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Aethonon
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I was trying to say that as Neville has matured, so has his realization of the horrible thing that happened to his parents. And now, since he saw that his parents' tormentor had escaped from Azkaban and has come face to face with Bellatrix, his hatred and anger have augmented to the point that he will want revenge, causing him to really focus and exceed in the D.A., and everything else too.


Witherwings09, I see that happening, too! A lot of kids who are timid and unsure really come into their own when they are grown. And as Neville will be of age shortly before Harry, I do think his confidence will surge. After all, he's grown up hearing about what a great Auror his dad was, and it doesn't seem to me that talent skips generations much in the magical world. His talent is there, it's just been held down by his insecurities, especially when he's being taught by Snape!

Neville is a prime example of how a negative environment can wound a child to the point where he has trouble reaching his potential. Being with Harry in the DoM, I'm sure, coming forward like that, being part of something so big (and doing well!),must have had a profound effect on Neville. He's an important part of something big, and he knows people are depending upon him. I'll think he'll break out in the last book and surprise them all!
nevillesgirl
I thought I would ask a question since it seems like we can all pretty much agree that Neville is going to play a bigger role in book 7.

What do you think the role of The Weasley Twins will be in Deathly Hallows? What would you like to see happen with their characters in book 7? What would it take to get Fred and George involved in fight against Voldemort?

~I will start by saying that I love Fred and George. From the moment they played that prank on their own mother at the platform about not knowing which one was which, I was hooked on them.

I loved that JKR introduced the joke shop during OOTP. I thought it opened up a whole new realm of possibilities for the boys to bring laughter and joking to the wizarding world. I was somewhat disappointed though during my reading of HBP. They were practically non existent. True they never had such big parts in the movies, but the book did give them more to do. I am hoping that our little pranksters will have a bigger part in DH then they did in HBP.
I think that knowing that there product-the peruvian darkness powder was used in Draco's infiltration of Hogwarts will have the twins itching to get involved. I think they may be suffering from some sort of guilt that Draco used there own invention to sneak Death Eaters into the castle and that somehow that was indirectly linked to Dumbledore dying. I don't know, maybe I'm way off base here.

What do you think?
Aguamenti353
QUOTE(nevillesgirl @ Apr 29 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]379587[/snapback]

What do you think the role of The Weasley Twins will be in Deathly Hallows? What would you like to see happen with their characters in book 7? What would it take to get Fred and George involved in fight against Voldemort?


Hmm.. well hopefully they will be really involved, as they are my two favorite characters, and I'd love to see more of them. Personally, since they have their shop and they were talking about all those anti-jinx products they have, I'm guessing that will come into play a lot with them supplying the Order with them. I also agree with nevillesgirl, they do probably feel guilty about what happened with their Darkness Powder, and I guarantee they will be watching out for who buys their products.

I think for them to fight Voldemort, their family would have to be threatened. They seem very protective and loyal, particularly towards their mother (and who wouldn't be!) i.e. back when Percy left. So if they felt their family was threatened, more so than usual....I can seem the joining the fight. And maybe it'll take less than that. Who knows? smile.gif
After the Burial
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I bet you that if there is a big final battle, one of hte individual matchups would be Nville vs. The Insane frerak: Bellatrix Lestrange


Oh, I expect that particular matchup to happen before the final battle. I think it would be about half-way through the book.

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I was somewhat disappointed though during my reading of HBP. [Fred and George] were practically non existent.


HBP was centered at events and people in Hogwarts. Fred and George are no longer students. You cannot expect them to have large roles in that situation.

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What do you think the role of The Weasley Twins will be in Deathly Hallows? What would you like to see happen with their characters in book 7? What would it take to get Fred and George involved in fight against Voldemort?


They are now 19. They have been out of school for two years. Why weren't they allowed to join the Order in OotP? They were not out of school. I think they are going to be the two newest members of the Order. What they will have to do as member remains to be seen.
padfootx3
Is this a gryffindor thread of a neville thread cuz practically this whole page is about neville?
Aethonon
padfootx3, just FYI--one-liners, and netspeak (cuz) are against VTM rules. Just something to consider before taking others to task. wink.gif

As far as Neville is concerned, the topic has shifted from him, though it certainly was proper to speak of him here, as he is a Gryffindor and this is the Gryffindor House thread.

