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After the Burial
I did a search and didn't find this topic, so here we go.

Quite often we book fans complain about how the movies left out some of the best parts of the book. Well, if you were the director (or whoever makes the decision), what scene(s) would you have included in the movies. You may choose any deleted scene from any movie.

To start things off, I wish they included Krum's jealous interview of Harry next to the forest in Goblet of Fire. That one scene really showed how human and good Krum is. JK has said that Krum will appear again, which I thought meant he will be included in the seventh book. Having this one scene did wonders for developing Krum's character. Only three or four more minutes were required to add this scene. I thought it should have been included.

Do you have any scenes you think should have been included in the movies? Please be reasonable. Adding Winky to the Quidditch World Cup would require S.P.E.W. to be included. There was not time for that much plot.
Just the Droobles
I wish they would have included more of Krum in general. And of Fleur. Fleur becomes pretty important later on, and if they put that in the movies, then the people who do not read the books will be asking where on earth she started coming into the picture. I just feel like not a lot of the small characters got all the attention they needed. I realize that the books are long and some have to be cut, but sometimes those characters are important later on.

I still wish they would have kept the house elves past the second movie. I've always thought Dobby was obnoxious, but I think it would have been cool to see him and Winky, and if Kreacher made the cut (did he?) I think he'd be pretty cool.

I would've cried if the thestrals didn't make it. Poor...dead-horse dragon things...
etphonehome
I agree with you about the house elves. Dobby should have been left in. For continuities sake if nothing else. He will have to be in movie 6 at least...won't he?

They cut so much from GoF that I could go on all night. I would have liked to have seen more of the quidditch world cup, Ludo Bagman, less of the Yule Ball, more of the maze especially the part with the spider and the sphinx, oh and the spell that had Harry upside down.

In OotP I would cut grawp, but leave in Grimmauld place. Leave in the rescue from the Dursleys, and cut to fade on the Kiss with Cho under the miseltoe!!
After the Burial
I do not think Dobby will be in the movie adaption of Half Blood Prince. Since he was cut from Order of the Phoenix, I think the intention is to remove him completely. All his parts will be filled by Kreacher (who is in the movie I believe). This is a shame. He is such a wonderful character.

I agree that Grawp should be cut. Unless he becomes important in book 7, there is no great need for him. Hagrid's absence could be explained by his mission running long.

I agree that Goblet of Fire left much to be desired. Bagman was an extranneous character. It was right to cut out that particular side story. I am interested in how they will handle Fleur. We know her story becomes more important in later books. Her pressence could be explained by, "Bill took a fancy to her when watching you in the first task, Harry." Still, character development is important.

I am not certain the Rescue From The Dursleys will happen. I think it should, but nothing of significance is done. Any of the members of the Order can be introduced while at Grimmauld Place.
laudine
I would have wanted more explainung scenes of all these trials in GoF, I would have introduced Bellatrix and explained more about the Death Eaters. For that I would have cut the extremely long dragon scene (what was the point of that?) and all the teenage girly stuff at the Yule Ball.

I would really like to see more of Dobby in the next film. Then I personally would regard it as a pity if Neville would be left out and the story with his parents at St.Mungos. He just deserves much more attention than he has now in the movies. And yes he got all that ball stuff in GoF but do we really want that?
After the Burial
I believe the bits about Neville and the Yule Ball were included because the trip to St. Mungo's will be canceled. It would be a fairly long scene. The shock of discovering the truth of Neville's parents could not be served justice with only a short scene. There is so much else to cover that this scene will be cut.

Yet Neville is an increasingly important character. Character development is needed. I think the director chose to include the scenes for Neville in Goblet of Fire because there would not be time in Order of the Phoenix. I believe this was a foolish move. Childhood deeds do not show the same level of development and growth as the knowledge (and viewing) of the life Neville lives.
Caitlin in Australia
This topic has always been close to my heart because every time I come out of the movie with my family Dad always asks questions just to clarify what happened. As the movies go on the questions are so more in depth with the Harry Potter plot all the readers of the book but the people who just see the movies are missing so out on so much that will (probably) be vital in book seven because we have discovered what was vital in book six.

The charactor of Neville needs more developing in the movies, we know so much about him from the book but the movies leave him in the dark. For example, I would have included what really happened for the dentention in the PS/SS. This wasn't much of a difference but it gave something to Neville. Also, the scene with Neville's parents in St. Mungo's is really important for the end of Order of the Pheonix. As well as someone needs to explain why Neville was so upset in Goblet of Fire with the torture of the spider.

