J.K Rowlings said that no matter what James had to die. Dumbledore said that james gave him the invisibility cloak before he died. Dumbledore doesn't need a cloak to become invisible. I think that maybe James did die to save his son he died in order for dumbledore to come back later to help harry. maybe james was dieing from a curse that voldamort did on him and Dumbldore decided he should make a horcrux. And james gave Dumbledore the cloak as a horcrux. That is why dumbledore gave it to harry. Where els would his horcrux be safer, but in voldamorts mortal enemas hands. And harry would guard it with his life because it belonged to his father. That is another reason why Dumbledore is so attached to harry. He killed his father and feels guilty.

Don't get mad people it is just a thought.

Wow! That is a very original line of thinking. Certainly not one I have seen before!

I doubt, however, that Dumbledore would have created a horcrux, as he seems to be quite disapproving of them, especially of the soul splitting part and of the required death which must precede the creation of such an object.

So, in shor, my answer would be no. I don't think Dumbledore could have done something like that...

Do you really think Dumbledore could do something like that????????????!
And how do you explain that in all HP books everybody sais that VOLDY killed J and L Potter?

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i would have to say that i don't think so. I mean first off theres Voldemort and the horrible killing off Lily and James. But how do we know if DD was there? or does he say that he was in the HBP? I havn't read it for like 2 months. But to take a persons father just for a Horcrux? Beacause DD is a great person. I don't think that he would kill som one for that. But I must give you credidt for such a good poll! I never thought about this.

Man, that is a really great theory.. and I actually considered it for a moment or two.. but then i realized how disapproving Dumbledore had been towards the topic of horcruxes when he talked about them with Harry, and then I also realized that in my opinion Dumbledore would never kill anyone. If you can remember, in OotP, in return to Voldemort's "Do you intend to kill me, Dumbledore?", Dumbledore said, "Oh, no, Tom... there are worse things a man can go through than death." (I know that quote is way off, but i just wanted to get the general effect) I just don't think Dumbledore would/could bring himself to kill someone, let alone split his own soul to make a horcrux.

This is certainly an original line of thought, the type that you normally come across in fanfictions.

I don't think it will happen because Dumbledore loathes Horcruxes and he'd spent the years since Lily and James' death researching them... I just don't think that it's likely.

I do not think that Dumbledore would have killed James

Even if this was the case he did not make a horcrux

The reason i am saying this is that Dumbledore gave Harry the task of finding out what a horcrux was from Slughorn.

Dumbledore would not have wasted time if he already knew what a horcrux was

Do you actually think that dumbledore didnt know what a horcrux was. dumbledore told harry he suspected voldamort made a horcrux because of what harry told him in the first book. That voldamort was sharing quirrels body.

Dumbledore just wanted to know if slughorn told voldamort. He wanted confermation on his threrie.

This is a very interesting idea but I doubt it is so. If needed, I think AD would kill a friend/ally, but only if they were already dying or under a strong Imperius curse.

As for AD creating a Horcrux, i don't think anyone but Voldemort has created one. Voldy suggests (in his visit to AD at Hogwarts) that he has preformed magic no one else ever has - i think he is speaking of Horcruxes. Also, i don't think AD would want to split his soul - remaining whole gives him power over Voldy, and AD is a believer in Love. Creating a Horcrux seems in opposition to love.

Interesting idea to ponder - we'll find out soon (i hope!).

I like the thought, I really do, but I must agree with everyone else and say no. And here is why:

We can't always assume that everyone has a Horcrux. Why? Because that just isn't right. Think about Dumbledore. Think about what he stands for. Do you think he could ever in a million years make a Horcrux? "Death is but the next great adventure." He certainly wouldn't kill James to make one. What the relationship was between James and Dumbledore, I do not know, but I think it was fairly strong. They were both Order members.

One thing I believe in, and this goes for both Snape and James alike, is that Dumbledore is not the type of person to sacrifice others in his wake. He has lived a long and good life, he is in no hurry to leave, but there is little holding him back. Plus, that is evil. Voldemort would do it, not Dumbledore .

Good thoughts, I like it .

Dumbledore didn't give Harry that task.

Harry's task wasn't to find out what a horcrux was. It was to find out what Slughorn had told the young Riddle.

Well my vote was no (explain why)

I voted this because if Dumbledore didnt kill him then maybe the prophecy would never come true, therefore Voldermort wouldnt kill harry or anyone in his family.

I also believe that Dumbledore wouldn't do that to harry no matter how much the wizarding world would depend on it.

No way.