And for the Weasley Twins, I hope and pray they will be back in DH! They are so fun and always seem to find a way to lighten things up. And yet, when push comes to shove, as Aguamenti353 states, they are very loyal and fight fiercely! Perhaps for the twins, concentrating on making money and expanding their business has been a viable escape from the constant fear Voldemort invokes in everyone. But they will have Harry's back if he needs them!
nevillesgirl
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I was somewhat disappointed though during my reading of HBP. [Fred and George] were practically non existent.


HBP was centered at events and people in Hogwarts. Fred and George are no longer students. You cannot expect them to have large roles in that situation.

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What do you think the role of The Weasley Twins will be in Deathly Hallows? What would you like to see happen with their characters in book 7? What would it take to get Fred and George involved in fight against Voldemort?


They are now 19. They have been out of school for two years. Why weren't they allowed to join the Order in OotP? They were not out of school. I think they are going to be the two newest members of the Order. What they will have to do as member remains to be seen.

~Actually, I don't think I expected them to have large roles in HBP, I was just a bit disappointed that they weren't as involved as I would have liked them to be. JKR knows what she is doing but the twins are such a crowd favorite. I especially would have liked a little more joking and pranks because things were so serious at Hogwarts for most of the year. I felt the school was missing that with them gone.

I don't think Fred and George were allowed to join the order even though they were of age because in OOTP, they were still in school. Like you, After the Burial, I too would expect them to join the Order of the Phoenix now that they are out of school and businessmen.
hterry1969
I have to say, I think the Twins' role will be a bit bigger in Book 7. There is the incidence with the peruvian darkenss powder being used not for the purpose the twins had anticipated. They will be feeling guilty about that and wanting some payback. They were also real keen to join the order in OoTP but were not allowed to join, even though they were of age, because they were still in school. Only witches/wizards who are of age and out of school are eligible to join. So, I do think they will be part of the Order in Book 7. Also, they have never shied from a fight, so I don't think that is an issue. Also, since a good number of their family is in the order they will want to join and fight because being in the order puts them all in danger.
After the Burial
I wonder what role they would serve in the Order, though. They are still so young. I would not be surprised if they were inducted into the Order, but were not made field agents. They could be eyes and ears, but I don't see Lupin (or whoever will be in charge) sending the twins on dangerous mission. I think the older wizards might think they do not fully understand the risks. Making them wait a little while would help show the risk of missions to them.
nevillesgirl
I can understand about the responsibility for the twins as they are so young. I think that having them delay in any mission they would show the risk of the mission and let's face it, things are going to get extremely dangerous now. I can't help but think that the marauders were young when they first joined the order too. There must be something they can do. Any ideas on what that would be?
Fidelis
First of all, hello to everyone, as this is my first time posting on this thread smile.gif

As for the twins joining the order, i have to say that i'm surprised thay they haven't joined the order yet, and i certainly expect it to happpen in DH. I mean they are of age, and as nevillesgirl said, the Marauders were thier age, if not even a year younger than them when they joined the Order. Fact is that the Order is going to need all the possible help it can get, what with DD dead and the final war edging closer, and the twins will be in my oppinion of great help.

Furthermore, i assume that Harry, Ron and Hermione are going to want to join as well. The order probably won't be too enthusiastic about them joining (esp. Molly), considering that they should technically be still in school, but i think that in the end they will join. After all they will all be of age at the end of the summer, and moreover they have proven to be exceptionally talanted and with great potential, even at their young age, and that will be much needed to the order as well.
hterry1969
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I wonder what role they would serve in the Order, though. They are still so young. I would not be surprised if they were inducted into the Order, but were not made field agents. They could be eyes and ears, but I don't see Lupin (or whoever will be in charge) sending the twins on dangerous mission. I think the older wizards might think they do not fully understand the risks. Making them wait a little while would help show the risk of missions to them.


