Okay, brain totally left my head in that post...sorry guys for wasting your time there...Man I feel sooo stupid, but thanks for informing me HP_RULES!....

I agree with madmarauder that Lupin probably did the spell work envolving the map. But I have another question to bring up...we know the map insults people, but how did they get it to do that? Did they put a part of themselves in it? or what?

If this has been answered already...feel free to send a virtual slap my way okay?

Fawkes

Evil people have more fun? I should think not, those who are brave and loyal, the Gryffindors as I am have the most fun I would say

Oh and Madmarauder, I think you got it right down to the point. Everyone has pretty much said everything that I agree on.

HP_RULES! Perhaps it was an everlasting charm? But that is a good point. I like how they made it where it can see animagus form, so if someone does see the map they would think nothing of it.

To answer your question Fawkes, I think that the marauders just charmed the map to insult who ever the reader was, or perhaps cast a spell to where it does certain insults to certain people you know?

I also do not agree with the fact that the marauders found the map, I believe they made it themselves.

Also, a password has to open it so only the marauders could read it, and I love the password it fits the marauders so perfectly

Okay sorry I know I skipped around alot and some of you may be like where was that question? please forgive me I'm just trying to catch up here.

Marauderishly Yours,
Lily

Ummm... Well, we don't actually know who the map is able to insult. The only person we've seen given a hard time by it is Snape (poor him) so we don't actually know who else the map would insult. Tell me if someone else has been insulted by it, my mind's a bit blank at the moment. But, if that's the case, that only Snape has been insulted by the marauder's map then how do we know that they didn't just make up insults specifically for him... I mean, it would be a dead give-away if a teacher confiscated it and got a load of insults off it (and I mean in the marauders' time, not Harry's).

I think they probably just made up insults for Snape and trained the map to say them if he tried to read it, which he most likely would if he got the chance. For anyone else the map would stay blank, not revealling their secret. I could be wrong, but I really don't think that they would make it insult everyone who looked at it because that would land them in detention or something. Snape was just a special case because they hated him so much (or James and Sirius did anyway).

Hmm... I think I need an alternative word for insult. I overused it a bit in that post.

I'd say that it was mostly James and Sirius who got the information about the grounds and tunnles for the map and Remus who did the spell work. Though I don't really think Peter had very much to do with it to tell the truth...



As for the insults, I'd have to say I believe that it was Sirius' idea. I can just see him saying to James, 'Hey let's load this baby up with insults incase that git Severus ever gets his slimy hands on it,' with that said James would agree handsdown.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I missed it out of my post though. That huge post and not one mention of that... Well, I said that James and Sirius hated Snape. So basically what I thought they would have done is to just make the map insult Snape if he happened to come across it, simply because they really didn't like him and would love to see the look on his face when he read it. They were most probably the ones that came up with the idea for the insult (or insults, don't know if there were more) and the Remus put the whole map together... and yeah, I doubt Peter would have had a look in on much of it. Maybe he just noted down the positions of a couple of rooms to put on the map. Too bad they didn't find the Room of Requirement.

Oh yeah, one other thing I meant to say. Could you imagine if the map actually did insult anybody who tried to read it without saying the correct password? It would be so funny if a teacher took the map from them and did what Snape did, "Reveal your secrets" or whatever, and they got a whole list of insults from them. I think they would probably give the marauders a lifetime of detentions, or more, depending on how mean they were.

I'd say that at least one of the Marauders did find the Room of Requirement, but when they went searching for it or tried to show it to the others, they just couldn't locate it again... that's why it isn't on the map.

Oh yeah, maybe. Or it could be that it only shows up when it is actually in use, and the person using it hasn't said they don't want people to find it. I wouldn't have thought that many people know about, let alone use the Room of Requirement so every time Harry looked at the map he couldn't see it, maybe because it wasn't in use at the time, or because the person insice it wanted to keep their whereabouts a secret (like when Fred and George hid in there from Filch, they wouldn't have wanted anyone to know where they were, would they?).

I think this was explained in the book. If someone needed the Room of Requirement to be unplottable, it would be. Like what you said Katie, about Fred and George not wanting anyone to find them. Whoever first put it in the school probably didn't want anyone to find it so it became unplottable so the maruaders couldn't put it on their map. I am sure that they found it, a lot of students do.

