Here you all are as I promised! a nice new shiny thread to post in! I am totally blanking on how to archive threads so until I can figure it out again (and I appologize in advance!) the old thread is still in here to refer back to! so enjoy your nice new thread!

Please remember this thread is for Ron and Hermione supporters only! there is a venom thread if you are against these views!

Edit: okay my mind blank went away so here is the link to the old thread which is now archived in the ships archive Ron and Hermione V4

I'm first. Yay!
Do you think we should start a new topic or leave where the old left off? I dunno, but I'll comment on what Muggs said. I don't think that Luna and Ginny have shared as much as Hermione and Ginny. But I think that Hermione did find a gem in Ron by aid of what Ginny has said about him.

Fifth thread already? Wow. We have covered a lot of things!
Going back to Ginny telling Luna, I am sure Luna is not the only one hearing a lot about Ron from Ginny. Ginny may have told her room-mates (we never knew who they are) or her friends in Gryffindor and different houses as well. Somehow she must have told some good stories, so people started chanting "Weasley is the King" for Ron. It's interesting to see that once Hermione and Harry was back from seeing Grawp (Book 5), Hermione was miserable to hear the song, thinking that people are insulting Ron.

Yeah "I wish they'd stop singing that stupid song." You know something I just thought of, when Hermione was clinging to Harry for dear life, praying that they're not about to die, Harry doesn't feel anything after, or isn't very worried about Hermione's state of being. I know this belongs on anti H/Hr, but I just thought about it now, and I might forget later.
But anyway, in the GoF movie in the Yule Ball, Hermione looks so upset when Ron acuses her of betrayal of Harry, he didn't even say that much and she looks so upset. But I think that's to make the point that no one can bring Hermione down like Ron can.

As sad as it is, my experiences have shown that the one we love can bring out the best and worst in us. Jealousy is a powerful motive. We really see Ron and Hermione at their worst in HBP. I hope book 7 shows them at their best.

Here's to hoping, but I believe it will, because there will be no reason for them to be acting crazy jealous because they will be together. I also think that their union will make them be better people because they'll both want to become the best people they can for each other.

I very much agree with that. I also think that they will be more comfortable around one another and not so awkward. As the end of HBP showed us that Ron was holding Hermione and neither of them pushed away or fought about it later. It felt right to them and safe. And I think book 7 will show less awkward moments and alot more nice moments between them. Of course we will still have them arguing at some points. What is a Ron and Hermione relationship without the arguing.

I agree with beekyk2001 that there will be much sweeter moments between the two in seven. Fingers crossed anyway...
If they are together nearer the start, probably somewhere near the middle will be some kind of row, but they'll sort it as usual! I'm just wondering if JK will give us a complete chapter seeing the two of them, not just for the relationship of course. But we've seen Snape and others so maybe... I'm just hoping here! Not expecting it to happen!

if they have any sort of row i believe that it will be at bill and fleurs wedding... I can strongly sense the presence of Krum...

I second that motion. Honestly, after six years of tormented anticipation, they had better bring out the best in each other. The jealousy moments of HBP became tiresome. For two people who so obviously like one another, they are rather cowardly not to act (and two Gryffindors no less).

I don't know if we need an entire chapter Miss Minerva. I was pleased by the way JK handled Harry/Ginny. It left a lot to the imagination, but provided enough scenes to paint a picture of the relationship. The 'tattoo' scene is one of my favorites.

It seems to me that if they really liked each other enough- enough even worth debating about they would have said something years ago. They obviously don't have the courage or conviction to say anything of what attractions they do have, so they obviously can't like eachother too much... otherwise JK has made them into total cowards. You can't like somebody even a little for 6 years and do nothing on it. ROFL. I WOULD like to hope they will kiss or something in the 7th book, a culmination of the previous 6 years... [edited]. Right? But no, maybe not. Krum...?

MOD EDIT: Watch your language.

