I guess this is closer to what I was tring to say in my last post...

Not that Harry needed to apoligize, cause you are right he really doesnt have anything to feel sorry for. Just wanted to clear that up.

Now the newest questions...
Is there ever an acceptable situation for someone in Griffendor to use Dark Magic?
What are some of the spells that could help Harry and the trio defeat Voldemort and the Death Eaters that are NOT Unforgiveable but could be considered "dark"?
Example: Sectumsempra.
I believe the only acceptable situation for anyone to use dark magic...would have to be life threating. Dark equals dangerous... to the heath or well being and because Im a victim of brutal teasing when I was a young one (Im not teased anymore) Id have to include hexes and jinxes yes they wouldnt be of any use against someone like LV or his DE but consider the damage this does to people at school age, it may be corrected by a healer but mentally it scars. Do I make sense?, for me it would be hard to draw a line between when it is okay to use any of these forms of magic. Dont get me wrong a person has a right to defend themself but drawing the line of defense is where this becomes hard...As for what might be usefull against LV they dont really give you a whole lot of backround in the books about dark magic so I could not even guess what might come in handy...Im going to stat babbeling If Im not already, so I guess thats all from me.

~This raises an interesting point then...What about what the Marauders, specifically James and Sirius, did to Snape while they were in school. They were hexing him left, right and center and none of it seemed to be life threatening at the moment. I am sure that at times things probably got heated and they really did seek one another out with the intent to hurt one another. Does this make us think any less of James and Sirius? Is it possible that part of the reason Snape is so nasty because of the way our beloved Gryffindors treated him in school?

Oh I hope this made some sort of sense.
~nevillesgirl

James and Sirius wanted to have attention..wanted to be famous and that's why they were hexing the unpopular Snape..left,right and centre.They actually had no reason to use hexes and jinxes.And Snape being nasty,yes one of the main reason is how badly he was treated at school..then his parents fighting..he was kind of depressed should have gone to a psychologist in childhood itself..

Congrats
Dan called him arrogent in something I either watched or read...mmm...well, he said it kinda in the passing-ish, and I remember it and got kinda annoyed. And, yeah I agree but for the parents thing, he's heard from everyone that were friends with his parents that they were 'the nicest people they'd ever met' or that they were brave and smart and all that, and the only negative things he's heard are from Death Eaters or Snape or Voldemort and stuff, so he probably felt even more that his parents were completly the opposite of what they said. Thats why he was so surprised after Snape's Worst Memory.

Anyways, I think that the Unforgivable Curses are rightly named, and like I said in another post,...here, I'll just paste it.

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It makes me wonder why the Unforgiveable Curses are so. Is it because they are so despicable or because you NEED a vicious intent behind them? Certainly, you could make a case for both. I lean toward both.

I know why I think..they have a whole bunch of other ways or curses or spells to defend themselves [torturing/killing/mind control isn't defense, it's attack]. Normal ppl just fight back using whatever they have they don't mean to kill or torture just to get away or whatever.
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But I think you're right anywayz. Especially in Neville's and Harry's position, they'd probably want to attack the person. Oh I just thought of something. Both Neville and Harry want to kill Bellatrix Lestrange. Who do you think's going to get her? Eh? I'd think Harry would let Neville if they had a choice, but I can't imagine her being cornered by them, so blah.

I totally agree with this statement...Harry could also use spells from his potions text-book from the Half-blod Prince

I dont think any less of James or Siruis...everyone does things they are ashamed of in school...even the poeple who get picked on and teased...If I remember correctly...In OotP after Harry views Snapes worst memory...He confronts Siruis and Sirius hangs his head in shame...which just makes me believe that James and siruis are just human. As far as, is this why Snape is so nasty...I believe the teasing while at school did play a major role...but we also have evidence, In PoA (Snapes Grude chap 14 in my book) that the marauders took teasing to an extream level...they almost killed Snape, granted James ends up saving Snapes life but had he not changed his mind...we could only guess what might have happened. Griffyndors are no exception to being human...every one has good and bad in them and everyone uses both. IMHO. .