As long as Kreacher, Dobby and Winky are mentioned are a part of any of the next three movies to come out.

More of Krum and Fleur were needed in Goblet of Fire because they do have bigger parts then are let on in the movie so far.
mayfair
Thank you for initiating this thread. There have been several things that I wish would have been incorporated in the movies and since the thread is not specific, I would assume it refers to all movies and not just the most recent one. Though, I admit the deletions are most apparent in GoF. I would like to take up the last two movies

PoA This movie was wonderfully crafted and rightly considered by many as the best of the lot. However, the director could have included some instances that would have made the movie even better. Harry winning the quidditch cup would have been an amazing scene. Especially when they showed his nasty fall of the broom. But then they would have to restructure the whole firebolt thing, which could have ended up changing a lot of stuff. But two glaring omissions in my opinion pertain to the marauders. At the end we see the silvery apparition of a stag that accompanies the blinding light that drove dementors away and saved Harry and Sirius (Hermione should also have been there!!!). For those who haven't read the book, they would never know what that stag stood for. This is directly linked to the second one about the marauders themselves, which I would not like to emphasize on since that one has been done to death.

GoF Now this one is a bundle of glaring omissions. To be fair to the makers, the length of the book itself asked for severe editing while drafting a screenplay and initially I could sympathize with makers on the dilemma they faced. But one look at the additional deleted scenes and all the sympathies vanished only to be replaced with disbelief and derision at the way things were handled. If they found it fitting to shoot an entire song, they could have easily shot several other scenes such as a visit to the kitchens, Meeting Sirius at Hogsmeade and finally the order being brought out of dormancy. Rita Skeeter was done to death with, and so was the fascination with the yule ball. Not too fussed about the world cup since that is not too important, but I agree with those who felt shortchanged, when no magical creatures appeared in the maze. I firmly believe that the makers could have included Sirius in the final scene between Dumbledore and Harry.

I guess we better brace up for more omissions in the final three movies. Guess what would happen of they omit the scene about Snape revealing his identity as the Half Blood Prince in the sixth movie?
After the Burial
I shudder at the thought that Snape's revelation would be pomitted from Half Blood Prince. That is a scene that would take less than two minutes. So much of book six centered on the mystery of the identity of the Half Blood Prince. If we do not witness Snape's revelation, it will be because there will not be a focus on the Prince's identity.

I understand why many of the scenes in Goblet of Fire were omitted. The scene in Sirius's cave needed to be taken out because it required other scenes to be put into the movie. It would require a letter to be sent to Harry. It would need many minutes to consider the cave scene. It would also be necessary to include Sirius at the the maze.

Even more importantly than this, adding that one scene changes the feel of the entire movie. The movie presented in the theaters gave the impression that Harry was facing the tournament alone. He did not receive help from Ron or Hermione (they were not useful for the second task). He did not get advice from anyone but Cedric and Moody (of course, Neville obtained the gillyweed). Even when Harry did receive help, the scenes were presented briefly. Most of the 'work' was done by Harry.

If Sirius had a larger part in the movie, the tone would be changed. Harry would have someone who was trying to protect him. Even Dumbledore threw Harry in harm's way. Including Sirius somehow decreases the risk Harry faces. It does not feel as dangerous.
mayfair
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If Sirius had a larger part in the movie, the tone would be changed. Harry would have someone who was trying to protect him. Even Dumbledore threw Harry in harm's way. Including Sirius somehow decreases the risk Harry faces. It does not feel as dangerous.


I am not saying that they should have included all the conversations Harry had with Sirius, but the final scene that they showed in Harry's dormitory (it took place in Dumbledore's office actually) could have very well done with Sirius in it, because in the book, Harry was extremely grateful for Sirius's presence in there, especially the part when Dumbledore talks about there being people who love Harry. Fawkes would have been a great addition as well. Sirius need not have been present in the remaining scenes. His alibi of being nearby was easily established with the letter he send Harry initially. Similarly the scene at the beginning of the third task could have done with Arthur and Molly Weasley sitting side-by-side. It would not have added much to the screenplay or the length of the movie, but a lot in terms of getting the point across.

My point was several such instances could very well have been made into additional scenes instead of the ones we got to see on the DVD. I did not think that putting an entire Weird sisters song was such a great idea. It could have been released as a music video or something. The makers shot several scenes that did not add much content, so minor adjustments could have very well been made.