DD is dead, get used to it. He's not coming back. AD offered to be secret keeper and he wouldn't kill the person he offered to help protect because he was afraid of death. Knowing how to create a horcrux and making one are two different things.

In HBP, both Harry's parents came out of LV's wand, so he killed them both.

I think that Dumbledore knew what horocruxes were, but he would not kill.
He hates how horocruxes are created. As far as the cloak being a horocrux.
That is silly.
The horocruxes we know about the diary, ring, Slytherin locket (Which we assume is destroyed). We can only assume what the other three are Nagani, the tea cup that was Helga Hufflepuffs. And something from Ravenclaw or Gryffindor. This means that either the sword or the sorting hat is the horocrux. I would give odds on the sword rather than the hat. the reason being that it would not be wise to make a horocrux out of something that can think for it’s self but Voldemort is not likely to make a mistake like that. But I think that it might be possible.

Um... no. I don't think Dumbledore could have done something like that. It's deep thinking though, so good job there. I just don't think Dumblefore could have killed James. He's also against making a horocrux, as others have pointed out.

Good theory though.

What the heck no?? Far from it. Why would Dumbledore ever kill James for Harry even if they knew about the prophecy, Dumbledore would never kill someone for that reason.

Hermione.G.Weasley that is a very well thought out theory just one problem though it's absolutely crazy, now while I agree Dumbledore might of made Horcrux so he could help Harry later, we are both wrong you might remember at the end of HBP in the headmasters office Dumbledore's portrait was hanging in the office and Dumbledore tolld Harry that all the portraits were of former deceased Headmasters/mistresses so if Dumbledore was still alive his portrait wouldn't be in the office

What!????

I've never thought of this theory, but I don't think it is possible either.
We know that it was Voldemort who casted the killing curse upon James. Besides, I would need a reason for this theory before deciding if this can be possible. Apart from this, I don't think Dumbledore could have killed James (or planned to do it) because it just doesn't fit. And what is more, we already konw the circumstances in whick Harry's parents died.

xD

No. That's just stupid. Also, Dumbledore is against Horcruxes, he doesn't believe death is the worst thing in the world, and he has stated MANY TIMES that he doesn't like Horcruxes, so he would never help anyone make one. He would also never kill anyone. You're grasping at straws dude.

dumbledore would never ever kill james. i don't see how it could be planned that dumbledore would kill james. voldemort had to have killed james because in the 4th book when the imprints of the people who voldemort killed came out of his wand in the grave yard, james came out along with lily, so voldemort would have had to kill him. besides, its not like dumbledore could have told voldemort where james and lily were hiding, since dumbledore wasn't their secret kepper.

Very no. If that makes sense. Why would Dumbledore kill James? Dumbledore's too good for that. Killing James is so Vold... I mean You-Know-Who. Why would Dumbledore need a horcrux? Dumbledore has outstanding moral fiber and would never do that.

That is like a really crazy idea , for Dumbledore to kill James. I mean , what would be the point of it ?! If Dumbledore created a horcrux for himself , he wouldn't be dead, I don't think that Dumbledore would sink to Voldies level .

Okay, now I never would say that a person is stupid. But, that question definitely is stupid! Of course not is my answer. Totally improbable, impossible and just down right not the case. Dumbledore would never kill a person unless it was to save someone's life and, as we have all seen, perhaps not even to save his own!

DD already knew what a horcrux was, he already been gathering information as to what items they might be and he had already found a horcux and destroyed it prior to Harry finding it out from Slughorn.

i found this very interesting, however i don't think that Dumbledore could EVER kill James ... EVER ... although its a good theory, and one that i had never thought about.

Plus you have to think about when Dumbledore explains everything to Harry about why Voldemort choose Harry over Neville (the prophecy could have meant either of them if you remember as they were both born in July) you would have to change it around and think 'why did Dumbledore choose Harry and not Neville?'

i think this makes sence haha ...

Nope. I have absolutely no thought passing through my head telling me that Dumbledore killed James - for any reason for that matter. I understand your reasoning but even if Jo did say James had I really doubt Dumbledore would be the source of death.

The creation of the horcrux in the invisibility cloak is an original idea. But again I don't think Dumbledore would have done anything like that. I agree with Omerus here: I think his reasoning is solid.

With that said, however, I do think it's a creative theory.

If DD had made a horcrux why would he kill one of the order wouldnt he have killed a DE?
And Harry can remember bits of what happed in PoA and he doesn't mention DD just Lv and in the fourth book his dad came out of LV's wand meaning that DD would have had to have killed him with it than retuned it to LV

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No.
I say that because in all the books it says, in all the books it was Voldemort. Another thing; How could Harry's scar sense what Voldemort was doing if it was Dumbledore? He couldn't. Plus why would Voldemort be out to get Harry if he didn't kill his parents...what would be so special about harry?