I have to agree with you that they probably would not be sent out as field agents. However, we do know they are very creative and good at inventing things. I think this is where their expertise could be helpful. Finding ways around traps, sneaking and the like. I mean, let's face it, the twins were experts while they were at school. I believe their kind of mischief can be very useful to the Order for creating distractions and sending DEs on a wild goose chase. I disagree that they don't understand how dangerous it is. They have grown up in the wizarding world with the stories of LV. They have seen the results at the end of HBP, and I think they will be very keen to join and can be useful.
*Love_me_Amortentia*
What do you think the role of The Weasley Twins will be in Deathly Hallows? What would you like to see happen with their characters in book 7? What would it take to get Fred and George involved in fight against Voldemort?
I agree with what most of you said. I think they will have be inducted into the Order by now. I think they use exceptional magic in thier work and the Order could put it to use, and again like most of you have said I think they will be at an advantage for spying now that they have realized what there products were being used for they could report to the Order any suspicous activities. They are already proving to produce very usefull things... didnt they create a whole line of shield stuff for the MoM ( ie hats gloves cloaks??) Correcty me if Im wrong but Im pretty sure they did. I think they have proved that they are ready for bigger and better things than just joking and pranking...dont get me wrong I dont think they will give it up either but they may tone it down in light of recent events.
After the Burial
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I disagree that they don't understand how dangerous it is. They have grown up in the wizarding world with the stories of LV. They have seen the results at the end of HBP, and I think they will be very keen to join and can be useful.


I never meant to imply that they did not know the danger and risks. I think they understand it fully. I was saying that I believed some of the older wizards would think Fred and George would not understand the risks. I have noticed that the expertise that comes with age often underestimates youth because of undue caution.
nevillesgirl
So we figure that the twins most likely will be inducted into the Order now that they are of age and out of school. I have been thinking about some of the things they could do for the Order.
I was thinking that they could use there joke shop as kind of a base of operations for "stuff" to com through for the Order. I mean, they would have access to some of the more dangerous ingredients for their stuff right and wouldn't need to go through someone like Mundungus, althought they still could if they wanted to. But that would be a good cover for say a shippment of invisibility cloaks right? Or am I just one to many hits with the dragon wacko.gif
What about developing items directly for the Order? What could they develop that the Order could use and could be harmful to Voldemort. I thought the peruvian darkness powder was a good idea except it got into Draco's hands first.

Help me out. smile.gif
hterry1969
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I disagree that they don't understand how dangerous it is. They have grown up in the wizarding world with the stories of LV. They have seen the results at the end of HBP, and I think they will be very keen to join and can be useful.


I never meant to imply that they did not know the danger and risks. I think they understand it fully. I was saying that I believed some of the older wizards would think Fred and George would not understand the risks. I have noticed that the expertise that comes with age often underestimates youth because of undue caution.


You are absolutely right - I apologize - blush.gif My only excuse is it was still very early for me, and I had not had my first cup of coffee yet -

Now that I have had my coffee, let me try this again happy.gif I agree - the older members tend to be (I think) over protective. These kids are very clever and have already faced quite a bit just by being friends with Harry. I believe they are ready for the Order - just don't know if the Order is ready for them. I know Molly will have a hard time with it - Anyway...umm...gotta go - people are coming in the office. mad.gif
After the Burial
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What about developing items directly for the Order? What could they develop that the Order could use and could be harmful to Voldemort. thought the peruvian darkness powder was a good idea except it got into Draco's hands first.


They did not invent it, they merely trafficked it into Britain. Some of their other inventions...the shield objects for instance...those could be useful. I would wear one all the time. You never know when someone might try to jinx you.

They could develop new items, but they usually take a long time to perfect. Right now they do not know what the Order needs. Fred and George won't start making random objects in the hope that the Order needs it.
gin4ever
Hello Everybody *waves* ! I am new here ! Kisse to all Gryffindors !

Fred and George are brilliant wizards anyway! They don't need to develop new items,to help the Order ! Any help they can get is good ! Is the third war!!!
And about Harry , Ron and Hermione joining in ....I think that they already are but Unofficial!!
After the Burial
The trio certainly live the same spirit of fighting Voldemort. In that sense they are unofficial members of the Order. I think it is important to remember that there is a long distance between official and unofficial members, though. In OotP we saw how much Dumbledore tried to keep from Harry, only to see the complete opposite in HBP.
witherwings09
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In OotP we saw how much Dumbledore tried to keep from Harry, only to see the complete opposite in HBP.