As far as people helping Harry goes, there were several instances where he was shown receiving help from others. Barty Crouch Jnr. bailed him out of the first task in a similar manner as in the book. Hermione was there helping him sort out the egg puzzle and of course Neville. These events were not too dissimilar from the book, in the sense that though he received help prior to the tasks, he accomplished the tasks on his own.

I think the makers were concerned about the filming time, since most scenes require special effects to be incorporated thus explaining why the movies take time to film. They probably were scared of having something akin to Titanic on their hands. Come to think of it, a 3 hour or a 2:45 movie would not have been too bad a proposition.
lavender brown
Good topic After the Burial because I understand that GOF is long, however they did miss to much out.

Firstly I think that the Quidditch World Cup should have been longer because you didnt really get the feeling that it was such a huge occassion (well me personally) so I think they could have put in a minute of them flying and then they could have introduced Krum in a more prominant way, especially with Hermione in the background of the shot.

Winky, I would have liked to see her in the movie, because the house elf bits are really good, but I do understand that because it was crucial to the plot it was a good way of cutting the book down.

Perhaps seeing slightly more of Snape and Moody would have been good as well, seeing as they are very important characters to the story, this again would have involved cutting down other scenes but they put in too many scenes that werent in the actual book.

I agree there was far too much made of the Yule Ball because in the book Harry doesnt even enjoy it and it is kind of forgotten about in the book after it has happened.

In the maze they should have had creatures however I did like the idea that you were trapped in your own head and the maze scenes were so good that it is hard to complain about them.

Also in GOF there was lots of humour, the scene with Mcgonagall and Ron dancing was really good but I think there were too many scenes like that, which dont relate to the books, however I do think that if the scene is short and it works then it is ok.

It would have been good if Sirius was in the movie because it will really signify his importance in OOTP because of their close connection which has been portrayed in the film.

POA was a great film and it was definatley one of my favourites, however again I would have liked to see that last Quidditch match, maybe they could have ended it with Harry holding the cup at the end, it would be an extra 3-5 minutes of film, depending on the length and would have finished it perfectly.

As for OOTP they had better include Grimmauld Place and I would have liked to have seen St Mungos however because again it isnt crucial I dont think it will be added. At the Dursleys I think they should show the escape because it really highlights Harrys importance in the wizarding world, and it is a reunion with Lupin and the real Moody.

I know the movies can never quite do justice to the books, especially since they are so long, however I think that they should remain more loyal to the books, and not drift off the point because if too much original material is missed out then it wont be as good as a Harry Potter movie should be.
After the Burial
For the first time, they are added entirely new scenes to the movies (in Order of the Phoenix). Previously, they altered the locations and timelines and lines and such to make the movies flow better. Now, they are adding scenes to the movies that were never in the book. What are your opinions regarding that?

It seems clear that a major point of discussion in the previous movies was how well they stayed true to the books...how much of the books were preserved. Now that they have chosen to significantly alter the characters, can we really regard the movies and books as the same story?
Just the Droobles
Um, just wondering here, but what scenes have they drastically added or changed that you are referring to? Order isn't even out yet, and all we are getting is previews. We can't really infer a whole lot from that. I mean, GoF looked really good in the previews, and then it turned out to be really lame. So...I guess I'm kind of asking for your basis on 'the scenes that were never in the books.'
ILoveHarryPotter07
I agree I think they should have included Fluer more. The Movie really didn't capture the stuck up personality. We really didn't learn much about her either. I think that adding Percy would have been good too, as in GoF he begins to seperate from his family and we see the result of that in OotP. In general I think that the movies need to be longer, because shortening them isn't satisfing anyone. It makes things more confusing for one. Also in cutting the length of the movie they cut out people and scenes that we all love or have some importance. Like cutting all the quiddich matches and S.P.E.W. I think that even if people had to sit in the thearter an hour or 1/2 an hour longer it wouldn't matter at least then we would see more of the books. Another thing that bothered me was in GoF. The pensive scene was wrong. The movie didn't even explain how Barty got out of jail. It all goes back to my point of longer movies. That is the issue right there. I mean sure we're not going to be completely satisfied with the movies, but it could be better.
After the Burial
I agree that the escape could have been added, but what does it accomplish in the movies? It doesn't do much of anything. It doesn't truly matter how he escaped. The fact is that he did. The notion that no one noticed, particularly after the fuss in Prisoner of Azkaban, seems ridiculous.
mayfair
Actually I believe that the makers are lucky that the next movie coming out is Order of the Phoenix. the book itself is more verbose but not too diverse in terms of content. I mean what we see there is a kind of repetition of several events. There is plenty of dialogue between characters that can easily be purged during drafting the script as the makers would have undoubtedly done. Many events such as D.A. meetings, Harry's classes, nightmares, Occlumency lessons, visions, detentions appear many times in the book. It's only towards the end that the things become fast paced. The book on the whole is easily summarised into the following-
1. Harry Combats dementors at home and is summoned to the ministry hearing
2. In the meanwhile comes to know of Order of Phoenix and ministry trouble
3. Reaches Hogwarts only to encounter a horrible teacher and suffer numerous nightmares
4. Rebels against authority by forming an own association due to which he's eventually caught
5. Lured into the ministry to save Sirius, in the process witnesses the death of his godfather and learns of the prophecy

