okay, im not sure if anyone already had this, but i was just wondering, what will happen to filch? every person had a role in the books but filch did not. does he know anything about the horcruxes? does he know if there is anymore chambers in hogwarts? he might, i mean all he does is explore the castle, hes bound to know some secrets. or is he a DE? he is awfully mean to all the students, maybe he is evil. what do you guys think?

That's a good question. Filch does seem to act like he knows more then what he's revealing. There's something shady about him. Plus, he has probably explored just about every nook and cranny of Hogwarts, seeing how he's been there for all of eternity.

You may have something there, lilyluvr.

I don't think he knows anything about the Horcruxes, or is evil, or is a Death Eater but I think he does know about and is everything else you said. He is mean to the students maybe because he wants so desperatley to be a wizard (maybe not desperatley, but he got the squibs manual or whatever it is didn't he?) and is jealous about that.

I wouldn't doubt that he knows a lot of things about the school that maybe a lot of people don't, but I don't think he uses or will use that to his advantage. Only thing I see him doing with all that information is getting the drop on students that are out of bed.

And perhaps he's picked on a few things over the years, maybe things that have or will affect the plot...but I don't think it would be anything like Horcruxes or something to that extent.

I remember something about a Greek legend where Filch (or Argus) was an all-seeing person...maybe he knows exactly whats going on around the castle. Maybe he has a built in Maurader's Map (not the same, but something within him that guides him). Just a thought...

Argus Filch is just Argus Filch. Nothing special, interesting, or important about him. He's just the mean old caretaker of Hogwarts who hates kids and deprives them of having fun. Maybe he's a bit evil, but not bad enough to be in league with Voldemort. What use would Voldemort want with Filch. He's a squib. He can't make people feel miserable or suck out their souls like the dementors. He can't stomp around and terrorize wizards like the giants. And he definately cannot perform spells. All he can do is creep around the Hogwarts castle with Mrs. Norris, curse out Peeves, and continue to ask the Headmaster or mistress for permission to hang the students by thier thumbs in the dungeons.

no, but whats his purpose in the books? all he does is capture students that are doing something wrong. dont you think theres more to him that meets the eye? he has to have some purpose.

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thats a cool question. i never thought about it. i m sure that filch has some role still to play. i mean it cant be that big or important , but , who knows................?

No, I don't think that there's more to him than meets the eyes. His purpose is to be the hogwarts careker just like Stan's purpose is to drive the Knight bus. I mean what do you expect of Filch? Do you expect him to all of a sudden perform the Avada Kedavra curse, kill Snape, and play a part in Volemort's downfall? I don't. To me, he is just unimportant. Just like the people behind the cashier at McDonald's. You don't care who they are, you just want your meal.

i dont belive argus filch has any or any powers that are un equal to a muggle argus is just a charcter i dont like at all i hope voldy get him

i still think he knows something about hogwarts and harry has to come to him for help. he has no home to go to, so filch has to stay in the castle. and harry has to go to him when there is no one else to go to.

As it always helps, given JKR's interest in and careful selection of names in her series, let's look at Argus Filch:

ARGUS
Gender: Masculine

Usage: Greek Mythology (Latinized)

From the Greek Αργος (Argos), derived from αργος (argos) meaning "glistening, shining". In Greek myth this name belongs to both the man who built the Argo and a man with a hundred eyes.


filch
"steal," 1561, slang, perhaps from c.1300 filchen "to snatch, take as booty," of unknown origin.


So what we may perhaps learn here is that there is possibly an omniscient -- as in "all-seeing" -- "shining" individual in this series whose role another person wishes to steal for his (or her) own. As to the identities of these two, I suspect we may have to wait until the climax of Book 7 to discover them, although I also think we know very well who they are already if we consider the evidence.