Mmmm... I had not thought of it that way. I think that your wording needs a little help though. You are saying that James knew that he was going to die, so he gave it(the cloak) to Dumbledore and Dumbledore made it a horcrux? Well, Voldemort is the one making the horcruxes here, and I think that the horcrux has to relate somehow to Voldemort or deep magic. The cloak is a tool that few have, it is like a wand, except does not have that deep a connection to magic. Sorry, that didn't come out right . Maybe if you could go further in with your explanation, it would be helpful

that basically contridicts everything we know about DD. HE would never kill another human being!!!!! Even if it was an elaborate plan to save the wizarding world from voldie. Never never never!!!! That is simply not part of his character.

It is a very interesting theory... I'll give you that, but it completely goes against jkr's writing style. It would go against the honor that she bases Dumbledore's character on, A horocrux is one of the darkest magically things there is and Dumbledore simply wouldn't use dark magic.

I’m sorry but I do think you’re off your rocker.

If James had died to protect Harry wouldn’t Harry have the same protection from that of his mother? Even if it is there he’d probably be like a human bubble and no one could touch him

I love this poll. I get a kick out of all the different theories people come up with that I haven't heard. But i think this one is quite a stretch. Dumbledore did not kill james. Voldemort did. It is really that simple.
(i voted are you off your rocker btw)

possible the dumest thing i ever heard is there a theroy behind this or is it just a random poll dumbledore has no reason to kill james

No way, James was in the Order of the Phoenix, also theres no way that Dumbledore could murder anyone. And if he did, he probably would have made a Horcrux soo that he coould stay alive for longer.

i dont think dumbledore sacrificed james in order to save harry, i doubt dumbledore could pull him self to kill someone to save their child and then force him to go and live with his horrible aunt and uncle sure tiallwoed harry to hide from the wizarding world but it seems cruel in its own way

are you mental? you-know-who is the one who killed, always has been and always will be!

are you mental? you-know-who is the one who killed, always has been and always will be!

very original but it sounds like youre grasping at straws. i think that theory is a bit too far fetched. it is intriguing though.

Ok but what the heck!! do you actually think Dumbledor is capable of that?How could he kill some one like James? And how exactaly would that help Harry? This is completely mental!! If he cared about Harry so mutch then why exactaly would he kill his dad?

Dumbledore is way too against dark magic to do something like creating a horcrux. in the books he has spoken about how just because in some cases DM is very useful you shouldn't do it. Dumbledore is no hippocrite.

No way! You are definitely off your rocker! It is completely against everything DD stands for. Besides, James came out of LV's wand in the graveyard and that would only happen if LV's wand was used to kill James. Also, DD is dead and isn't coming back according to JKR. If he had created a horcrux, he wouldn't be dead right now. Sorry!

Noooooooooooooooooo way. James was killed by Voldemort and no other. And again I agree with LittleRed7771.

thats a very incredibly unique idea andit somewhat makes sense though, the invisibilty colak can not be a horcrux because voldemort has to make the horcruxes right? not dumbledore if dumbledore made a horcrux it would be to save him and since dumbledore is a great wizard he doesnt need horcruxes. so the only way this could be plausable was if the invisibitly cloak was given to james by someone who could have recieved or taken it from voldemort right? otherwise great idea

Are you absolutely crazy? James came out of Voldemorts wand(Priori Incantatum).....Not Dumbeldore's, Voldemort's!!! You are crazy. Lily died in order to save Harry...

not kill, but might have had something to do with it.
Long shot but when he's drinking the potion at the cave, he says "Dont hurt them" and "its all my fault" ... or the Potion was strong enough for someone like DD to wrongly think he'd done somethin.

Uh ... no! What the heck!? Voldomort killed James! How would Dumbledore killing James save Harry? And how would that work with the story?

i don't think that dumbledore killed james to save harry. james gave dumbledore the cloak for a reason that jk explains in hpdh. im not going to say just in case you haven't read it yet. but no dumbledore didn't kill james and i don't believe the cloak is a horcux. just read hpdh and you will find out.

WAAAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA, IT IS THESE TYPES OF TOPICS THAT SEND ME INTO HOWLING LAUGHTER.

ARE U MAD? WHY would Dumbledore do that! LIKE SERIOUSLY!Dumbledore is on the good side like HELLO?Reminder:Voldy is on the bad side!BY Killing James dumbledore would never save Harry.