About the map's insults, I was actually thinking about that too, about the fact that maybe it only insulted Snape because they knew him and designed the map to do that. He was always noising around in their buisness and trying to get them in trouble so maybe they did it to get him out of their buisness. If they carried the map around the school and they ran into a teacher and they tried the same thing, I don't think that the marauders would want to get in trouble being caught with a map that insulted their teachers when they were right there. Snape probably saw them with the map all the time and in an effort to try and get them in trouble attempted to open it, I am sure the marauders suspected that. If it does work like that, who else do you think that it was designed to insult??

Hmm... I think it was probably only able to insult people that the marauders knew in their time and didn't like. I don't really think that it would be possible, no matter how clever they were, for them to put a spell on the map so that it would insult anyone who was disliked by the future map-holder, like Draco when Harry had the map.

So... people they probably didn't like. Well, I think Filch may have been one, maybe that's why it was taken away from him. I know he can't do any magic but he might have been so determined to find out what they were up to with that piece of (supposedly blank) parchment that he could have bought a reveal or something in the hope that he would be able to look at it, but was insulted by the map instead so he took it away from them. (Phew, long sentence there.) So that could be why it was confiscated...

Who else? Erm... Maybe the future Death Eaters that Sirius knew, like Bellatrix (his cousin) and Regulus (his brother)... I'm not sure when they were at school though. If it was the same time I think they would be the kind of people the marauders would want to insult if they got their hands on the map.

Hmm... not sure about anyone else at the moment... I don't know, maybe it was just any student who tried to read it. It seems a bit complicated either way.

well, the fact that it knows peopl in animagus form is impresive, so maybe the map can sortb of read the persons faults and fears. its complicaed enough to do it. andthey probably did special things for people like Snape, Belatrix, etc. etc. etc.

as for the room of requirement, they may have know about it.they would have done anything imaginable to find everything. oh, I just had a thought! Wht if they used the room of requirement to make the map? That would make sense! It explains how it could do all those things and how the marauders were able to create it! Genius! I would give myself galleons were it not for self control.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Yep, that is quite genius. Can I give you internet galleons? If so, take 15!
I can just imagine them pacing up and down outside the room, "We need a place to make a map, give us stuff to help us make it amazingly amazing." Yeah, that is a good idea. If they actually did find the room... We still don't know for sure whether they knew about it or not... If they did use the Room of Requirement to make the map, in what way would it have helped them. Probably supplying books with all the spells they needed to use... but what else? It couldn't have exactly done the spells for them, could it?

nope, I'm off internet galleons. give them to yourself. hey HP_RULES, give my galleons out fairly to everyone who posts on here. Like you, LovelLily, Golden Phoenix, hpgoldsnitch, etc. etc. etc. enjoy my ealy christmas gift, guys and gals!

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

*virtually hugs you* yay! Thank you so much for my early Christmas gift madmarauder!

Did the marauders even know about the Room of Requirement though? Because i see it in two ways, either they did not know so thats why its not on the map, or two they did not put it on there just in case someone else discovered the map.But I can see them hiding in there making the map because the room would have been a perfect place to create it. Like Katie said they could have everything that they needed in the room...Also the spells to make the map make insults and see animagus forms is absolutely amazing and must have been hard to make, so I'm thinking Lupin did the spell casting or found them

Marauderishly Yours,
Lily

Well, LovelyLily, I really think that they found the room, but couldn't ever find it again, or just didn't know what it was. Maybe it was like Dumbledore's encounte with the Room of Requierment as stated in Goblet of Fire when he tells Karkeroff (sp?) that he took a wrong turn on the way to the lavoratories and ended up in a room with espcially nice chamber pots. He then went on to explaint hhe possible reasons the room might have been there, but we know all about the room of requierment. So maybe their experiance was like Dumbledore's and they just didn't have a clue what is was, or couldn't find it again to place on the map. I could even see Lupin walking into a door and finding a room full of chamber pots

Fawkes

ugg... my computer is running so incredibly slow...

anyway. Ya, I think that the marauders knew about the room of requirement. I mean, come on, they are the marauders. lol

OH YA THIS IS IMPORTANT:
ok, so those of you who don't know, the OotP trailer is playing on the Happy Feet movie. I am not sure if it is only on the 25th, so don't quote me. Just thought I would let you all know.

ok anyway,

haha, I could too.

and I think that Lupin did most of the spell work with the map with a little help from james and sirius, but I think they did most of the drawing and finding of the rooms. Peter probably just sat there. lol
ok ttyl
~snitch

Yeah, Peter just probably got in the way so they made him do homework. little rat.