This is true. In OotP, the Trio, Fred and George, and Ginny had to settle for the usage of Extendable Ears for their source of information, and in HBP, it is almost the exact opposite.

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The trio certainly live the same spirit of fighting Voldemort. In that sense they are unofficial members of the Order. I think it is important to remember that there is a long distance between official and unofficial members, though.


Does this mean that people such as Neville, Luna, Seamus, Susan Bones, and other students who share the same spirit of wanting to fight Voldemort are unofficial members of the Order too? I think so. In Essence, the Order is everyone who wants to see the downfall of Voldemort and his Death Eaters. The only difference between official members and unofficial members is the amount of information they have.
robbie1955
Maybe this has already been said. However the twins should have a tremendous role in developing new items useful to the order. They already have "disappearing" suits (isn't that what they were selling to the ministry?) I think those fertile brains could be put to all manner of uses. Instead of "fake" wands, they could create mischievious wands and seed them among the bad guys. The unleashing of the brothers Weasley could be magnificent!
Potterfan7
Fred and George I think are ready to take on a challenge. I think that DD's death will dawn upon them that there is a war going on and that they need to get their act together. They are very abled wizards and if they set their minds to it I am sure they would be a lot of help for the Order. I am not sure what position Molly would take on them joining the Order but I guess even she must realize that they are no longer safe by just sit around do nothing and stay out of trouble. They are connected to Harry and as Harry says "trouble usually comes to me" now that Voldemort is out and about is only time for real trouble to come towards the twins.
carmen2010
I agree with Potterfan. Molly has already been over ruled. She is forced to let the twins, Ron and Hermione stay and listen when the OOTP are filling Harry in. I do not think they would have done so if they felt that any of them were not able to deal with the information that was given. Sorry if it doesnt make much sense...it's early!
nevillesgirl
If anyone else has anything else to add on the subject of Fred and George Weasley please keep posting on that topic. For everyone else I think I will ask a question. Was Hagrid in Gryffindor? I can't seem to find any proof that he was, although in Sorcerer's Stone he makes an interesting quote here.

"School houses. There's four. Everyone says Hufflepuff are a lot of duffers, but-" (pg 80)
Then he gets cut off by Harry who says he will probably end up in Hufflepuff. Anyways, was Hagrid in Hufflepuff or Gryffindor? I am assuming he is a Gryffindor so we can discuss him here.
I just ask becuase he has been aquitted on all charges that he murdered that girl back when he was a third year so would it be beneficial for Hagrid to go back to school and finish his education? What do you guys think. I mean, it might be weird for him since he is a professor now and all.
carmen2010
I never thought of that. I think I always assumed that he was in Gryffindor. I think it would be beneficial for Hagrid to go back to school. I think if he was aquitted of all charges and if DD and the rest of the staff trusts him then he should be able to properly finish his education and be able to offically do magic.
LadyCakeage
Hey...wait a second dry.gif
Why didn't Hagrid go back to school? Does that mean that Harry, Ron, and Hermione won't be able to come back to Hogwarts a year late if they do get rid of the Horuxes and Voldy and all that? I know that one of the Slytherins had to repeat a grade...maybe he could get tutoring *cackles* Like private teachers. I don't think that you can get home schooled when it comes to magic sence it's illigal and all...do you think Merope/Morfin did then blink.gif?..
carmen2010
I hope they will be able to go back. It would be awful if they didnt get to complete their schooling. As for Merope and Morfin I'm not sure about their situation. I guess I always assumed they went to Hogwarts. It would explain why Merope I had trouble fixing the pot. On the other hand she has lived a bad life and that is reflected through her inability to perform simple spells.
witherwings09
was Hagrid in Hufflepuff or Gryffindor?

I guess I just always assumed that he was in Gryffindor. I mean, even all of the Harry Potter websites and such have him as being a Gryffindor, but did it ever mention it in the book? I can't seem to recall anything on that, but I know that Hagrid would definitely fit into both Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. As for him going back to school, it probably would be beneficial, but I think that he will still be able to get by alright on what he knows. He probably would want to go back and learn more, though.

