They'd be dead. No question of it. Hermione was an indespensible part of the team. Both she and Ron were there to give Harry the time required to build his "inner" and "emotional" strength before having to sit down and really man up.
Hermione's role was that of the brain. She gave Harry the spells he needed and the cool reasoning to get out of situations. Ron was the muscle there to back up Harry no matter what and by doing so giving Harry courage against adversity and teaching him the value of loyalty.
I know that makes them sound like 'mom and dad' but that's what I think they did for Harry.

I think that Harry, Ron and Hermione balance each other out to the point where without each other they would not be who they are and would not have evolved in the books the way that they have. Hermione probably woul dhave turned into another Luna Lovegood, Harry probably would have joined Draco and his cronies had he not bonded with Ron on the train and Ron would still just be Fred and George's little brother...a basic nobody. These three have this connection that has helped them grt through their personal issues and that has also turned them into the people that they are.

If Ron and Harry had not befriended Hermione, Harry would be dead, but probably not Ron. Harry would not have made it past the dragon in Goblet of Fire. Without Harry to get him into so much trouble, Ron would probably live a somewhat normal life at Hogwarts.

Please you only have to read SS to see that both of the boys would have died without Hermione think Devil's Snare, and if we follow that they both owe Ron for his amazing but otherwise useless skill at wizard's chess, and Harry well Harry pretty much ends up getting everyone else out of the way so he doesn't have to worry about saving them. Unless we go to GoF then he saves Hermione (even if he didn't have to since she was in no real danger) and in HBP he saves Ron with the bezoar. So basically the other two prove themselves to each other before he does unless I'm missing something. Not that there is nothing in keeping your friends out of danger so they don't need saving.

Harry, Ron and Hermione are three parts of one person. I couldn't even imagine if one of them wasn't there. and i agree with emrldfelf if one of them wasn't there in the SS then Harry/Ron/Hermione would have been dead.

To me, Harry, Ron, and Hermione are a lot like Prongs, Padfoot, and Mooney.

Hermione is like Lupin. They are both down to earth, smart, and are outcast (hermione = muggle born, lupin = werewolf)

Ron can be a lot like Black in that they are both pure bloods, can have tempers, and are both the best friends of a Potter.

And everyone says that Harry is like his father and not just in looks. Serius tells Harry the things he does reminds him of James. The only difference is Harry is a bit more mature than James was.

My question is, Who would be or is the Wormtail of the group?

Here is an interesting thought...Neville as the wormtail of the group? It seems unlikely but I imagine it was quite a surprise to the marauders when Pettigrew betrayed them. Also, remember in book 1 when Dumbledore told Harry that Snape just really wants to go back to hating the memory of James in peace? Loving Lily did not change his feelings about James except to make it worse. I assume James and Lily started dating after James saved Snapes life. I can't remember if that was 6'th or 7'th year. As for Snape calling Lily that name he was 15 and caught in an embarrassing situation in front of a girl he liked. It probably just came out and so far to our knowledge by what we already know from the books that that was the only time he had ever insulted Lily. I think I covered the recent topics...

Hey Gryffindor crew I haven't posted here in a while ( my bad!)
What's being said about Harry, Ron and Hermione all needing each other to still be alive, I think is completely true. They all support each other one way or another. Each is needed for their skills.

If you were to make a case as to who is the Wormtail of the current Marauders, Neville seems the obvious choice. He does seem to be the occassional 'tag-along.' Even so, I do not think of Neville as a Peter character.

Peter followed James and Sirius because he could not stand on his own. Neville has the inner strength to be his own man. I view this as a fundamental difference between Peter and Neville.

NOOOO way!!! Neville is would never betray Harry. i mean think about it his parents were tortured be Bellatrix, Voldemort's groupie. He would never go to voldemort's side, no madder what. ok, i am claming down, sorry about that. But, no i think that Percy is like peter. even though he isn't a part of the trio, he stilll betrayed his family and i think that he and peter haev a lot in common.

I agree HP. Percy is the character in the books that most closely resembles Peter. They both have redemptive qualitites, but whether or not they will make that choice before it is too late for them remains open. The largest difference between them, I think, is that Percy is a loner. Peter seems to desire friends and companionship. Percy does not.

the other difference would be that percy is actually smart where wormtail is a complete no talent! every one remembers wormtail as the not so smart, not so talennted kid that followed james and sirius around...and percy is smart and abitious and doesn't like to lean on people to get there...he wants to make it on his own...but still percy is my least favorite charactor in the whole book...including unbride!!! he is a complete prat!