No. I have done stupid stuff at schoo that I regret. stupid, stupid stuff so I think almost everyone is like that. Sirius has always been one of my fave characters.

That may be to a small extent, but it's like a couple of bricks in the CN tower. He was already obsessed with the Dark Arts and a jerk and kinda weird before he got to Hogwarts because if he wasn't he would'nt be unpopular.

Its true that snape would have to be a git to make a lot of people hate him...but in some of my experiences at school show me that when i popular and loved student finds and enemey or doesn't like some one alot of kids don't like them either...maybe they dont want to be uncool if seen talking to them.

On a interesting note did anyone else know that Hermione's last name was puckle before JKR changed it.

Loz

Yeah, I heard about that!
And Malfoy's was Spungen. HAH. Weirdness.

Soooo is it ever right to use wrong methods? Some would argue that the use of wrong methods, in this case dark magic, unforgivable curses etc. would make the user wrong, regardless of the intentions or of the final outcome. But Dark wizards seem to expect it. Note that Snape seemed to anticipate Harry's use of sectumsempra during the exit from hogwarts in book six. We will only know. Perhaps one of the big discussions with the Ootp will be whether one should use dark spells to attack dark wizards. It seems like its okay for aurors, because of the decrees of the ministry of magic, perhaps it would be okay for the noble house of Gryffindor also?

I guess that it is ok, or at least acceptable, for aurors to use some dark spells (including the unforgivable curses). In Goblet of Fire, Moody used them in front of his class. I don't think Crouch Jr. would have wanted to give away his position that easily, so it must be acceptable to some extent, if you know what I mean.

I was just wondering...I mean I know we have discussed the roles of individual characters who are in Gryffindor but have we ever discussed the exact role of Gryffidor as it applies to Hogwarts? What I mean is are the Gryffidors always liked and popular and good at Quidditch? Do Gryffidors always become Head Boy or Girl. Are the expectations higher for a Gryffidor then a person in another house to be successful?

If we have talked about this sorry, disregard.

~nevillesgirl

yeah, but Moody was actuaully Barty Crouch, a Death Eater. I thinkit would be okay, but only if needed. For example, if you want info and you use Crucio instead of Veritaserum, then that is unacceptable. But if, say, someone s about to send a Killing Curse, then sending one seconds before them is acceptable.

No,not like that!.Gryffindors..are good at Qudditch but even the other houses are good too!Gryffindors have been defeated!All the houses have equal expextations..they don't give any specific treatment or they don't think Gryffindor is a really important house.It's just that..since Harry is in Gryffindor we all feel that Gryffindor would top in all things..they do win the Qudditch cup..since Harry came to Hogwarts..but we don't know if gryffindor won the House cup since harry came all we know is that,the first year of harry,they got the house cup..so it doesn't mean that Gryffindor is top in everything and that expections are higher for a gryffindor..Maybe because harry is in Gryffindor..that's why they'll expecting from gryffindor.

Is there ever an acceptable situation for someone in Griffendor to use Dark Magic?
What are some of the spells that could help Harry and the trio defeat Voldemort and the Death Eaters that are NOT Unforgiveable but could be considered "dark"?
Example: Sectumsempra.

I don't believe you can make a right out of a wrong. In PoA, Harry stopped Remus and Sirius from killing Peter. As much as I am sure, Harry would have wanted Pettigrew dead, he knew it would be better for him to face the dementors than for two good people (who also happen to have been in Gryffindor) to use an Unforgivable Curse.