Yeah, I can definately see James and Sirius searching every nook and cranny for a secret passage. there may be some even the marauders don't know about! But I kind of doubt that, limits the purpose of the map, don't it? So they probably found everything. and mayve they found it like Fred and George, hiding from Filch but couldn't find it. and dumbledore probably knew about it, he knows almost everything. poor dumbledore.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

No, I have to disagree, even though they were marauders, I don't think they knew about every secret that our beloved Hogwarts held and holds. I mean c'mon. Dumbledore even admitted after all the time he has spent in Hogwarts that he doesn't even know everything. Sure they probably knew more than he did himselves, but not all. I mean that is a lot! Maybe the did thhough, but hard to imagine.


Fawkes

Well, it depends whether we think they actually knew about the Room of Requirement or not, because if they didn't then that's at least on e secret they didn't find. And I agree with Fawkes, there were probably more that they never discovered. Oh yeah, you know all the secret passages they found? Well, how did they find out how to use them? Like the one-eyed witch passageway that you need to tap and say "dissendium" to open... Do you think they spent loads of time testing different spells, or was that one just a general spell for opening stuff up?

Edit: Okay, just looked it up...

"Dissocio" in its verb form means "to part" or "to separate". The word "en" can mean both "here!" and "look!" Dium, of course, refers to the sun and normally translates as "day" or "today" but I have seen it used as a command to mean "now." So together dissendium could mean "part/separate here, now!"

Okay, I'll change the question. So, do you think there were other passageways that we haven't been told about but are on the map... and do they need the same spell to open them?

First things first, Dumbledore didnt know everything, or at least he made it out to be like that. In GoF, he metioned that he didnt know about the Room of Requirement, or at least he didnt know what it as for. He said something to the fact that it only appeared at the half moon or something or when the person looking for it has a full bladder. As for places the Maurader's didnt find and one we know Dumbledore didnt know where it was... The Chamber of Secrets! I mean no one found it, and it would have been the ultimate place for the Maurader's to find. I mean, thats one big adventure. As for Golden Phoenix's question:

Its possible that thats the case, but I think Fred and George would have combed the map with a fine-toothed comb to find them, so I think not. As for secret incatations, Im sure the other passageways had them. But, that leaves to wonder, how did the incantations and passageways come to be? But people, that is another thread, so dont post about it.

Sincerley,
LupinFan88, waiting on Wolf's Bane potion with a Proffesor Lupin

You know, I think that the marauders map is an artifact of the marauders that will continue be a mystery. It's like an onion. It has layers, and new questions that arise from it each time that cause wonder. I think that made a whole lot more sense in my head then it did writing it, but oh well. just stick with me on that one. lol
There very well could be more passages in the school that are not on the map. They might have been found by fred and george, but the marauders being who they were, may have found more passages after they created the map, and didn't put them on. who knows.
so, has anyone heard anything more about the marauders for OotP?
~snitch

ps- and as a reminder
ok, so those of you who don't know, the OotP trailer is playing on the Happy Feet movie. I am not sure if it is only on the 25th, so don't quote me. Just thought I would let you all know.

no, I rely on you guys, I'm pretty lazy. lol.

Yeah, I'm thinking of seeing it just for the movie. we'll see.


Nice, er....onion analogy. I would have used something different, but whatever. yes, they may have found mre passsages, but I think they would have added them on. maybe they used some magic ink that shows people moving. that would be a long way to explain it. but I still believe that the room of requirement was involved in its creation.

say, an unanswered question about the map; did Fred and george know who Lupin and Sirius are? I think this was asked in our last thread, I can't remember. because then the two forces could combine and shake hogwarts doown to its knees!! BWAHAHA!!!!! Sorry, my evil side bursts out occasionally.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Hi!!!
I'm so excited to FINALLY have found a forum FOR THE MARAUDERS!!!!! In fact, I was SO EXCITED, THAT I READ THE ENTIRE THREAD!!! AND THE ORIGINAL!!!! Sorry, I'm on a bit of a caffeine high. I think someone asked where to look for new HP 5 news on the young marauders? I couldn't exactly find pics, but I have names:

Young Lily:Susie Shinner

Young Sirius:James Walters

Young James:Robert Stephen Jarvis

Young Lupin:James Utechin

I am also very proud of my signature!!! About the Marauder's Map, well, I think that (contrary to popular belief) Remus drew the map according to what Sirius and James snooped. I dunno, but he seems the most methodical, and can you REALLY imagine James and Sirius sitting down and drawing the map? I can imagine it turnng into a pillow fight, but... Probably they all helped with the map, kind of like Sirius and James bounced ideas off of Remus, who helped with the more basic things. But I think that James and Sirius were responsible for the more zany/ingenious parts. Pr. Lupin in PoA calls them the cleverest in their year...so. I can ABSOLUTELY imagine Sirius being like:

Sirius: *wicked smirk* hey Prongs, what if the Map starts insulting you if you don't have the password? And we can make it formal so it's even funnier. Like the title and all.

James: Yeah! Padfoot you're a genius!!

Remus: (raises eybrow) Are you serious? An insulting parchment?

Sirius: First off, you're not Sirius I-

James: (chucks pillow) stuff it, Pads.

Sirius: Fine. But it will be the perfect cover, they'll never think that it's for something else, right?

Remus: I guess so...

James and Sirius: *high-five* VICTORY!!!

As for the Room of Requirement? Well, sure they found it, but I've got to go woth either the unplottable theory, or the *wait-wasn't this a broom cupboard* theory. They seem most likely. Probably the unplottable one because they had broom cupboard's on the map, right? (So they could tell where where people were kissing- BLACKMAIL)

ANYWAY!! THAT is my uber-long first post.

hey, I'm happy to see you here, er...i'll just call you book reader, but could you narrow your sig down a bit? it made the page split, and thats really annoying. I'm just suggesting, just so this doesn't continue. but I like the sig its self, its very nice.

hm, maybe, but I sirusly (ha!) think that the room of requirement was involved somewhere in there. and Lupin probably did something to help, but Peter probably got in the way. stupid little traitor.wish harry had let them kill him. ah well, whats done is done.

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

I think that Hagrid's hut isn't on the Map either - but so what really? How much of the the Forbidden Forest do you think is on there? They would have spent some time there - especially after they became animagi and may have even been in there before that - they were the forerunners to Fred and George.

They may have known about the Room of Requirement. I can see them ducking in there to hide or to secret away some failed experiment.

And for some reason it's just struck me that their nicknames refer to to their animagi forms - except Lupin - and it took them 5 years to become animagi meaning the got their nicknames and the Map in the 5th year or after. Or, maybe it's just a revelation to me and I'm just slow on picking things up

Well hello bookwormofverymassiveproportions...I agree with Madmarauder i shall just call you bookwork okay? Well I love your enthuasm, and Welcome! But yes you could get moon edited or whatever it is because your sigernature is too large, but it is beautiful, did you make it?

Fred and George must know who Sirius and Lupin are. Sirius because he was in the order and was Harry's godfather, and Lupin because he taught at the school. The probably did not know them well enough to know that they were the ones who created the map. I can only imagine what they would say to Remus and Sirius if they did know...

And about what Papermoon said...Well the mao only shows Hogwarts so is the Forest even concidered part of Hogwarts, even if it is I doubt it showsso much that you could find people in there...

Marauderishly Yours,
Lily

P.S. Anyone else seeing the trailer before Happy Feet on Friday?I'm so excited for it!

I might. the trailor is supposedly awesome, and the movie is ok, so we'll see.

Yeah, imagine if they knew who they really were. they would be bowing down to them day and night going "we're not worthy, we're not worthy"

Yeah, we kind of realized that to. I presumed they made it in 5th or 6th, because they would be learning more advanced spell work. makes sense, no?

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

I am probaly going to see the movie this weekend. It is being realesed the 17th here in good ole VA, so Im gonna see it with my family.

I always got the impression the Maruder's map was only for the castle, but I may be wrong.
Did you know that in PoA movie, Moony is spelled MoonEy, for a member of the cast. I got so mad. Plus they didnt even talk about who the Maruder's were. *screams*
Anyway, the map in the movie didnt show the grounds, but the movies have been wrong before...

Any who...
I would think that Remus was responsible for most of the map, and James and Sirius were probably like "do this or do that" I think that they also made it in there 5th/6th year. Peter probably didnt have much to do with it. As for Fred and George knowing that Sirius and Remus were "Padfoot" and "Moony", I dont think so. But they still like them anyway.