Wow, that is saying something. It also strikes on a new topic. If we have discussed this previously, feel free to correct and stop the discussion. Who is your least favorite character in the entire series? Since we are in the Gryffindor thread, who is your least favorite Gryffindor?

My least favorite character in the series is Bane. You can include all the centaurs really. They talk about wizards being prideful, but they neglect to look at themselves. My least favorite Gryffindor (besides the obvious choices of Percy and Peter) is Wood. I used to like him, but he wouldn't care if Harry died, as long as he caught the snitch first. He has his priorities all wrong.

Lol hiya guys, first, disappointing to see our house at the very bottom of the page.

Moreover though, I don't think Percy is in any way similar to Wormtail, Neville however is. Minus the malice and malintent. But Wormtail wasn't a bad guy in school, he was alot like Neville infact.


And if Wormtail was a no talent he wouldn't have his marauder name. :-p

He didn't transform into a rat because he had no talent, they needed an animal that was small and so he could disable the whomping willow quickly.

Wormtail was a snivelling, treacherous, "no talent" fool but he was regarded in that way because he was always in comparison to 3 of the greatest wizards of all time.... James Potter, Sirius Black, and Remus Lupin. So, I just thought I'd clear that up on my point of view.

My least favorite Gryffindor is, well I don't actually have one. Colin used to be annoying but, eh. My favorite is Sirius. Otherwise Ron or Hermione, or Harry, or Ginny.

I don't really think Neville is like Wormtail jarn... Neville may not be good at everything, but he's amazing at herbology, and he doesn't really follow the trio around... he's friends with them, but he must have other friends too, because he's not ALWAYS with them and doesn't seem really attached.

My least favorite in Gryffindor is... are the Patils. I just kind of find them annoying. I also couldn't really think of anyone else, and they popped into mind.

My least favorite character is definately Lucius Malfoy. He's just... not two-faced, more like ten billion faced. Basically evil.

I can't believe you hate wood, but hey every person sees things differently..but i loved him i found the things he would come out with hillarious and it doesn't hurt that the actor who plays him in the movies (sean biggerstaff) is fine!...but yeah i see what jarn means about wormtail not being bad in school but i still can't agree on the nevile/wormtail thing the only thing that i can see as a simularity is that he is less talented then the others.

Well but I know guys, I'm just saying that Neville and Wormtail have alot of the same traits, and are alike. But I wasn't saying that Neville would particularly be a good Wormtail. And as opposed to Percy/Wormtail. Percy is nothing like Wormtail I don't think.

I don't hate Wood, I merely do not like him. His obsession with Quidditch is unnerving (admittedly, I am the same way about baseball). Broomstick, I agree with you about Parvati. I am not overly fond of her either. I am in the same mold as McGonagall, I view Divination as pretty much useless. I cannot understand Parvati and Lavender's obsession with it.

Lavendernow there is a charactor i just don't like... i don't no why there is just something about her i can't stand...gossipy little girl is the image i get when ever i read about her.

Well, I see we have had a major change in topics here. I like this one, so, I have much to say on it. There are two gryffindores from which I dislike. One from the past, is Wormtail. He is nothing but a cowardly little sneak, and a betrayer of his 4 most best friends in the world. He reminds me much like, Judas. Sorry for the Biblical reference, but I have got to say this. Jesus, was a kindred enought heart, to accept Judas, as a disciple within his inner circle of riteousness. Jesus valued Judas as trustworthy friend. Then Judas, turns around, and pretty much hands Jesus to the Pharasees. Jesus is not at fault here, he was just showing his disciples, the Miraculus things which God can do. He is a messenger of God. I think Lily like Jesus in this way. She gave her life for her only son. Jesus, gave his life, for all of what is holy and riteous. Now, for the presant Gryffindore, from which I dislike. This person is Percy Weasley. He betrays, the most powerful wizard in the world, and probably the most well-moraled wizard to boot. Also, he betrayed and turned his back on his own family when times heeded that they need him the most. Wow, that was a long sumation, but, I am forever in your debts, to grant you all of your thanks.

Thanks,

~~Prince~~

I agree with you Prince : eather I hate Percy!
He has not only betrayed the most powerful wizard, but also his family and just because they said the truth about his boss and Voldemort!
Then he has that air of know it all... I can't stand him!

I see where you're going with this, Prince. But to play a tiny bit of devil's advocate, many scholars feel that Jesus chose Judas for that particular reason... the other deciples wouldn't have been able to "sell" his wearabouts to those in the Temple. So, assuming that's correct, I don't think that Wormtail would fit the description of Judas. Why would Lily and James want Voldemort to find them? They were in hiding for a reason...