So the book and by extension the movie itself is an easy plot. I mean there's not much to be lost in becoming concise. Half Blood Prince though is a different matter altogether. Each and every memory is crucial to the plot and that itself takes a fair bit of time. Plus, every chapter in the book is a revelation about something past and present so the makers will have a real tough time getting all that into one film. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be another GoF. Like I said before, imagine if they omit the part about Snape revealing himself as the Half Blood Prince and the idea being mentioned only in passing. Now that would so kill the plot biggrin.gif
Just the Droobles
About the escape, I think it would have been good to at least touch on because in the third movie they really emphasized how Sirius was "the first one that done it." Barty Jr. was probably after his time, but some fans might wonder how someone else managed to get out as well. Course, we never really learned how Sirius escaped either. But that is the ugly beauty about the movies isn't it?

I do think the fifth movie should be a bit easier to adapt than the fourth because a lot of it is dialogue which can be easier condensed than the tasks. Though I do think too much emphasis was put on those stupid tasks. Anywho...the fifth book isn't as much action until the end. And what they've cut so far, I don't really care about it. Quidditch doesn't advance the plot very much, other than that's how Fred and George leave. But this is their last year anyway, and fans can just assume that they left if they don't appear in the next movie. Them leaving isn't all that vital. Winky is still in the movies, and the thestrals made it too. Heck, Grawp even made it. So this is either going to be just as rushed as the last movie or it's going to be just right. smile.gif
After the Burial
How has Winky made it into the OotP movie? She must have a crucial role in the seventh book. JK must have told them to include her. Why else would she be important enough to be needed in OotP?

Anyhow, I agree with mayfair that the fifth book will be much easier to adapt to film. The Quidditch scenes are not needed. Fred and George can easily get their brooms from their room. Their exit (which had better be included) can be adapted without much change.

The writers will have trouble with HBP. The Draco subplot can be reduced without losing much. Harry and Ginny's relationship does not require a lot of time (although I think they will use it). Ron and Lavender will kiss, but the thrashing eels will not be emphasized. Like mayfair said, trying to condense the memories will present a challenge. That should be interesting to see how it is done.
Just the Droobles
I didn't think Winky was in OotP...I thought it was just Kreacher. I've seen pictures of the animation for Kreacher...boy, he looks weird. Do you have anything that has confirmation or anything about Winky?
mayfair
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I've seen pictures of the animation for Kreacher


Could you pass on the links for that? I mean I searched for Kreacher pictures on the web and the only one I came across was one where he looked like a highly degenerated version of Dobby with a huge scowl and another one where he's showing his teeth. I am sure that would not be the one, after all in case the makers decide to include both Kreacher and Dobby in the sixth book, they can't appear to be related can they?

On to my earlier point, the sixth book would be really difficult to adapt for screenplay. I have a feeling that several things may be totally eliminated from the movie. Hopefully there will be no quidditch. The train scene may be cut off entirely and possibly much of Slughorns classes. I mean they should try and incorporate each and every memory in the movie especially where Tom Riddle is a major player, that may ensure that the first memory may either be left out or mad extremely concise. Half Blood Prince's book would be another place where they can do some editing. I mean they could leave in potions instructions and Sectumsempra while leaving out everything else.
Just the Droobles
Oh goodness...I can hardly remember where I saw those. I believe they were on You-Know-Which site, but I'd really have to do some searching. Oh well, it's a snow day, I've got some time.