I think the wedding will be character key. Because the rest of the book pretty much has to be plot on top of plot to tie up all the loose ends and so it wouldn't be a million pages long. But anyway, Ron and Hermione will have their moment at the wedding I think.
jarn and After the Burial, I think that there are good resons why the pair of them haven't acted on their feelings. But I think that we're done waiting, they're together now. JK said, nothing to worry about.

I think they will. Ever since the first book, there have been some signs (like when Hermione was petrified, ron kept saying "hermione, hermione!" when harry didn't say anything... And also that whole jaleousy of Viktor Krum in the fourth book...) there's definetly something there! i really hope they'll get together because i can TOTALLY see them together

Chloe

Welcome Chloe. The jealous thing with Krum, I believe, was Jo laying her cards on the table, but she just didn't come out and say it out right. ::anvil dropping:: Look out below! Anyway, I absoultely love the way the Yule Ball played out in the movie. I love that when Hermione gets up and leaves, and when she's by Krum, she's looking at Ron. And then the second she turns back to Krum, Ron turns his head toward Harry. If Hermione kept looking at Ron for only a little longer, Ron probally would of seen her doing so out of the corner of his eye. That's how their relationship very much was for a long time. Hit or miss, and most of the time it was miss.

Thanks Amyrat

And yes i agree with you about nthe yule ball scenes: they were really well done! and i also love when Hermione says (i don't know if it was in the book, but it was in the movie):

"When there's a ball, pack up the courage and ask me before someone else does! And not as a last resort!"

That may just be a line resulting from the plot, or it may be Hermione finally showing there's more than just friendship with Ron! *although Ron ruins it when he says "well that'd be completely off the point" or something like that... so yes, that's one of my favorite moments in the whole movie!

Actually it went down more like this:
'Well, if you don't like it, you know what the solution is, don't you?' yelled Hermione; her hair was coming down out of its elegant bun now, and her face was screwed up in anger.
'Oh yeah?' Ron yelled back. 'What's that?'
'Next time there's a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort!'
Ron mouthed soundlessly like a goldfish out of water as Hermione turned on her heel and stormed up the girls' staircase to bed. Ron turned to look at Harry.
'Well,' he spluttered, looking thunderstruck, 'well - that just proves - completely missed the point -'
Harry didn't say anything. He liked being back on speaking terms with Ron too much to speak his mind right now - but he somehow thought that Hermione had got the point much better than Ron had.
- Chapter 23, The Yule Ball
But it was pretty close, kudos to Steven. I wonder how the writter for OotP will do it.
I think you all would be interested in reading this http://heatherhobbit.livejournal.com/81984.html. It's an essay that defends Hermione in HBP to those who calim she acted out of character. Of course that statement with in it's self is silly because Hermione could never be out of character in a HP book, because Hermione was created by JK, not anyone of us.

Hermione behaves just how Hermione would have behaved. Book 6 is in retrospect a lesson for Hermione as she often tried to evoke jealousy from Ron. Now it turned out she couldn't handle jealousy that well. Both Ron and Hermione were never comfortable with romances. They could have been more courageous and got it right earlier, but in their nature, they couldn't. So we have to wait until Book 7 before we hear their love declaration.

Amyrat151 I completely agree with you about Hermione, It really frustrates me when people say she acted out of character, Jk knows her best. If you think about it Hermione has always been a very jealous person, she get's jealous over the slightest thing with Luna and Fleur so when Ron dates someone else, it's predictable she's going to go crazy! We have never seen Ron with anyone else before so we never knew how Hermione would react, and now we do. She wasn't out of character at all.

One of the things I love about the movie GoF is that it shows a more vunerble side of Hermione. People pre-HBP would ask JK about Ron dying and she asked why no one seemed to fear for Hermione's life. I think to many people saw her as untouchable. Ron and Harry's vunerbilites are more clear to the reader I think, that's why it's easier to picture one of them dying.
But yeah, Hermione was never in the position of Ron being taken away from her before HBP. But now we do.