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As for Merope and Morfin I'm not sure about their situation. I guess I always assumed they went to Hogwarts. It would explain why Merope I had trouble fixing the pot.


It would be conceivable if Marvolo had not sent them to school. He probably was horrified with the way things were going at Hogwarts, with all the muggle-born witches and wizards being taught there. He would have wanted to shield his children from what he thought was a disgrace to the name of wizard, so he just didn't send them in.

carmen2010
This makes a lot of sense. I can totally see him not sending them because of the whole ancestory thing and his hate towards muggle-born witches/wizards. But Merope was able to put Riddle under a love potion, i do not think she learned that from her father. this is a very interesting question.
Lord Jak
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Why didn't Hagrid go back to school?


Hagrid was kicked out of school because they thought he was the one who released the horrible monster upon them which disappeared once Hagrid was gone. Because of that, Hagrid wasn't allowed to return as a student though (thanks to DD) he became a groundkeeper or sorts and later a teacher.
LadyCakeage
No no, not that. I mean...I thought that after he was cleared of the charges he might've come back as a sort of student shy.gif you know..There's not any Wizarding colleges so it seems like he'd be allright to be allowed to be taught with the students. *confused* He's allowed to do magic now right [he was cleared of charges after CoS, right?]..so he can get a proper wand now and everything? I think Hagrid should..continue being tutored or something so that he can learn to be a proper wizard. He can protect himself better....Hagrid seems like the hufflepuff type I think, except that he's really..bold/brave..Hufflepuffs are loyal too, but Hagrid attacked Karkaroff for insulting Dumbledore, so I think that's a little different. I'm not sure the whole animal obsession is that important with Hufflepuff maybe...[Charlie=Gryffindor, and Hagrid said he was great with animals. and the whole dragon thing]..Ah well.
nevillesgirl
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Hagrid was kicked out of school because they thought he was the one who released the horrible monster upon them which disappeared once Hagrid was gone. Because of that, Hagrid wasn't allowed to return as a student though (thanks to DD) he became a groundkeeper or sorts and later a teacher.

~If you read a couple of posts up we agree that Hagrid was expelled from Hogwarts because Tom Riddle framed him for opening the chamber of secrets and killing Myrtle. The question is now that he has been cleared of those false charges, would it be beneficial for him to continue his education. I think that he would feel kind of strange attending school again now that he has been a professor for nearly four years. I think that LadyCakeage has the right idea. Hagrid should get tutored. Even if he is cleared, his knowledge of magic is limited and that can't be good for a professor.

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Hagrid seems like the hufflepuff type I think, except that he's really..bold/brave..Hufflepuffs are loyal too, but Hagrid attacked Karkaroff for insulting Dumbledore, so I think that's a little different. I'm not sure the whole animal obsession is that important with Hufflepuff maybe...[Charlie=Gryffindor, and Hagrid said he was great with animals. and the whole dragon thing]..Ah well.

~Yeah, when I asked this I really didn't think there was any merit to it. But Hagrid could definately be a Hufflepuff-gosh I hope not though. His bravery is outstanding. But on the other hand, Cedric was brave also. That just wasn't his primary character trait. Oh gosh, I hope this isn't offtopic.gif
*Love_me_Amortentia*
was Hagrid in Hufflepuff or Gryffindor?
I think like everyone else ...I always assumed he was a gryffendor. But like the others have said as well he would also fit in nicely with the Huffelpuffs. As for...
Why didn't Hagrid go back to school? I think it would be extreamly wierd for Hagrid to go back as a student. I like the toutor idea though that makes more sense to me. I think he is happy being the groundkeeper and Care of Magical creatures Proffessor. He may be able to protect himself better if he had some more learning but I dont think it matters he has already proven to be a difficult person to harm...In OotP the spells and jinxes just bounced off of him. He could use a new wand in my opinion... although its hinted he never got rid of his old one the pieces may be in his umbrella? Can his old wand be fixed?
I guess thats all my thoughts on this one
carmen2010
I think tutoring is an excellent idea! I think learning more magic will be extremely helpful with his teaching and his teaching methods. I'm really anxious to see the roll he is going to play in DH.
As for his wand, I dont know if it can be fixed but he can just get a new one.
After the Burial
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Even if he is cleared, his knowledge of magic is limited and that can't be good for a professor.