Now, I dont know if this was in the movie or not... but, I remember Remus saying to Harry in PoA something to the effect of the creators of the map would want to lure you outside the castle with the map. Does that mean the map has some other alternate motive then getting to Honneydukes or avoiding teachers? Just a thought...

Sincerley,
LupinFan88, out looking for a lost werewolf...

I believe that he only said that because he knew that Sirius knew how to work the map and if Sirius were to get his hands on the map, he'd be able to find Harry - of course, that was when Remus thought that Sirius was the one who betrayed James and Lily.

Thats true, he said "We thought it would have been fun". and the marauders DID take unnecessay risks.

Wow, this thread has become a ghost town. Live thread, live!!!

also, heres a thing about the map; does it have a horcrux device in it? Not like voldies, but an essence of the marauders that allows it to insult people and other things. That would answer a couple of questions, wouldn't it?

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Ah, my 600th post! yay for me. and what better a place to put it that here?



haha, i could see it now. fred, george and the marauders? OMG, hell would have offically risen. or actually, i should probably say mass chaos and havoc. I don't know that Fred and George knew that Lupin and Sirius were Moony and Padfoot. Honestly, I don't think that they even put two and two together. lol


I don't think it did, because I don't think that the marauders would do something like that. its just not them. ya know? they may have, but it seems very out of character.

Ya, where is everyone? I check this thread like, almost everyday and their always seems to be a new page. But now? It hasn't been updated since last night... where is everyone?

anyway, has anyone seen any new pics of the marauders for the movie?
talk to ya all soon!
~snitch

congarts on your 600th! In honor of the event, take 5 galleons *take outa ridiculously sized wallet and hand you 5 galleons*

No, hell would have frozen over, heaven would've turned into a compost heap and limbo would be on fire. *shudder*

I don't mean like that, just some device that has a part of you in it? Who knows?

come on people, keep the thread alive! *cat scan beebing rapidly*

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Hmm... my 411 post. Sorry, worth a try though. Anyway... Erm, not sure what we're talking about, that's the downside about going away. Wait... Ohh, I know, does the map have a horcrux device in it? Hmm...

No, I don't think so. Like HPgoldsnitch said, it is totally out of character. Voldemort only did it because he was really evil. What if Peter had though... No... the timing's all wrong. I dunno, I was just thinking if he was scared of death and picked up tips from Voldemort on how to create one. But by the time he joined Voldemort, the map would have already been confiscated and be sitting in Filch's office, which would make it a bit tricky to get it back to turn it into one. Okay, making no sense now...

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say, an unanswered question about the map; did Fred and george know who Lupin and Sirius are? I think this was asked in our last thread, I can't remember. because then the two forces could combine and shake hogwarts doown to its knees!! BWAHAHA!!!!! Sorry, my evil side bursts out occasionally.

Right, just quickly answer this one as well. Umm.... no, they probably didn't know that Sirius and Lupin were Padfoot and Moony because if they did then we would have heard about it. Like at mealtimes in OotP, they would have been asking them how they made the map, how they found all the secret passages and that sort of stuff. So, no.

Right, and about the horcrux thing, I just read madmarauder's post properly. So, not a horcrux that means the marauders can't be destroyed but one that means the pranks and insults will never go away from the map... because that might have worked. But it would still be a horcrux, which is known as a really evil bit of magic so... I don't think they actually would have done that. It's just not like them... Except maybe Peter. Hey, what if we were wrong about Peter. Maybe he isn't the stupid one. He could be like really clever but just doesn't show it. No?

Hmm I don't know if Peter had the initiative to do something like that....remember, he never did anything unless there was something in it for him, and unless it was one of those Horcruxes that make it so you won't die (which it obviously wasn't, since James is dead and so is Sirius) I don't see why he'd waste his time. I don't think its evil or a bit of bad magic, I just think it was a harmless spell made to create comments that they would have said, and of course to create the map. Hmm....who knows really? (besides JK )

ugh, let me rephrase this for those of you to lazy to check my other post.

ok, I meant a device SIMILAR to a Horcrux, in a way that it has a piece of them in it, which is how they are able to insult people. Not like a Horcrux, I know that would be completely out of character. Honestly, give me some credit. Well, that would explain something, though, wouldn't it?

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Well.....Yea I believe there must be something like a horcrux in the map. Otherwise how would it know about Snape and the big nose thing? That explains alot about it actually. I found this information on the Free Encyclopedia and thought it was very interesting... Its like the Sorting Hat! Did anyone else think of that?