Just wondering...who are you thinking fits the evidence? Thats what I was talking about in an earlier post in here, about a Greek legend about Argus or Filch being an all seeing person. Do you think it will have a huge impact on the book? Or is it among the many subplots that might get over shadowed?

i think filch will stay at hogwarts, so if we see hogwarts again im sure we will see filch, whether in a big or small way

i think filch was a character intended to add variety to the plot and every school needs a caretaker

however filch has always been present in the books slightly more than some of the other minor characters so maybe he will know something about hogwarts and a secret chamber in which a horcrux could be hidden

he would never be a death eater because he is a squib and they hate people like him because he isnt pure blooded

maybe him and mrs figg may appear shortly in the last book, however i think that it wont affect the plot of the story

Well, remember that a nonmagical person is supposed to perform magic late in life. One of the frontrunners for that is Filch. I think it makes more sense than Miss Figg as Filch is at school, and Figg is in Surry. Of course, I think that Harry will return to school, so that may be affecting my opinion. But I could see him helping harry in some minor way, holding some piece of information, maybe about a chamber, but maybe about some incident he observed. Who knows?

Wouldn't that be the ultimate gift -- for this frustrated man as well as his victims. Most of his unpleasantness stems from his inferiority complex, which in turn is caused by his inability to perform magic.

If he were suddenly to discover magic this late in life, all his frustrations would disappear, and he would enter a new life. That would be so wonderful.

You know, I rather think there is a big chance that he will be the one. It so fits with the way that Jo Rowling treats her characters.

yes, i agree. i dont think he's working for voldy but he could, because kreacher,a little house elf, was spying so filch could too.....but i dont think he is....i also think he is, the one.

Filch may well do magic because he is a squib and it would make sense. Also if he did would it be for good, to help Harry or bad to help Voldemort, that really depends on whos side he is on.

Like I said earlier I dont believe Filch is a death eater because it wouldnt fit with him being nonmagical and Voldemort had Snape as a spy in Hogwarts (if Snape is bad). I dont see him having any need for Filch, the only way he could be useful is if he was put under the imperius curse to help Malfoy or Snape.

I think filch is probly a death eater. I mean he does go around hogwarts and he could know more secret chambers or rooms. But i don't think he could be helping Voldemort because why would Voldemort want help from someone who is a squib? That's what i don't get. so i think that if he knows more about hogwarts, he would be a big help to harry in the future.

so i don't think filch would be on Voldemorts side because he wouldn't want to be on someone's side if he could be killed.

Filch as a DE? Would LV let him? He is worse than the 'M' word. He cannot perform magic at all. He was and is probably used by the DEs like a house elf but never let in.

Filch is a little dim. He has no spark of inteligence. He is just a cruel old man becuase he is denied the one thing he wants. Could you imagine living at Hogwarts with a bunch of magical kids? Not able to defend yourself? Not able to fight back. Dependant on others to help all the time?

As to him being all seeing. I think that is more of him using Mrs. Norris. She is the one that is all seeing.

I think, like others, that he will be the one to show magic. It will change him.

hey, filch may be a squib, but kreacher ended up being a spy! and hes just a house elf! so anythings possible. for all we know, he may have given draco the idea to use the vanishing cabinet in the first place. his cat seems a little suspicious too. and hes always hated harry!

Yeah, he could be a spoiler. If he does magic 'late in life' then it will probably be important and I think it will change him. Kind of like Ebenezer Scrooge.

He has always hated Harry for what James did and for all the things Harry did too. Is there a student Filch likes?

Yeah I have been thinking about that, I always wanted to know why he was so mean and cruel, and how he favored snape soo much, but if he knew about that then wouldnt he have known about the chamber of secrets. A lot of people say that it is just because he is a squib but i think its something completley diffrent. ( also somehting i was thinking about if mrs.norris was an animagus that couldnt change back?)

I thought she might be a kneazle like Crookshanks but no. JKR said on her site that Mrs Norris is just a regular, unpleasant but intelligent cat.

She, Mrs. Norris that is, knows where her food comes from and how to make him happy.

Thats an idea what if Mrs Norris is an animigus?
I don't think Filch is a DE because LV hates squibs remember in the CoS he went after filchs cat first, and when filch accused Harry he said being a squib was why HP had done it.

what if filch knows where the horcruxes are in hogwarts? that would certainly be a great help to harry, dont you think? i think harry might realize that and ask filch for help. who knows, he might even join their party!

Good point. I just reread the part of CoS where Harry is talking to Tom in the Chamber and Tom is talking about the M*******s and 'the Squib's cat' that he made the basilisk go after. He has no attachment and no need for Filch.



I don't think Filch is intelligent enough to know what a horcrux is, let alone find it and keep it a secret. He couldn't figure out the Mauraders Map and many of the other magical things. How could he handle one of the most powerful magical items.

