They have officially cut Dobby from Order of the Pheonix. This is going to lead to major problems. How are they supposed to discover the room of requirement? That is a huge part of the story line! And if they don't discover it how is Umbridge supposed to find it? Then how are they going to lead her to the centaurs? And then the whole Department of Mysteries thing can't happen!


Anyone else feel this way?


Fawkes

Oh yes, if a mod need shut this down go right ahead, I did search for this and couldn't find anything.

I know, that's totally rubbish! I guess they'll find out about the Room of Requirement some other way because we know they have the DA from the pictures that have been shown (when will there be some more?)! I'm guessing that they will probably see the room on the Marauder's Map (even though it's not supposed to be on there) or somebody else will tell them about it. How about if they did what Dumbledore did and just came across it while walking down that corridor. I can imagine that being in the film, Harry wlaking around muttering to himself, "We need somewhere to practice DADA, somewhere where Umbridge can't find us," then it just appeared in front of him! I don't think the film-makers really care how it happens, they aren't exactly always true to the books.

well dobby is awesome and i dont like that they cut him out but what about winky and kreacher. i think they should atleast have kreacher in the 5ht movie because well that would be stupid because dobby helps harry find "the secret room" but i guess he will be thinking about a place where no one can find him and then it will be there but i wish they would not havce cut dobby.

Yeah, they do still have Kreacher, unless they decide to cut him out when they edit the film. It's in the interview about Dobby being cut. But I think that having Kreacher there will draw more attention to the fact that Dobby is missing, don't you think? And people who haven't read the books will probably think that Kreacher is Dobby, as they are both house elves. As for Winky being in it, I don't think she will be because she wasn't in the 4th film. I doubt that any of Hermione's SPEW stuff will even be shown in this film either.

No I also agree, not having Dobby in the 5th film will create some major problems, but realistically they had to cut either Dobby or Kreacher, and in my opinion Kreacher has a greater inpact on the plot of the movie than Dobby does, but I cant say i'm a little disappointed.

Well, he is not that important
Look...you have to be in producers' mind
DA is gonna find the RoR in another way...don't worry...
Marietta Edgecombe is also cut but the whole discovery of DA might be happened by the Inquisitorial Squad that has already noticed their disappearance in RoR
So, no worries
The good thing is that Kreacher is in the film!
And...there would be a scene where Harry and Hermione clean Sirius' house and they try to learn if Kreacher has taken the SILVER LOCKET!
A clue for book seven maybe?Rowling hasn't told them to cut this so....

They are going to have Kreacher in the Ootp because I saw a picture of what he is going to look like. It stinks that they are cutting Dobby from the movie.

How can they have Kreacher and not Dobby?

I understand that Kreacher is more pivotal to the story in OOTP that what Dobby is.....but Dobby is the one who helps Harry find the Room of Requirement.....are the going to have Harry just discover the room by himself?

Realistically, for the films, Dobby doesn't matter. If you were a person who had never read the books at all, but had only seen the films, you wouldn't be wondering where Dobby was. In your happy mind, you'd think he was off somewhere being magical and free--that he was no longer a part of Harry's life. You wouldn't know he'd had a year of trying to find work and having no luck, of his having been hired to work at Hogwarts, or that Hermione had figured out who does the cooking, cleaning, and laundry at that school. You wouldn't know a thing about S.P.E.W., and you'd think it was Neville all along who told Harry about the gillyweed.

I suppose that in OotP, they will simply have another character introduce Harry to the RoR--perhaps Dumbledore, since he is on Harry's side and doesn't like Umbridge. It is a shame, because I think Dobby supplies some very lighthearted moments in a tense life for Harry, but they have to cut things...*sigh.* I shall miss the socks.

Well, I think Dobby is cool and all, and he added comedic relief to the storyline, but he isn't all that important when it comes to portraying the actual story through a movie. If you had a list of things that you had to cut from the movie in order to get it all into one film, im sure that you would rather Dobby be cut than something perhaps more important to the story?

Easy way out of finding the room of requirement without Dobby, is to not have the room in there at all.

Looking at the changes they have made in all the other movies, it would not be hard to expect them to loose the whole concept of the room and substitute it with an empty classroom or something equally lame that can found without the whole Mariette Edcombe plot.

Has anyone read anywhere that they are having the room of requirement?

I don't think that they have cut the room. But then I'm always the last person to find things out.

I think that people have to understand that in all book to movie adaptations there are some losses in plot/sub plot/context/characters. Unfortunately, Dobby was a non-essential piece of the OotP plot line.