In the books, the use of Dark Magic isn't covered extensively. The focus is more on Defense against dark magic than on performing it. Moody (Barty Jr.) is the only one to have actually performed dark magic in front of students. If we talk about Dark Magic in terms of the Unforgivable Curses, then I have to say the only way I can it being acceptable is in a life threatening situation. If we are talking about Dark Magic in terms of hexes and jinxes, I have no problem with it. The trio and others (not just Gryffindors) have faced and will face situations where they have needed to fight fire with fire.

I suppose I was thinking of Durmstrang. Yes, I know that their Headmaster was a former DE who ratted out the Dark Lord's followers and that he had extensive experience in using Dark Magic. But he was supposed to be reformed now, seeing as he was a coward and fled when he felt his dark mark burn. However, he was instructing his pupils on how too perform the Dark Arts, not just defend against it...at least that is what Draco says in GoF.

So if the world is not broken up into good people and Death Eaters and we know that other schools are learning the Dark arts, It seems almost like the Hogwarts students are being handicapped in not knowing about the Dark Magic. I mean in order to know how to defend yourself one would need to understand the danger of that magic. So in this case, I think that Gryffindors and the other houses for that matter, should be taught the entire subject of the Dark arts.

Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry if it was a little hard to understand. Also, I said that Barty wouldn't have wanted to give away his disguise that easily by using the unforgivable curses, so it had to have been exceptable to some extent for an auror to use them.



Yeah, before Harry's first year, wasn't it like 7 years straight that Slytherin had won the house cup? So it had to have been a while since Gryffindor won that or the Quidditch Cup, we know at least that they hadn't won it since Oliver Wood was on the team.

I thought you'd meant since he LEFT for a second. *cackles*
*cough* Anyways. Why did Moody teach Harry how to FIGHT the Imperious..SP!. Imperious Curse? He's a Death Eater. And..GAH. He taught Harry a whole bunch of things that helped him [not counting the TriWizard Tournament thing]. And he told him he'd be a good Auror, and now he's going to be one. *confused/frustrated face* Hm?! What is this??
..Yeah, any idea why? He's some actor. All being encouraging and things.

Yeah thats right. I guess he was just trying to downplay the fact that he was a deatheater, not the real Moody. I think that Crouch Jr. probably had to study Moody for a little bit to see exactly how he acted. Either way, he did a really good job. Not even Dumbledore was too suspicious (until the Third Task).



That is an interesting point, and I agree with most of what you said. I think that it really depends upon the student at hand. Harry, for example, has never been enticed by the Dark Arts, and he has proven himself as a pretty good defender against it. One other thing is, if Hogwarts did start teaching the Dark Arts, I think that a good number of students would be drawn to it, and want to do more than just learn to defend it, therefore resulting in the loss of a lot of talent.

~This is where I was going with that thought...Harry absolutely is great at defense against the dark arts while never being enticed by it...so was Dumbledore, who was also in Gryffidor*whoop whoop*. My point is don't you think there would be others like them who could hold that ambition in check? Those who would like to learn the Dark arts but not be seduced enough by them to practice it? If this is the case, which I think it is, why not teach it? It may be helpful to everyone in the long run.

There are some students who could learn the Dark Arts but not use them. As the ghost teacher said (I have forgotten his name....the history teacher), just because a wizard doesn't use Dark magic, it doesn't mean he can't. However, there are student who would be tempted into using them. Several Slytherins would. I think others in any house would as well. The point is, why teach the Dark Arts when you know that some students are going to be drawn to it? Why teach a person to use evil? I personally do not think that greater, lasting good would come of it.

That is absolutely true, just because a wizard doesn't use magic doens't mean he can't-Professor Binns I think was his name. True, that ambition in Slytherin would have to be dealt with and it's not just Slytherin who could potentially love the dark arts...we know that members of the other houses have had it in with Voldemort too. (At least Gryffindor has) But on the whole I think it could be benefical for some of our Gryffindors to learn it. They are kind of stumbling upon it anyway...Sectumsempra and such. I mean the Cruciatus curse has been used on two Gryffidors already, Harry and Neville. Personally I feel it would be a lot better if the students were to learn it properly with restriction and restraint rather then what happened to Harry and Draco, where he performs a spell and has no idea what it is capable of doing and ends up really hurting someone or worse killing them without meaning too.