Better yet, he has one or two and has no clue what they are.....

It think filch is cruel and mean to the kids because he can see everyone around him doing magic and he being the only one not able to defend himself against any insult.It would be wonderful if filch discovers magic later in life because then he might probably be helpful to harry. As for if voldemort uses him as a spy,I really don't think that voldemort will use him a a spy because he hates squibs. And Mrs.Norris is not at all an animagus because J K Rowling said so.

if filch does perform magic late in life, and if he did have to choose sides, i think hed choose harrys.
no matter how much filch may dislike him, dumbledore gave him a home, and with this new found happyness he may want to repay dumbledore.
although, he may choose to seek revenge, but i extremely doubt voldemort would have him.
although, maybe hell go after harry himself, to prove to voldemort that hes worthy, this poses an interesting thought..
now im confused.
but it makes sense doesnt it, if he could all of a sudden do magic
hed want to pay back everyone who ever made him clean for hours
and harry was certainly one of those people
if he went to voldemort, and if voldemort said no, he may want to do it by himself
he may not even go to LV in the first place.
makes sense.

Yeah I never thought of him being the one to perform magic!!
They never said whether or not he was a full squib, he could only be a half like Neville, or maybe less...
But him being a Death Eater?? No, I don't think so. Saying that Voldy let a Squib join his Death Eaters would be like me never reading Harry Potter again.

I don't think Filch is evil really, i mean, sure i absolutely loathe his guts. . .but i don't think he is evil. He just. . .doesn't like kids messing around. I think if he was a threat, Dumbledore would have gotten rid of him. . .

Although, JKR has said that there is something important about squibs and their cats or something to that effect.

I feel kinda bad for Filch, he has no friends except for his cat. . .it's depressing really.

Um, I think Argus Filch has no greater role in the series. There has to be an annoying bad guyish figure that's mildly good in the books. I think he's simply a form of entertainment for the reader. After all, would Harry's night-time adventures be as much fun if there wasn't someone out to catch them?

To be truthful, I never really pay much about him. I dont think that JK Rowling does either. But, come to think of it, Flitch is always there. Even if all he is doing is petting his cat. But Lavender Brown was also just there and then she was going out with "Won-Won." Maybe it will be something along the lines of that. But then again, most of the professors were also just there, and still are just there. So, he may be a just there character. Or, he may end up doing something that makes everyone love or hate him, depending on their side of the war. Who really knows until the book comes out? Well, that is besides JK Rowling and the publishers.

well, i for one have definetly payed attention to him throughout the books. JK might've wanted him to be left in the shadows and then bring him out into the limelight when we least expect it in the 7th book. he knows the castle and has been there like, as long as i could think. But there must be a reason why Dd hired him, why, by now, he didn't get rid of Argus, why Argus is so addicted to that cat of his! He is one of the most mysterious people in the books, and we might find more about him than we think.

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I see it as since Fred and George claim to have gotten the marauders map from Filch's office, maybe, just maybe, he was able to figure out a way to duplicate it? (even though he is a squib..) or maybe he convinced DD that it was a good idea to have a second one? Im not sure.. its just a thought. what you think?

it would be great if Filch performed magic in his later life

In another thread it talked about Filch and I said that Filch may not have been a squib but a muggle

It was when Harry said to Hermione about Filch and Madam Pince being in love.

Here was my theory

Snapes Mum and Dad were Madam Pince and Filch

We know Snapes Mum was a witch Prince/ Irma Pince = Im a Prince

Snapes Dad was a muggle

I think that Dumbledore brough Snapes Mum and Dad under his care when Snape came over to his side.

Filch preforming magic would be great. I think Snape would be proud of him

I agree with Loopy_Luna, I think there is a very good chance that Filch is Snape's father, and that he may be the one who performs magic at a later age, to protect an innocent Snape from the Order long enough for him to explain the plan that he had with DD and show his proof.

Madam Pince is definitely Snape's mother. I started a thread with all of the proofs. Since she likes Filch, and Filch is overbearing and violent like Tobias Snape was, it's possible. Both were listed as being non-magical (muggle vs. squib) and Filch helped Snape after he was bitten by Fluffy in SS. Snape could still be half blood on his father's side, even if Tobias is a squib as all he'd need is a muggle grandparent to be considered non-pureblood. And, he's still "half-Prince" no matter what.