As a mother myself, I would do the same; I think it's safe to say that most mom's would do whatever it takes to protect their child(ren), even if it means their own death.
So with that, I don't look at Lily to be like Jesus; just a courageous, loving mother.

Wow! I agree with Jarn about Neville being akin to Pettigrew however when I first brought it up I was thinking only physically but I find the physical similarities to be striking, the build, the teeth, and not being as popular. I wonder if Rowling is deliberately drawing our attention to this similarity for a reason. Is it to make us begin to doubt Neville and is it a 'red herring'? I agree that Neville would never really betray his friends.
My least favorite Gryffindor is interesting because it is Percy. I say interesting because in my past I did something similar to what Percy did. I was living with my mom and engaged to be married and my mother and I had an argument about where my fiance and I were looking to buy a house. My mom had empty nest syndrom. The argument escalated and she told me to get out. So I packed what I would need for a week and called Doc (my husband, then fiance). I decided to teach my mother a lesson about saying what you mean. I thought I knew it all. A few minutes later she was on the cell with me pleading for me to come home and looking back I should have but I was too proud at the time. I lived in a hotel room for 3 weeks until Doc closed on the house and I lived there until we were married 5 months later. I shopped for a wedding gown on my own, endured a car accident in which I received a concussion so I had two black eyes forever, and was pretty well miserable but so much as I had made my familiy. My grandparents worried sick and my mom didn't know what to do and neither did I since we were both too proud to admit our mistakes. Sounds like Arthur and Percy a little. Anyway, Mom and I rebonded when I became pregnant and now we are the best of friends. My least favorite person is Percy because at that time I was my least favorite person. I hope Percy can reconcile with his family. Sorry for the length...

Percy is my least favorite charactor as well because i like laid back people and he is just so tight is is unbelieveable. i am going through the same thing with my mum the only differance is that i am 17 i moved 4 hours away and we haven't made up yet! but anyway back on track with another question... do you think percy will make up with his family?

Why does everyone think that Percy betrayed Dumbledore and his family? Do we have different definitions? For me, betrayal must include some physical act against someone to whom you were previously loyal.

Firstly, Percy was never loyal to Dumbledore. You cannot betray someone to whom you are not loyal. Secondly, Percy turned his back on his family, but I don't think he ever betrayed them. He may have intended to (by spying on them and passing information to the Ministry). Still, he never did anything to the Weaselys except leave them. He is an enormous prat, but he did not betray anyone.

Will Percy make up with his family? I hope not. I know I am in the minority on this one, but he is one character I don't think deserves redemption. I think that there are some mistakes for which a person cannot be forgiven (Percy's is not one of them). Still, I would like this message to be coveyed somehow in the story (in someone other than a Death Eater or Voldemort). Percy seemes like the best candidate.

Even so, I think he will be redeemed and that he will make up with his family. It is the right thing to do.

Bah, I never did like Percy, and I am agreeing with After the Burial. He never did betray DD or his family.. yet. You cant turn your back to someone you are not loyal to. Sure he was the headmaster but you dont have to like him. He left his family because he thought it was ridiculous that they actually believe LV came back, and as AtB said, I hope the heck not Percy doesn't come back.

Enough about Gryffindors we hate. Let's discuss some better aspects of our shared House.

Who is the best Gryffindor?

My vote is on Albus. He not only fits the mold, but has the best qualities of the other Houses, too. Not only is he brave, true and loyal but he's also cunning, intelligent and loving. You cannot find a better example of what all Gryffindors should stive to be.

I agree the best Gryffindor is Albus. For one thing he has the courage to admit his mistakes and the grace to not let his mistakes weigh him down but to keep plodding through to the outcome he is fighting for.
I have a question about the Head Boy and Girl. You are told in SS that James and Lily were Head Boy and Girl in their day. (Hagrid to Harry) However you learn in OotP that Lupin was a prefect and not James. I'm confused because I assumed (yeah, I know about assumptions but I still fall for them) That the Head Boy and Girl were chosen to represent the school out of the 8 prefects (2 from each house). So how did James become Head Boy? Did Lupin step down because of his furry condition and the harder schedule due to NEWTS? Any one know?

I thought that usually but not always the Head Boy and Girl are prefects but I think that if a student improves his patterns in 5th and 6th year they could still become Head but maybe that was just me. Maybe I'm just holding out that Harry will be chosen as Head Boy even if he does decide not to go back it'd be the fulfillment of an idea I had since the beginning. Maybe that would be too predictable for JK though.

I don't know about whether or not you have to be a prefect to become head boy or girl, but I do have an opinion towards Harry being head boy in year seven.
I don't think McGonagal would put him up for that position, just because she already knows that he has a lot on his plate. Being head boy would add to things that he has to do...
Yeah. Those are my thoughts on the matter

Back on topic here..