I agree with that. I also loved GOF when we got to see Hermiones more vunerable side. Also I can't believe that some people said that Hermione was out of character! That was the way she acted in the GOF book and Emma tried her best to incoorperate that Hermione into the GOF movie. I think she did a great job that is the way Hermione would have acted in my oppinon. And I am sure you all agree with me on that.

Yes, of course. Other people have said that Emma was way to dramtic during the Yule Ball. But I disagree. I think that it's showing plain and simple that Hermione really wanted to go with Ron. But it made her so sad that it took till the end of the night for Ron to figure out that he should of asked her proporally and before Krum did.

I think it's nonsense to say that Hermione was out of role in the sixth book, because in the fourth she already showed that she can be very emotional, and of course it's impossible to say that a author wrote sth. "wrong", because just one version of a book can exist and that's the version of the author hisself.

It's funny to see how boys work. I mean first Ron didn't realized that he likes Hermione. Then he sees her with another boy and >bang!< suddenly he recognizes his feelings for Hermoine. Boys!

I can't believe people said she was "out of character". She's hermione, she can't be "out of character". And besides, even if she did change, that's because: PEOPLE CHANGE! they mature, they evolved, they grow up and that's what happened to her. So if she's a bit different, it's because she's changed, but that doesn't mean she's out of character. It's completely ludicrous!
However in the 6th book, it's true that she gets mad around Ron (not that it's a big change!) but they're mad at each other for like the whole year or something, except when lavender's not around. To me, that is an obvious sign that Hermione definetly has a thing for Ron!

"...And it might have been a good idea to mention how ugly you think I am too," Hermione added as an afterthought. "But I don't think you're ugly," said Harry, bemused. Hermione laughed. "Harry, you're worse than Ron.... Well, no, you're not," she sighed, as Ron himself came stumping into the Hall splattered with mud and looking grumpy. The rest of the post read:
This has been bugging me ever since I first read this certain part. What exactly did Hermione mean by "Harry, you're worse than Ron.... Well, no, you're not," she sighed...? I've racked my brains trying to think of something it could mean but I can't think of a thing! Just thinking about it now, it could seem like she's refering to things we haven't seen, things that happened while Harry wasn't around. But I thought I'd pose the question to you smart people to see what we could all come up with. So please leave your thoughts in the comments section of this post. I'd love to hear what you think!

I, Personally, as a reply to her post, that Harry wasn't as bad as getting Hermione's point because he complimented her. Ron, on the other hand, hasn't got her point since the third year. That's why she said, "No you're not" and sighed because Ron still hadn't asked her out yet.

What do you guy's think?

Signed-x, Hermione Granger Weasley

Mod Note: Hi, your topic deserves to be in Ron/Hermione, I'm going to merge it.

Forgive me, in the words of Lucius Malfoy.

But I think you're overthinking.

Ron and Hermione have a thing for eachother and thus whatever Ron says to her is taken in a different light than whatever Harry says to her as a friendly compliment.

Well, it is Hermione isn't it? I mean she over reacts on everything, and it has been like 3 years since she's been dropping anvils, and Ron just being stubborn and not moving in. Though Hermione is not annoyed, she thinks it's cute. Though she really wishes he would ask her out.

It seems to me that JK has made Ron and Hermione into cowards. She for 6 years has made them googlyeyed over eachother yet neither of them has acted on it. You can't like anybody for 6 years straight, even a little tiny bit for that long and do NOTHING on it. I mean jeez, that's ridiculous. So they either must not like eachother enough to do anything in 6 years or I don't know. It's all just stupid now, but they will get together in 7. It's just too little too late. Or so I'm assuming.

Well they really didn't like each other until the beginning of like what... third or 4th year. Though I enjoy your opinions so why do you think Hermione said "No You're Not" which is the real reason of this post. Understanding Hermione Granger.