Harry's use of sectumsempra was due to ignoranc, not choice. Harry said himself that he would never have used it had he known what it did. Ginny, however, was glad that Harry had "something good up his sleeve." It would seem that Ginny could be swayed into using Dark Arts in the right scenario. I am certain that many others would do so as well.

Harry simply refused to use it because he needs to distinguish himself from Voldemort. At a glance they are so similar. Harry needed to distance himself in a profound way. The use of Dark Arts is one way of doing so.

~We may have to agree to disagree on this one...Harry was indeed ignorant about the use of Sectumsempra. I am suggesting that perhaps had he been educated on the different dark magic spells he could have made an informed choice about whether or not he wanted to use it. Not necessarily Sectumsempra because that was Snapes own invention and may not have been known by the Ministry or others. I think removing Harry from the ignorant category by educating him about the different spells gives him the chance to never use if-like you said.
Ginny is fiery and she seems to like to fight fire with fire. That may not mean that she could be swayed in the right senerio but maybe because she is emotional and feels things deeply--oh right... that is the right senerio. My bad.

I do agree that in Harry's case a way of distinguishing himself from the Dark Lord is by not using the dark arts. And while they are similar in so many ways, they have there differences that I think allow Harry the choice of not wanting any part of that lifestyle.

Okay, as I read through everybody's posts, I am having to revise some of my thoughts. You all make very good arguements for your point of view. I had stated in an earlier post I didn't think there would ever be a reason (except for life threatening situations) to use the dark arts or Unforgivable Curses. I am beginning to change my opinion.

I agree with you that education is needed on dark spells. However, the difficulty becomes how do you teach it without students using it (especially on each other).

I agree; Harry distinguishes himself by not using the dark arts. However, I don't think he is above using it. I'm not sure. Harry is highly emotional. Snape and McGonagall are always letting him know he needs to keep his emotions (especially his temper) under control. I think this is their way of getting him to keep himself in check so he doesn't use a dark arts curse intentionally.

I think we all agree Harry's use of sectumsempra was an act of ignorance. He had no clue what the spell would do, and at that point, no matter how much he hated Malfoy, he wouldn't have done something like that. However, after the end of HBP, things have changed. I think to some extent, we are going to see a completely different Harry in the last book (more focused, more intense, and possibly... not so disinclined to using a dark spell or two.)

As for Ginny, I have to wonder how much of a draw the dark arts seem after having been possessed by the most evil wizard of all time. Power is alluring and addictive. I think, like Harry, she fights the pull, but I also don't think she would have a problem performing a dark spell if the need arose.

But Harry did attempt to use the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in the MoM foyer, after she had "killed" Sirius. It is there that we learn that Harry didn't have the requisite attitude of "wanting to see suffering" or words to that effect. Righteous indignation, said Bellatrix, couldn't hurt for long. In his role as Mad-Eye Moody, Barty Couch Jr. even said that the whole classroom could shout "aveda kedavra" and it would maybe tickle him a little, or again, words to that effect.

Perhaps Gryffindors are too noble, generally, to have the requisite anger and hostility to make the unforgiveable curses effective. Would an education in the dark arts correct this? Should it?

~I also seem to remember Harry attempting to use the cruciatus curse a couple of times...Also in GoF in the graveyard against Voldemort who blocked it handily. (or maybe that was just in the movie?) I'll have to check. So I was just wondering if he also is trying to fight fire with fire and realizing it doesn't work for him because he does have a righteous anger when trying to perform them and not actual hate or wanting to cause pain or death. Does that make sense.
~The other question this poses is about Peter Pettigrew...Yes he is vermin in most of our sights however he was most definately sorted into Gryffindor and the Sorting Hat has never been wrong yet. So saying Gryffindors are too noble may not be that accurate. Who was Peter angry at when he killed Cedric? Education cannot correct character...those in Gryffindor who are not noble in charcter will make the choice to use the dark arts no matter what, those who are noble can refrain if they choose.