Ah ha. Apparently it wasn't on that site...but I found it nonetheless. This is where I first saw anything on Kreacher, and it looks pretty legitimate to me. I think he looks rather creepy. You can look through all the thumbnails and such as well. smile.gif If that's the same thing you saw, sorry about that. But that's all I've ever found on him.
mayfair
Yes that's the one I saw and like I said, it may be legitimate, but there are many similarities with Dobby. I found a few Dobby pictures here and here and one can immediately spot many similarities. It's as if they modeled Kreacher on the previous template they had of Dobby making a few changes to the nose and eyes, but the lower half of their faces are uncannily similar. If you look carefully at the first Dobby pictures, you'll see what I mean
Just the Droobles
I would think that'd sort of be their intention. I don't think they could completely reconstruct the look of a house elf, seeing that we've already seen one. Kreacher is really just an aged Dobby. He's a bit more wrinkly, droopy, fat and ugly, but nonetheless, they are both house elves. Their noses are most definitely different, and their heads aren't quite the same shape. Course, that's getting down to all the fine details. But since they are the same 'creature,' we can't expect much else other than them to look a bit similar.
missmugglebethany
I really miss dobby too. what i dont understand is why they are being so strict with this 2 and half hour thing. Lord of the rings was 3 hours for th firs two and over three for the 3rd. There were tons of kids in those movies. And well look how well they've done there! I know they cant do every sub plot, but the plots that were there needed to be done better.

SO i really wanted to see the hospital scene at the end with sirius and snape thats really important. and dumbledore and fudge, thats really important also. I also would have like to have seen the bug um i mean rita skeeter seen. I could go on and on. I will say that the first to watched in the extended version make it follow the book more.
LilyPotter
Oh wow... so many...

Well, firstly, I would have to say the Quidditch World Cup scene in GOF. I mean, come on... how could they just leave that entire scene out?

Also from GOF, I would add Dobby back into the mix... and Winky. Again, I don't like how they just left the house elves out and blamed the gillyweed on Neville.

I guess GOF, being the lengthy novel it was, probably should have been made into a four hour movie... I would have liked it, at least happy.gif .
mayfair
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I really miss dobby too. what i dont understand is why they are being so strict with this 2 and half hour thing.


I agree with you there. People sat through Titanic and King Kong that were much longer and the movies turned out to be blockbusters. I just can't fathom why the makers cannot stretch the movie to beyond 2 and a half hours. It's not that they have budgetary constraints, the movies make tons of money so higher expenses can easily be justified. As it is, many scenes are not included in the theatrical version and are put on DVDs, why not include them in the movie release? Goblet of fire should have included Dobby and the kitchen scene. The meeting with Sirius in Hogsmeade should have been there and so should have his presence in Dumbledore's office at the end. God knows what the makers were thinking. How can you show Harry suffering from Sirius's death in the next movie, when the audiences don't get to see how important he had become to Harry?

Half Blood Prince would require a lot of information to be included in the screenplay, though I agree that much of it is dialogues between Harry and Dumbledore that the makers would like to condense. The memories are all important and wonder how many of them will be included in the movie.

marire
I could bore you with some of my views.

I haven't seen the first two films for a long time, as I don't have them on DVD, so I can't say anything from them.

I think PoA was otherwise quite good, but it didn't really explain what Maradeurs are. I think it wouldn't be too hard or expensive to film few minutes of dialogue to Lupin, who could explain it to Harry.

From GoF...well, if I wanted to make it good in whole, I would propably have to film it from start. Too much action in too short time, and no explaining.
As for extra scenes.. I agree with other people that Sirius should have been added in the end. It would have shown well how he cares about Harry,and would have established OotP well.
I also would have wanted the scene where Dumbledore and Fudge are arguing. I don't have no idea how they are going to explain in OotP what ministry suddenly has against Hogwarts.
Many have also mentioned Quidditch world cup. It's just so amazing how they can make a beautiful start and then just cut the rest of the scene out.
As for house-elves... I have to say that I'm not so sorry they didn't add them in GoF. Although I like Dobby, and other house-elves, I don't think they had so crucial part in book as they have in OotP and CoS. Adding them would have made the film even more confused as it is now. I however understand that lot of people disagree with me in this.

For OotP,I think that the scenes that have been confirmed sound good to me.The only part I really dislike is Voldemort appearing in King's Cross. I really hope they cut it away, as it makes me really angry they are adding scenes like that.
I wont either like Crawp scenes, but that's only because I hate Crawp biggrin.gif

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I really miss dobby too. what i dont understand is why they are being so strict with this 2 and half hour thing.