The movies would be very tiring if they were carbon copies, word for word of the books. It would be very expensive for the film-makers to include every single piece and no child could sit through a four hour movie without his/her attention wandering, needing to use the loo, needing a drink, food, getting bored etc..

The movies need to look good from an outsiders perspective, is some Harry Potter newbie likely to care that Nearly Headless Nick (Just an example, as far as I know John Cleese hasn't been cast ) tells Harry about the Room of Requirement compared to Dobby. Or the Weasley twins (my best bet for telling Harry about the room)

We should just be happy that the movies always have been of high quality. There are some nameless book to movie adaptations that leave you feeling terrible.

My twenty cents (It stopped being two about three paragraphs ago...)

i think sirius will tell him, or he will see it in the penseive, but i miss the dobby character :( i think they'll probably be stuck in a bit of a problem in later books though...

Hmm... I don't think it will be Sirius who tells Harry about the RoR because as far as we know, the Marauders didn't even know about the room, that's why it isn't on the Marauder's Map. And Fred and George aren't supposed to know about it either. I don't think Dumbledore actually knows how to get into the room, just where it is. I don't suppose the film-makers don't really care if the film isn't actually accurate though. My guess is that Harry will just find it my himself, or he sees it on the map (even though it isn't supposed to be on there).

warner bros are complete idiots . your feelings are seconded thirded and passed.

Such a total Shame! I get that the book was HUGE and all, so some thing would have to be cut out, but Dobby? How could they? First quidditch, now this. I went on about it to some length in another post, but I seriosly hope that they don't ruin this movie.

that is almost as bad as cutting mrs. weasley from the forth one! i mean, now how is harry gonna find the room of requirement?!

aaaaaawwww i loved dobby he's so cute and funny!!!!
too bad though eh??!!


what do girlz and guys think??

what ?! how is harry going to find out about the room of requirmetn and umbridge ad stuff then ?! that sucks, i was sooo ****ed that they cut out dobby/winky from GOF.. : (

I heard not only are they cutting Dobby but Marietta also. It is just getting worse and worse. I dont know how they can do they whole finding they ROR, in Harry and Umbridges case. Grrr....why cant they just pay attention to the books?

Have they lost their mind?
this is not fair! i love dobby!
This is ridiculous!
How could they? rah!!!

How can they cut Dobby!?!? That is so wrong! They need him for this movie! I was fine when in the 4th movie they didn't have him fetch the gillyweed. I was like, "Alright, Neville just happened to have the book...yadayada...that makes sense. Still wish they had used Dobby though." Really since the fourth movie they have been going down production wise. They are getting farther from the book all the time. Grr.

THIS IS WHAT I HATE ABOUT THE HARRY POTTER MOVIES!!!!!!!!

they cut all minor/sub characters and plots because of "time constrictions", with the exception of the first 2 movies, which were by far the best. Dobby being cut symbolizes this, point blank. It bothers me, it will always bother me, and the movies will never be amazing until they realize the importance of the secondary plots and characters (like Spew, which didn't even occur in the last book). It is getting ridiculous. Dobby was 1. Likeable 2. Fun to watch and 3. (most importantly) important to the plot.

Let's cross our fingers nobody else gets cut!

aghhhh that is so entirely wrong. i would be perfectly happy watching a 10 hour movie as long as there was an intermission... they cut dobby out of the 4th movie as well.. he is the one supposed to give harry the gillyweed... this is undoubtedly horrid. and i really don't know how they are going to cut the room of requirement without angering most harry potter fans. also, how can they cut dobby now when he is a bigger role in HBP? do they expect Kreacher to be nice and spy on malfoy on his own? ugh.....

If they actually cut Dobby....which I still tend to doubt....then I am not surprised.

I figured that they would be cutting out all of house elf stuff, including SPEW.

I mean there is just too much in these books to possibly interweave all of the subplots into a movie-length piece.

Still Dobby and Kreacher are most important. It seems unfortunate if they had to be cut!

They will find some other way to locate the Room of Requirement...look for Moaning Myrtle to fill Dobby's gap, that's what I think.

