantly throughout the plot.

What i was saying was that the 3rd plot had far more scope dleivered to the story, unlike Goblet of Fire; at least JK Rowling jad twists all the way through andnot just at the end. And the jokes were too british - even though i'm from britain myself its just horrible to listen to humour which only lasts for a while (that is what i mean by poor british humour; there wasn't enough humour to extend the film). On the other hand, Film five is going to carry on from film three because the right balance of humour is definitely there and the director has extended the plot very well, compared to Mike Newell. Davis Yates is clearly devoted to the books and is really attempting to serve its material by including alot from what we have read from the story. There is far more british humour than there was in the fourth film; in the 4th film there was hardly any; if you put all the joks from film 4 together it will only last about 5 minutes. At least with this one there will be consistant jokes throughout the entire movie, such as Fred and George's comments about Umbridge and their tendency to apparate in front of Mrs Weasley, Tonks performing tricks in front of Ginny at the dinner table, the cracking comment from both Ron and Hermione on the bridge, their wand fight in the Room of Requirement, Nigel falling on the floor when cho lowers her wand in front of Harry, Ron raising his fist in agreement with Harry's speech ( )that was funny ), Umbrdge's laugh and her first speech with Dumbledore's expression, i would expect Mrs Figg's introduction at the beginning would be a good laugh (particularly the way she has a comedic style to her outbursts at harry), Luna Lovegood (now, she's got to be funny), Mad Eye Moody and his hilarious broom ( if you haven't already seen it or heard about its design), Kreacher (possibly - i havn't actually heard if he might make funny comments or cause us to laugh in any way), maybe Bellatrix Lestrange and her eccentric ways, and finally Snape's lesson where he is interviewed embarasingly by Umbridge and then wacks Ron on the head with a book.

Those are all things to wait for in the next film. And mybe - just maybe - there might be even more jokes and surprises along the way.

I hope that OotP isn't like PoA. I was utterly dissapointed with PoA. It is my favourite book and they just left so much information out of it, I don't want that to happen with OotP (even though I've heard they left out quidditch and Nevilles Parents)I was talking about Harry Potter with my friend the other day and I was talking about the Marauders and how James's past was revealed in PoA and stuff and he had no idea what I was going on about because he hasn't read the book, just watched the film.

They should get Chris Columbus back, The first two films were brilliant, yeah they cut things but unlike PoA and GoF they cut things that didn't really expand the plot, only a few minor things were cut. Where as S.P.E.W and well almost half the book was left out of GoF and the same for PoA. Though don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I hate the films or anything, I do love the films and for what they are they're great films....just when you think about how much better they could have been with all the extra information given in the books.

OotP does look good from the trailers and other things I've seen though. I'm a bit dissapointed about quidditch not being in the film, I was looking forward to 'Weasley is our King'.
But personally I don't see much similarity between PoA and OotP, from what I've seen DY has developed the plot line so much more than Alfonso Cuaron did in PoA. Plus also I think that as the actors have grown up they're acting style has also matured and this has had an effect on the films. So it would be hard to compare them at 16 - 18 in OotP to when they were 13 - 16 in PoA because they'll have also improved as actors too. Plus the main difference is the directors. No two directors have the same style, If all four of the directors that have done the HP series did their own version of just one of the films there would be dramatic differences in the end results. I don't think any of the films can be compared to eachother because of the difference in directing style.

It looks like OotP is going to be brilliant, but after being dissapointed in the last two films I'm not going to give DY any compliments until I've seen the film.
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Ok I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that for OOTP to turn out like PoA is almost exactly what I want. PoA is my favorite movie so far because it had a darkish overcast on it. It was also the beginning of seeing the characters starting to really grow up. There's just something unexplainable that has always made me love PoA so much. However I realize that's also the movie where a lot was left out... and I have a feeling a lot will be left out of OOTP as well. When you've got a book that big, you can't fit it all in a movie after all. But though the whole Marauder's bit was left out of PoA, they still made it understandable to those people who hadn't read the books and didn't know about them anyway. Call me crazy, but I think that gives those who've read the books the upperhand. We all know what they've missed on. Good feeling isn't it? Hope that answers your question!

Hi, i know now that this trailer is a bit old now, and some of you might think that there is no point in commenting anymore, but it would be nice if we could keep this forum going just for now. I would personally like to hear more ideas on the trailer and talk about with people certain aspects of the trailer we liked. To change the subject, lets not talk about the Voldemort thing anymore because it is in the movie and there is nothing we can do about it. Lets talk about what we can expect from the movie by just looking at the trailers. Do you think we could expect more jokes and good bits than what we have already seen or do you think Warner bros. have given us everything from the movie?

here here!...i mourn the loss of alfonso cuaron as directer anytime i see an HP flick, so a movie alike PoA would not only be welcome, but it would ensure a brilliant film. now, keep in mind i hated GoF with a passion, but since it seems as if david yates is taking the franchise back in the direction cuaron had it in at least somewhat, im pretty flippin psyched for July 11, 2007.

If OotP is like PoA, OotP will be garbage, Alfonso Cauron's style ruined the 3rd movie. Why didn't they stick with Columbus as the director? But if it's like GoF, it'll be great. GoF brought a sense of comedy but yet could keep the seriousness it was supposed to have. So hopefully we'll get some comic relief with OotP.