Wormtail I think is angry at himself he is a coward and choose the wrong side. He started off as part of the maurauders( an intelligent and powerfull group) and progressed the Death Eaters( a bigger intelligent and powerfull/ not better group). I think he was misguided by his thirst to fit in anywhere...does that make sense?. I believe he was placed in the right house but the sorting hat could not know that he would make the wrong desicions later in life he posessed the qualities of Gryffendor when he began but chose to change his path later in life what I am trying to say is, Gryffindor is a house of nobel and brave honest and true people, but poeple change. It all comes down to choice and freewill, no one could be forced to use dark arts, and those who do use dark arts have the choice not to.

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But Harry did attempt to use the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in the MoM foyer, after she had "killed" Sirius. It is there that we learn that Harry didn't have the requisite attitude of "wanting to see suffering" or words to that effect. Righteous indignation, said Bellatrix, couldn't hurt for long. In his role as Mad-Eye Moody, Barty Couch Jr. even said that the whole classroom could shout "aveda kedavra" and it would maybe tickle him a little, or again, words to that effect.

Perhaps Gryffindors are too noble, generally, to have the requisite anger and hostility to make the unforgiveable curses effective. Would an education in the dark arts correct this? Should it?
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I had forgotten that he did try that in the MoM. Thank you for reminding me. With that being brought out, I have to, once again, rethink this. With these thoughts in mind, there doesn't appear to be an obvious reason to not be teaching the dark arts. If, in order for them to be effective you have to mean it, then I think a large majority of the students could learn them but not be able to use them. As for the others, they are going to learn them anyway (probably from their parents - if they don't know most of them already). I'm just not sure about teaching it, though. There is that part of me that says "play with fire and you're going to get burned." I think I have to stay with it's not a good idea.

~Shucks...I really thought you were converted. lol anyways, I do agree at this point that there really is no reason not to be teaching the Dark Arts, especially since most of the students lack the effective means to actually perform the spells. Like I said previously, some of the students are going to stumble across these spells anyway, I would rather them learn it properly before they hurt someone.
As for the last part, true if you play with fire you are going to get burned, but what about kids like Neville who have not played with "fire" and still got burned with the Cruciatus?

That could be effective. I think that you would have to approach the matter very delicately though, as it is the future of the student at hand that is on the line. The proffesor teaching would have to help the student understand which situations would be acceptable (if any, this just brings us back to the beginning of our discussion!), and the consequenses that could follow.



That brings up a completely different point. Neville's case is a very special one, I think. What was done to his parents was unacceptable, and deserves reprimand. I am anxious to see what Neville will do when confronted with the situation, and how he will handle Bellatrix (that is, if they do meet).

I like to think Neville will find his strengh in the Deathly Hollows and gives Bellatix a taste of her own medicine. This is actually what I have based my fanfic on its only just begun you should check it out and let me know what you think,there is a link in my signature....I know Im so Ill just leave it at that.

Get her Neville!

The trouble with teaching dark arts is the possibility that someone will be seduced by the power it offers. Dumbledore is not willing to risk it. I think most people in the wizarding world agree with him.

Are his beliefs misguided? That is a personal decision. Many of you have made your opinions clear on that.



This is interesting in that it brings to mind punishment. What is suitable punishment for an act that is unforgiveable. I do not wish to start a capital punishment debate. There is a thread for that. But, it is justifiable for someone (Neville?) to use an unforgiveable curse as retribution or punishment? If something like that did happen, would it change your opinion of the character?