I would say that, as someone suggested, it will probobly be Sirius that will suggest it to Harry. They didn't include Sirius in the last movie hardly at all (I'm still a bit miffed about that), so they need to build up the relationship between Harry and Sirius, and demonstrate Sirius's growing recklessness. This will do both very nicely. For the sake of book 5, it makes a lot of sence. I like it, actually. However, it causes problems for book 6. The Room of Requirement is not listed on the map, and this is important to the plot of book 6. It's not listed because the marauders didn't know about it. However, they can deal with this one of several ways. Two ways that come to mind immediately: 1) They don't include the part of the plot where Harry doesn't see Draco on the map. He just sees him in the Room of Requirement, and doesn't know why he's there. This would simplify the plot some, and eliminate the confusion of "why isn't the room of requirement on the map." Though it also cuts down on some of the good parts of the plot, like Crabbe and Goyle polyjuicing as girls. 2) They include it, and don't say anything about the map being related to Sirius. Remember, they didn't include the marauders' backplot in movie 3, so the relation between the Sirius and the map hasn't been established in the films. No one who hasn't read the books would notice or find it odd.

Honestly, I have no problem with Dobby not being in the films. He's my least favorite character. To me, he's the Jar Jar Binx of the Harry Potter books. I like Kreatcher a lot better, and I'm glad they are keeping him in.

-Fish

i am sort of upset, but not at all surprised by dobby being cut from the movie... i seriously doubt he will be in movie 6 either. Dobby is a good character that is well liked by most readers, but the only book that he had any real importance in was book 2, they've already cut s.p.e.w., and i dont think dobby has been mentioned since the second movie, they are just trying to shorten the movies, and yes it makes them less enjoyable for avid readers, but we will still go watch the movie, and then complain about it, but the movie goer who hasnt read the books but has seen all the movies will not notice that shortcuts and plot changes have been made...from a nonreaders point of view, dobby is largely unimportant

Okay I agree with you,saving harry.But who will warn Harry of Umbridge going to catch him?.Who is the better person to warn him? and don't suggest it could be Kreacher.That would be tooo stupid.They include Kreacher but they do not include Dobby!! Mod Edit .Dobby plays very important part in this book.In GoF they did cut him,but I didn't mind it because he is only important for the second task.He is supposed to steal Gillyweed from Snape.But they put..I don't know actually,but they did put someone to steal the Gillyweed.But this movie they really can't cut him off!!!


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Oh gosh. That new's has totally ruined my perception of the next movie. First theirs talk of cutting quidditch, and now dobby?
Whats the point in even basing them on the books anymore.
Soon we wont even have Ron and Hermione.
I seriously dont think they should have cut dobby.
Like its been said before, hows the trio meant to find the room of requirement?

Oh thats really bad a lot of problems will arise now.
I know they cut him from GOF but i didn't think they'd do it in OOTP.
Shame.
Will this mean he will be cut from HBP too.
I wonder.

Why does anyone have to warn them? they all get caught anyway? Someone could come in and warn them (I don't know who), but if Umbridge just captures them and takes them into the office, it wouldn't really hurt the story at all. It just takes out a couple extra minutes of extraneous plot. I don't really think it is even important. And Dobby's role in book 6 is even less, so I doubt that he will come back in that film either.

-fish

I agree with you Fish. Dobby will be missed, of course, but if they cut him out of the Goblet of Fire then he's not going to be in Order of the Phoenix or Half-Blood Prince, in my opinion. It has probably been mentioned, but perhaps a different character will introduce Harry to the Room of Requirement, or he'll come by it by mistake.

Dobby was an eyesore..& with that voice & manner, my view of Dobby is not much different from that of Lucius. Does Dobby pass the "Trans Atlantic Test"? If you were flying trans Atlantic...would you rather be sitting next to Dobby or an empty seat? G

I wouldn't necessarily call him an eye sore, but I don't think his lapse of pressence will have a significant impact on the flm. I mean, of course they needed him in CoS, but cutting him from GoF I believe is a clear sign that he wont be returning for the upcoming movies. I agree that someone else could warn the DA, I mean, they got by in GoF by having Neville give Harry the gillyweed and so they will get by again. He is a difficult character to construct and his role throughout the books isn't necessary. Of course we all love Dobby, but Jo's books continue to get longer so there are some aspects they will have to cut, and unfortunately Dobby has to be one of them. I personally don't see it as a very big deal, of course it would be nice to see him again, but sacrifices have to be made, that's the movie buisness.

Exactly. I mean, doing all the animation is pretty costly when you could just have an actor inform him. They have to spend enough on special effects. I want them to spend all the money they have on doing the important stuff really good, not a lot of things mediocre.

well with the subjects & chacters that were changed in the first 4 movies im not surprised. after all if they dont cut portionsout the movie woud be 3 days long just for viewing. granted the writers and producers might have tried to make each book in to several movies. but by the time they finished filming harrys 3rd year harry would look like dumbldoor. granted i am intrested in how there going to advance the plot line though. perhaps with dumbledoor taking resposibility when there caught maybe he'll show the room to them in direct oposistion to the ministry of magic.