I agree with you there. People sat through Titanic and King Kong that were much longer and the movies turned out to be blockbusters. I just can't fathom why the makers cannot stretch the movie to beyond 2 and a half hours.


I think it may be because movies are partly fixed to children, even if they aren't appropriate to them.Children wouldn't have enough patient to sit three hours or more. I agree films should be longer, but I doubt it happens soon.
nevillesgirl
Great topic!
I won't bore everyone by rehashing some of the things said about the house elves and the Quidditch world cup...and the whole character development with Neville...I agree with those things being important.

PoA- I wanted to see maybe an introduction to Cedric Diggory and that he won the match agaisnt Harry after he fell off his broom. Then I would have at least felt a little more saddened by his death in GoF. I was a late bloomer with HP so I saw movie four first, then watched 1-3, then read the books. People who don't read the books really didn't make a connection with Cedric in GoF Movie-at least I didn't because to me he was kind of just thrown into the mix.

GoF- I would have loved to see the scene with Dudleys tongue lopping about the living room because of the candy the Weasley twins accidently dropped. That would have been a great opening to their Joke Shop future. It would have also shown interaction between the magic fearing Durselys with a normal wizarding family, really play up there fear and hate of magic. The truce at the end of the movie where Dumbledore askes Sirius and Snape to shake hands because he trusts them both then sends them both on a seperate mission would have been good. It would have been a nice introduction to the "old gang" of the order, and we would have seen Snape obeying Dumbledore to go back to Voldemort as a spy. Finally I think the 1000 galleons that Harry gave to the Weasley twins should have been included. Everyone knows that the family is poorer then dirt so when it comes out about them finally having a joke shop, non readers may wonder how it got financed.

Okay thats all for now...
~nevillesgirl
Lil Cougar
I think that the first two movies were good... But I think I would have left in the Death Day party in CoS...

POA I agree nevillesgirl... They should have introduced Cedric more... And Cho I think...

GOF I think they should have shown the dudley scene with his tougne and I think that they should have shown that Rita was a bug and they should have told who killed Barty Crouch and they should have told about the Dementors kiss on the guy who killed him and they should have left Voldemorts speech the way it was in the book, and they should have shown the twins getting Harry's money... I could go on and on... I really think that they butchered that movie... And I think they should have at least left the stuff above in so that the people who didn't read the books weren't confused, it took me an hour to explain everything to my parents...
etphonehome
The focus on The RoR and the DA in OotP for the sake of Quidditch was I fear a necessary sacrifice, however, I do think that they could have incorporated the broomstick confiscation and why into the movie for no other reason than it was a scene that really intensified my utter loathing for Umbridge (as if it needed more intensifying!)

I am disappointed that Dobby was cut out of GoF and OotP, the knock on consequences for DH are now well known and it's will be all the more difficult to reintrodue Dobby as a 'main' character in DH.

The rumoured cuts from HBP are already making me worry. In particular the Gaunts. This part I feel is instrumental to the whole of the background to the book and to cut the whole family is like cutting out the seeds of an apple then expecting a tree to grow from it. Voldemort had a background, they are cutting it out and I think this is a mistake.
Sirren
Elaine, I can't agree with you more about the lack of background provided by the Gaunts and their history. To cut that from the movie provides another missing stepping stone for understanding the entire process contributing to Voldemort's evil.

I also do not understand how cutting the scene at the Gaunt house will help establish either the horocruxes or that the ring is actually one of the Deathly Hallows. What will they do, just toss that idea into the movie through the comment of a character? It seems as though those small omissions, like Dobby from GoF and OOTP, diminish the power for the final movie.
etphonehome
Thanks Dorthy, the more I think about this, the more it bothers me. Last night, I just opened up the book at random pages and scanned away as you do and the name Gaunt came up so regulary, that it confirmed that HBP must really be stripped down to bare bones as it were. When you hear things like HBP being described as a Rom/Com, you know the focus is going to be on Ron's and Harry's love life.

This is really daunting when for me the whole focus should have been, Dumbledore's lessons, Voldemorts past, Slughorns memory, THe Potions Book and the whole background to the horcruxes. The romance should just be a small sub plot and I'm probably going to get hammered for this, why bother with Quidditch this time round? If they are not going to explain the main plot, then people who don't know the books are in for a confusing time.
Insomnia
I have to agree. The more I hear about cuts, the more I worry that HBP is going to be a romance-centered movie. Not exactly what I was hoping for or expecting from the movie preceding DH.