Yeah, Hermione tends to act quite emotional sometimes. The way she punished Rita was not a very level-headed action. Hermione is smart and wise with reading people's feelings, but she's strong-willed and was freaked when she thought that she would never get her chance with Ron. To understand Hermione's actions, her attraction to Ron needs to be understoud.

You've got a point there! hermione IS very emotional! the slightest thing can make her angry, happy or sad (especially when it's in relation to Ron). I don't think it means that she doesn't understand her attraction to Ron though, because after all, she may very well be conscious that she loves him (or that she doesn't... we don't know, we don't know her thoughts). However, i think she does need to figure out what HIS attraction to HER is, because he's the one that's acting very strangely towards her and sometime, we can understand it as him either loving her, or being mad at her.

Btw, speaking of Rita Skeeter, i've read the 4th book such a long time ago, and when i read OOTP this summer, there was something about Rita loosing her job or something. I can't remember why she had to quit her job, can anyone refresh my memory plz? (you can PM me since it doesn't really have anything to do with this topic).

Chloe

In the third movie (Ok.. so probably not what JK wanted, but oh well) It shows you Ron and Hermione looking at the shreaking shack. Malfoy then finds them and goes "Ahh.. Weazleby and Granger, you two looking for your dream home?" or something of the sort. So the script writers have obviously guessed that somethings going on.. even if it's two/three books too early.

hey, when the last time i visit this site there were lots of videos named 'ron-harmione' 'harmione-harry' etc. from fans i think. where are they now? i liked them.
As you understand i'm new here

really? there are ship-videos here? i didn't know that!! i'd like to see some of them too!:P *but anyways there are a lot of those on youtube.com, just wondering if these are better!*

and btw WELCOME LIZZ!!!! welcome to the forum!

Chloe

Sorry, I do not know how she lost her job. About Hermione being emotional, she seems to be able to play it cool about other things most of the time, i.e. Malfoy's insults. However, she gets confused and enraged when it is coming from Ron. She is much qicker to anger with Ron, because she is unsure how to interpret it.

I have been struck with a brilliant new theory about how Harry witnesses Ron and Hermione kissing. Harry probably will become owner of Dumbledore's Pensieve. The Ron and Hermione relationship could have started, and one of them could have put the memory in there. If the memory was left there or something, Harry could see it by accident. Then we could hear about it with no interruptions.

I know, a little far-fetched, but then, you never know. Let's have some feedback, people!

True (about the malfoy insults) but then again, she was affected by them, especially in the second book when he called her "mudblood". I think that by now, she's just used to it and ignores him, and of course it affects her more when it comes from Ron since he's her friend...

And about your theory... i don't really get it... Dumbledore saw them kissing, and harry could see dd's memory of R&H kissing? what? *sorry, it's probably just me being totally stupid, but i don't get it! *

Chloe

New member popping in her favourite ship thread! I've been shipping Ron & Hermione since, well, as soon as I started with HP. I really love this ship, because both can learn so much from each other; Hermione can help Ron mature and become more responsible, and Ron can help Hermione loosen up a bit. I think they'll become the second Molly and Arthur! I also love how Rowling went the non-clichéed route by not pairing the hero and the main female character.
Ginger hugs to all fellow R/Hr shippers!

Chloe, I know I probably didn't make it clear. Harry would now own Dumbledore's Pensieve, so, because Dumbledore is dead, his memories probably went up in smoke. So it is not about Dumbledore at all. Ron or Hermione could have stored a memory of their own in there, and Harry might view it my accident or something. So no, not about Dumbledore. He does not come into the mix.

ooooh ok! now i get it! lol *my usual "get it after half an hour" self*
yes i guess... although it does seem a bit far fetched, and perhaps too simple for a harry potter book... if JKR makes Ron and Hermione end up together, i think she'll tihnk of an original way to inform the readers as well as Harry...