Best Gryffindor I think is.. me. No lol just kidding.. But uhmm for adult I pick Albus, hes just a natural guy who doesnt think hes perfect and owns up to his mistakes, hes powerful, nice and just an all around (dead) guy. Uhm for boy I think its like.. Harry, Neville or Ron. I mean Harry sure is brave and so powerful but what about Neville and Ron? They are most loyal to their friends and act when needed. My 2 sense.

My favortite Gryffindor is Harry...duh..but also fred and george!!! love them and favorite girl gryffindor is ginny...she always has been even before her and harry gopt together...

as for harry being head boy i doubt it i mean like broomstick (HI) said he would all ready have so much on his plate to be able to perform his head boy duties as well .

Yes, absolutely Fred and George, my favourite Gryffindors as they are totally different from all the other Gryffindors. They are amazing.
About the Head boy, it is a good question, i have never noticed that while i was reading the books. But i don't think Harry will be a head boy. He said he would not return to Hogwarts and even if he does, he won't be given more duties than he already has.

Now, I've got a question. At HBP, did Harry get back the HBP book? He had hidden it at the room of requirement (If that's how it is called in english) when Snape had asked to see all of his books. But I can't remember if he ever got it back. Please, help me! I need that info for a fanfic I'm writing and i'm too lazy to look it up myself................!

Harry has left his potions book in the Room of Requirement and didn't get it back. At the close of HBP, there's a scene in which Hermione admonishes Harry to leave the book in there, and Harry says to her it's useful and that he is going to get it back as soon as he has a chance and it's safe.

There is a thread about this subject here ==> The Infamous Potions Book

What does MM "know" he has on his plate? I mean she knows that he's always finding trouble and that usually somehow its for the best in the end but she doesn't know about the prophecy or the horcruxes. For her I don't know why she wouldn't pick him if she thought he was the best choice. All she knows is that Harry was with DD before he died and that's it, and that Harry won't even tell the Minister what they were up to. I think if she doesn't pick him it will be because of his Ministry quarrels and because he isn't coming back before she decides it because he's too busy. She won't see him as any busier than any other NEWT student until it's too late.

Gryffindor is really esentiual to the Harry Potter plot so in book 7 i can see it coming into play more than ever. I mean is it a coinciedence that Harry's parents lived in Godric Hollow or is it important? I think it will be important.
Harry, i think is connected to Godric, for one he could pull Godric sorwd out of the hat in COS. Dumbledore said that it takes a true Gryffindor, to pull that out of the hat. So Godric could really be realated to Harry!

I think Harry's courage which makes him a true Gryffindor is what enabled him to pull the sword out of the hat. However there are so many similarities to the King Arthur legends that it would not surprise me if Godric Gryffindor was related to King Arthur and it would also not surprise me to learn that maybe Harry is a reincarnation of Godric. That would put a new spin on the heir of the house thread.

on the topic of james being headboy... i think hagrid could have Made that up to make harry feel better or something like that. we all ready know he wasn't completely honest in saying that all dark wizard came out of slytherin. he might of just made it look like james was a better guy than he really was in school. not to say that james hasn't always been a great guy but he acted more like the weasley twins turning his first 5 years of school.

James was a good guy, but Snape was there, and they hated eachother, Harrys a good guy, but there is always obstacles in life and Harrys obstacles are Draco, Snape and Voldemort, and James' were Snape.

Spencer, I am not sure what you are trying to say. What is your point about obstacles? Do you mean obstacles to becoming Head Boy?

I think that Harry is the only choice for Head Boy. Whatever he said at the end of Half Blood Prince, he is going back to Hogwarts. He made a rash decision which he will change over the summer. I would be shocked otherwise. McGonagall would choose Harry as Head Boy because the school will need a leader. With Dumbledore gone, many people will look for strength within the school. Harry, having fought Voldemort several times, will be viewed as providing that strength and security. It is an unjust assumption, but in times of crisis people will make irrational decisions.

Little brother, I agree with you on Harry's seventh year. (Eye of the Snake is my younger brother.) Many people will look at Harry as the one to protect them against Voldemort. Everyone in the wizarding world knows Harry's story. The teachers know how close he was to Dumbledore, particularly McGonagall.

There is the obvious objection that Harry would need to leave the school to search for the horcruxes. Why couldn't someone (maybe Ron) fill in as Head Boy? Hogwarts is sure to undergo stress during the year. Scrimegour rightly thought that people will draw strength from Harry's presence. McGonagall would be a fool to not utilize this.