Marauderishly Yours,
Lily

I'm not sure if this is what everyone is talking about or not, but are you saying that the Marauders Map may be a Horcruxes (like Tom's Diary) to one of the Marauders? Becuase once you think about it, the map very well could have to soul of either James or Sirius - those two are the only two who I could imagin doing such a thing...

Hmmm....yes but James definitely could not have done it, as he died! He would have lived, like Voldemort had, in a kind of shadow form, had he made a horcrux. Same with Sirius.....but I think what people are actually talking about is if it is SIMILAR to a Horcrux. (I get it, madmarauder123! )

Hey guys! Sorry I haven't been on here in a while but I have had insane amounts of work to do!! Maybe I haven't been away that long, but it seems like it to me. Ok, I guess I will just jump back in here, but before I do congrats on your 600th post Hpgoldsnitch!!!

I agree that the map must have something in it that is a memory of the marauders (wow, this is really hard to explain). I think it is a lot like the sorting hat with the original founders like what lovelylily said. Gosh, I don't know how to explain it! Just a piece of them so that their personality could live on in the map. It must be a spell or something that they put on it so the map reflects who they were, but I think I will stop there because I can't explain it!

Yes, it is rather hard to explain, but this is what I found on JK's website...

"Wizards have ways of making sure their voices are heard after their death- think of Bertha Jorkings rising out of the Pensieve in 'the Goblet of Fire', the Sorting Hat continuing to spout the wisdom of the Founders hundreds of years after their deaths, the ghosts walking around Hogwarts, the potrait's of dead headmasters and mistresses in Dumbledore's office, not to mention Mrs. Black's portrait in Number 12, Grimmauld Place...there are other examples too, of which the Marauder's Map is nearly one. It's not really the Marauders writing the insults to Snape; it's as though they left a magical recording of themselves within the map."

Which is what I think everyone has been trying to say, but just couldn't find the words.

Yeah, exactly! It was just really hard to think of how to put it. Especially as the idea of horcruxes was going around my head... it was just a bit confusing. So... now that we've established that they "left a maical recording of themselves within the map" how do you suppose they did it?

Oh, sorry, I'm sort of stealing Daniel's job here, asking the questions for others to answer... You don't have to answer that question. It is a tricky one anyway.

No, I just make new topics if it becomes to tiresome or its dumb. you are intitled to ask questions, by all means.

Since Hogwarts has such an extensive one, I would guess the library. It would be easy to say they had to do a project, seeing as they are such great liars, and getting a book on stuff like that. I wish J.K did a story with James and the marauders. I would pay top dollar to read that. *sighs forlornly*

marauderishly yours,

madmarauder

Ok, first of all, I know I haven't been on for such a long time that its actually quite sad and I am really sorry to those who have been wondering where I have gone to!Secondly, I would like to say one of my HUGE welcomes to all of the new marauder members! Welcome guys! It is really great to have you!

Then...back to the topic at hand.I have to agree with most of you guys about the map.I do think there is a type of charm/spirit/horcrux type of thingy in the map that allows the map to have a personality similar to that of the marauders just as if they are talking to harry on a normal day to day basis..you know what i mean?Really hard to explain my reasoning.But i have recently finished the 6th book and once again I have come to understand the whole horcrux thing much better and I think that the map isn't a horcrux,but something like that that actually houses someones soul! i am actually confusing myself to be honest!

And lastly I have to agree with madmarauder123!I also wish that Jk would write or dedicate a whole book to the marauders because i don't think any of us would be bored with that book!It would be great to know what they got up to and how they came across the map or created it!Wow...*stares into space dreamily*

Oh well, we are just going to have to make do with guess work and theories at the moment!
Have a happy marauder day to all of you!
Lucky

Luckyfish! Welcome back! Hmm... So, are we going with my question? How did they manage to leave a magical recording of themselves within the map? Not a great question, I know. I'm really bad at thinking of these things.

So, yeah, you're probably right Daniel. They looked it up in books etc. and because they were so good at magic, they managed to find a way to do it. But, now that you've got the horcrux comparision in my head, maybe it was one of those things that wasn't really allowed. I know what they did isn't as bad as creating a real horcrux, like Voldemort did, but there are some things that aren't allowed even if they aren't so bad... like becoming Animagi without Ministry of Magic approval, but they did that anyway. So, yeah... that's probably how they did it, nothing to interresting really... just looking in books and performing spells.