A professor needs to be knowledgeable in his or her field. Hagrid absolutely knows care of magical creatures. Would you ask an English professor to know mathematics incredibly well? Hagrid does not need to learn magic, but I think he should. Still, I don't think he feels the need to do so. In his own words, Hagrid "was never great shakes at magic" anyway.

As for his wand, I think it is fixed. I always thought Dumbledore fixed it for him and asked him to keep it quiet. I have no proof, but it sounds like something Dumbledore would do. Besides, Hagrid wand seems to work well when he does use it (not like Ron's broken wand).
mermaid lily
i think u have a point dd might have fixed his wand but i can see it reasonable if hagrid didnt want to go back to school that would be like going back to kindergarden and he would be embarassed in front of the other kids i kno wi would what year was hagrid kicked out?
LadyCakeage
If wands can get fixed then what's the point of breaking them? Waait..Ron's was broken, he just got a new one. So did Neville. I think that Jo said that the blah something connection between a wizard and his wand blah was going to be explained in the book. I don't get why they break them. To make it official? You're expelled and that's final. That's not really fair..You need a wand to survive in the whole wizarding world thing, and they break them because of something they did, or in Hagrid's case was suspected of doing, while they were in school. I'm guessing they can just buy new ones anywayz. *hmmpf*
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In his own words, Hagrid "was never great shakes at magic" anyway.

Well then, he needs someone like Harry to teach him happy.gif ..Or Hermione. Anywayz, Harry [haha] taught the whole DA advanced magic and stuff. And Cho said he was a good teacher. I think he should become the new DADA teacher. If he doesn't become an Auror anywayz..Hagrid doesn't really need it if the spells are aimed at him and stuff. But still, when his house was set on fire he didn't know how to put it out. He can protect other people better and..*uncertain*..Well it'd be useful anywayz. *cackles* Good defense and offense wacko.gif


After the Burial
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If wands can get fixed then what's the point of breaking them?


I think it would take a very skilled wizard to fix a wand. I would bet Ollivander could do it.

The point of breaking a wand? I answer that with another question. What is a witch or wizard who no longer has a wand?

I think that those who are expelled are also forbidden from using magic. Hagrid said in the first book (when he came to get Harry) that he was not supposed to use magic, but they made an exception in that particular case. If he was allowed to get a new wand, why would he hide the fact that his old wand was made into an umbrella?
nevillesgirl
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If wands can get fixed then what's the point of breaking them?


I think it would take a very skilled wizard to fix a wand. I would bet Ollivander could do it.

The point of breaking a wand? I answer that with another question. What is a witch or wizard who no longer has a wand?

I think that those who are expelled are also forbidden from using magic. Hagrid said in the first book (when he came to get Harry) that he was not supposed to use magic, but they made an exception in that particular case. If he was allowed to get a new wand, why would he hide the fact that his old wand was made into an umbrella?

I agree that Ollivander could fix a wand-except he's missing or kidnapped or *gulp* dead at the moment. He did seem concerned that Hagrid was not using his wand remember? So the penalty for using magic when your wand is snapped must be high.

What is a witch or wizard who no longer has a wand? Hmmm. An outcast? At least I think that is what they hope for and possibly was hoping for in Hagrid's case being that he is half-giant. No, wait...they didn't know he was half-giant until GoF when Rita spilled the beans right?

So even if he was expelled, he got pardoned at the end of CoS right? How come he just didn't go get a new wand? Maybe the wizarding world doens't work that way?

Im just confusing myself I think...Time for me to "hocus be quietus" as my son says when I talk to much
After the Burial
I think Hagrid's case is unique. He was framed by Voldemort. Anyone who was taken in by Voldemort when he was younger has tried to hide the details of their relationship. Whether it was from embarrassment from being duped or fear of him now, people don't want to share the details on how they dealt with Tom/Voldemort.