Yes, I would start to think that neville would be more "evil" instead of nice and trusting. It would surprise me if the (so far) quiet and soft neville tried to kill someone, even if that someone killed his parents! I would probably talk to someone. Nevill, i think, would talk to harry or one of his close friends before killing someone. You must remember, Neville, the boy who would forget the passward, neville, who failed in many classes, Neville, (as barty crouch jr says) The witless wonder. Do you think the neville longbottom we all know and love could kill someone? I very highly dought it! What do you think?

I don't think Neville would deliberately murder a person. In battle...I don't know. He could cause a person's death, but not intend to do it. Honestly, I would understand if Neville were to use the Cruciatus Curse on Bellatrix. I think Neville believes she deserves that and worse. I don't think that Neville would do it though. He is better than Bellatrix. I don't think he could take pleasure in causing someone pain like he has felt.

I agree, I don't think that Neville is the type of person who would diliberately try to kill someone. But who knows, he very well could. I also agree that he will not put the Cruciatus Curse on Bellatrix, like you said After the Burial, Neville is better than Bellatrix.

Oh I don't know about this. I don't think it would change my opionion of Neville. When Harry attempted to use the Cruciatus Curse on Voldemort and also Bellatrix I never stopped admiring his courage and determination. I saw him exactly the same as before except with a little more anger and hate in him. What he needs is to control those emotions and use it as passion to fight Voldemort...not just try to curse him because he is angry.

I still think Neville would be someone who is nice and trusting. I think the difference would be he is gaining some confidence. He will talk to Harry because who else can understand what Neville is feeling? Neville is outgrowing that boy who used to forget the password and had embarressing moments in class. During OOTP he was determined to do well in the D.A meetings because he knew his parents torturer had just escaped Azkaban. No one except for Hermione did better then him. I think Neville has a good head on his shoulders and will have a chance to prove that in book 7. He has already shown us he is brave.

Oh my what a ramble...
~nevillesgirl

I know he is better than Bellatrix..and if he uses Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix..he would come down to the level Bellatrix is now..there would be no difference between them..but still wouldn't he have the smae anger that Harry had when Sirius was killed??..Neville grew with the truth that Bellatrix tortured his parents to insane..wouldn't he want revenge as Harry would want with LV??.I didn't mean he would intend to kill Bella..but he would want to do something to her..wouldn't he??

Yeah, I think Neville would do something...I don't know what, he doesn't seem to be the type of person who would do something so durastic as an Unforgivable Curse. Again, I don't know what...As for him and being as mad as Harry, I don't think he has that raw hatred that Harry does for revenge.

I think that the anger and hatred has grown inside of Neville as time has passed. When he was growing up with his Gran, he probably didn't understand exactly what an Unforgivable Curse was, or why it was so unforgivable. Now that he's come face to face with the person who put his parents in the state they are in, I think that it has become somewhat of a raw hatred, kind of like Harry has for Voldemort, though maybe not to that extent.

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I know he is better than Bellatrix..and if he uses Cruciatus curse on Bellatrix..he would come down to the level Bellatrix is now..there would be no difference between them

Pheonix92 I didnt mean to single you out but alot of people have said something along these lines and I just wanted to comment on it...
I deffinetly dont agree that using an unforgivable curse brings Neville to Bellatrix's level she enjoys torture and killing she is evil. If Nevill did use an unforgivable cruse I think it would be a single use type of thing and He would put alot of though into it first. I dont think he would run pell mell into the world flining unforgivable cruses at inoccent people just for fun. There is a definte distinction between the two, it does not make him evil.

I also wonder why is it okay for Harry who has now tried twice to use an unforgivable curse in his rage and not okay for Neville to use it for his? We have a preconceived notion of what Neville is...

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You must remember, Neville, the boy who would forget the passward, neville, who failed in many classes, Neville, (as barty crouch jr says) The witless wonder. Do you think the neville longbottom we all know and love could kill someone?