Thanks so much for the welcome Golden Phoenix!Much appreciated!
I would agree with you on that as well, that they were probably looking in books and what not, as i don't think they are the type to just sit around all day and look for spells and make up charms like snape did....
But I think most would agree that its a great thing that they happened upon the map!

Luckyfish, you're back!!!! YEAH!!!!! We have all missed you so much!!! *runs around the house screaming luckyfish is baaaack, luckyfish is baaaack* Hehehehe, nice to see you here again!

Ok, to Katie's topic. I don't know if they got it from a book, I mean, I could kind of see them making up a spell by themselves. They spent four years becoming animagi so I don't know how hard creating the map would be for them. Maybe they got it from the spell that they put on the sorting hat, though I doubt that spell is lying around. I would just think that if it was in a book more students may have wanted to try something like that. I don't think there are any other maps who can keep track of everyone in the school and can insult anyone who tries to read it. I could see them finding another spell and maybe altering it, like taking the one used on the sorting hat and making it suit there needs. I don't really know though, a book on the marauders does sound very good right now!!!

Okay, well along with luckyfish, I am back as well. Hopefully for good this time...and again sorry. Okay well on the topic at hand, the horcrux comparison has me puzzeled on this topic...was it one of those things that was wrong? Or did they just find it lying in a spare book? Man this is puzzling...really really really wish we knew more about the marauders lifes at the moment. But even if it was illegal, they probably did in anyhow just like turning into animagi without Ministry aprroval and regulations.


Fawkes..

And welcome back luckyfish, I had been asking about you, so itis great to see you back.

*yells at top of lungs* LUCKYFISH!!!!!! YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!! *joins HP_RULES in screaming "Luckys back!* man, I haven't seen you in ages!!!!!!! glad you're back!!!!!

*sees Fawkes* FAWKES!!!!!! YOU'RE BACK TO!!!!!! Awww, we're all back for the holidays! Group hug!!! In honor of such an event, I herby award Luckyfish and Fawkes 20 internet galleons! Welcome back, you two!!!!

Ok, now that THATS over, on to Katies question.

Like I said, they looked it up, or they used several spells on top of one another. who knows. we should all sign a petetion to have J.K right James Potter series. we would all buy it, right guys and gals?

marauderishly (and happily) yours,

madmarauder

hmm.. does Jk ever mention how old the marauders were when thay created the map? even if they did find it in a book, it is really advanced magic and would be difficult to do. Peter probably couldn't do that level of magic and i can imagine sirius not being bothered. that leaves james and remus, who may of made the map mainly together.

the map is probably VERY like the sorting hat. i think sometime the hat says that it was created by the four founders to continue the sorting after they died. if it is, it talks about the four houses as though it is a fifth observer, and says what the 4 opinions and views were but is actually a fifth thing that is intelligent and wise but acts on the characteristics of others- the founders and the people being sorted.
this could be what the map is, it uses the characteristics of the marauders mixed with its own kind of artificial intelligence to know how, who and when to insult. this could also applie to the passwords it requires-- it recognises them.

does this all make sense?

also:while comparing the hat and the map, has anybody said about th e FOUR founders and the FOUR marauders?

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*yells at top of lungs* LUCKYFISH!!!!!! YOU'RE BACK!!!!!!! *joins HP_RULES in screaming "Luckys back!* man, I haven't seen you in ages!!!!!!! glad you're back!!!!!

*sees Fawkes* FAWKES!!!!!! YOU'RE BACK TO!!!!!! Awww, we're all back for the holidays! Group hug!!! In honor of such an event, I herby award Luckyfish and Fawkes 20 internet galleons! Welcome back, you two!!!!

Hmm... would I get internet galleons if I left for ages too?

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Ok, now that THATS over, on to Katies question.

Like I said, they looked it up, or they used several spells on top of one another. who knows. we should all sign a petetion to have J.K right James Potter series. we would all buy it, right guys and gals?

marauderishly (and happily) yours,

madmarauder

Yeah, I'd buy it. It would explain so much about the marauders. We don't have nearly enough information about them. Anyway, what HP_RULES! said about it not being in a book... I think she could be right. I mean, I can see them working for years to find a spell to put on the map, but I can also see them making one up themselves... is that a bit too much like Snape though?

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also:while comparing the hat and the map, has anybody said about th e FOUR founders and the FOUR marauders?

Woah, good point. I'll have to think about it. I have to go though right now, so I'll post when I get back.