Since Tom framed Hagrid, pardoning Hagrid would mean people would have to admit they werre wrong about him. In particular, people must admit Tom fooled them and that he got away with opening the Chamber of Secrets. Even more distressing, they must admit they chose to punish Hagrid when they knew he was not likely to have done anything wrong. I do not see many people willing to admit to that.

(Remind you of Scrimegour and Stan Shunpike?)
nevillesgirl
Interesting. So in Hagrid's case he was simply released at the end of CoS without an explanation or a pardon of past charges. Am I correct in this assessment? That does make sense about the Ministry not having to admit to mistakes and wrong treatment of people. A very interesting parallel to the present day Stan and the Ministry. Yeah, and they certainly wouldn't authorize the use of a new wand in this instant.

Okay so if we have exhausted this question, someone be thinking of a new question or topic we can discuss...I can't right now...busy. sad.gif
mermaid lily
what do u all know about the veil i think it will have a connection with something but i cant figure wnough out about the veil to make a hypothesis
LadyCakeage
The Veil! All I can do is make wild guesses and theories and things..I like imagining scenes in my head when I don't know what's going to happen next. I think everyone does this but it's becoming something like a hobby now. *cackles* Well a guess that makes the most sense to me would be it's probably something like a portal to *voice turns into a spooky whisper* the other world! *dramatic music playing in backround* And maybe the people who have had the most experience dealing with death or something, or maybe unhappy people or something. Or people who's lives have been heavily impacted by a death..but this wouldn't make as much sense [Dumbledore's death]. There are alot of theories about this anywayz.

And about that Hagrid and Stan Shunpike thing..I'm sure Dumbledore would've done something about it, considering that it's Hagrid and that he's in the Order and all loyal to him and everything. Maybe not though...he probably already knows that Hagrid has that umbrella and everything so it wouldn't make as much of a difference I think. Also there is that whole wandless magic thing, so not all wizards and witches would've been completly useless without a wand. Yeh, but how would the shopkeeper figure out whether or not a person is allowed to buy a wand? I'd probably flee the country! *cackle*
*Love_me_Amortentia*
Some food for thought...

Why is it okay for Gryffendors to think themselves a cut above the rest and not okay for Slytherins. Both houses put out some extraordinary wizards so why do they have such conflict between them? Is the only difference the pure blood/ mudblood prejudice?

Heres what I think. I think that because Slytherins are perhaps prouder of themselves and their heritage...this sometimes gets construed as narscissim and people arent okay with that. I also know that some Slytherins are bad or evil which ever you prefur. But what about the swager and abition we see in some Gryffendors...ie Percy or even the Weasley twins no one looks down on them for their disregaurd of the rules. We also know that all Gryffendors dont end up good...ie Peter Pettigrew...he is the only gryff. gone bad that is mentioned but could there be more? Is it favoritism or something else?
If that makes any sense...

Let me know what you think.
hterry1969
Ooooh...good question. There does seem to be similarites in the personalities between Gryffindors and Slytherins. However, I don't think Gryffindors consider themselves better than the rest. I believe they are more confident in their abilities than say Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw, and Slytherin shares that same confidence - the difference is that Gryffindors don't go around jinxing/hexing people to show off their skill or for the fun of it.

I think the biggest difference between the two houses is the fact that while Gryffindors will bend rules from time to time, Slytherins will use any means to obtain what they want regardless of the rules. How their actions affect others is not their concern. Gryffindors have a conscience and Slytherins don't.

Now, you are right that perhaps not all Gryffindors are good, as evidenced by Peter Pettigrew, but let's face it, Peter doesn't (and never really appeared to) have a strong moral character. I'm sure there may be some other Gryffindors who have decided to travel down the wrong path, but I think as a general rule, most don't.
nevillesgirl
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[font=Georgia]Some food for thought...

Why is it okay for Gryffindors to think themselves a cut above the rest and not okay for Slytherins. Both houses put out some extraordinary wizards so why do they have such conflict between them? Is the only difference the pure blood/ mudblood prejudice?