But if this is what Neville is then why was he placed in Gryffendor...would he not be better suted for Huffelpuff?? I think Neville always had some hatred and rage in him but unlike Harry had years to come to grips with what had happened to his parents. He was never lied to or cheated from. So I ask again why is it okay for Harry and not for Neville to use an unforgivable curse? I personally think he is just as intiltled to rage against those who have destroyed his family just as Harry will destroy the one who destroted his.
If that makes sense...this is just my opinion.

Alright, I definitely have not been on this thread in FAR TOO long, but I've grasped what we're talking about and have an opinion on it.

*Love_me_Amortentia* brings up a good point by asking why it's okay for Harry to do certain things, and not for Neville. I think that it's okay for both of them to do whatever they please, but for certain things it's more acceptable to see Harry doing it. It works the other way around too- I don't expect to see Harry coming up with a brilliant plan concerning plants in the near future.

That's just what I had to say on the subject... Yeah.

I don't think so. Neville grew up with his Gran, who I am certain made Neville absolutely aware of his parents when he was very young. Neville grew up seeing what an Unforgiveable Curse did to his parents. More than anyone, Neville knows why the Cruciatus Curse is unforgiveable. I think he knows this more than Harry. Neville has lived with his parents' condition thrown in his face when he was very young. Harry never knew, to paraphrase Dumbledore, until he was ready.

I feel that Neville is more calm and collected than Harry. I find it hard to imagine Neville bursting forth with anger as readily as Harry. I don't imagine Neville taking pleasure from using an unforgiveable, but he could use one. I don't think it would make me think any less of him, either.

~I just want to add that not only is Neville painfully aware of the effects of the Cruciatus Curse due to seeing his parents every holiday, but now Neville also knows what if feels like and what it takes to produce it. In some way I think that because Neville grew up with the knowledge of his parents condition from a young age, he may be stronger then even he knows. Like you said, Harry didn't find out a lot of things until DD thought he was ready.
~Also the comment about Nevilles temperament is important I feel. Harry is a bit of a loose cannon unless he has been able to somehow control his anger. Neville has shown us snipets of his anger in a controlled way by what he does...practicing extra hard in the D.A (because he has a focus for the anger) and also in the conversations he has during the battle at the MoM in Order of the Pheonix. This makes Neville a valuable part to Book 7 because he is not going to readily attack in anger but plan and calculate every move he makes. I can't wait to see how book 7 really develops his character.
~nevillesgirl

Nevillesgirl - I agree with you completely. In book 6, we saw Neville begin to come into his own. He is better able to control his emotions and thereby plan better. He's not going to go off "half-cocked" into danger, and I agree I think he will have a bigger role in DH. I can't wait to see because he has become one of my favorite characters.

Anyway, I would love to see Neville get angry. I mean, we have seen little pieces but then he gets it under control. I would lilke to see him get angry and unleash that energy because I think he can focus it. After all, he's had years to think about it - his parents. I think he would love to pay Bellatrix back.

It's ok..*Love_me_Amortentia*..what i wanted to say is that he too will have the rage as Harry has and he would avenge his parents's condition..I didn't mean that Nevile would turn bad and act like Bella..I agree with fact that..he would avenge and that's what I said!! ..must have confused..

Yeah, you're right. What I said doesn't really make sense. I'm sure that his Grandmother told him about it.

My last post was incorrect in most ways, but I was trying to get a different point across too, one that may have some merit. I was trying to say that as Neville has matured, so has his realization of the horrible thing that happened to his parents. And now, since he saw that his parents' tormentor had escaped from Azkaban and has come face to face with Bellatrix, his hatred and anger have augmented to the point that he will want revenge, causing him to really focus and exceed in the D.A., and everything else too.

I agree wth Nevillesgirl and hterry1969. Neville will definately have a bigger role in Deathly Hallows.

Neville will play a bigger role and he probably show just how good a wizard he is. I bet you that if there is a big final battle, one of hte individual matchups would be Nville vs. The Insane frerak: Bellatrix Lestrange