More pressing in my mind is who the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teahcer is. JK has said there will not be any new major characters. Presumably then, it will be someone we already know. I think that Harry needs a mentor to prepare him in battle. It makes sense to me that the DADA teacher should fill this role. I think Aberforth would be a good choice. We do not know much about him, but few people would doubt that he possess some of his brother's abilities.

Obstacles meaning.. hmm how should I explain, He has obstacles in his way to get to Head Boy, hes got horcruxes, hes got a relationship, hes got to worry about Snape and Draco, Harry is dealing with DD's death <--His Mentor-->. Thats what I mean by obstacles, there is to many tasks lying ahead for him to be the head boy, I hope that helps you.

Hasn't Harry shown that he can overcome obstacles though? Given all the events of his life, he is very resilient. Staying normal while living with the Dursleys was no small feat. Then you have year one, year two, year three, year four, blah blah blah. Harry never crumbles under the pressure. The closest he has come was when Sirius died, which was the greatest loss he had ever experienced. Even then, you see that he was able to fight through despair. Why is it that the typical Harry Potter life would stop him from being Head Boy?

i most disagre with you eye of the snake. harry made the only decision he could especially considering he has to defeat voldemort by the end of book seven. he has to find 3 horcruxes that could be anywhere, nargini whom is most likely where ever voldemort is, and most importantly voldemort himself. not to mention the 50-50% chance of harry being killed off in the end.

and After the Burial none of your predictions make sense. ron couldn't "step in" as head boy because where ever harry goes ron and hermione will follow(hbp page 651 US edition). and harry's getting to the age where he must rely on his own strength and wisdom. true ron and hermione will help him along the way but no mentor could possibly prepare him for whats he's about to go though. mostly because his two best friends are the only ones who know what he's about to go though.

i believe that james was never head boy and neither harry nor ron will become head boy either.

I believe that the only reason Harry isn't Head Boy because Dumbledore trusted Harry with something even more important than Hogwarts itself - defeating Voldemort. And I believe that McGonagall will respect that after Dumbledore has passed...

Ron and Hermione will want to follow Harry. That does not mean that he will let them. Harry is the type of person that would try to shoulder the weight of the search on his own. I don't think that he can do it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Harry tried it anyhow. It was clear at the end of HBP that this was his original intention.

Finding possible locations for a horcrux would be the most difficult aspect. As it was said, they can be anywhere. Do you really think Harry is going to just wander about the country hoping to find one? He will need to brainstorm and research. While he is doing this, why couldn't he return to Hogwarts?

When I said that Ron could fill in for Harry, I meant that he could do the duties of the Head Boy. Hogwarts, if it reopens, will be faced with very unique circumstances. Why is it that unique solutions cannot be found?

Harry would be easily killed by Voldemort if he were to face him right now. Harry has only escaped Voldemort by luck and Voldemort's errors. Harry proved that he was no match for Snape. Voldemort is more powerful than Snape. Thus, right now, Harry is no match for Voldemort. Before Harry can defeat Voldemort, he must become a better wizard. He will need to learn Occlumency. Someone will need to teach it to Harry. This is a mentor.

James was Head Boy. I doubt that everyone would lie to Harry about whether or not his father was a Head Boy.

when you put it that way your ideas make sense. i don't agree with them but i must admit they are very well thought out. and if you pay enough attention you can tell that harry never agreed to having ron and hermione come with him. as for harry needing any sort of training i believe that he will aquirer the skills he needs in his such for the remaining horcruxes. and wormtail still has i dept to repay.

Sorry for how terrbible this reads but my computer hates me right now Peter does have a debt to repay but I wonder if he will ever have that chance I dont think that Voldemort trusts him at all I am unsure if he will ever be put in a situation to save Harrys life I trust that JK will give him that chance I only wonder if Voldemort will

I don't believe Harry will return to Hogwarts as a student but I do believe he will return to use the library and to gather things. Dumbledore has a portrait and as long as it doesn't have a permanent sticking charm on it I don't see why Harry couldn't take it with him. Also, I think Harry would want to make use of Dumbledore's personal library in his office. Dumbledore paced a lot in his office so it seems to me that he has pertinent information there.

i believe that wormtail will repay his dept. i think he will betry voldemort either by harry the location of one or more horcruxes or by giving harry the chance he needs to finish voldemort off in the last battle. i think Jo has done a great job in giving harry all he needs to defeat voldemort and that it will all come to play in book 7.

harry has peters dept, he knows that he can call falwks to him by showing true loyalty to DD, he also knows the basic for useing the unforgivable curses(truely wanting to cause some one pain, adding alot power behind it), and more but i can't list them all right now.