~I think that Slytherins are very proud of their pureblood or pretending they are pure blood seeing as most wizards are not anymore. They have been brought up to believe they are better than everyone else so they act accordingly in that respect. The conflict between houses I think stems from the conflict between Godric Gryffindor and Salazaar Slytherin.. Perhaps Godric Gryffindor was most outspoken in his opposition of his once friend and that tension has translated over the generations. I think the attitudes of the people in both houses are quite different even though they share many of the same characteristics. I believe that Slytherins are brave. I also believe that given the choice to exercise that bravery they calculate the pros and cons carefully and almost always look towards there own ambitions.

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the difference is that Gryffindors don't go around jinxing/hexing people to show off their skill or for the fun of it.

I think the biggest difference between the two houses is the fact that while Gryffindors will bend rules from time to time, Slytherins will use any means to obtain what they want regardless of the rules. How their actions affect others is not their concern. Gryffindors have a conscience and Slytherins don't.


~I disagree with this first statement. Gryffindors will jinx and hex people just for the fun of it. Sirius and James proved that while they were in school. We can't make exceptions for them because we like them. They may not have been showing off their skill, but they were certainly doing it just for fun.

~True Gryffindors bend the rules from time to time and Slytherins are more concerned with getting ahead at all costs however, to say that Gryffindors have a conscience may be stretching it. Fred and George (oh I love them wub.gif ) have played many pranks and jokes on others, even their friends not with the intent to hurt them but certainly to poke fun and they do it with little regard for their feelings. It is possible that Slytherins have a conscience after the fact-I think this is shown by Draco and Snapes actions [i]after
they had gotten in too far.
LadyCakeage
I think it all depends on their personality traits and how they were raised. Sirius was raised in one of those kind of families and he turned out fine. I don't understand how that works. Barty Crouch Jr. and Harry Potter and Tom Riddle and how they became good/evil. And when I say Tom, I mean like how he was born in an Orphanage with a whole bunch of other kids and he became one of the most craziest psychopaths in the whole wizarding history thingy. I don't know. You could say you're born with that kind of personality, but then anyone could become evil or a Death Eater, so the majority shouldn't be Slytherins. If you get your personality by the way you were raised then that doesn't make sense either. I think the main problem might be that all Slytherins feel that they need to stick together [the other houses are friendly with each other] because the other houses discriminate against them so much.
After the Burial
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I think the main problem might be that all Slytherins feel that they need to stick together [the other houses are friendly with each other] because the other houses discriminate against them so much.


Each house does stick together within each house. As you said, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw and Gryffindor frequently associate with one another. (I also want to point out that not everyone within the same house gets along...Cormac anyone?) Slytherin is often isolated as a house, but why should it be assumed that other houses isolate them? That may certainly be a part of it, but another part may be that Slytherins choose to isolate themselves.

I don't know if that is due to arrogance (which can be found aplenty in each house) or something else. It is probably a mix of many different reasons.

justin
i think part of being selected into slytherin kinda makes people arragant and they start to think like a slytherin and act like a slytherin.

also to an extant everyone wants to think that their house is more powerful

if i was in ravenclaw i would think i would be better for certain reasons
every house has it's own thing that they have that is better than the other house
thats what creates so much conflict
nevillesgirl
QUOTE(justin @ May 17 2007, 04:38 PM) [snapback]387650[/snapback]

if i was in ravenclaw i would think i would be better for certain reasons
every house has it's own thing that they have that is better than the other house
thats what creates so much conflict

This is so true. I think that this does create much of the conflict. Ravenclaws must think that they are a tad bit smarter than the other houses. Gryffindors may think they are braver then the other houses. I wouldn't have a clue as to what Huffelpuffs would think they are best at...more loyal? Slytherins would certainly stand on their cunning and pureblood status.

After the Burial put it nicely. There is plenty of arrogance in each house. I think what fuels Gryffindors arrogance may be that they know they are sorted for their bravery. I believe they know Slytherins are brave as well. The difference is that Gryffindors don't feel like they have turned out the majority of Dark Wizards. They feel like they have always produced someone who has been in the forefront of the fight against evil...this feeds their arrogance. The only way for this to be countered is for a Slytherin, or former Slytherin to have a major role in combating the forces of Voldemort ( Snape anyone wub.gif )
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