And Welcome silverhair! *yay! glad to see there are so many R/H shippers
* hugs back*

well ive read alot of interveiws with jkr talking about this subject and she pretty much said that they will end up together but i need to know in what way and when in the hogwarts school year
by the way this is my very first post

Three new members since I have been here last. My how time has flown. Welcome to the forums everyone!

Mistress, Dumbledore's death does not mean that his memories have expired. HBP tells us that Morfin and Hokey were both dead (and the ministry worker as I recall). We were still able to see their memories in the pensieve.

About you theory Mistress, I would be shocked if either Ron or Hermione would put a memory like that into the pensive. Especially if they knew Harry was using it. I think it is more likely that they would just tell Harry about their relationship (after a few days).

cll424, Rita didn't lose her job, per se. Hermione discovered Rita was an unregistered animgaus and blackmailed her into retiring her quill for one year.

s to all the new members
I think that the pensive theory seems to unlikely, I don't think Ron or Hermione would put that in there. I think they'll tell Harry, or as I've said, Harry could be alone at B/F's wedding, walking away from Ginny and everyone, being his brooding self and Ron and Hermione walk to a place not far from where he was because they wanted to get away from everyone to, but to share their first kiss.

If not using the Pensieve, then Harry could master Legilimency so he can read Ron's or Hermione's mind and finds out about the kiss(es). Otherwise, Snape may come out to face the trio and try to insult them, saying to Ron, "Still thinking about the last kiss, Weasley?", in which both Ron and Hermione blush furiously.

Yes! That's what I'm talking about. I am a big supporter of the Ron/Hermione ship. Just look at the movies and books. You can clearly see that they are meant to be together.

Of course they are! if JKR doesn't make them end up together, i'm gonna cry!
i mean i was just thinking about it, all the subtle details, all the little sentences that they say to each other IMPLY that they MUST be together... *Go Ron and Hermione!! woot woot!*

Chloe

*btw thank you After the Burial for the details about Rita Skeeter! ^-^*

they will end up together and ron has already told hermine that he loves her in HBP. it was when she was fixing his essay, and she said you better no let lavander hear you say that.
it was a way for ron to see her reaction. it is his first step to telling her his feeling with out the chance of rejection.

oooou yes! i remember reading that!! good eye! oh yes i totally agree with you there horntails! 100%! i definetly that shows that there's something going on there, and the fact that hermione didnt say "what did you say?" or "o kkkkk *rools eyes*" or anything like that that would reject Ron kind of shows some of her feelings for Ron as well...

Chloe

that is right!!!

I'm confident that JKR will come up with a clever way to let us know about Ron & Hermione's first kiss. The way she did Harry & Ginny's was (I thought) rather sappy, but there's nothing wrong with that. Hold on, I just realized this: it won't be the first kiss for either Ron or Hermione. Hermione had the whole Krum thing going on, and then there was that disgusting thing with Lavendar...this is assuming, of course, that Ron & Hermione will actually kiss...if they don't, I am going to be severely disappointed.

I thinks it's true that Ron & Hermione could learn from each other. They are kind of opposites, but are also 'kindred spirits' or something. Ha. Ron needed to grow up so bad in OotP.

Sorry to say, but I sided with Ron in Half Blood Prince. I thought Hermione was incredibly childish. In a society where women are supposed to be liberated, why didn't she make the first move? Can she blame Ron for seizing an opportunity? Ron said it right. He was a free agent. (I will admit that he was stupid for doing so. He had the date with Hermione. What a bloody fool.)

Horntails, I do not think Ron was trying to gauge Hermione's reaction. He is neither experienced nor clever enough to do such a thing. I think he was expressing his emotions freely, and without thinking. Still, it shows that Ron cares for Hermione more than he has admitted to anyone (possibly even himself).

I was on Hermione's side, but then again I was a 17 year old girl reading about the actions of a 17 year old girl. But I understod my Ron did what he did, and I do not fault him.
I'll be completly disapointed if they don't kiss in the last book, I want to cry. Because it's been so long coming, but I have faith.