I suppose they are just going to have the trio discuss the majority of Harry's lessons with DD as a way of explaining the events to the audience instead of actually filming the lessons for us to see. In other words, they'll film Harry telling Ron and Hermione about what he saw in the Pensieve with the Gaunts and everything instead of having Harry actually go into the Pensieve.

I can see how doing this will save time in movie length, but if it is only to make room for more snogging scenes, it's not worth it. But if it's to create as much room and time as possible to give the cave scene and the lightning-struck tower scene the attention and detail it deserves, then by all means, go for it. I just hope they are planning to put as much meat into this movie as possible.
Sirren
I am still miffed over OOTP. You know I waited months to view the film in anticipation of Chey and reading up to that book. When she told me I could just watch the DVD after buying it for myself at Christmas, I jumped at the chance to see the movie I'd waited months to view. Although I enjoyed OOTP, I was equally as discussed with what was cut from the text. I was eager to see how Harry and Snape displayed the Occlumency lessons: big let down. I was eager to see the Death Eater scenes that didn't make it. Then, the end at the DOM seemed so fast, so hurried, so rushed. I didn't even really perceive Voldemort as that evil at the end, just another villian.

That is what I don't want to lose in HBP or the now released two movies to equal DH. Voldemort is a supremely evil villian, he needs to be depicted as such. I do not see how that can occur with cuts showing he was nearly evil from birth.

The first time I read HBP it seemed Ron was snogging the entire novel. Upon subsequent readings I recognized the snogging parts were small, short and hardly as irritating as my first read. I want the movie to portray my feelings for the second and third readings, not all snogging as was my first interpretation. Snogging is fluff; I want the meat of the story.
nevillesgirl
Well this is it isn't it? This is the home stretch and Yates doesn't have much more room for error seeing as there is just one more book after this. True, it being split into two movies should make his job easier as far as making sure he doesn't miss the point of the movie. I wonder if they should have split the last three then?

I too worry that important information will be cut from film and left to just dialogue between the trio. I think it is very important to cast light on exactly how evil Voldemort really is and that started with what we know about his personality in the orphanage. Killing the Gaunts would have been a powerful scene to see especially with Tom still having human features. It makes it him scarier to me and not so much the inhuman monster we have Hollywood portraying him as.

I think it is equally important to be accurate in the relationship aspect. At least show Hermione's jealousy and Harry's inner struggle with his feelings for Ginny. Yates really doesn't have to overdo it with all the snogging though. It distracts from the purpose. The focus should be about Harry discovering all he can about a young Tom Riddle and Draco's task for the Dark Lord.
alkisti
What I liked mostly about OotP, was the fact that especially in the beginning, it looked like any other movie. I can still remember that scene with Harry sitting at a swing watching the clouds and listening to the noise made by its movement. It was very atmospheric this scene.

When the first movie was about to be released, I felt very excited since I had been waiting for it for years. However, it was the biggest disappointment in my life. I may exaggerate, but it would be better for me if they had never made the movies at the first place. I just can't handle the disappointment I feel in the end when nothing is the way I wanted it to be.

For example, I agree with Dorthy, about the fighting scenes in movie 5. I had expected it so much better. It was an epic fight, broken glasses everywhere, bruises, blood, anxiety, the stress of being chased...and then, the "glorious" moment of Sirius's death. The moment when he falls behind the veil, I had imagined this scene so thoroughly. I had imagined there would be a battle between him and Bellatrix, and then, Sirius would laugh, and she would cast the spell, and the image would slow down, and we would take a close look at Harry's face... You can tell I had great expectations from this movie. I had hoped it would have made me very sad. But it didn't. Or at least that much. mellow.gif

As for the new movie, I hope as well that they will not sacrifise a lot of time in the snogging part. I mean, I don't care. I cared when I read it, since I wanted Ron and Hermione to end up together. But now that I know they will, I don't care about Hermione's wave of jealousy. It is more important to give us an insight of Voldemort's past, of the places he went, of the way he made the Horcruxes. I want it to be a dark movie, so as to let us be a part of Voldemort's idiosyncrasy. I have high expectations as well and I can only hope that its being split will lead to making it a great film worth watching more than once.
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