Everybody loved Dobby and he will be missed, but he is not that important. They can find away around him by just having Harry thinking about the DA and coming across the room, creating a room perfect for the meetings. Something like that will happen.

-----SITH-----

I don't really mind Dobby's been cut, they have to do these things as the book is so long. I reckon Fred and George will tell Harry about the room. Or Sirius but it really could be anyone. They can't cut the room, they need it for the whole Malfoy stuff in HBP.

The Room of Requirement is needed for the DA meetings. I have heard that Winky will be in the movie. Perhaps they are using Winky to learn about the room. Although, I don't know why you would choose to use Winky instead of Dobby. She was cut from GoF. A random house elf would make far more sense.

Changing the storyline AGAIN! They cut out Winky in GOF and changed it to Barty Crouch Jr. who cast the Dark Mark at the Quidditch World Cup. Like I've said before maybe house-elfs are little too over budget to computerise? This is just a guess. I hated in GOF when they cut Winky and Dobby, this meant that SPEW wasnt included whatsoever!!

Grrrr!!..

i agree with abaforthslovegoat. They can't have winky in the movie because they didnt' have her in GoF so the trio won't know her in the movies. I was really looking foreward to dobby in the movie
i think it will be fred and george who tell them because they supposedly know all there is to know about hogwarts' secrets

I think that Dobby doesn't have a big enough role to be in the movie. But still it would be nice to have him there, also Winky too. However I did find that the elves parts in the book were a little boring. I'd cut them out if I were the director.

If i've already posted in here, all well, i'm posting my opinion again:

I can't believe they cut dobby. I mean, he does have an important part you know? When Umbridge finds about the DA? Who warns them?

Dobby.

Who tells them about the RoR?

Dobby.

Who paints a horrible painting of harry and gives it to him for christmas? (Even if it isn't that important)

Dobby.

Dobby has an important part. He has to be in it. I think i'm going to write a letter of complaint when i see this moive ...

[b]They cut Dobby??!!!
that is one of the stupidest things i have ever heard
why do they keep cutting him out of the movies?
I am really mad now.. [/b]

Yea I guess Dobby's role is too minor to put in. They could always have Harry discover the RoR by himself. They don't really NEED Dobby in the movie. But I do WANT dobby in the movie. Dobby is so...Dobby. Oh well at least they have Kreacher so we get to see one house elf. I think I just like hearing him go. "Dobby protect Harry Potter. Dobby help Harry Potter. Dobby thank Harry Potter." etc. I'm going to start referring to myself as the third person. Allie says bye to this post.

yeah, i was a bit sad when they cut dooby. i mean, i was kinda looking forward to the whole kitchen house elf scene and the S.P.E.W thing as well o well, I just hope that they don't cut kreacher out of OoTP.

That is totally stupid i cant believe it Dobby is the reason why they use the ROR because Dobby tells Harry where the Room is so how are they going to find it just by accident?

Im sorry but you cant cut DOBBY! he is the reason that Harry found the Chamber of Secrets! and he cant be cut in film 5 becouse he is important in it! that just so got me POed!

[font=Comic Sans Ms]Yea.. i totally agree i mean how is the D.A supposed to find the Room of Requirement which also is like a chain reaction to everything else that concerns Umbridge but then again the directors always haven't stayed true to the movies...but if they also take out kreacher and all other elves that would just be plain retarded because then that would get rid of hermoine's hat making and also the part about kreacher trickin harry into believing that sirius had left the house which is the main reason he goes to the ministry of magic to check it out..and once again this is retarded for taking odbby out of the movie completely

I just thought, from reading all your responses - especially one of them, that Dumbledore could infact mention the Room of Requirement because the other day i was in the middle of reading the fifth book and i came across a line from harry saying that during the Yule ball Dumbledore had actually talked about a room similar to the RoR, and harry had suggested to Ron and Hermione that it WAS the same one.
So,
Seeing as this little aspect from the fourth book was not included in the film, the film producers could make it up to the story in some way so that Dumbledore comes across Harry and wispers/mumbles to harry - giving him a clue as to a safe place for him to hold his DA meetings.
Plus i'm sure that Dumbledore already guess' that Harry and his friends are up to something involving the Defence against the Dark Arts because in the book, when harry and everyone gets caught from professor Umbridge, Dumbledore, infact sticks up for Harry as if he knew or had a sensed feeling of what he was up to with the DA.
So - the film makers could make Dumbledore's advice a part of the film because it could amazingly lead up to his sacrifice for harry when he says it was him who organised the meetings and not harry.

What do you guys think of this idea?
I hope it helps